ThreadBare said:

The disconnect results from an oversimplification. Certain black people have made Perry wildly successful. His market is church-going black people -- particularly church-going black women of a certain type. He casts with them in mind. His storylines cater to them.

To ascribe that financial support and target demographic to all black people misses that point. I've had a fairly consistent Perry boycott in place for many years, deviating only rarely and when on dates with -- you guessed it -- church-going black women who liked his movies.

None of that negates the fact that many other types of black-targeted or -driven movies have failed to garner the same kind of economic or crossover success. Nor does it negate the fact that he routinely is criticized by other blacks -- some of whom also attend church regularly.

It's not trying to have it both ways. It's just the complexity that results from concurrent realities.

i feel yah!

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http://en.wikipedia.org/w...s_Together

The Family That Preys is a 2008 American drama written, produced and directed by Tyler Perry. The screenplay, focuses on two families, one wealthy and the other working class, whose lives are intertwined in both love and business.

This is the second of four movies that Perry's signature character, Madea, does not make an appearance. It is also the second Perry-directed film (alongside Daddy's Little Girls) that is not based on any of the filmmaker's stage plays.

the movie reviewers gave "critical reception." one out of ten top reviews on this movie was somewhat positive.

as follows:

The New York Daily News rated the film three out of five stars and commented, "Perry's notoriously overstuffed plots have sometimes been top-heavy, but this movie, like Woody Allen's Hannah and Her Sisters, hangs on an elegant structure that doesn't feel forced. Perry's skills as a director have improved as his casts have gotten better, and he gives the lovely Woodard one of her most satisfying roles . . . By melding the pleasures of 1950s-style melodrama . . . with equal-gender, African-American-aimed plots, Perry has found success in a niche only he now occupies. And by adding Christian tenets and modern issues . . . Perry shows he knows what his audience wants. First and foremost, that's a smart, satisfying movie experience, which Family is."

for me, great acting, good story.

free2bfreeda said:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...s_Together

The Family That Preys is a 2008 American drama written, produced and directed by Tyler Perry. The screenplay, focuses on two families, one wealthy and the other working class, whose lives are intertwined in both love and business.

This is the second of four movies that Perry's signature character, Madea, does not make an appearance. It is also the second Perry-directed film (alongside Daddy's Little Girls) that is not based on any of the filmmaker's stage plays.

the movie reviewers gave "critical reception." one out of ten top reviews on this movie was somewhat positive.

as follows:

The New York Daily News rated the film three out of five stars and commented, "Perry's notoriously overstuffed plots have sometimes been top-heavy, but this movie, like Woody Allen's Hannah and Her Sisters, hangs on an elegant structure that doesn't feel forced. Perry's skills as a director have improved as his casts have gotten better, and he gives the lovely Woodard one of her most satisfying roles . . . By melding the pleasures of 1950s-style melodrama . . . with equal-gender, African-American-aimed plots, Perry has found success in a niche only he now occupies. And by adding Christian tenets and modern issues . . . Perry shows he knows what his audience wants. First and foremost, that's a smart, satisfying movie experience, which Family is."

for me, great acting, good story.

I loved this movie.

It was still formula, but in the heart-tugging good way.

Alfre is one of my favorite actresses of all time.

paintedlady said:

morningsong said:

Wouldn't she be classified as a woman of color or have a majority appeal to women of color which encircles a lot of different groups of people that don't necessarily classify themselves as black or white? That's what I'm thinking, Tyler's testing the water of the Armenians, Bangladeshians and all those other different types of folks not represented in Hollywood.

I think she's more of a flavor of the month as far as popularity.... a cash cow. I see Mr. Perry just jumping on the reality bandwagon to make a heap of money. They can say what they want to about Kim, she has a BRAND and its like putting a designer name on that movie to generate interest.

Donald Trump does the same thing with his celebrity apprentice show. For example, he added the likes of Nene Leaks and Latoya Jackson for a ratings win.

