SquirrelMeat said:

HotGritz said:

I mentioned this on Twitter when so many were voicing their disapproval of Bill Gates trending on the same day Steve died. I swear I had no idea so many people disliked Bill. Bill and Steve were actually friends. Bill wouldnt' have given that $150 mill up to just any ole body.

Yeah, it will be interesting to see the reaction when Bill dies. Both Bill and Steve helped transform an industry, but Bill brought about a planetary shift. Couple with his charity work and he is a cut above.

But he doesn't have the cool factor and his legacy will probably be played down.

Often I think Steve is John Lennon to Bill's Paul McCartney.

People love John Lennon, and view him as a visionary, but Paul McCartney was actually the better musician and songwriter, as well as the driving force behind the last four great albums.

well, you basically have the entire history of computers wrong.

Microsoft got their start selling basic for early personal computers. Smart idea, right - create a programming language for early computers. Only they didn't created it. Bill Gates ported an exisitng implementation fo basic that he did not write to those computers. How did people find out? It was a faithful port down to the exact same bugs. He built a decent business selling that basic.

Then IBM came calling. They were anxious to get into the personal computer market. They had a two pronged plan. The first release would use off the shelf parts and license and OS, they'd follow that up with their own design and their own OS. So they went to Microsoft to license Basic and asked Bill Gates if they also had an OS they could license them. Bill Gates lied, said they did, worked out a license, then he went out and bought an OS for next to nothing from somene he knew who was actually building one. That's where DOS came from.

Steve Jobs has 317 patents, Bill Gates has 9, and you want to call Bill Gates the innovator?

http://www.nytimes.com/in...ts.html?hp

[Edited 10/7/11 16:40pm]

^^^I don't think he called either one "innovator" but he called Jobs "visionary" and compared Gates to the more successful Beatle.

sunflower7 said:

Saw this cartoon... and thought it was cute..

( if u click on the pic.. it will get larger)

[Edited 10/6/11 10:55am]

This is very cute.

What I noticed is that he was difficult to work with. Strangely this makes me happy because sometimes getting things done, keeping the ball rolling and the wheel turning means being difficult. I am beginning to believe that when we totally suppress that side to ourselves and "keep the peace" we also suppress our creativity. He let nothing stand in the way of his dream/vision.

Thanks Mr Jobs for leaving behind a life that I can reflect on and learn from for many years to come.

Deadflow3r said:

sunflower7 said:

Saw this cartoon... and thought it was cute..

( if u click on the pic.. it will get larger)

[Edited 10/6/11 10:55am]

This is very cute.

What I noticed is that he was difficult to work with. Strangely this makes me happy because sometimes getting things done, keeping the ball rolling and the wheel turning means being difficult. I am beginning to believe that when we totally suppress that side to ourselves and "keep the peace" we also suppress our creativity. He let nothing stand in the way of his dream/vision.

Thanks Mr Jobs for leaving behind a life that I can reflect on and learn from for many years to come.

... it's not personal.. it's just business..

SquirrelMeat said:

HotGritz said:

I mentioned this on Twitter when so many were voicing their disapproval of Bill Gates trending on the same day Steve died. I swear I had no idea so many people disliked Bill. Bill and Steve were actually friends. Bill wouldnt' have given that $150 mill up to just any ole body.

Yeah, it will be interesting to see the reaction when Bill dies. Both Bill and Steve helped transform an industry, but Bill brought about a planetary shift. Couple with his charity work and he is a cut above.

But he doesn't have the cool factor and his legacy will probably be played down.

Often I think Steve is John Lennon to Bill's Paul McCartney.

People love John Lennon, and view him as a visionary, but Paul McCartney was actually the better musician and songwriter, as well as the driving force behind the last four great albums.

BULL...

SHIT!

NDRU said:

^^^I don't think he called either one "innovator" but he called Jobs "visionary" and compared Gates to the more successful Beatle.

well, I'll call Steve Jobs an innovator then. Before Macintosh, computers looked like this

[img:$uid]http://www.vintagecomputer.net/ibm/5150/5150_A/sn0239462/thm_IBM-5150_sn0239462_screen-ROMver.JPG[/img:$uid]

The 1984 Macintosh looked like this - in one day the face of computers changed for the next 30+ years.

[img:$uid]http://www.maclife.com/files/u220903/MacPaint_screen_380px.jpg[/img:$uid]

what does the computer you use today, 27 years later, look more like?
Before iPhone, a smart phone looked like this.

