George Lucas has once again tweaked Star Wars for the new blu-ray edition. The worst is now Darth Vader screams, "Nooooo" as he throws the Emperor off the bridge.

http://buzzlog.yahoo.com/...al-trilogy

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I agree that these movies should not be messed with, but lots of movies are re-released as a director's cut and nobody seems to be botherd by that.

Is it that the original versions are not available anymore? I don't own these on DVD.

George done fucked up. George crazy. George stupid.George like Prince overproducing shit when old school fans likke their shitt rough and rugged and raw.

George likke Prince fucking up Sexuality/Spirituality. George better stop bullshitting.

KoolEaze said:

George likke Prince fucking up Sexuality/Spirituality. George better stop bullshitting.

At least you can get the original version of the song though...for now!

KoolEaze said:

George likke Prince fucking up Sexuality/Spirituality. George better stop bullshitting.

That's how I feel. It's seems both George Lucas and Prince think alike as it's their creation so they can do whatever the hell they want with it. Fans be damned. Pointless dialogue changes/lyric changes, etc....

NDRU said:

I agree that these movies should not be messed with, but lots of movies are re-released as a director's cut and nobody seems to be botherd by that.

I do enjoy director's cuts but only if it adds to the story. These new tweaks don't add anything to the story. They, in fact, take away from it. George Lucas justs keeps changing Star Wars that it's gotten to the point that fans are now up in arms about it. Check out the Amazon page for the new Star Wars Blu-Ray edition. Fans are finally voicing their opinion about it and it's not good.

dannyd5050 said:

NDRU said:

I agree that these movies should not be messed with, but lots of movies are re-released as a director's cut and nobody seems to be botherd by that.

I do enjoy director's cuts but only if it adds to the story. These new tweaks don't add anything to the story. They, in fact, take away from it. George Lucas justs keeps changing Star Wars that it's gotten to the point that fans are now up in arms about it. Check out the Amazon page for the new Star Wars Blu-Ray edition. Fans are finally voicing their opinion about it and it's not good.

yeah I think the problem is that they are not real directors cuts made up of the original material, they are like patches of new material over the original material.

It's why I don't mind prince changing stuff live, it does not ruin the original, it is a new thing altogether, but Lucas is actually fucking with the original.

They only do this so they can sell all new copies to the star wars fans, and make tons of money... The star wars fans will HAVE to snap it up to have it for their collection...

I swear...reading the comments on Amazon I'm having deja vu!!

"I know of no other film maker that has such a disdain for his fans as George Lucas..."

"I know of no other musician that has such a disdain for his fans as Prince..."

It's eerie....

tinaz said:

They only do this so they can sell all new copies to the star wars fans, and make tons of money... The star wars fans will HAVE to snap it up to have it for their collection...

Actually, there is a growing groundswell for a large scale boycot of this product amongst Star Wars fans. Star Wars fans DO NOT want these changes. For the most part (other than, like, putting the scene with Jaba and Han back in), they never have.

And honestly, NONE of this would matter if he would just include the originals, mat lines, wires and all. He could make as many changes as he liked, replace EVERY actor and change all the sets with CG, if he would just include the original versions in these sets. For whatever reason he refuses to do so. I don't think they've been released since they were on VHS.

George Lucas & Prince aren't all that much alike. At Least Prince isn't re-releasing Purple Rain every 3 years & milking it to death. I am so fucking sick of George Lucas milking this franchise! Why not making some new Star Wars movies, instead of constantly doing this shit over & over again. The franchise is cool, but overrated imho.

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Cerebus said:

tinaz said:

They only do this so they can sell all new copies to the star wars fans, and make tons of money... The star wars fans will HAVE to snap it up to have it for their collection...

Actually, there is a growing groundswell for a large scale boycot of this product amongst Star Wars fans. Star Wars fans DO NOT want these changes. For the most part (other than, like, putting the scene with Jaba and Han back in), they never have.

And honestly, NONE of this would matter if he would just include the originals, mat lines, wires and all. He could make as many changes as he liked, replace EVERY actor and change all the sets with CG, if he would just include the original versions in these sets. For whatever reason he refuses to do so. I don't think they've been released since they were on VHS.

The originals were released on DVD a few years ago with no tweaks.

As for his constant changes...NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

StonedImmaculate said:

Cerebus said:

Actually, there is a growing groundswell for a large scale boycot of this product amongst Star Wars fans. Star Wars fans DO NOT want these changes. For the most part (other than, like, putting the scene with Jaba and Han back in), they never have.

And honestly, NONE of this would matter if he would just include the originals, mat lines, wires and all. He could make as many changes as he liked, replace EVERY actor and change all the sets with CG, if he would just include the original versions in these sets. For whatever reason he refuses to do so. I don't think they've been released since they were on VHS.

The originals were released on DVD a few years ago with no tweaks.

As for his constant changes...NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you sure about that? I have them and I think they're the first tweak versions? Didn't think there had been a no tweak DVD release.

Yeah they were. It was a limited edition 2-disc pack with the digitally remastered Special Edition as Disc 1, original theatricals for disc 2. Episode IV doesnt even say Episode IV A NEW HOPE in the opening crawl...just goes straight to "It is a period of civil war." No deleted scenes or anything extra though.

I dont think they're in stores anymore but Im sure you can find them online.

StonedImmaculate said:

Yeah they were. It was a limited edition 2-disc pack with the digitally remastered Special Edition as Disc 1, original theatricals for disc 2. Episode IV doesnt even say Episode IV A NEW HOPE in the opening crawl...just goes straight to "It is a period of civil war." No deleted scenes or anything extra though.

I dont think they're in stores anymore but Im sure you can find them online.

