morningsong said:

I remember this news footage I saw a few years ago, in some country, I forget, where a mob of dozens and dozens of men, perhaps a hundred or more, stoning this little bitty woman to death for prostitution. All I could think about was how many of those men probably begged, borrowed and stole just to screw her and now they are perfectly willing to kill her for it.

Thats sad and so very wrong.....Sometimes men get on my fucking nerves....

Many prostitutes in Amsterdam, where I live, are hot as fuck. However, As Dewrede pointed out, most people now acknowledge that many of these woman are somehow forced, even if prostitution is legal in the Netherlands. Officials thought all the 'illegal elements' would leave the sex industry when they legalized prostitution, but no such luck.

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davetherave6767 said:

XxAxX said:

imo prostitution should be legalized and regulated so the 'tutes can access health care.

Starting with a trip 2 a dentist...

doctor, immunologist, psychologist, etc

Well, if it was legal and regulated then you could eliminate or greatly reduce human trafficking, child prostitutes, pimps, STDS and the states would have another source of revenue. Tax those hookers!

I wonder what the statewide average for a blow job would be and if you would have advertising wars amongst the whore houses.

HotGritz said:

Well, if it was legal and regulated then you could eliminate or greatly reduce human trafficking, child prostitutes, pimps, STDS and the states would have another source of revenue. Tax those hookers!

I wonder what the statewide average for a blow job would be and if you would have advertising wars amongst the whore houses.

Yes, they thought this in the Netherlands when they legalized prostitution, but unfortunately the problems you mentioned are still very common

XxAxX said:

davetherave6767 said:

Starting with a trip 2 a dentist...

doctor, immunologist, psychologist, etc

Eye could do with a psychologist so we`ll let that 1 slide...

hendrikus said:

HotGritz said:

Well, if it was legal and regulated then you could eliminate or greatly reduce human trafficking, child prostitutes, pimps, STDS and the states would have another source of revenue. Tax those hookers!

I wonder what the statewide average for a blow job would be and if you would have advertising wars amongst the whore houses.

Yes, they thought this in the Netherlands when they legalized prostitution, but unfortunately the problems you mentioned are still very common

In that case, it should remain illegal. Wow. If a nation can't find a silver lining in the world's oldest profession then you know things are pretty fucked up.

HotGritz said:

Well, if it was legal and regulated then you could eliminate or greatly reduce human trafficking, child prostitutes, pimps, STDS and the states would have another source of revenue. Tax those hookers!

I wonder what the statewide average for a blow job would be and if you would have advertising wars amongst the whore houses.

HotGritz said:

hendrikus said:

Yes, they thought this in the Netherlands when they legalized prostitution, but unfortunately the problems you mentioned are still very common

In that case, it should remain illegal. Wow. If a nation can't find a silver lining in the world's oldest profession then you know things are pretty fucked up.

I should add: data are hard to come buy with respect to these kinds of professions, and I have not heard much about child prostitution and STD'S. STDS are not much of a problem I think (once I took a test in Amsterdam and was surrounded by hookers. It could be they have regular check ups). Amsterdam goverment officials have however repeatedly stated that human trafficking and pimps are still a big problem (and many cab drivers can tell you horror stories).

hendrikus said:

HotGritz said:

In that case, it should remain illegal. Wow. If a nation can't find a silver lining in the world's oldest profession then you know things are pretty fucked up.

I should add: data are hard to come buy with respect to these kinds of professions, and I have not heard much about child prostitution and STD'S. STDS are not much of a problem I think (once I took a test in Amsterdam and was surrounded by hookers. It could be they have regular check ups). Amsterdam goverment officials have however repeatedly stated that human trafficking and pimps are still a big problem (and many cab drivers can tell you horror stories).

In a nation that legalizes prostitution, one can only surmize that human trafficking and pimps exists because there are um....customers...who have unusual and very imoral tastes. Meaning, they want to fuck kids or beat the crap out of someone or run trains on people. Pathetic.

HotGritz said:

hendrikus said:

I should add: data are hard to come buy with respect to these kinds of professions, and I have not heard much about child prostitution and STD'S. STDS are not much of a problem I think (once I took a test in Amsterdam and was surrounded by hookers. It could be they have regular check ups). Amsterdam goverment officials have however repeatedly stated that human trafficking and pimps are still a big problem (and many cab drivers can tell you horror stories).