[img:$uid]http://zapp5.staticworld.net/news/graphics/140584-PalmCentro.jpg[/img:$uid]

The very first iPhone looked like this

[img:$uid]http://www.iphonefreak.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/original_iphone_250.jpg[/img:$uid]

Does anyone even still release smart phones that don't look like an iPhone?

There's tons more. Was every idea or every bit of engineering Steve's? Of course not. But the Gestalt of what was released was pure Steve Jobs. These products simply wouldn't have been the same without him. I can only think of one other person who was as forward looking with computers - Alan Kay - who certainly influenced Steve Jobs. As brilliant as Alan Kay is, he never quite managed the part of shipping products to change the world.

My favorite Alan Kay quote. "The best way to predict the future is to invent it".

My favorite Steve Jobs quotes

1 - "The journey is the reward"

2 - "Real artists ship"

Steve Jobs – The Private Man Few Knew

October 7, 2011

Link

As Steve Jobs tells the story, the phone call was made in the middle of the night.

An unwed couple had put their child up for adoption. They wanted their baby raised by college graduates, so they arranged for the child to go to a lawyer and his wife.

But at the last minute, the potential adoptive couple had a change of heart. They wanted a girl. So the birth parents went to the next names on the waiting list, and dialed the phone.

This time, the people on the other end of the line said yes.

That's how Steve Jobs came to be adopted by working class Paul Jobs, a machinist, and wife Clara of San Francisco in the winter of 1955. The boy would grow up to become a technological visionary, immensely rich – worth an estimated $8.3 billion – powerful and admired.

Along the way Jobs, who died at age 56 on Wednesday after a long battle with pancreatic cancer, had a compelling personal story. Much of it was rarely discussed by the intensely private man and his faithful employees and confidantes.

There was the birth father who still yearns to have known his son; the failure to complete college; the LSD that opened his mind; the romance with Joan Baez; the novelist sister he only later knew; the daughter he once denied; and the sudden diagnosis that forced him to ponder his life and his imminent death.

Some of this he spoke of in his famous Stanford commencement address in 2005 – and some of it he never spoke of at all.

But even his most difficult personal experiences shaped the way Jobs did business and the way he felt, summed up by words he read in a mid-'70s publication called The Whole Earth Catalog: "Stay hungry, stay foolish."

"I have always wished that for myself," he told the Stanford students, "and now as you graduate to begin anew, I wish that for you."

An Adopted Son

His biological father was a Syrian political science professor named Abdulfattah John Jandali and his biological mother was student Joanne Carole Shieble (later Simpson). They met at the University of Wisconsin but didn't wed, Jandali said years later, because Joanne's father forbade her from marrying a Syrian.

At first, when Joanne found out that the Jobs couple didn't have college degrees – Paul Jobs had not even graduated from high school – she "refused to sign the final adoption papers," Steve Jobs told the Stanford graduates.

"She only relented a few months later when my parents promised that I would someday go to college," Jobs said.

The new family moved down to Los Altos, Calif., and Jobs grew up close to his adoptive dad. Once asked by the New York Times what he would want to pass onto his children, Jobs said, "Just to try to be as good a father to them as my father was to me. I think about that every day."

As an adult, Jobs eventually located his biological father. He also got another surprise: He had a sister, writer Mona Simpson.

The siblings would go on to build a relationship, and Jobs says he would call Simpson frequently. "My brother and I are very close," she once told the New York Times. "I admire him enormously."

And Jobs told the newspaper: "We're family. She's one of my best friends in the world."

A Father's Regrets

Not so for Jobs and Jandali, though. In August, after Jobs stepped down as Apple CEO due to his declining health, Jandali was unwilling to contact Jobs.

"Steve will have to do that, as the Syrian pride in me does not want him ever to think I am after his fortune," he told the New York Post.

"I'd be lying if I said it doesn't sadden me to have not been part of my son's incredible journey," he said. "What father wouldn't think that? And I would think that even if he was not the head of a hugely successful company."

This week, after news spread of Jobs's death, Jandali was approached by the Reno Gazette Journal, though he told his local newspaper, "I really don't have anything to say."

College and Calligraphy

True to his birth mother's wishes, Jobs went to college – the pricey, private liberal arts Reed College in Portland, Ore. – and "all of my working-class parents' savings were being spent" on tuition, he said during his Stanford address.

Not seeing the value in his education, Jobs dropped out after six months but continued to audit classes, sleeping on the floors of friends' dorms, redeeming 5-cent Coke bottle deposits for food money and getting Sunday meals at the Hare Krishna temple.