Donald Trump of all people.

Tyler has used brand names for most if not all his movies, why wouldn't he do the same targeting a different demographic. A whole lotta young girls when they look in the mirror see more of themselves in Kim (and her sisters) than they do in other spoiled, pampered, not a care in the world, rich girl characters they normally see on the screen.

Now, is Tyler going to be hovering over Kim like he was over Janet? I use to think he was trying his best to hook up with her, now she's bounched off to that arabian billionare of hers, I just wonder.

More nonsense 4 the masses 2 consume.

bboy87 said:

nursev said:

Layzie said: We don't hate her-we just know a ho when we see one.

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OMG! Y you desecratin' my woulda-shoulda-coulda been baby daddy 2Pac by putting him in this KimKardashianStillAHoEvenThoMadeaOnHerDick thread?

I can't imagine her falsified booty being on the big screen in any role. Hell, this train has been rolling for so long that I guess she's up to try anything for a buck. Bless her heart. Tyler is a fool, though. Real-life harlots in a movie with Christian (assuming this part) overtones is an interesting li'l twist.

Won't be paying to see it though. The bootleg man will come a callin'.

LadyLuvSexxy said:

I can't imagine her falsified booty being on the big screen in any role. Hell, this train has been rolling for so long that I guess she's up to try anything for a buck. Bless her heart. Tyler is a fool, though. Real-life harlots in a movie with Christian (assuming this part) overtones is an interesting li'l twist.

Won't be paying to see it though. The bootleg man will come a callin'.

AND

fuck, i thought the men were supposed to be the villains in his films?...

I am not ashamed to admit that I have never watched her show. I have no interest in rich, no-class hoes.

ThreadBare said:

johnart said:

A whole lotta folk have accused MR. Perry of coonery. It's not just your statement. Here and all over other sites.

My confusion is that if he's gained his popularity (as a man in a dress, for the most part) by the support of HIS people and not white folk, then doesn't that imply that black folk only like to see a black man in a dress on the screen as well? If his community has the power to catapult him to the star he is today then surely it also has the power to bring other films/actors/writers/directors/producers to great success.
It's not a tough pill to swallow at all. The statement doesn't come off as racist to me, just un-even and disjointed. You can't have it both ways. Black people made Tyler who he is...but other projects don't do as well because white people don't wanna see strong black men on film?

The disconnect results from an oversimplification. Certain black people have made Perry wildly successful. His market is church-going black people -- particularly church-going black women of a certain type. He casts with them in mind. His storylines cater to them.

To ascribe that financial support and target demographic to all black people misses that point. I've had a fairly consistent Perry boycott in place for many years, deviating only rarely and when on dates with -- you guessed it -- church-going black women who liked his movies.

None of that negates the fact that many other types of black-targeted or -driven movies have failed to garner the same kind of economic or crossover success. Nor does it negate the fact that he routinely is criticized by other blacks -- some of whom also attend church regularly.

It's not trying to have it both ways. It's just the complexity that results from concurrent realities.

Agree with bolded parts of your post. It was definitely a segment of the population of Blacks, as you described--that supported Tyler since the early days of his career putting the movies,(church-going Blacks, primarily those close or within the southern bible belts, as well as outside of the bible belts). They related to many of his plays (all of which movies have been made of them), because he's pretty much always injected religion/gospel/spiritual messages in his movies, someting that target, church-going market can relate to. My co-worker, who is very much into the church, has been a supporter of the early days of Tyler's career, and she has all the videos of his earlier plays which I've stated he's made all into movies, based on the "Madea" character. I'd like to see the day the "Madea" character calls it quits.

Tyler is at a place in his career, where he could tell various stories of Black life experiences, especially since we all don't live or believe in the same things, as a whole. I would like to see him make some classics or more dramatic films, etc., about Blacks, if that's where his focus is going to be, but I would also like to see what other creative skills he has beyond that.