In a nation that legalizes prostitution, one can only surmize that human trafficking and pimps exists because there are um....customers...who have unusual and very imoral tastes. Meaning, they want to fuck kids or beat the crap out of someone or run trains on people. Pathetic.

This could very well be partly true. However, I think the system in general (including people with 'normal' sexual tastes: the 'regular' customers, for example contingents of tourists visiting prostitutes) also facilitates types of human trafficking.

For example, girls from eastern-european countries are somehow forced to work here by criminals with connections here. They live here for a couple of months, work, are transported to the windows by cabs and their pimps, and then move back to eastern europe. The custumors using these girls need not know they are forced (although they should make an effort and imo not visit prostitutes at all). Unfortunately, these girls dont tell anybody out of fear.

hendrikus said:

HotGritz said:

In a nation that legalizes prostitution, one can only surmize that human trafficking and pimps exists because there are um....customers...who have unusual and very imoral tastes. Meaning, they want to fuck kids or beat the crap out of someone or run trains on people. Pathetic.

This could very well be partly true. However, I think the system in general (including people with 'normal' sexual tastes: the 'regular' customers, for example contingents of tourists visiting prostitutes) also facilitates types of human trafficking.

For example, girls from eastern-european countries are somehow forced to work here by criminals with connections here. They live here for a couple of months, work, are transported to the windows by cabs and their pimps, and then move back to eastern europe. The custumors using these girls need not know they are forced (although they should make an effort and imo not visit prostitutes at all). Unfortunately, these girls dont tell anybody out of fear.

So law enforcement can't raid these houses of ill repute and speak to the girls individually? Ask them how they came to be hookers, if they want to continue working at that particular establishment or offer them freedom and a return home or even a ticket to another country? I would think fear of arrest might work also. If the cops throw the girls in jail then perhaps they would report the pimps. What is the legal age of a hooker there? Legalizing teen prostitutes would definitely contribute to trafficking of kids.

Also, if the ho house itself is unspeakably filthy with hidden rooms or S&M weapons then maybe that's a sign that the hos are there against their will.

This reminds me of the fake ass war on drugs. People and governments could put it an end to it if they really wanted to but they don't because there's too much money to be made, and I'm not talking legal tender either.

HotGritz said:

hendrikus said:

This could very well be partly true. However, I think the system in general (including people with 'normal' sexual tastes: the 'regular' customers, for example contingents of tourists visiting prostitutes) also facilitates types of human trafficking.

For example, girls from eastern-european countries are somehow forced to work here by criminals with connections here. They live here for a couple of months, work, are transported to the windows by cabs and their pimps, and then move back to eastern europe. The custumors using these girls need not know they are forced (although they should make an effort and imo not visit prostitutes at all). Unfortunately, these girls dont tell anybody out of fear.

So law enforcement can't raid these houses of ill repute and speak to the girls individually? Ask them how they came to be hookers, if they want to continue working at that particular establishment or offer them freedom and a return home or even a ticket to another country? I would think fear of arrest might work also. If the cops throw the girls in jail then perhaps they would report the pimps. What is the legal age of a hooker there? Legalizing teen prostitutes would definitely contribute to trafficking of kids.

Also, if the ho house itself is unspeakably filthy with hidden rooms or S&M weapons then maybe that's a sign that the hos are there against their will.

This reminds me of the fake ass war on drugs. People and governments could put it an end to it if they really wanted to but they don't because there's too much money to be made, and I'm not talking legal tender either.

^that

HotGritz said:

hendrikus said:

This could very well be partly true. However, I think the system in general (including people with 'normal' sexual tastes: the 'regular' customers, for example contingents of tourists visiting prostitutes) also facilitates types of human trafficking.

For example, girls from eastern-european countries are somehow forced to work here by criminals with connections here. They live here for a couple of months, work, are transported to the windows by cabs and their pimps, and then move back to eastern europe. The custumors using these girls need not know they are forced (although they should make an effort and imo not visit prostitutes at all). Unfortunately, these girls dont tell anybody out of fear.

So law enforcement can't raid these houses of ill repute and speak to the girls individually? Ask them how they came to be hookers, if they want to continue working at that particular establishment or offer them freedom and a return home or even a ticket to another country? I would think fear of arrest might work also. If the cops throw the girls in jail then perhaps they would report the pimps. What is the legal age of a hooker there? Legalizing teen prostitutes would definitely contribute to trafficking of kids.