"It was pretty scary at the time," he told the Stanford grads, "but looking back it was one of the best decisions I ever made."

What he learned then in a calligraphy class paid off a decade later when designing the Macintosh computer; it inspired the machine's multiple typefaces, proportionately spaced fonts and beautiful typography.

For a time after dropping out, he plunged into the counter culture, once telling a reporter that taking LSD was one of the most important things he had done in his life, according to the New York Times.

He had a number of high-profile romances, including one with folk singer Joan Baez, who acknowledged him in her memoir And a Voice to Sing With, and Jobs reportedly went on a blind date with Diane Keaton.

A Daughter

Jobs's later relationship with Chrisann Brennan produced a daughter, Lisa, although for years he denied paternity, even saying in court papers that he was "sterile and infertile, and as result thereof, did not have the physical capacity to procreate a child."

"In California, my mother had raised me mostly alone," Lisa once told Vogue. "We didn't have many things, but she is warm and we were happy."

After Jobs eventually acknowledged that he was her father, she traveled alongside her father and lived with him for a few years.

"I saw another, more glamorous world," she told the magazine. "The two sides didn't mix, and I missed one when I had the other."

Jobs would later marry Laurene Powell in 1991 and have three more children.

"I've done a lot of things I'm not proud of," he said in a statement this year while promoting his authorized biography, "such as getting my girlfriend pregnant when I was 23 and the way I handled that."

His final personal ordeal came one morning in 2004 when a scan showed a tumor on his pancreas.

"The doctors told me this was almost certainly a type that is incurable, and that I should expect to live no longer than three to six months," Jobs told the Stanford grads in 2005.

In fact, he would live seven more years and see some of his biggest professional triumphs, including the introduction of the iPhone and the iPad.

"Your time is limited," he told the grads, "so don't waste it living someone else's life."

alandail said:

NDRU said:

^^^I don't think he called either one "innovator" but he called Jobs "visionary" and compared Gates to the more successful Beatle.

well, I'll call Steve Jobs an innovator then. Before Macintosh, computers looked like this

[img:$uid]http://www.vintagecomputer.net/ibm/5150/5150_A/sn0239462/thm_IBM-5150_sn0239462_screen-ROMver.JPG[/img:$uid]

The 1984 Macintosh looked like this - in one day the face of computers changed for the next 30+ years.

[img:$uid]http://www.maclife.com/files/u220903/MacPaint_screen_380px.jpg[/img:$uid]

what does the computer you use today, 27 years later, look more like?
Before iPhone, a smart phone looked like this.

[img:$uid]http://zapp5.staticworld.net/news/graphics/140584-PalmCentro.jpg[/img:$uid]

The very first iPhone looked like this

[img:$uid]http://www.iphonefreak.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/original_iphone_250.jpg[/img:$uid]

Does anyone even still release smart phones that don't look like an iPhone?

There's tons more. Was every idea or every bit of engineering Steve's? Of course not. But the Gestalt of what was released was pure Steve Jobs. These products simply wouldn't have been the same without him. I can only think of one other person who was as forward looking with computers - Alan Kay - who certainly influenced Steve Jobs. As brilliant as Alan Kay is, he never quite managed the part of shipping products to change the world.

My favorite Alan Kay quote. "The best way to predict the future is to invent it".

My favorite Steve Jobs quotes

1 - "The journey is the reward"

2 - "Real artists ship"

Thank you. I've been too busy to refute all those errors, so I appreciate you doing it.

Before Apple MP3 players looked like this:

[img:$uid]http://mikeschinkel.com/images/creative-technology.nomad-jukebox.jpg[/img:$uid]

The 2001 iPod looked like this:

[img:$uid]http://www.ipodrefresh.com/assets/images/original-ipod-category.jpg[/img:$uid]

Blazing fast FireWire instead of pokey USB 1.1 for transfers and vastly superior battery life in a much smaller (actually portable) package.

Not to mention Jobs being the person with enough clout and vision to convince all of the big record labels that a digital music store could work...

AlexdeParis said:

alandail said:

well, I'll call Steve Jobs an innovator then. Before Macintosh, computers looked like this

[img:$uid]http://www.vintagecomputer.net/ibm/5150/5150_A/sn0239462/thm_IBM-5150_sn0239462_screen-ROMver.JPG[/img:$uid]

The 1984 Macintosh looked like this - in one day the face of computers changed for the next 30+ years.