I know many Blacks who do not support his 'coonery' although they still have respect for him. Would just like to see him make more movies, without every one of them having a church scene, hallelujahs, and 10,000 "Madea" followup movies.

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HotGritz said:

Those ATL men will be tripping over their dicks when this big-booty rich bitch comes rolling through.

I just want to know two things:

How much is Tyler paying her?

Will she have a love interest in the film, and if so, who?

as far as kim kardashian goes, i'd like to see her play this role:

Susan Kohner as Sarah Jane
in a remake of Imitation of Life (1959)

Maybe Tyler Perry could give this some directorial justice. He could cast

Taraji P. Henson as Annie, Sarah Jane's Mother.

i'm thinking Kim Kardashian could pass as a very light skinned african american.

Imitation of Life

synopsis:

a struggling white widow with plans to become a famous Broadway actress, loses track of her young daughter Suzie at the beach, and requests the help of a stranger (fledgling photographer) named Steve Archer to help her find the girl.

Suzie is found and looked after by Annie Johnson, a black widow with a daughter, Sarah Jane, who is about Suzie's age and, unlike her mother, is so very light-skinned that she can passfor white, which she does with fierce zeal and fervor.

Sarah Jane is in a constant state of turmoil over her identity and steadfastly wants to pass for white. Sarah Jane's anger at being black translates into animosity towards her long-suffering mother.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...(1959_film)

2elijah said:

ThreadBare said:

The disconnect results from an oversimplification. Certain black people have made Perry wildly successful. His market is church-going black people -- particularly church-going black women of a certain type. He casts with them in mind. His storylines cater to them.

To ascribe that financial support and target demographic to all black people misses that point. I've had a fairly consistent Perry boycott in place for many years, deviating only rarely and when on dates with -- you guessed it -- church-going black women who liked his movies.

None of that negates the fact that many other types of black-targeted or -driven movies have failed to garner the same kind of economic or crossover success. Nor does it negate the fact that he routinely is criticized by other blacks -- some of whom also attend church regularly.

It's not trying to have it both ways. It's just the complexity that results from concurrent realities.

Agree with bolded parts of your post. It was definitely a segment of the population of Blacks, as you described--that supported Tyler since the early days of his career putting the movies,(church-going Blacks, primarily those close or within the southern bible belts, as well as outside of the bible belts). They related to many of his plays (all of which movies have been made of them), because he's pretty much always injected religion/gospel/spiritual messages in his movies, someting that target, church-going market can relate to. My co-worker, who is very much into the church, has been a supporter of the early days of Tyler's career, and she has all the videos of his earlier plays which I've stated he's made all into movies, based on the "Madea" character. I'd like to see the day the "Madea" character calls it quits.

Tyler is at a place in his career, where he could tell various stories of Black life experiences, especially since we all don't live or believe in the same things, as a whole. I would like to see him make some classics or more dramatic films, etc., about Blacks, if that's where his focus is going to be, but I would also like to see what other creative skills he has beyond that.

I know many Blacks who do not support his 'coonery' although they still have respect for him. Would just like to see him make more movies, without every one of them having a church scene, hallelujahs, and 10,000 "Madea" followup movies.

[Edited 10/27/11 20:05pm]

Oh, indeed.

It'll be a happy day...

LadyLuvSexxy said:

I can't imagine her falsified booty being on the big screen in any role. Hell, this train has been rolling for so long that I guess she's up to try anything for a buck. Bless her heart. Tyler is a fool, though. Real-life harlots in a movie with Christian (assuming this part) overtones is an interesting li'l twist.

Won't be paying to see it though. The bootleg man will come a callin'.

Well, I would look at her sisters and mother, then wondered why they're not shaped like her

LadyLuvSexxy said:

Real-life harlots in a movie with Christian (assuming this part) overtones is an interesting li'l twist.

Won't be paying to see it though. The bootleg man will come a callin'.

