paintedlady said:

davetherave6767 said:

My face 2 flower with coldsores.......it sounds nicer than it actually is.

Since you're here... what is the best medicine for cold sores? Can anyone buy some over the counter something for the girl in the school? Something she can apply herself and keep in her backpack?

I need a recommandation because baby girl looks rough right now.

The only OTC thing I'm aware of is Lysine - an amino acid that is available in tablet or ointment. But I don't know how well it works.

There are a number of anti-virals that work well for suppression, but probably aren't appropriate in this case (because of the girls' age and the fact that they require a prescription).

paintedlady said:

BlackAdder7 said:

social services should be called.

Right now before I start seeing stuff crawling on the girls again?

Yes. That was going to be my only answer. Contact whatever agency handles your local CPS. They have FAR too much work to do already, so (as we all know) people fall through the cracks right and left. At the very least, even if they can't get the family the help they need you'll always know that you tried doing the right thing.

Wow. I can't believe the school isn't doing something about it.

I'd call the school and complain. THese kids parents are obviously neglecting them.

Shorty said:

Genesia said:

Well, see...here's the thing about apples. It all depends what you like. I wouldn't touch a Red Delicious with a 10-foot pole. They're always soft and mealy...and the skins are thick and bitter. A lot of folks like Yellow Delicious or Gala - but they're both too soft and sweet for my taste.

On the other hand...a really hard, tart, heritage apple like Earliblaze? And Pink Lady is good and hard, too - though on the sweeter side.

The best thing to do is go to an apple stand at a farmer's market, tell them what you like, and let them recommend one. With kids, it helps to cut them up - because the apples they sell at grocery stores these days are just too big for kids to get their mouths around. Try a few different kinds - no dipping sauce - and let them discover what they like.

yeah I don't care for red delicious either...they remind me of a pear...and I'm not a big fan of pears. I take them apple picking every year. my youngest is like nom nom nom chowing down on any old apple he finds. my oldest is just STUBBORN and refuses to try anything. I will have to MAKE him try one again this year. but..ya know, I like em crisp and tart...maybe I should have him try a milder one like a red delish... perhaps he just doesn't like the tartness.

My kids (and myself) would only eat apples after I cored them and cut them into wedges... Try sprinkling some cinnamon on them...

TotalANXiousNESS said:

Wow. I can't believe the school isn't doing something about it.

I'd call the school and complain. THese kids parents are obviously neglecting them.

The responsibility of our schools is to educate the children who attend classes, not police their lives at home.

TotalANXiousNESS said:

Wow. I can't believe the school isn't doing something about it.

I'd call the school and complain. THese kids parents are obviously neglecting them.

I spoke to them this morning. They are doing all they are allowed to do at this point. Its tough.

I will call DSS tomorrow and have them do one of those healthy checks. One of the mothers is well aquainted with the Department of Social Services.

But on my end I will try to get these girls the little things they need... I'll be trekking to the local dollar store and Target to buy some basics they need. Hair brushes and lotions and deoderant. I need to give them some Castille soap and other better skin products later when I get some extra cash.

I'll also ask the parent coordinator. She's good people and will help. She can help keep a better eye if they need panties, socks and other things growing girls need. She can also make sure the moms get to one of the 4 food banks in our area.

I have hope now for the coming school year and the girls getting the help they need .... guess it takes a village and all.

Genesia said:

paintedlady said:

Since you're here... what is the best medicine for cold sores? Can anyone buy some over the counter something for the girl in the school? Something she can apply herself and keep in her backpack?

I need a recommandation because baby girl looks rough right now.

The only OTC thing I'm aware of is Lysine - an amino acid that is available in tablet or ointment. But I don't know how well it works.

There are a number of anti-virals that work well for suppression, but probably aren't appropriate in this case (because of the girls' age and the fact that they require a prescription).

OK. Thank you... Imma let the school coordinator and nurse handle that one then. I guess the fist bump greetings will have to be the thing to keep doing. I can't give the girls any pills besides vitamins.

My daughter will just have to keep her distance while the cold sores are well... looking so raw.

Imma be busy this school year.

Genesia said:

Is the administration at your daughter's school aware of the problems with these girls? If not, I'd apprise them of the situation. Maybe they can institute a blanket "no hugging or touching" policy. Someone (do they have school nurses, anymore?) needs to tell those little girls that they shouldn't hug or kiss anyone when they have a sore of any kind. And no sharing combs or hats or any items of apparel.

It'd be much better coming from the school administration than from you or your daughter. It's a public health issue.

And honestly, it sounds like an investigation into child neglect might not be amiss.