[img:$uid]http://www.maclife.com/files/u220903/MacPaint_screen_380px.jpg[/img:$uid]

what does the computer you use today, 27 years later, look more like?
Before iPhone, a smart phone looked like this.

[img:$uid]http://zapp5.staticworld.net/news/graphics/140584-PalmCentro.jpg[/img:$uid]

The very first iPhone looked like this

[img:$uid]http://www.iphonefreak.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/original_iphone_250.jpg[/img:$uid]

Does anyone even still release smart phones that don't look like an iPhone?

There's tons more. Was every idea or every bit of engineering Steve's? Of course not. But the Gestalt of what was released was pure Steve Jobs. These products simply wouldn't have been the same without him. I can only think of one other person who was as forward looking with computers - Alan Kay - who certainly influenced Steve Jobs. As brilliant as Alan Kay is, he never quite managed the part of shipping products to change the world.

My favorite Alan Kay quote. "The best way to predict the future is to invent it".

My favorite Steve Jobs quotes

1 - "The journey is the reward"

2 - "Real artists ship"

Thank you. I've been too busy to refute all those errors, so I appreciate you doing it.

Before Apple MP3 players looked like this:

[img:$uid]http://mikeschinkel.com/images/creative-technology.nomad-jukebox.jpg[/img:$uid]

The 2001 iPod looked like this:

[img:$uid]http://www.ipodrefresh.com/assets/images/original-ipod-category.jpg[/img:$uid]

Blazing fast FireWire instead of pokey USB 1.1 for transfers and vastly superior battery life in a much smaller (actually portable) package.

Not to mention Jobs being the person with enough clout and vision to convince all of the big record labels that a digital music store could work...

Wow that ipod brings me back.

iI saved up a whole bunch of money, and bought one second hand on ebay.

NOBODY had it.

I was the only guy at school who had one, people where still using CD players back then.

and I was so glad I didnt have to use one,

Never had to deal with skipping ever again

Thanks Steve!

alandail said:

NDRU said:

^^^I don't think he called either one "innovator" but he called Jobs "visionary" and compared Gates to the more successful Beatle.

well, I'll call Steve Jobs an innovator then. Before Macintosh, computers looked like this

[img:$uid]http://www.vintagecomputer.net/ibm/5150/5150_A/sn0239462/thm_IBM-5150_sn0239462_screen-ROMver.JPG[/img:$uid]

The 1984 Macintosh looked like this - in one day the face of computers changed for the next 30+ years.

[img:$uid]http://www.maclife.com/files/u220903/MacPaint_screen_380px.jpg[/img:$uid]

what does the computer you use today, 27 years later, look more like?
Before iPhone, a smart phone looked like this.

[img:$uid]http://zapp5.staticworld.net/news/graphics/140584-PalmCentro.jpg[/img:$uid]

The very first iPhone looked like this

[img:$uid]http://www.iphonefreak.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/original_iphone_250.jpg[/img:$uid]

Does anyone even still release smart phones that don't look like an iPhone?

There's tons more. Was every idea or every bit of engineering Steve's? Of course not. But the Gestalt of what was released was pure Steve Jobs. These products simply wouldn't have been the same without him. I can only think of one other person who was as forward looking with computers - Alan Kay - who certainly influenced Steve Jobs. As brilliant as Alan Kay is, he never quite managed the part of shipping products to change the world.

My favorite Alan Kay quote. "The best way to predict the future is to invent it".

My favorite Steve Jobs quotes

1 - "The journey is the reward"

2 - "Real artists ship"

Take the blinkers off.

Before apple graphic interfaces looked like this.

And as for the iphone????????

Well, 4 months before the iphone 1 came out, I was using this. It was touch screen and a great music player. Look familiar??

So much for apple innovation eh?

They are the same cowboys as microsoft. They just have the Cult of Mac clan believing their hype. Most people that defend Apple seem to know fuck all about technology, or when things came out.

HermesReborn said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Yeah, it will be interesting to see the reaction when Bill dies. Both Bill and Steve helped transform an industry, but Bill brought about a planetary shift. Couple with his charity work and he is a cut above.

But he doesn't have the cool factor and his legacy will probably be played down.

Often I think Steve is John Lennon to Bill's Paul McCartney.

People love John Lennon, and view him as a visionary, but Paul McCartney was actually the better musician and songwriter, as well as the driving force behind the last four great albums.

BULL...

SHIT!

Do tell.

Even JL admitted Paul taught him to be a better guitar player and he was frustrated a Pauls natural songwriting ablity.