Also, if the ho house itself is unspeakably filthy with hidden rooms or S&M weapons then maybe that's a sign that the hos are there against their will.

This reminds me of the fake ass war on drugs. People and governments could put it an end to it if they really wanted to but they don't because there's too much money to be made, and I'm not talking legal tender either.

>This reminds me of the fake ass war on drugs. People and governments could put it an end to it if they really wanted to but they don't because there's too much money to be made, and I'm not talking legal tender either.

Again, you might be correct. Probabaly they are doing too little.

> So law enforcement can't raid these houses of ill repute and speak to the girls individually?

They claim they do, and also claim that girls who are there against their will are terribly uncooperative.

>Ask them how they came to be hookers, offer them freedom and a return home or even a ticket to another country

I think they do, but this could perhaps be a problem. The foreign girls here are not dutch, so they will have to go home to the country of their nationality. That was probably the place where they were picked up to do his kind of work by criminals. Also, in this country they dont know anybody and are very dependent on the wrong people. I think you need to be brave to step up to these people.

> What is the legal age of a hooker there? Legalizing teen prostitutes would definitely contribute to trafficking of kids.

This is illegal. You need to be (I think) 18 or 21 (not sure). This is checked very often. As I said, I do not know whether child prostitution is a big problem here.

>Also, if the ho house itself is unspeakably filthy with hidden rooms or S&M weapons then maybe that's a sign that the hos are there against their will.

Actually, they advertise that shit. But importantly: the owners of the house are almost always a third party. They are the (Dutch) owners of property who rent stuff. They also keep it clean, etc. These people are usually not criminal (you can questions their morals, but that is something else). The criminals, traffickers, etc., are the ones on the background.

But again: I agree with a lot that you are saying. They probably could do a lot more for these woman but a lot of financial motives play a role. Hords and hords of tourists visit amsterdam for this shit. My original point was simply that Legalizing by itself does not solve many problems.

HotGritz said:

I wonder what the statewide average for a blow job would be and if you would have advertising wars amongst the whore houses.

"Buh-ring it on down to COCKSUCKVILLLLE!"

I love them. I've always admired them and considered them as my role models. As for those bitches with the rotten teeth and raggedy ass clothes, that started when the crack era began. Before that, in the 1970s and early 1980s, those bitches dressed liked stars. These nasty bitches these days don't deserve the right to call themselves whores. That's why they're "ho's" these days instead of "whores".

vainandy said:

I love them. I've always admired them and considered them as my role models. As for those bitches with the rotten teeth and raggedy ass clothes, that started when the crack era began. Before that, in the 1970s and early 1980s, those bitches dressed liked stars. These nasty bitches these days don't deserve the right to call themselves whores. That's why they're "ho's" these days instead of "whores".

Okay thanks for clearing that up.

I'm pretty sure them crack whores always been around. We were just

too young and naive playing with our GI Joes and Rock Em Sock Ems

too acknowledge it.

phunkdaddy said:

vainandy said:

I love them. I've always admired them and considered them as my role models. As for those bitches with the rotten teeth and raggedy ass clothes, that started when the crack era began. Before that, in the 1970s and early 1980s, those bitches dressed liked stars. These nasty bitches these days don't deserve the right to call themselves whores. That's why they're "ho's" these days instead of "whores".

Okay thanks for clearing that up.

I'm pretty sure them crack whores always been around. We were just

too young and naive playing with our GI Joes and Rock Em Sock Ems

too acknowledge it.

When I think of prostitutes, I always think of those on the inside cover of Donna Summer's "Bad Girls" album and those on the back cover of Rick James' "Street Songs" album. Also, the hookers in the movies and TV shows back in the day. We used to have some that looked and dressed like that back in the day down on the ho stroll. Not these days though. These bitches these days are looking rough.

Also, it's a different day and age now. Now there are strip clubs and the internet where those whores work it. They don't have to stand on the streets anymore. The only ones left on the streets are the nasty looking ones.

It's not going to go away...so legalize and regulate it.

PurpleJedi said:

It's not going to go away...so legalize and regulate it.

