NDRU said:

Cerebus said:

Because, clearly, we're looked down upon for making that decision, which is completely ludicrous. We're no less creative, inspired, "cool", or whatever, then any mac user.

On a personal note, image based marketing has always gotten under my skin. Its one of the lowest and easiest forms of herd mentality.

But PC users get to look down on Mac users for being hoodwinked into thinking that good marketing makes it worth paying double for a laptop made of the same parts that runs the same programs and requires you to pay for a new OS every six weeks.

We ALL get to look down upon each other, together! That is what choice is all about!

Ace said:

ufoclub said:

It's not better for design work, but it is better designed, and many graphic artists like to surround themeselves with better designed or styled products in the form of furniture, fashion, haircuts, or macs.

This is the answer I tend to hear over and over again ('Er...uh...they`re cooler!`).

Against most PCs, I`d agree with that. But I`d be lyin' if I said that I felt you were gettin' more bang for yer buck with a Mac.

Well the easy test would be to conifgure a PC to the features and price of the imac and then compare the price.

For example I just bought an imac (the "cool" all in one streamlined design) with these features:

27-inch: 3.1GHz

• 3.1GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i5
• 2560 x 1440 resolution
• 4GB (two 2GB) memory
• 1TB hard drive¹
• AMD Radeon HD 6970M with 1GB

• 27-inch (viewable) LED-backlit glossy widescreen TFT display with support for millions of colours (this was very important for my work)
• Resolution: 2560x1440 pixels
• Thunderport
• DVD-burner drive (this is now standard on any computer, right?)

the list price is $1,999 so let's say Apple charges that much for this product (I got mine for much, much cheaper because I know people that work at apple corporate plus I got a refurbished computer)

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ufoclub said:

Ace said:

This is the answer I tend to hear over and over again ('Er...uh...they`re cooler!`).

Against most PCs, I`d agree with that. But I`d be lyin' if I said that I felt you were gettin' more bang for yer buck with a Mac.

Well the easy test would be to conifgure a PC to the features and price of the imac and then compare the price.

For example I just bought an imac (the "cool" all in one streamlined design) with these features:

27-inch: 3.1GHz

• 3.1GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i5
• 2560 x 1440 resolution
• 4GB (two 2GB) memory
• 1TB hard drive¹
• AMD Radeon HD 6970M with 1GB

• 27-inch (viewable) LED-backlit glossy widescreen TFT display with support for millions of colours (this was very important for my work)
• Resolution: 2560x1440 pixels
• Thunderport
• DVD-burner drive (this is now standard on any computer, right?)

the list price is $1,999 so let's say Apple charges that much for this product (I got mine for much, much cheaper because I know people that work at apple corporate plus I got a refurbished computer)

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I didn't run the figures but I'm almost positive I could build that machine for $999 or less, if not a better one.

Militant said:

ufoclub said:

Well the easy test would be to conifgure a PC to the features and price of the imac and then compare the price.

For example I just bought an imac (the "cool" all in one streamlined design) with these features:

27-inch: 3.1GHz

• 3.1GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i5
• 2560 x 1440 resolution
• 4GB (two 2GB) memory
• 1TB hard drive¹
• AMD Radeon HD 6970M with 1GB

• 27-inch (viewable) LED-backlit glossy widescreen TFT display with support for millions of colours (this was very important for my work)
• Resolution: 2560x1440 pixels
• Thunderport
• DVD-burner drive (this is now standard on any computer, right?)

the list price is $1,999 so let's say Apple charges that much for this product (I got mine for much, much cheaper because I know people that work at apple corporate plus I got a refurbished computer)

[Edited 9/30/11 9:00am]

I didn't run the figures but I'm almost positive I could build that machine for $999 or less, if not a better one.

I'm pretty sure I could probably assemble one that's cheaper too. Not by much though.

I'm also certain, most manufacterors would struggle to match the value given the same specs.

So far, none of the tablet manufacturers and ultra thin notebook manufacterers are able to beat Apple's pricing. I think it's unfair and inaccurate to say that a huge premium is slapped on all mac products.

I've certainly never had a shred of buyers remorse with regards to my macs and various apple products. I love them.

ZombieKitten said:

NDRU said:

But PC users get to look down on Mac users for being hoodwinked into thinking that good marketing makes it worth paying double for a laptop made of the same parts that runs the same programs and requires you to pay for a new OS every six weeks.

We ALL get to look down upon each other, together! That is what choice is all about!

I've only once bought a new OS that didn't come with a new machine. (Since 1989 Ive bought 3 new computers for my home studio). And I didn't really need it, I thought I'd be using iWeb but still haven't.

But that is the beauty of this two-party system.

You get to say "I never had that issue with my mac" and smile to yourself inside, meanwhile I know none of your new software is working because you are only at 10.6.8

imago said:

Militant said:

I didn't run the figures but I'm almost positive I could build that machine for $999 or less, if not a better one.

I'm pretty sure I could probably assemble one that's cheaper too. Not by much though.

I'm also certain, most manufacterors would struggle to match the value given the same specs.