Its common knowlegdge Sgt Pepper was Pauls project, as was Let it be, and finally Abbey Road.

Even George Martin credits PM as the driving force for the second half of the Beatles career. Arguably their golden era muscially.

alandail said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Yeah, it will be interesting to see the reaction when Bill dies. Both Bill and Steve helped transform an industry, but Bill brought about a planetary shift. Couple with his charity work and he is a cut above.

But he doesn't have the cool factor and his legacy will probably be played down.

Often I think Steve is John Lennon to Bill's Paul McCartney.

People love John Lennon, and view him as a visionary, but Paul McCartney was actually the better musician and songwriter, as well as the driving force behind the last four great albums.

well, you basically have the entire history of computers wrong.

Microsoft got their start selling basic for early personal computers. Smart idea, right - create a programming language for early computers. Only they didn't created it. Bill Gates ported an exisitng implementation fo basic that he did not write to those computers. How did people find out? It was a faithful port down to the exact same bugs. He built a decent business selling that basic.

Then IBM came calling. They were anxious to get into the personal computer market. They had a two pronged plan. The first release would use off the shelf parts and license and OS, they'd follow that up with their own design and their own OS. So they went to Microsoft to license Basic and asked Bill Gates if they also had an OS they could license them. Bill Gates lied, said they did, worked out a license, then he went out and bought an OS for next to nothing from somene he knew who was actually building one. That's where DOS came from.

Steve Jobs has 317 patents, Bill Gates has 9, and you want to call Bill Gates the innovator?

http://www.nytimes.com/in...ts.html?hp

[Edited 10/7/11 16:40pm]

I haven't got any history wrong. You've missed the most important part.

Your story starts 5 years too late. You need to go back to 75, long before Microsoft bought dos and sold it to IBM. Bill actually co-wrote Altair basic for the first real PC. He wrote the bootstraps too.

And of course, Bill's basic is also known as Applesoft, as it ran the Apple II.

Steve Jobs needed a version of basic and went to Bill, as he had no skills of his own. Bill was creating the software, Steve Wosniak was creating the hardware, and Steve jobs was selling.

I don't think Steve's role should be understated. He is a terrific manager and salesman, but the truth is, he spend half his career trying to push a product that never claimed more than 5% of its market. In "innovation" terms, thats a failure.

SquirrelMeat said:

alandail said:

well, you basically have the entire history of computers wrong.

Microsoft got their start selling basic for early personal computers. Smart idea, right - create a programming language for early computers. Only they didn't created it. Bill Gates ported an exisitng implementation fo basic that he did not write to those computers. How did people find out? It was a faithful port down to the exact same bugs. He built a decent business selling that basic.

Then IBM came calling. They were anxious to get into the personal computer market. They had a two pronged plan. The first release would use off the shelf parts and license and OS, they'd follow that up with their own design and their own OS. So they went to Microsoft to license Basic and asked Bill Gates if they also had an OS they could license them. Bill Gates lied, said they did, worked out a license, then he went out and bought an OS for next to nothing from somene he knew who was actually building one. That's where DOS came from.

Steve Jobs has 317 patents, Bill Gates has 9, and you want to call Bill Gates the innovator?

http://www.nytimes.com/in...ts.html?hp

[Edited 10/7/11 16:40pm]

I haven't got any history wrong. You've missed the most important part.

Your story starts 5 years too late. You need to go back to 75, long before Microsoft bought dos and sold it to IBM. Bill actually co-wrote Altair basic for the first real PC. He wrote the bootstraps too.

And of course, Bill's basic is also known as Applesoft, as it ran the Apple II.

Steve Jobs needed a version of basic and went to Bill, as he had no skills of his own. Bill was creating the software, Steve Wosniak was creating the hardware, and Steve jobs was selling.

I don't think Steve's role should be understated. He is a terrific manager and salesman, but the truth is, he spend half his career trying to push a product that never claimed more than 5% of its market. In "innovation" terms, thats a failure.

The McIntosh software had nothing to do Microsoft. Steve famously gave Bill a prototype of the original McIntosh to play with. Bill was blown away with it that they copied everything about it. Hence Windows and the many lawsuits after that for copying it.

SquirrelMeat said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Take the blinkers off.

Before apple graphic interfaces looked like this.

And as for the iphone????????

Well, 4 months before the iphone 1 came out, I was using this. It was touch screen and a great music player. Look familiar??

So much for apple innovation eh?

