SeventeenDayze said:

Dewrede said:

i think it's prepostorous that there's even such a thing as non smoking apartments

in the first place , frankly

ok, ok I get it, so why do you keep spamming this thread? Go to another thread and spend your energy there

What characteristic makes you above us, and in the position do decide who can and who can't give their opinion?

Or do you favor societal structures that are not open for everybody?

paniuroczy said:

I'm sorry if I sound crazy but I just wish that people didn't have to deal with any of those things like asthma or any other type of disease because I know from personal experience that those disease don't have to be real or exist in people's lives. They can be gone.

How can chronic asthma get cured?

paintedlady said:

That's the problem... everyone has the right to clean air. So if you're enjoyment makes me and my kids choke in our own home and we can't breathe because of it then it should be illegal.

I don't know why people are bringing sugar and fat consumption into this. What's this constant attack on fat people? Seriously? When was the last time someone drinking beer affected you in your living room? Or a person eating donuts fucked with YOUR health in a direct way? I don't get these bullshit comparisons. I have asthma because of my mother's smoking when I was a kid.... she drank too, but that never did a thing to me. Her smoking sure did though, and the costs of medicines and steroids in order to control asthma are expensive!! Oh did I mention asthma is a chronic condition?

Smoke seeps through stuff. So that is the equivalent of someone owning a skunk and the skunk stunk up an entire building. You smelled skunk all day, it got in your clothes and it made you short of breath all the time... imagine trying to sleep, eat, or just watch TV because your neighbor wants to keep a cute skinky skunk for his enjoyment. OK>>> now you get what non smokers have to deal with.

Sure, smoke in YOUR house/apartment.... but if that stink enters my life in any way, we are gonna have problems. I don't want your stink in my home, just like you wouldn't want the smell of my shit in yours.

Good luck with that....I don't drive but I have to breath in the pollution from drivers.

I understand you don't want secondhand smoke but then maybe this is something that needs to be taken up with your landlord about the construction/refurb of the building if it is seeping into your home. I not aware of what level of seepage cigarette smoke has, but it shouldnt be seeping through well constructed walls unless there are vents which link to other apartments or cracks in the seals on the walls etc - which would be your landlords responsibility not your neighbours.

As i said i do understand what you mean about the smell of smoke, i am a smoker but i don't like the smell of smoke lingering and only smoke in one room of my place with the window constantly open and i don't get that smoke smell in other areas of my home unless I forget and leave the door open.

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dJJ said:

Deadflow3r said:

I have a 9 year old daughter. If I eat like a pig and balloon up to 500 pounds that will not affect her health. She has to actually partake in the scoffing down of junk food. Smoking is different. If I smoke in the house and she lives in the house she will have a greater risk of getting cancer. I am not only ruining my lungs but hers as well. Eating badly and alcoholism do not affect the child's health in the moment. They may grow up to have food or alcohol issues but their liver is not being ruined while you are drinking. They are not developing type 2 diabetes because their Parents are eating way too much junk.

This is the problem with smoking. Unless you have your own home you affect your neighbors and your neighbors affect you. It is like a barking dog or loud music. If that's something you want in your life then live far enough away from other people so they don't have to live your lifestyle with you. Otherwise get use to their evil eyes and bitching.

What Genesia said was spot on. Smoke goes into your neighbors appartment. God, if smokers don't like to smell of smoke, is it so strange that non-smokers don't want to? That shit about FauxReals neighbor smoking in the f'n laundry room is enough to make me crazy. That is the kind of " I am a smoker and I love cigarettes and fuck you non-smoker just deal with it" attitude that makes me crazy.

It stinks it stinks it stinks!!!!!! My closet stank of pot and cigarettes because my downstairs neighbors smoked both a lot. Now I am living in a house with a non-smoker, THANK GOD!!!!

I beg to differ. Junk food has fats and sugars that are as addictive to a body as nicotine can be. Merely the example of drinking and eating unhealthy by parents creates a mindset for the child that it is 'okay'. There can't be any harm in it, because my parents do it. Drinking in the presence of children does set a standard.

So, allthough it doesn't effect the child's body immediately or directly, the damaging longterm and indirect effects are present.

btw: It's for arguments's sake, I'm not questioning your parental skills, I assume you know that.