This is the best answer yet. Repeated cases of lice etc means there is some neglect going on here and maybe the change of schools happened because the parents eventually had problems with the school administration at the last school. I feel badly for all invoved even the parents of the children who are obviously trying to hold on to the custody of their children when maybe they are not fit to do so. The current teacher of the girls will say something to the principal but you going to the principal and saying that this is not a new situation and that you are concerned both for these particular girls but also for outbreaks of lice and whatever else at this elementary school.

I just want to pray for these people. No one wants to put their kids in foster care, but these children need better care then they are getting. It isn't easy to be honest and say that your not doing a good enough job, trust me - I have been there and it was painful.

wildgoldenhoney said:

Poor thing for those girls. Can the teacher or counselor pull the girls on the side and have a little talk with them about hygiene? I agree that the teacher should talk with the parents also but maybe educating the girls because the parents don't care about educating them about physical health.

Too bad there aren't federal or community programs within schools that will mentor children that are obviously being neglected so they can get 'other' care besides education at school such as help with health related problems or even one last good school meal before they go home (even though some families have foodstamps it doesn't always go towards feeding the kids but sold or exchanged for drugs). I know it's not anyone else's responsibility to care for the kids, but it's not their fault the parents can't care for them well.

Sorry I didn't respond to you sooner... but this made me google and I found nothing in my surrounding area. So I will go to my kick ass community leader ... Mrs. Kearney... she is a church mother who runs serveral programs for the youth in our community, including a food bank and after school program.

I will go to her for help. I will keep doing what I can on my end, but these girls will need an advocate to stand up for them in a real way.

Great mind... TY.

paintedlady said:

wildgoldenhoney said:

Poor thing for those girls. Can the teacher or counselor pull the girls on the side and have a little talk with them about hygiene? I agree that the teacher should talk with the parents also but maybe educating the girls because the parents don't care about educating them about physical health.

Too bad there aren't federal or community programs within schools that will mentor children that are obviously being neglected so they can get 'other' care besides education at school such as help with health related problems or even one last good school meal before they go home (even though some families have foodstamps it doesn't always go towards feeding the kids but sold or exchanged for drugs). I know it's not anyone else's responsibility to care for the kids, but it's not their fault the parents can't care for them well.

Sorry I didn't respond to you sooner... but this made me google and I found nothing in my surrounding area. So I will go to my kick ass community leader ... Mrs. Kearney... she is a church mother who runs serveral programs for the youth in our community, including a food bank and after school program.

I will go to her for help. I will keep doing what I can on my end, but these girls will need an advocate to stand up for them in a real way.

Great mind... TY.

That's a start, she'll be a good source of information for whatever programs there may be available.

Cerebus said:

TotalANXiousNESS said:

Wow. I can't believe the school isn't doing something about it.

I'd call the school and complain. THese kids parents are obviously neglecting them.

The responsibility of our schools is to educate the children who attend classes, not police their lives at home.

Schools are one of the few places where you get to see the child without their parents around them. If the parents are leaning over them the child is not going to "tell" on their parents and admit what their home life is like. So schools are a place where an adult can intervene and help save a kids life. Also if a child is living in a severly disfunctional home it affects their ability to learn and they may test as if they have a learning disability. It would be natural for the teachers to try and find out why the child can not focus or concentrate. Why is the homework seldom completed? Etc.

Every single book I have read on improving a childs learning experience highlights the fact that teachers and parents need to work as a team and have great communication between them. If teachers were genuinely trying to do that they would be privy to a childs home enviroment.

Deadflow3r said:

Cerebus said:

The responsibility of our schools is to educate the children who attend classes, not police their lives at home.

Schools are one of the few places where you get to see the child without their parents around them. If the parents are leaning over them the child is not going to "tell" on their parents and admit what their home life is like. So schools are a place where an adult can intervene and help save a kids life. Also if a child is living in a severly disfunctional home it affects their ability to learn and they may test as if they have a learning disability. It would be natural for the teachers to try and find out why the child can not focus or concentrate. Why is the homework seldom completed? Etc.

Every single book I have read on improving a childs learning experience highlights the fact that teachers and parents need to work as a team and have great communication between them. If teachers were genuinely trying to do that they would be privy to a childs home enviroment.

As a TEAM, fine. But it is not a teachers, ANY teachers, responsibility to diagnose and cure the home life of every single child they teach. Its not even their responsibility to KNOW about their home life. It IS their responsibility to stop sending stupid ass kids out into the world. Believe me when I say I come from a severely broken home. The two best teachers I ever had, the two who made the most difference on me as a person, are the ones who were able to get me interested in literature and math. They made far more difference and had a far greater lasting affect on my life than every clueless counselor I saw combined.

Genesia said:

paintedlady said:

Since you're here... what is the best medicine for cold sores? Can anyone buy some over the counter something for the girl in the school? Something she can apply herself and keep in her backpack?

I need a recommandation because baby girl looks rough right now.