They are the same cowboys as microsoft. They just have the Cult of Mac clan believing their hype. Most people that defend Apple seem to know fuck all about technology, or when things came out.

The Lisa and the Mcintosh were the first personal computer on the market with a GUI interface.

The iPhone was first shown on Jan 9 2007

The Samsung f 700 was first shown in Feburary

The iPhone was released in the US in June.

The Samsung was released in November in Europe and on Verizon in May 2008

So wrong on all counts.

I swear people are anti-apple, just to be anti-apple.

Apple has been the most innovative company in the last 10 years.

specifically in my field music.

My only complaint of apple is they've sacrificed making quality stuff, for disposable technology.

which I guess makes sense in the long run, since the computer you buy next year will be 10 X more powerful than the one you just bought.

But I do miss the times when you could buy an apple product and it could last 10 years without ever breaking down.

Other than that.

Apple is on top.

V10LETBLUES said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Take the blinkers off.

Before apple graphic interfaces looked like this.

And as for the iphone????????

Well, 4 months before the iphone 1 came out, I was using this. It was touch screen and a great music player. Look familiar??

So much for apple innovation eh?

They are the same cowboys as microsoft. They just have the Cult of Mac clan believing their hype. Most people that defend Apple seem to know fuck all about technology, or when things came out.

The Lisa and the Mcintosh were the first personal computer on the market with a GUI interface.

The iPhone was first shown on Jan 9 2007

The Samsung f 700 was first shown in Feburary

The iPhone was released in the US in June.

The Samsung was released in November in Europe and on Verizon in May 2008

So wrong on all counts.

The Lisa came 5 YEARS after the Xerox GUI.

The apple II GUI was a copy of the Xerox invention, running on a basic software written by Bill Gates. Try looking up "Xerox Alto" and "applesoft".

There is no point starting a time line at 1978 and claiming apple were first.

As for the phones, thats laughable.

Don't you think is rather strage that apple had a six month gap between announcement and release? 6 months? They NEVER do that normally. Its clear were trying to look to be first when they were copying what already existed.

The Iphone 1 even borrowed more than design from Samsung, most of its phone functionality was "borrowed" too.

Oh, and how do you explain this

Annouced in 2006 and released in early 2007

Again, before the iphone. The wonderful LG Prada. Form and function.

Are you really claiming that the iphone came first, when these phones were already out???

Look up "reality distortion field" while you are at it.

SquirrelMeat said:

V10LETBLUES said:

The Lisa and the Mcintosh were the first personal computer on the market with a GUI interface.

The iPhone was first shown on Jan 9 2007

The Samsung f 700 was first shown in Feburary

The iPhone was released in the US in June.

The Samsung was released in November in Europe and on Verizon in May 2008

So wrong on all counts.

The Lisa came 5 YEARS after the Xerox GUI.

The apple II GUI was a copy of the Xerox invention, running on a basic software written by Bill Gates. Try looking up "Xerox Alto" and "applesoft".

There is no point starting a time line at 1978 and claiming apple were first.

As for the phones, thats laughable.

Don't you think is rather strage that apple had a six month gap between announcement and release? 6 months? They NEVER do that normally. Its clear were trying to look to be first when they were copying what already existed.

The Iphone 1 even borrowed more than design from Samsung, most of its phone functionality was "borrowed" too.

Oh, and how do you explain this

Annouced in 2006 and released in early 2007

Again, before the iphone. The wonderful LG Prada. Form and function.

Are you really claiming that the iphone came first, when these phones were already out???

Look up "reality distortion field" while you are at it.

I see you backtracked and show the Prada now instead of the Samsung. Good for you. It seems you looked it up and confirmed for yourself. As for the Prada, the only similarity is the shape. The similarity ends there.

The Xerox "experimental" UI you speak of, is just that. Jobs visisted their research facility and the folks at Xerox did not know the potential or what their researchers had on their hands. It was not anywhere near a product in the market. Or that anyone outside that reseach facility knew about our used. Apple received permission to incorporate parts of it inot their products in exchange for stock.

Look this up and confirm for yourself. I welcome you backtrack some more.

V10LETBLUES said:

SquirrelMeat said:

The Lisa came 5 YEARS after the Xerox GUI.

The apple II GUI was a copy of the Xerox invention, running on a basic software written by Bill Gates. Try looking up "Xerox Alto" and "applesoft".

There is no point starting a time line at 1978 and claiming apple were first.

As for the phones, thats laughable.

Don't you think is rather strage that apple had a six month gap between announcement and release? 6 months? They NEVER do that normally. Its clear were trying to look to be first when they were copying what already existed.