If it was legalized do u think u would see a brothel in the high street with harrods on 1 side and Selfridges on the other.... ...Or would they b in some building out in the middle of no where???

davetherave6767 said:

PurpleJedi said:

It's not going to go away...so legalize and regulate it.

If it was legalized do u think u would see a brothel in the high street with harrods on 1 side and Selfridges on the other.... ...Or would they b in some building out in the middle of no where???

In Amsterdam it is an adult disneyland theme park, isolated from the rest of the city, though right in the city centre and close to everything, basically busy 24 hours, weed, beer, clubs, stripjoints, xrated movies, etc. etc. Its really a quite remarkable phenomenon.

hendrikus said:

davetherave6767 said:

If it was legalized do u think u would see a brothel in the high street with harrods on 1 side and Selfridges on the other.... ...Or would they b in some building out in the middle of no where???

In Amsterdam it is an adult disneyland theme park, isolated from the rest of the city, though right in the city centre and close to everything, basically busy 24 hours, weed, beer, clubs, stripjoints, xrated movies, etc. etc. Its really a quite remarkable phenomenon.

Its so strange......Eye love porn love beer love women but id hate 2 go 2 a place like that....

davetherave6767 said:

hendrikus said:

In Amsterdam it is an adult disneyland theme park, isolated from the rest of the city, though right in the city centre and close to everything, basically busy 24 hours, weed, beer, clubs, stripjoints, xrated movies, etc. etc. Its really a quite remarkable phenomenon.

Its so strange......Eye love porn love beer love women but id hate 2 go 2 a place like that....

Yes, it's a bit perverse. As I said above, many of these woman are forced (or at least hate their job). Yet they entice man, the streets are incredibly crowded, there's clubs everywhere, tourists everywhere, etc.

XxAxX said:

imo prostitution should be legalized and regulated so the 'tutes can access health care.

Good answer.

But I also want prostitution legalized so the pimps AND whores can pay their income AND property taxes!

And when I say "whores", this does include escorts of all genders and human sexualities. The pimps should also pay within the same tax bracket as big business owners do.

davetherave6767 said:

morningsong said:

I remember this news footage I saw a few years ago, in some country, I forget, where a mob of dozens and dozens of men, perhaps a hundred or more, stoning this little bitty woman to death for prostitution. All I could think about was how many of those men probably begged, borrowed and stole just to screw her and now they are perfectly willing to kill her for it.

Thats sad and so very wrong.....Sometimes men get on my fucking nerves....

It was shocking and it'll stick with me forever.

I don't believe it's really possible to effectively regulate the basic human appetite. There aren't enough taxes in the world to pay for that kind of regulation on a large scale, in small pockets maybe, but this is America, nothing that makes major money is going to be done small or by a handful of specialized people, at least that's what I believe.

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

purplethunder3121 said:

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

OFF-TOPIC: John 7:53-8:11 is a forgery, meaning THAT verse was never in the original Hebrew OR Greek manuscripts of the New Testament canon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_and_the_woman_taken_in_adultery

BACK ON TOPIC: But all of that aside, I think you strongly agree that prostitution should be legalize.

TonyVanDam said:

purplethunder3121 said:

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

OFF-TOPIC: John 7:53-8:11 is a forgery, meaning THAT verse was never in the original Hebrew OR Greek manuscripts of the New Testament canon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_and_the_woman_taken_in_adultery

BACK ON TOPIC: But all of that aside, I think you strongly agree that prostitution should be legalize.

Dont start me off on scripture please.......Even jesus loved a protitute.....

davetherave6767 said:

TonyVanDam said:

OFF-TOPIC: John 7:53-8:11 is a forgery, meaning THAT verse was never in the original Hebrew OR Greek manuscripts of the New Testament canon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_and_the_woman_taken_in_adultery

BACK ON TOPIC: But all of that aside, I think you strongly agree that prostitution should be legalize.

Dont start me off on scripture please.......Even jesus loved a protitute.....

Was she really a prostitute? I mean if we're talking fake biblical verses....

Anyway, its kind of sad that people feel they have to sell their bodies to make money and sad that there are people willing to kidnap, abuse and force others into selling their bodies. I mean if you believe in the business of prostitution then get out there and sell your own dick/twat don't force someone to do it for you.

I blame the tooth fairy. Twas the tooth fairy that taught us all to sell our body parts for money.

purplethunder3121 said:

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

After viewing that video, I'd say those words were chosen very wisely.

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