I kinda said that. That is what I meant by using the word "while". Children of addicted people who abuse any substance have a greater chance of abusing that same substance when they grow up then children not exposed to an addicted individual on a regular basis. Having been a child of an alcoholic I know that. All 3 of my father's children are very careful around substances so therefore his drinking did not affect our livers. We had a choice to drink or not to drink.

When you smoke around kids they don't have a choice to breath different air. Even if they go outside when their smoking legal guardian smokes because the parental figure is too lazy to, they still have to come back into the smoke infested home and breath it in. Until they are 18 and can get away from the smoker.

Now with food that is really a totally different issue from both of the above. No, me eating nasty food does not make my daughter fat and ruin her body. However what are the chances that I am fixing starchy and fatty food for myself and healthy food for her? Usually you feed your kids what you are eating, usually. That is why you seldom see a fat kid with skinny parents. Genetics maybe, but daily habits more than likely.

(I was on food stamps for a while and fruit is expensive. My daughter always had fruit, beautiful fruit, and I left it for her. She took it to school as her snack. I would only eat the cheaper fruit like apples, bananas and peaches in season.)

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[Edited 9/5/11 5:21am]

http://www.wikihow.com/St...-Apartment

I don't know how useful this might be to some of you who are experiencing this problem, but it might be a place to start if the problem is getting really bad.

Dewrede said:

RodeoSchro said:

Tens of thousands of people die every year from second-hand smoke.

But FUCK THEM! PEOPLE GOTTA SMOKE!!!!!!!

you're being indoctrinated by the blatant lies that the non smoky lobby forces on you for their personal gain

BULLSHIT

Like I said, spend a day at M. D. Anderson Cancer Hospital with me, and let's see if at the end of the day, you still think it's bullshit.

tinaz said:

paintedlady said:

Exactly, I mentioned that also in my first post. It is always best to respect your nieghbors forst and foremost.

In my community, all rent based housing is moving towards a total non-smoking ban. They ask you now if you are a smoker before you sign a lease. Most of the apartments -whether they are income based or regular rated are all moving towards that trend.

This is new thing now with landlords and even some condo asscociations ... in my building (which is set to be remodeled in the comming year) they ask that all tenants be pet and smoke free by the time of remodel, people are being forced to move if they want to keep their pets and smoke.

So Fido is banned also.

Times are changing... Rodeoschro isn't lying about smoking becoming illgal altogether. I think it may happen in the cities because of the asthma rates and the taxpayers that have to pay for sick kids because of asthma which is outta control in the big cities. $$$$

In our complex, there are designated apartments for people with pets... I think they should do the same for smokers...

I think so too but in reverse. I think there should be a section for tenants who specifically want a "nonsmoking" section of an apartment complex. The reason I think there should be a nonsmoking section rather than a smoking section is because the areas where people are free to smoke should be a general area for both people who smoke and people who don't smoke but may have guests over from time to time that may smoke.

A smoking section wouldn't work but a strict nonsmoking section for panty wastes who are so hellbent on not ever smelling cigarette smoke would work. People have smoked for hundreds of years and people have survived second hand smoke just fine. It's just in the last 20 years that the world has given in and given the complainers a few inches, which led to a mile, and now they want to completely control other people's lives. Just looking at how things have turned out in the last 20 years, when you have a "smoking area", that doesn't work because you have some nonsmokers who still aren't happy with that and want more control. It's like their goal is to force the smokers to stop smoking altogether rather than confine them to their own section.

The solution would be to have a "nonsmoking area" instead and in this area, the rent should cost more than the rest of the complex. The rest of the complex should be a "general area" for both smokers and nonsmokers because there are some nonsmokers who aren't controlling and have friends that do smoke. If a nonsmoking tenant had a guest over to their apartment who was a smoker and that guest went outside and smoked a cigarette, the other nonsmokers would even raise hell about that. So the solution is, to have a section for nonsmokers who are soooooo obsessed with never, ever smelling even an ounce of smoke, and charging them extra rent for living in a section where it is completely strictly enforced for the luxury of never being exposed to it because never being exposed to it is a luxury considering that life is filled with things by other people that get on people's nerves. If a nonsmoker can tolerate and live with smelling smoke, then they have the choice of paying the general rent but if the nonsmoker is one of those obessed and controlling people who despise smokers and it means so much to them to never ever be exposed to smoke, then let them have the option of paying more to be to themselves and put up signs all around their area that not only is this a nonsmoking area, but the people in this section are loony toons about it and you will be arrested if you come in this area. That way, everyone is happy.