The only OTC thing I'm aware of is Lysine - an amino acid that is available in tablet or ointment. But I don't know how well it works.

There are a number of anti-virals that work well for suppression, but probably aren't appropriate in this case (because of the girls' age and the fact that they require a prescription).

Zovirax...(Aciclovir) is the best cream and the tubes r quite small and handy backpacks...

paintedlady said:

TotalANXiousNESS said:

Wow. I can't believe the school isn't doing something about it.

I'd call the school and complain. THese kids parents are obviously neglecting them.

I spoke to them this morning. They are doing all they are allowed to do at this point. Its tough.

I will call DSS tomorrow and have them do one of those healthy checks. One of the mothers is well aquainted with the Department of Social Services.

But on my end I will try to get these girls the little things they need... I'll be trekking to the local dollar store and Target to buy some basics they need. Hair brushes and lotions and deoderant. I need to give them some Castille soap and other better skin products later when I get some extra cash.

I'll also ask the parent coordinator. She's good people and will help. She can help keep a better eye if they need panties, socks and other things growing girls need. She can also make sure the moms get to one of the 4 food banks in our area.

I have hope now for the coming school year and the girls getting the help they need .... guess it takes a village and all.

I think what you did for those girls was pretty awesome in and of itself, they'll remember that kindness forever. Who knows what a little bit of encouragement might inspire in those girls for themselves. Hopefully others will be able to get involved and give those little girls a fighting chance.

For doing the right thing and helping out instead of complaining and doing nothing, I totally give you a fist bump, PL!!!

How about a bake sale to help raise money for these lil girls?

Or a donation page like PunkMistress had?

And I know but maybe a weekly or monthly "overnight" which involves some long lil girl bubble baths and shampoos.....

So sad when you have to take care of other people's children!!!

davetherave6767 said:

Genesia said:

The only OTC thing I'm aware of is Lysine - an amino acid that is available in tablet or ointment. But I don't know how well it works.

There are a number of anti-virals that work well for suppression, but probably aren't appropriate in this case (because of the girls' age and the fact that they require a prescription).

Zovirax...(Aciclovir) is the best cream and the tubes r quite small and handy backpacks...

Thanks...

morningsong said:

paintedlady said:

I spoke to them this morning. They are doing all they are allowed to do at this point. Its tough.

I will call DSS tomorrow and have them do one of those healthy checks. One of the mothers is well aquainted with the Department of Social Services.

But on my end I will try to get these girls the little things they need... I'll be trekking to the local dollar store and Target to buy some basics they need. Hair brushes and lotions and deoderant. I need to give them some Castille soap and other better skin products later when I get some extra cash.

I'll also ask the parent coordinator. She's good people and will help. She can help keep a better eye if they need panties, socks and other things growing girls need. She can also make sure the moms get to one of the 4 food banks in our area.

I have hope now for the coming school year and the girls getting the help they need .... guess it takes a village and all.

I think what you did for those girls was pretty awesome in and of itself, they'll remember that kindness forever. Who knows what a little bit of encouragement might inspire in those girls for themselves. Hopefully others will be able to get involved and give those little girls a fighting chance.

Weirdly enough I felt like I didn't really do anything so far... I made that call to DSS though. The social worker is also going to contact the school. I gave her all the info I had on both households.

4 children are involved... one mother has one daughter in my daughter's class.

one mother has 3 kids... the little boy, older sister and a middle child, the other girl who is in my daughter's class also.

Parent councel meets up for voting memebers in next week. I will know then who will help me.

BklynBabe said:

For doing the right thing and helping out instead of complaining and doing nothing, I totally give you a fist bump, PL!!!

How about a bake sale to help raise money for these lil girls?

Or a donation page like PunkMistress had?

And I know but maybe a weekly or monthly "overnight" which involves some long lil girl bubble baths and shampoos.....

So sad when you have to take care of other people's children!!!

I don't want the girls to feel like charity cases though... I don't want too much attention called to them because I am afraid they will be bullied.

Bullying in the small school is a real ongoing issue. My own son would rather not have recess ... this fact got be involved as a parent in the school and the community.

I was like "awww hell's no!" [img:$uid]http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc99/gataloca_bucket/maryluvs_u075.gif[/img:$uid]

Heck there is no shortage to the needy kids there because its a small community public school.

We can't do bake sales anymore bacuse its now a "healthy" school and they don't want to encourage kids getting fat. No chocolate/candy or Halloween parties allowed either.

Bummed because last year we put on a "Scooperbowl" for all the kids and made them all sundaes for the last Friday of school.

I am happy that the girl is getting the Abreva she'll need (parent coordinator is gonna hook her up) and the other stuff will trickle in from caring parents.

AT this school most of the kids are from low income families, so the school gives EVERY kid all the school supplies they need...even back packs. No child has to buy one pencil or crayon.