Interesting. Nah, I've got 87 versions of them already. And I will be buying the blu-ray complete set because I'm not really bothered by most of the changes and I want all those extensive extras. Would have been nice if he'd included the originals in this set in full HD.

Yeah...the only reason Im buying the BR is for the Episode IV-VI deleted scenes.

Pisses me off though...I cant tell you how much money Lucas has made off of me!!!

StonedImmaculate said:

Yeah...the only reason Im buying the BR is for the Episode IV-VI deleted scenes.

Pisses me off though...I cant tell you how much money Lucas has made off of me!!!

Well, I'm not a collector beyond the movies. But he got me for the OT first VHS box set (black box, although this was a gift, actually) the OT SE VHS box set (silver box), each of the Prequel trilogy 2-disc sets, the 2004 OT SE DVD box set (silver), and I've pre-ordered the complete blu-ray set. Plus I've seen all of them in the theater starting with Empire, including the re-releases. So I can probably get pretty close to knowing how much I've spent on SW. Anything else I have, like a Yoda that interacts with a Light Saber were gifts because family members know I like the movies.

Cerebus said:

StonedImmaculate said:

The originals were released on DVD a few years ago with no tweaks.

As for his constant changes...NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you sure about that? I have them and I think they're the first tweak versions? Didn't think there had been a no tweak DVD release.

There are a few tweaks here and there, nothing that couldn't be overlooked. I will say that the digitally mastered A New Hope, i.e star wars, is beautiful to watched. Specially the opening scenes. So crisp and gorgeous.

From what I've seen of these blu ray disc, besides the extra footage, I have no interest in. The Noooooooo is just needless and ruins the whole scene.

Makes me wonder just how much money does Lucas need anyway?? He owns the merchandise rights, the dude doesn't need coin.

Unless he REALLY thinks hes improving on his vision.

lazycrockett said:

Cerebus said:

Are you sure about that? I have them and I think they're the first tweak versions? Didn't think there had been a no tweak DVD release.

There are a few tweaks here and there, nothing that couldn't be overlooked. I will say that the digitally mastered A New Hope, i.e star wars, is beautiful to watched. Specially the opening scenes. So crisp and gorgeous.

From what I've seen of these blu ray disc, besides the extra footage, I have no interest in. The Noooooooo is just needless and ruins the whole scene.

Makes me wonder just how much money does Lucas need anyway?? He owns the merchandise rights, the dude doesn't need coin.

Unless he REALLY thinks hes improving on his vision.

I love the 2004 DVDs.

And he does...

"There will only be one. And it won't be what I would call the "rough cut", it'll be the "final cut". The other one will be some sort of interesting artifact that people will look at and say, "There was an earlier draft of this." The same thing happens with plays and earlier drafts of books. In essence, films never get finished, they get abandoned. At some point, you're dragged off the picture kicking and screaming while somebody says, "Okay, it's done." That isn't really the way it should work. Occasionally, [you can] go back and get your cut of the video out there, which I did on both American Graffiti and THX 1138; that's the place where it will live forever. So what ends up being important in my mind is what the DVD version is going to look like, because that's what everybody is going to remember. The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won't last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you'll be able to project it on a 20' by 40' screen with perfect quality. I think it's the director's prerogative, not the studio's to go back and reinvent a movie."

George Lucas "An Expanded Universe", American Cinematographer magazine, February 1997

None of the original Star Wars films were masterpieces.

But, The Empire Strikes Back was good.

All were impressive technically.

NDRU said:

Is it that the original versions are not available anymore? I don't own these on DVD.

I think he offered the originals on the blu-ray, right?

But with absolutely no 'cleanup' or anything to improve the sound, etc.

I could be wrong though.

Lucas doesn't see those movies as completed movies. Nevermind they actually made it all the way to the movie theatres and sold millions (sounds completed to me), but he has no intention of spending lots and lots of money (Cause that is what it would cost) to restore the originals.

imago said:

None of the original Star Wars films were masterpieces.

Lucas is doing his best to make sure everyone feels that way

I wonder why he doesn't do more tweaking to the prequels.

Surely he doesn't think those are perfect.

NDRU said:

imago said:

None of the original Star Wars films were masterpieces.

Lucas is doing his best to make sure everyone feels that way

Now if Prince had that spirit, perhaps his movies would improve.

imago said:

None of the original Star Wars films were masterpieces.

But, The Empire Strikes Back was good.

All were impressive technically.

N I would have no problem if Lucas concentrated on making the visual as up to date and popping as he could, Make the space battles more Epic great, heres my coin, but for the most part he doesnt.

He adds scenes and dialogue that isn't needed or doesn't add to the story. Honestly his screenwriting skills are a joke at worse or folksy at best.

Now if he took ROTS and added scenes of Padme, Organa and others forming the beginning of the rebellion then I would be more than happy with changes that add something to the story, but having Darth screaming NOOOOOOoooooooooo As he picks up the emperor and thows him into the abyss doesn't add anything. Lord rewrite WTH scene where Padme, a bitchin strong woman dies at the end cause shes sad???, which totally goes against everything in the ROTJ Leia and her memories of her mother.

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imago said:

I wonder why he doesn't do more tweaking to the prequels.

Surely he doesn't think those are perfect.

Evidently there is a good number of tweaks to them on the new set, but its only the OT that the fans get all in a bunch about.

I totally agree with your assesment of the OT, too. Mark Hamill's acting alone guaranteed that.

I do not want my hero to sound like a whiny teenage girl.

^Well then he need to do a whole reshoot of The Phantom Menace.

"WWEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!" god what a horrid kid actor.

lazycrockett said:

^Well then he need to do a whole reshoot of The Phantom Menace.

"WWEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!" god what a horrid kid actor.

Honestly - and I mean really, being 100% truthful - I liked him better than Hayden "I'm a piece of cardboard" Christensen.