Dewrede said:

you're exaggerating ridiculously

who are you to say they can't smoke in their own home

quit bitching and let them enjoy their fag

this anti smoking thing is getting prepostorous , especially in the USA

land of the free my ass indeed

[Edited 9/4/11 18:28pm]

I've had plenty of those in my apartment also and I bet my neighbors roll their eyes at that too.

paintedlady said:

paniuroczy said:

That's the problem. You make yourself a victim to your damn asthma. Asthma doesn't exist if you don't want it to.

It has nothing to do with wishing. Like I said, people have cured their own cancer. Oh yes, asthma is way more impossible.

Like I said, everything in your body is controlled by your mind center.

I'm over here living the perfect life free of pesky problems like that and you're over there complaining about your asthma.

Complaining? No.. like I said before in almost every post .. I control my asthma attacks. I'm OK.

But um... why do you keep an addiction like cigarettes if you possess so much mind control?

Why even smoke? Kinda hypocrytical statements about needing meds and all.

You could control your adrenaline and endorphines with our mind center right? Why use any substance to trigger any high?

Don't worry about me, I don't need substances to get me a buzz to tolerate my life. I'm good.

I can understand your situation and even sympathize with it. I once shared a house with an uncle and when I found out that some of his breathing problems was related to my cigarette smoke, I smoked only on my end of the house (it was a huge house and you couldn't smell the smoke on that end of it). I payed him rent, just not near as much rent as I'd be paying in my own place, but now that I'm in my own place and pay full rent, I'm going to do what I want.

As for why even smoke or why don't we quit, it's not that easy. It's an addiction. Thank God that movies come out on DVDs only a few months after they are in a theater because I don't think I could sit two hours in a theater without a cigarette. That's just example of how strong an addiction cigarette smoking is.

There's no real solution for us smokers or nonsmokers in our lifetime because there are too many of us addicted right now. Smoking should eventually be illegal in the future but it is still a long way off. The number of smokers has decreased though and I don't think that comes from the various bans they have put in place over the last 20 years. I think it comes from the way the younger generation views smoking as opposed to the previous generations. When I was a teenager, we all started smoking because it was "cool". Well, it's no longer considered "cool" anymore and hasn't been considered "cool" in years and I think that's whey the number of smokers has decreased over the years, not from the bans and the prices going up.

When prices go up, it just makes us switch to a generic brand. Hell, I can't even do that. My Benson and Hedges Menthol have gone up to around $6.50 which is rediculous and I've been trying to convert over to Senaca Menthol with costs $3.20 and am being unsuccessful with that. I usually buy a pack of both and criss cross from one brand to the other trying to "ween" myself off the expensive brand. That just goes to show how strong the addiction is to a particular brand itself, let alone the actual act of smoking. Nonsmokers are always saying..."If they raise the price high enough that they can't afford them, they'll eventually quit"...Well, that's a lie. What will happen when that day comes, is we will either steal them or steal things to sell in order to get them. I'm not a criminal by no means but I can't say what I would or wouldn't do if it came to that because it is an addiction and a very strong one.

The solution of making smoking no longer "cool" is working. It will take a while and no we'll not see a totally nonsmoking world in our lifetime but there will be one some day. Us existing smokers will eventually die off and there are less and less new smokers these days. But I see no solution coming in our lifetime. I'm fine with the idea of eventually making smoking illegal in the distant future because it is a dangerous habit but when it comes to an all out attack on smokers in my lifetime, it's an attack on people addicted and a smoker who cannot ever have access to a cigarette feels like someone who is being denied food. I know there have been times when I've had to make a choice between buying more food or my cigarettes and I've chosen the cigarettes, the addiction is that strong.