The Iphone 1 even borrowed more than design from Samsung, most of its phone functionality was "borrowed" too.

Oh, and how do you explain this

Annouced in 2006 and released in early 2007

Again, before the iphone. The wonderful LG Prada. Form and function.

Are you really claiming that the iphone came first, when these phones were already out???

Look up "reality distortion field" while you are at it.

I see you backtracked and show the Prada now instead of the Samsung. Good for you. It seems you looked it up and confirmed for yourself. As for the Prada, the only similarity is the shape. The similarity ends there.

The Xerox "experimental" UI you speak of, is just that. Jobs visisted their research facility and the folks at Xerox did not know the potential or what their researchers had on their hands. It was not anywhere near a product in the market. Or that anyone outside that reseach facility knew about our used. Apple received permission to incorporate parts of it inot their products in exchange for stock.

Look this up and confirm for yourself. I welcome you backtrack some more.

You are all WRONG, I had the Technology decades before everybody else!

SquirrelMeat - first of all, I know the history, I lived it. My first compuer was an Apple ][+ with AppleSoft basic. I know full well where that came from.

There is no question that Bill Gates is a better programmer than Steve Jobs. There is also no question that Steve Jobs is a better innovator and visionary than Bill Gates. It's really not even close.

There were plenty of technologies that existed in a lab in some form before Steve Jobs turned them into products. He never turned them into products in the same form as they existed in the lab. He had a unique ability to see things, strip out the noise, and create something far better.

I'm fully away of the Xerox Alto (which you gave the screen shot of) and even the Apple Lisa. I even owned an Apple Lisa. Xerox Alto and Apple Lisa didn't change the world, Macintosh was a parallel project to Lisa at Apple, made massive improvements on the gui Xerox had (which itself wasn't the first gui), and forever changed the face of computers. Computers today don't look like the xerox alto, they look like the original Macintosh, complete with a menu bar, desktop, etc.

I'm not sure why you think Applesoft basic ties into the history of GUI. It has absolutely nothing ot do with it. After Macintosh was released, Apple did release a version of a GUI on the Apple 2 gs, but it wasn't writtin in Basic and was part of the post Steve Jobs era.

And, again, saying Steve Jobs was just a marketer is like saying Prince is just a guitar player. Of course both are great at those respective aspects, but in both cases there is far, far more to it than that.

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One more thing. Why do you criticize Steve Jobs for Macintosh because it wasn't the absolute first GUI, nevermind all of the lasting advancements in GUI the Macintosh team created, yet praise Bill Gates as a visionary for writing a version of basic, a language that existed in multiple forms for years before he wrote teh Altar version. Tha Altair basic Bill Gates wrote was based in the PDP-10 basic he used at harvard. I don't consider writing yet another basic interperter as any form of innovation or any form of expert programming. I could write one in about a week. It's not an innavation now, it's not an innovation in 1975.

From The Onion.

Perfect!

Last American Who Knew What The Fuck He Was Doing Dies

http://www.theonion.com/a...ing,26268/

CUPERTINO, CA—Steve Jobs, the visionary co-founder of Apple Computers and the only American in the country who had any clue what the fuck he was doing, died Wednesday at the age of 56. "We haven't just lost a great innovator, leader, and businessman, we've literally lost the only person in this country who actually had his shit together and knew what the hell was going on," a statement from President Barack Obama read in part, adding that Jobs will be remembered both for the life-changing products he created and for the fact that he was able to sit down, think clearly, and execute his ideas—attributes he shared with no other U.S. citizen. "This is a dark time for our country, because the reality is none of the 300 million or so Americans who remain can actually get anything done or make things happen. Those days are over." Obama added that if anyone could fill the void left by Jobs it would probably be himself, but said that at this point he honestly doesn’t have the slightest notion what he’s doing anymore.

V10LETBLUES said:

From The Onion.

Perfect!

Last American Who Knew What The Fuck He Was Doing Dies

http://www.theonion.com/a...ing,26268/

CUPERTINO, CA—Steve Jobs, the visionary co-founder of Apple Computers and the only American in the country who had any clue what the fuck he was doing, died Wednesday at the age of 56. "We haven't just lost a great innovator, leader, and businessman, we've literally lost the only person in this country who actually had his shit together and knew what the hell was going on," a statement from President Barack Obama read in part, adding that Jobs will be remembered both for the life-changing products he created and for the fact that he was able to sit down, think clearly, and execute his ideas—attributes he shared with no other U.S. citizen. "This is a dark time for our country, because the reality is none of the 300 million or so Americans who remain can actually get anything done or make things happen. Those days are over." Obama added that if anyone could fill the void left by Jobs it would probably be himself, but said that at this point he honestly doesn’t have the slightest notion what he’s doing anymore.