So far, none of the tablet manufacturers and ultra thin notebook manufacterers are able to beat Apple's pricing. I think it's unfair and inaccurate to say that a huge premium is slapped on all mac products.

I've certainly never had a shred of buyers remorse with regards to my macs and various apple products. I love them.

You could assemble one for the functionality , but if you did want the casing design of one smooth piece to the whole thing with buttons, drvies, and ports hidden, then youmight have lost that value with an assembled computer. In some kind of chop shop production house, that really doesn't matter, but in your home if you want things to look minimal in clutter, and have a space you want as your aesthetically pleasing living space and working space, the casing design does come into play as added value.

It would be interesting to see a PC pricing comparison, keeping in mind that the single 2560x1440 pixel high quality LED monitor is a key value factor for working on film/video special effects and motion graphics.

ufoclub said:

imago said:

I'm pretty sure I could probably assemble one that's cheaper too. Not by much though.

I'm also certain, most manufacterors would struggle to match the value given the same specs.

So far, none of the tablet manufacturers and ultra thin notebook manufacterers are able to beat Apple's pricing. I think it's unfair and inaccurate to say that a huge premium is slapped on all mac products.

I've certainly never had a shred of buyers remorse with regards to my macs and various apple products. I love them.

You could assemble one for the functionality , but if you did want the casing design of one smooth piece to the whole thing with buttons, drvies, and ports hidden, then youmight have lost that value with an assembled computer. In some kind of chop shop production house, that really doesn't matter, but in your home if you want things to look minimal in clutter, and have a space you want as your aesthetically pleasing living space and working space, the casing design does come into play as added value.

It would be interesting to see a PC pricing comparison, keeping in mind that the single 2560x1440 pixel high quality LED monitor is a key value factor for working on film/video special effects and motion graphics.

True.

But for me, factoring in the fact that I'd have to put up with using Windows, and losing iMovie, GarageBand (which I used for training mp3s, etc.), and the suite of other apps that come bundled and are extremely easy to use, I couldn't be bothered to try.

I'm probably going to need a PC again though as OS-X Lion doesn't support Powerbook emulation, so I can't play my favorite RTS anymore (Age of Mythology)

NDRU said:

I'm about to install a blu-ray burner in my mac tower! And you know I've had the burner for close to a year and half without bothering.

What's prompting me?

One of the latest prince concert bootlegs is a blu-ray in HD quality!

imago said:

nd33 said:

imago said:

I'm pretty sure I could probably assemble one that's cheaper too. Not by much though.

I'm also certain, most manufacterors would struggle to match the value given the same specs.

So far, none of the tablet manufacturers and ultra thin notebook manufacterers are able to beat Apple's pricing. I think it's unfair and inaccurate to say that a huge premium is slapped on all mac products.

I've certainly never had a shred of buyers remorse with regards to my macs and various apple products. I love them.

There should be more focus on this, if we're discussing why people go for Macs. Why is it that the vast majority of people who use them, grow to love them? "Apple Tops In Customer Satisfaction For 8th Year" http://m.cnet.com/Article...mp;bid=-17

don't PC users love their PCs?

Well I do have an iMac (entry level) and I find that it resolves colours and detail in HD footage a lot better. Also, After Effects, Photoshop, etc tend to run much faster on it. That said, I have a HP laptop that I use for AE and HD-vid editing on the go. I chose it ahead of a Macbook Pro largely because it has all the necessary display ports and 4 usbs which makes presentations so much simpler, saving me from forgetting all the thunderbolt adapters in my inevitable last minute scramble. It also brings me great joy to walk into a college cafe, library and/or creative design space with the HP and sit amongst Mac users to do editing and design work. You can just feel their flannel shirts catching fire or their facial hair smoldering when talking loudly about the lack of XML support in FCP X or being able to watch full 1080p.

spacedolphin said:

or being able to watch full 1080p.

Since when couldn't you watch full 1080p on a mac with even a medium level video card? It plays it's own high fidelity apple pro res codec quite nicely at full 1080p, whereas the average PC is going to have dumb it down to H264 or other lossy mpeg format.

Or do you mean final cut pro X can't play 1080p? It can.

I've worked for the city on many occasions (right now as well). It's always baffled me how easily the graphic designers, video editors and sound engineers working for the city get funding for their Macs just because they tell their bosses they're going to need a Mac for their work (it all comes from tax money). They usually have a functional PC system given to them when they start their work, but for some oblivious reason nagging long enough about its "inadequacies" seems to get them a Mac.

It's also been a bit irritating to me along the years because I think the money that goes into buying those Macs should have been used on other equipment. I used to work in one recording studio owned by the city and it originally had a PC system that kept losing the word clock sync with a digital compressor once in a while. It was admittedly really annoying, because it produced a loud burst of noise coming out of the monitors when it happened. The person that got my position after I decided to go the university got everybody convinced that the studio needs a Mac to get rid of the problem, but you know what? The same problem continued with the Mac - they weren't due to a PC being used. The compressor just didn't work that well with the audio interface (which is the same damn thing for both platforms). That was thousands of euros wasted.

Why do these type of things happen? Because even if media production types work constantly with computers they usually have a surprisingly modest understanding of the inner workings of computers.

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