SeventeenDayze said:

Well something else that's ironic in all of this is that the upstairs neighbor (the one I actually talked to) said that she has breast cancer and she smokes anyway. Okay, so she's terminally ill and doesn't give a crap about her health because she still smokes anyway. Perhaps this could be good for her to stop smoking and perhaps help her get better! The neighbor across the hall smokes regardless and since she's a bit wacky, I avoid her anyway.

Another twist to this---just recently, the landlord informed me that my neighbor upstair's sister is moving into the unit downstairs (it's only three levels and 6 units in this building). She is going to be using Section 8 vouchers, even though the remaining units are regular rentals. The landlord has previously asked me to be his "eyes and ears" at the building, so I routinely handle small stuff around here. Does anyone know if smoking is prohibited in section 8 rentals? If so, I'm going to make that clear to the landlord, so that he is afraid of losing that rental property voucher. Hopefully then he can put the pressure on the wacky neighbor across the hall to stop smoking and I can also inform the sister downstairs that smoking would jeopardize her rental.

For all of you saying that I'm "whining" for no reason, you ever heard or second-hand smoke or do you still think the world is flat?

What part of the word "addiction" can you not understand? It's not that she doesn't give a damn about her health, she is addicted to cigarettes. Stop eating and see if you can do it. I'm not talking about cutting back on eating, I'm talking about stop eating completely and see if you could do it. That's how she would feel if she couldn't have a cigarette.

Maybe she could kick the habit and maybe she couldn't. Some are successful and some aren't. Maybe she has given up and thinks she is going to die soon and would rather spend her remaining time on earth doing as she pleases rather than being miserable craving a cigarette all the time.

Neophyte said:

http://www.wikihow.com/St...-Apartment

I don't know how useful this might be to some of you who are experiencing this problem, but it might be a place to start if the problem is getting really bad.

Neo, thank you VERY much for this article. The tips on it are excellent and I will be doing these. Thankfully, since this building is 90 years old, there are no air vents, so that's a big help but the smoke comes through in other ways...such as electrical outlets, which I will asked to be sealed ASAP

vainandy said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Well something else that's ironic in all of this is that the upstairs neighbor (the one I actually talked to) said that she has breast cancer and she smokes anyway. Okay, so she's terminally ill and doesn't give a crap about her health because she still smokes anyway. Perhaps this could be good for her to stop smoking and perhaps help her get better! The neighbor across the hall smokes regardless and since she's a bit wacky, I avoid her anyway.

Another twist to this---just recently, the landlord informed me that my neighbor upstair's sister is moving into the unit downstairs (it's only three levels and 6 units in this building). She is going to be using Section 8 vouchers, even though the remaining units are regular rentals. The landlord has previously asked me to be his "eyes and ears" at the building, so I routinely handle small stuff around here. Does anyone know if smoking is prohibited in section 8 rentals? If so, I'm going to make that clear to the landlord, so that he is afraid of losing that rental property voucher. Hopefully then he can put the pressure on the wacky neighbor across the hall to stop smoking and I can also inform the sister downstairs that smoking would jeopardize her rental.

For all of you saying that I'm "whining" for no reason, you ever heard or second-hand smoke or do you still think the world is flat?

What part of the word "addiction" can you not understand? It's not that she doesn't give a damn about her health, she is addicted to cigarettes. Stop eating and see if you can do it. I'm not talking about cutting back on eating, I'm talking about stop eating completely and see if you could do it. That's how she would feel if she couldn't have a cigarette.

Maybe she could kick the habit and maybe she couldn't. Some are successful and some aren't. Maybe she has given up and thinks she is going to die soon and would rather spend her remaining time on earth doing as she pleases rather than being miserable craving a cigarette all the time.

Just because she doesn't care enough to fight her addiction doesn't mean she has to tread on me with her second hand smoke. What part of "kick the habit" do you not understand? Comparing smoking (which does NOT lead to death if you stop) is NOT the same as not eating (which WILL lead to death).

Whatever, I think some smokers are jealous of non-smokers because they're not addicted to the habit that even prevents them from going without a cigarette for the duration of a movie....