Too many layers of truth and wrong

angel345 said:

LadyLuvSexxy said:

I can't imagine her falsified booty being on the big screen in any role. Hell, this train has been rolling for so long that I guess she's up to try anything for a buck. Bless her heart. Tyler is a fool, though. Real-life harlots in a movie with Christian (assuming this part) overtones is an interesting li'l twist.

Won't be paying to see it though. The bootleg man will come a callin'.

Well, I would look at her sisters and mother, then wondered why they're not shaped like her

I'm glad you said it!

The girl has been enhanced and she is falsified like a mug but I aint mad at her. Do whatcha gotta do to get at that rich baller dick.

Anyway, both Kris Jenner and Kourtney have breast implants (they've admitted it on their show) and Khloe has small to average sized boobs. So why is Kim K claiming she's natural and had double Ds in the 5th grade?

All the Kardashian women got booty but Kim K got extra donk! She says she doesn't have butt implants and I believe her because that is not a common nor recommended surgery. What's common are injections and butt lifts to give you a rounder and fuller donk. Funny thing is, she's never even been asked about injections and the implant rumor was put out by HER camp, presumably to throw people off from guessing about alternatives to getting a black girl booty.

Also, she had a nose job and she wears a weave.

I don't fault anybody for trying to improve upon their looks, within reason, but it makes no sense to lie about it.

HotGritz said:

angel345 said:

Well, I would look at her sisters and mother, then wondered why they're not shaped like her

I'm glad you said it!

The girl has been enhanced and she is falsified like a mug but I aint mad at her. Do whatcha gotta do to get at that rich baller dick.

Anyway, both Kris Jenner and Kourtney have breast implants (they've admitted it on their show) and Khloe has small to average sized boobs. So why is Kim K claiming she's natural and had double Ds in the 5th grade?

All the Kardashian women got booty but Kim K got extra donk! She says she doesn't have butt implants and I believe her because that is not a common nor recommended surgery. What's common are injections and butt lifts to give you a rounder and fuller donk. Funny thing is, she's never even been asked about injections and the implant rumor was put out by HER camp, presumably to throw people off from guessing about alternatives to getting a black girl booty.

Also, she had a nose job and she wears a weave.

I don't fault anybody for trying to improve upon their looks, within reason, but it makes no sense to lie about it.

Yeah, she denies the butt implants all of the time Did she really said that she was a double D in the fifth grade?

^ she sho nuff did wit her lyin' ass.

HotGritz said:

^ she sho nuff did wit her lyin' ass.

angel345 said:

Yeah, she denies the butt implants all of the time Did she really said that she was a double D in the fifth grade?

Kim Kardashian In High School

uhhhh? double "d" i don't think so. the mammary glands are enhanced in a major silicon way. well, now that i see the nose, i'm all yup she's been under the knife.

oh well, sometimes i wonder if i got extremely wealthy would i update, enhance or modify my face and/or body. hollywood makes physical and facial looks such a priority to reaching fame, especially for women.

free2bfreeda said:

angel345 said:

Yeah, she denies the butt implants all of the time Did she really said that she was a double D in the fifth grade?

Kim Kardashian In High School

uhhhh? double "d" i don't think so. the mammary glands are enhanced in a major silicon way. well, now that i see the nose, i'm all yup she's been under the knife.

oh well, sometimes i wonder if i got extremely wealthy would i update, enhance or modify my face and/or body. hollywood makes physical and facial looks such a priority to reaching fame, especially for women.

I'd get a booty pop job in a hot minute! I loves a big ole badonkadonk!!!!! I don't want Kim K's ass cuz it looks lopsided sometimes but I'll take Nicki Minaj's ass with a side of whip cream TYVM!

free2bfreeda said:

angel345 said:

Yeah, she denies the butt implants all of the time Did she really said that she was a double D in the fifth grade?