I would not doubt if this was not far from the truth !

1984 interview with Steve Jobs. Even then, beyond the computer, he already knew the internet would play a great role in peoples lives.

Long article but here is a snip.

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Playboy: Obviously, you believe that computers are going to change our personal lives, but how would you persuade a skeptic? A holdout?

Jobs: A computer is the most incredible tool we've ever seen. It can be a writing tool, a communications center, a supercalculator, a planner, a filer and an artistic instrument all in one, just by being given new instructions, or software, to work from. There are no other tools that have the power and versatility of a computer. We have no idea how far it's going to go. Right now, computers make our lives easier. They do work for us in fractions of a second that would take us hours. They increase the quality of life, some of that by simply automating drudgery and some of that by broadening our possibilities. As things progress, they'll be doing more and more for us.

Playboy: How about some concrete reasons to buy a computer today? An executive in your industry recently said, "We've given people computers, but we haven't shown them what to do with them. I can balance my checkbook faster by hand than on my computer." Why should a person buy a computer?

Jobs: There are different answers for different people. In business, that question is easy to answer: You really can prepare documents much faster and at a higher quality level, and you can do many things to increase office productivity. A computer frees people from much of the menial work. Besides that, you are giving them a tool that encourages them to be creative. Remember, computers are tools. Tools help us do our work better.

In education, computers are the first thing to come along since books that will sit there and interact with you endlessly, without judgment. Socratic education isn't available anymore, and computers have the potential to be a real breakthrough in the educational process when used in conjunction with enlightened teachers. We're in most schools already.

Playboy: Those are arguments for computers in business and in schools, but what about the home?

Jobs: So far, that's more of a conceptual market than a real market. The primary reasons to buy a computer for your home now are that you want to do some business work at home or you want to run educational software for yourself or your children. If you can't justify buying a computer for one of those two reasons, the only other possible reason is that you just want to be computer literate. You know there's something going on, you don't exactly know what it is, so you want to learn. This will change: Computers will be essential in most homes.

Playboy: What will change?

Jobs: The most compelling reason for most people to buy a computer for the home will be to link it into a nationwide communications network. We're just in the beginning stages of what will be a truly remarkable breakthrough for most people--as remarkable as the telephone.

Playboy: Specifically, what kind of breakthrough are you talking about?

Jobs: I can only begin to speculate. We see that a lot in our industry: You don't know exactly what's going to result, but you know it's something very big and very good.

Playboy: Then for now, aren't you asking home-computer buyers to invest $3000 in what is essentially an act of faith?

Jobs: In the future, it won't be an act of faith. The hard part of what we're up against now is that people ask you about specifics and you can't tell them. A hundred years ago, if somebody had asked Alexander Graham Bell, "What are you going to be able to do with a telephone?" he wouldn't have been able to tell him the ways the telephone would affect the world. He didn't know that people would use the telephone to call up and find out what movies were playing that night or to order some groceries or call a relative on the other side of the globe. But remember that first the public telegraph was inaugurated, in 1844. It was an amazing breakthrough in communications. You could actually send messages from New York to San Francisco in an afternoon.

People talked about putting a telegraph on every desk in America to improve productivity. But it wouldn't have worked. It required that people learn this whole sequence of strange incantations, Morse code, dots and dashes, to use the telegraph. It took about 40 hours to learn. The majority of people would never learn how to use it. So, fortunately, in the 1870s, Bell filed the patents for the telephone. It performed basically the same function as the telegraph, but people already knew how to use it. Also, the neatest thing about it was that besides allowing you to communicate with just words, it allowed you to sing.

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V10LETBLUES said:

The best college commencement address.

Steve Jobs' 2005 Stanford Commencement Address

I just watched this and it is probably the best use of 15 minutes that I can think of. I should find a way to review it every day. Many of the things he said I have known but never did I string them together or keep reminding myself of.

On my 50th birthday I decided to count down to my 70th. It would be around 7300 days and I wanted to spend them more consciously than I had the past 30. What I did was literally go get a 16 month calendar and count backwards so that each day I remind myself time is passing, live consciously. Today I only have 7258 days left. I think by embracing death we gain our life. The paradoxes of life are endless.

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