I think it's irresponsible of her to smoke while having cancer and her disregard for it is shown in her inaction....if you want something badly enough you make it happen.

dJJ said:

paniuroczy said:

The reason that smokers are not as likely to get sick is because they are not worried. Negative and worrying thoughts are 100012893028X more detrimental to your health than cigarettes. It's mind over matter, what goes on in your mind affects your body and your wellbeing in every single way. You change your deep subconscious beliefs so that you are not affected by cigarettes but since so many people are trained to believe in the 'negative' and 'deadly' effects of smoking, then they are going to suffer from those beliefs. You have way more control over your reality than you realize but sadly too little people know this. You can get rid of your asthma but we are trained by society to believe we don't have control over these things.

No. That's irrational. If that would be true, people could think cancer away. It's not possible. This is a theory that is potentially dangerous because it can refrain people from attaining effective medical care, because they believe they can influence material with their mind.

And it's a very bad argument, you'r weakening your case, darling. If I were you, for the sake of the argument, I would take that back. Because it is irrelevant, not true potential harmful and insulting to those who suffer from diseases like lung cancer/copd/astma. Those illnesses are real and patients aren't sick because they didn't 'think' the right way!

Nobody should skip any medical treatment for their conditions but they have the ability to affect their conditions themselves. Rationality is not everything. Only half of our brains work rationally why do we ignore the other half? There are centers in your brain that controls everything in your body and how they work and they could be accessed. How do you know it's not possible, have you tried it? We once as a world thought the world was flat, have you ever even slightly considered other possibilities?

Our consciousness is proven to have the most powerful energy ever discovered.

SeventeenDayze said:

vainandy said:

What part of the word "addiction" can you not understand? It's not that she doesn't give a damn about her health, she is addicted to cigarettes. Stop eating and see if you can do it. I'm not talking about cutting back on eating, I'm talking about stop eating completely and see if you could do it. That's how she would feel if she couldn't have a cigarette.

Maybe she could kick the habit and maybe she couldn't. Some are successful and some aren't. Maybe she has given up and thinks she is going to die soon and would rather spend her remaining time on earth doing as she pleases rather than being miserable craving a cigarette all the time.

Just because she doesn't care enough to fight her addiction doesn't mean she has to tread on me with her second hand smoke. What part of "kick the habit" do you not understand? Comparing smoking (which does NOT lead to death if you stop) is NOT the same as not eating (which WILL lead to death).

Whatever, I think some smokers are jealous of non-smokers because they're not addicted to the habit that even prevents them from going without a cigarette for the duration of a movie....

I think it's irresponsible of her to smoke while having cancer and her disregard for it is shown in her inaction....if you want something badly enough you make it happen.

Just like you say you can't afford to move, she probably can't afford to move either. It's an imperfect world and we all have to live with the imperfections of others to survive. Just like you have a complaint about her, I'm sure one of your neighbors may have some sort of complaint about you also. That's life.

And no, smokers aren't jealous of nonsmokers. It appears to be the other way around to me. We aren't the ones trying to dictate to others how to live their lives, even in their own homes. I knew when smoking and nonsmoking sections first started appearing in public places, that the whiney little panty waists wouldn't be happy until we couldn't smoke in public period and now we are down to their real goal now...to stop people from smoking even in their own homes. I knew it was a control issue all along rather than a health issue. They just can't stand to see people smoking no matter where it is. I've seen nonsmokers look out the window at smokers way off in the distance and complain. They hate the sight of it. It's about control with them. I'm polite and respect nonsmokers wishes (well, more like tolerate their wishes) in public, but I be damned if some asshole is going to tell me to stop smoking in my home. I've got an ass behind me and they kiss it if they don't like it.

If a nonsmoker wants the luxury of living in an absolutely "perfect" apartment, then they can pay for that luxury at a higher priced building because the world is not perfect and the closer you want to make it perfect, you have to pay for it. There is stuff that my neighbors do also that gets on my nerves sometimes but I tolerate it. You either tolerate it or find a more expensive place to live.

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dJJ said:

SeventeenDayze said:

ok, ok I get it, so why do you keep spamming this thread? Go to another thread and spend your energy there

What characteristic makes you above us, and in the position do decide who can and who can't give their opinion?