Kim Kardashian In High School

uhhhh? double "d" i don't think so. the mammary glands are enhanced in a major silicon way. well, now that i see the nose, i'm all yup she's been under the knife.

oh well, sometimes i wonder if i got extremely wealthy would i update, enhance or modify my face and/or body. hollywood makes physical and facial looks such a priority to reaching fame, especially for women.

A 'B' maybe, not double D's . Talent does seem to be the bi-product to reaching fame, nowadays.

Layzie said:

free2bfreeda said:

perhaps better stated and less of a generalized statement , "most blacks aren't exactly a huge chunk of the k. k. etc.

as far as i can can recall, no one asked me what i think of K. Kardashian. i'd like (the ) to decide for myself on individual opinions and not be grouped or embedded into someone else's hypothetical conclusion.

i feel that's fair enough

[Edited 10/25/11 15:34pm]

The fuck? Is it really that serious? And if you were to throw out the semantics, isn't that what I basically said?

Actually, from a semantic point of view, Layzie would still be more correct. If the point is to say that the Kardashian fanbase doesn't have a large Black presence, you would have to look at it from the perspective of the fanbase itself, not from the perspective of the Black population.

If they averaged 10 million viewers and 250,000 were black, most would say that Blacks aren't a huge chunk of the Kardashian fanbase (which I believe is what Layzie is getting at). To say "Most Blacks aren't..." would be kind of silly, because unless more than 50% of any demographic is a part of any one fanbase (which has probably never happened in the planet) then the statement is always true and doesn't even require consideration. It's not a generalization about Black people, it's a simple statement/assumption (since nobody broke out the Kardashian fan ethnicity pie chart) about the makeup of KK's fans.

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FauxReal said:

Layzie said:

The fuck? Is it really that serious? And if you were to throw out the semantics, isn't that what I basically said?

Actually, from a semantic point of view, Layzie would still be more correct. If the point is to say that the Kardashian fanbase doesn't have a large Black presence, you would have to look at it from the perspective of the fanbase itself, not from the perspective of the Black population.

If they averaged 10 million viewers and 250,000 were black, most would say that Blacks aren't a huge chunk of the Kardashian fanbase (which I believe is what Layzie is getting at). To say "Most Blacks aren't..." would be kind of silly, because unless more than 50% of any demographic is a part of any one fanbase (which has probably never happened in the planet) then the statement is always true and doesn't even require consideration. It's not a generalization about Black people, it's a simple statement/assumption (since nobody broke out the Kardashian fan ethnicity pie chart) about the makeup of KK's fans.

[Edited 10/28/11 17:18pm]

So technically, we don't know then.

FauxReal said:

Layzie said:

The fuck? Is it really that serious? And if you were to throw out the semantics, isn't that what I basically said?

Actually, from a semantic point of view, Layzie would still be more correct. If the point is to say that the Kardashian fanbase doesn't have a large Black presence, you would have to look at it from the perspective of the fanbase itself, not from the perspective of the Black population.

If they averaged 10 million viewers and 250,000 were black, most would say that Blacks aren't a huge chunk of the Kardashian fanbase (which I believe is what Layzie is getting at). To say "Most Blacks aren't..." would be kind of silly, because unless more than 50% of any demographic is a part of any one fanbase (which has probably never happened in the planet) then the statement is always true and doesn't even require consideration. It's not a generalization about Black people, it's a simple statement/assumption (since nobody broke out the Kardashian fan ethnicity pie chart) about the makeup of KK's fans.

[Edited 10/28/11 17:18pm]

unless it's 100% it cannot and will not be "all" blacks. once again no one has approached me or any of my friends regarding kim kardashian. who elected anyone to speak for me and put me into some opinionated (obvious non-majority) concensus. and as far as assumptions go you know what the sages of past say:

"Never assume, you'll just make and ass out of you and (but not) me."

q. could say one say whites support the tea party. or all asians like jackie chan?

imo, it's a total exaggeration and a stretch of the facts to pigeon hole a small percentage of a racial group to represent all.

i'm going agree to disagree