Or do you favor societal structures that are not open for everybody?

exactly

vainandy said:

I can understand your situation and even sympathize with it. I once shared a house with an uncle and when I found out that some of his breathing problems was related to my cigarette smoke, I smoked only on my end of the house (it was a huge house and you couldn't smell the smoke on that end of it). I payed him rent, just not near as much rent as I'd be paying in my own place, but now that I'm in my own place and pay full rent, I'm going to do what I want.

As for why even smoke or why don't we quit, it's not that easy. It's an addiction. Thank God that movies come out on DVDs only a few months after they are in a theater because I don't think I could sit two hours in a theater without a cigarette. That's just example of how strong an addiction cigarette smoking is.

There's no real solution for us smokers or nonsmokers in our lifetime because there are too many of us addicted right now. Smoking should eventually be illegal in the future but it is still a long way off. The number of smokers has decreased though and I don't think that comes from the various bans they have put in place over the last 20 years. I think it comes from the way the younger generation views smoking as opposed to the previous generations. When I was a teenager, we all started smoking because it was "cool". Well, it's no longer considered "cool" anymore and hasn't been considered "cool" in years and I think that's whey the number of smokers has decreased over the years, not from the bans and the prices going up.

When prices go up, it just makes us switch to a generic brand. Hell, I can't even do that. My Benson and Hedges Menthol have gone up to around $6.50 which is rediculous and I've been trying to convert over to Senaca Menthol with costs $3.20 and am being unsuccessful with that. I usually buy a pack of both and criss cross from one brand to the other trying to "ween" myself off the expensive brand. That just goes to show how strong the addiction is to a particular brand itself, let alone the actual act of smoking. Nonsmokers are always saying..."If they raise the price high enough that they can't afford them, they'll eventually quit"...Well, that's a lie. What will happen when that day comes, is we will either steal them or steal things to sell in order to get them. I'm not a criminal by no means but I can't say what I would or wouldn't do if it came to that because it is an addiction and a very strong one.

The solution of making smoking no longer "cool" is working. It will take a while and no we'll not see a totally nonsmoking world in our lifetime but there will be one some day. Us existing smokers will eventually die off and there are less and less new smokers these days. But I see no solution coming in our lifetime. I'm fine with the idea of eventually making smoking illegal in the distant future because it is a dangerous habit but when it comes to an all out attack on smokers in my lifetime, it's an attack on people addicted and a smoker who cannot ever have access to a cigarette feels like someone who is being denied food. I know there have been times when I've had to make a choice between buying more food or my cigarettes and I've chosen the cigarettes, the addiction is that strong.

This is why I adore you Vain... you are honest. You get your points across without the need to slam others with your opinion.

I understand a smoker's need to smoke. It is an addiction, and companies put chemicals in these cigaretts in order to make your body become QUICKLY and severely addicted. I commend any person who tries to quit and eventually does so.

I would only compare cirgarettes to corn syrup/sugar because both contain properties to make people become and stay addicted. Both are readily available in any store. Both are poisons to the body. So people who are real about their situation, I totally have compassion for people who understand they are addicted and do not deny it. My mom smoked a minimum of 3 packs a day. I am glad she quit because she was a total mess when she couldn't smoke. Its insane to think/say that people buy them because they just want to and can quit when ever they will it. I see what smoking does the the smoker and its not cute either.

There are fewer smokers now, and I am glad because I like to know people are not hooked on something so unhealthy for them and those around them. As for housing... everyone has a right to housing. Everyone has a right to a good quality of life in there homes or where they choose to rent. So I am glad the smokers in my building can smoke without effecting me in any way. It all comes down t respecting others around you.

Stay healthy Vain, I wouldn't mind having you as a neighbor.

vainandy said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Just because she doesn't care enough to fight her addiction doesn't mean she has to tread on me with her second hand smoke. What part of "kick the habit" do you not understand? Comparing smoking (which does NOT lead to death if you stop) is NOT the same as not eating (which WILL lead to death).

Whatever, I think some smokers are jealous of non-smokers because they're not addicted to the habit that even prevents them from going without a cigarette for the duration of a movie....

I think it's irresponsible of her to smoke while having cancer and her disregard for it is shown in her inaction....if you want something badly enough you make it happen.

Just like you say you can't afford to move, she probably can't afford to move either. It's an imperfect world and we all have to live with the imperfections of others to survive. Just like you have a complaint about her, I'm sure one of your neighbors may have some sort of complaint about you also. That's life.

And no, smokers aren't jealous of nonsmokers. It appears to be the other way around to me. We aren't the ones trying to dictate to others how to live their lives, even in their own homes. I knew when smoking and nonsmoking sections first started appearing in public places, that the whiney little panty waists wouldn't be happy until we couldn't smoke in public period and now we are down to their real goal now...to stop people from smoking even in their own homes. I knew it was a control issue all along rather than a health issue. They just can't stand to see people smoking no matter where it is. I've seen nonsmokers look out the window at smokers way off in the distance and complain. They hate the sight of it. It's about control with them. I'm polite and respect nonsmokers wishes (well, more like tolerate their wishes) in public, but I be damned if some asshole is going to tell me to stop smoking in my home. I've got an ass behind me and they kiss it if they don't like it.

If a nonsmoker wants the luxury of living in an absolutely "perfect" apartment, then they can pay for that luxury at a higher priced building because the world is not perfect and the closer you want to make it perfect, you have to pay for it. There is stuff that my neighbors do also that gets on my nerves sometimes but I tolerate it. You either tolerate it or find a more expensive place to live.

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If you want to ruin your health, feel free but don't put me at risk with your stupid habit. Anything I do here in this apartment doesn't involve anything that puts the other tenants HEALTH at risk. THAT is the difference. Anyway, I'm not responding anymore to any of your comments because you came here to bash me as a non-smoker and I didn't start this thread. I am only interested in comments from people who can come up with solutions, NOT judge me because I choose to be healthy and can't stand 2nd hand smoke.

SeventeenDayze said:

vainandy said:

Just like you say you can't afford to move, she probably can't afford to move either. It's an imperfect world and we all have to live with the imperfections of others to survive. Just like you have a complaint about her, I'm sure one of your neighbors may have some sort of complaint about you also. That's life.

And no, smokers aren't jealous of nonsmokers. It appears to be the other way around to me. We aren't the ones trying to dictate to others how to live their lives, even in their own homes. I knew when smoking and nonsmoking sections first started appearing in public places, that the whiney little panty waists wouldn't be happy until we couldn't smoke in public period and now we are down to their real goal now...to stop people from smoking even in their own homes. I knew it was a control issue all along rather than a health issue. They just can't stand to see people smoking no matter where it is. I've seen nonsmokers look out the window at smokers way off in the distance and complain. They hate the sight of it. It's about control with them. I'm polite and respect nonsmokers wishes (well, more like tolerate their wishes) in public, but I be damned if some asshole is going to tell me to stop smoking in my home. I've got an ass behind me and they kiss it if they don't like it.

If a nonsmoker wants the luxury of living in an absolutely "perfect" apartment, then they can pay for that luxury at a higher priced building because the world is not perfect and the closer you want to make it perfect, you have to pay for it. There is stuff that my neighbors do also that gets on my nerves sometimes but I tolerate it. You either tolerate it or find a more expensive place to live.

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If you want to ruin your health, feel free but don't put me at risk with your stupid habit. Anything I do here in this apartment doesn't involve anything that puts the other tenants HEALTH at risk. THAT is the difference. Anyway, I'm not responding anymore to any of your comments because you came here to bash me as a non-smoker and I didn't start this thread. I am only interested in comments from people who can come up with solutions, NOT judge me because I choose to be healthy and can't stand 2nd hand smoke.

He wasn't bashing you. He respectfully expressed his opinions and thoughts on this manner.

It seems as smoking is banned in more and more places, people are becoming more and more aware that they don't like it around them.

It's tricky because people should have the right to smoke (it's a legal drug after all), and yet, it can intrude on other's lives & health. Sort of like noise, I guess.

I was reading about some place that had laws about smoking in your own apartment if that smoke was going into someone else's apartment. Not sure what the status is on that law or where it was, but it's pretty interesting.

paniuroczy said:

dJJ said:

No. That's irrational. If that would be true, people could think cancer away. It's not possible. This is a theory that is potentially dangerous because it can refrain people from attaining effective medical care, because they believe they can influence material with their mind.

And it's a very bad argument, you'r weakening your case, darling. If I were you, for the sake of the argument, I would take that back. Because it is irrelevant, not true potential harmful and insulting to those who suffer from diseases like lung cancer/copd/astma. Those illnesses are real and patients aren't sick because they didn't 'think' the right way!

Nobody should skip any medical treatment for their conditions but they have the ability to affect their conditions themselves. Rationality is not everything. Only half of our brains work rationally why do we ignore the other half? There are centers in your brain that controls everything in your body and how they work and they could be accessed. How do you know it's not possible, have you tried it? We once as a world thought the world was flat, have you ever even slightly considered other possibilities?

Our consciousness is proven to have the most powerful energy ever discovered.

Can you refer a report on those statements that are, by objective standards accesable for everyone and not ambigues by any means?

Because if so, you are genious and have solved a major phenomenon that hasn't been undisputedly agreed upon and solved by the most intelligent and independent brains that ever existed.

paintedlady said:

vainandy said:

I can understand your situation and even sympathize with it. I once shared a house with an uncle and when I found out that some of his breathing problems was related to my cigarette smoke, I smoked only on my end of the house (it was a huge house and you couldn't smell the smoke on that end of it). I payed him rent, just not near as much rent as I'd be paying in my own place, but now that I'm in my own place and pay full rent, I'm going to do what I want.

As for why even smoke or why don't we quit, it's not that easy. It's an addiction. Thank God that movies come out on DVDs only a few months after they are in a theater because I don't think I could sit two hours in a theater without a cigarette. That's just example of how strong an addiction cigarette smoking is.

There's no real solution for us smokers or nonsmokers in our lifetime because there are too many of us addicted right now. Smoking should eventually be illegal in the future but it is still a long way off. The number of smokers has decreased though and I don't think that comes from the various bans they have put in place over the last 20 years. I think it comes from the way the younger generation views smoking as opposed to the previous generations. When I was a teenager, we all started smoking because it was "cool". Well, it's no longer considered "cool" anymore and hasn't been considered "cool" in years and I think that's whey the number of smokers has decreased over the years, not from the bans and the prices going up.

When prices go up, it just makes us switch to a generic brand. Hell, I can't even do that. My Benson and Hedges Menthol have gone up to around $6.50 which is rediculous and I've been trying to convert over to Senaca Menthol with costs $3.20 and am being unsuccessful with that. I usually buy a pack of both and criss cross from one brand to the other trying to "ween" myself off the expensive brand. That just goes to show how strong the addiction is to a particular brand itself, let alone the actual act of smoking. Nonsmokers are always saying..."If they raise the price high enough that they can't afford them, they'll eventually quit"...Well, that's a lie. What will happen when that day comes, is we will either steal them or steal things to sell in order to get them. I'm not a criminal by no means but I can't say what I would or wouldn't do if it came to that because it is an addiction and a very strong one.

The solution of making smoking no longer "cool" is working. It will take a while and no we'll not see a totally nonsmoking world in our lifetime but there will be one some day. Us existing smokers will eventually die off and there are less and less new smokers these days. But I see no solution coming in our lifetime. I'm fine with the idea of eventually making smoking illegal in the distant future because it is a dangerous habit but when it comes to an all out attack on smokers in my lifetime, it's an attack on people addicted and a smoker who cannot ever have access to a cigarette feels like someone who is being denied food. I know there have been times when I've had to make a choice between buying more food or my cigarettes and I've chosen the cigarettes, the addiction is that strong.

This is why I adore you Vain... you are honest. You get your points across without the need to slam others with your opinion.

I understand a smoker's need to smoke. It is an addiction, and companies put chemicals in these cigaretts in order to make your body become QUICKLY and severely addicted. I commend any person who tries to quit and eventually does so.

I would only compare cirgarettes to corn syrup/sugar because both contain properties to make people become and stay addicted. Both are readily available in any store. Both are poisons to the body. So people who are real about their situation, I totally have compassion for people who understand they are addicted and do not deny it. My mom smoked a minimum of 3 packs a day. I am glad she quit because she was a total mess when she couldn't smoke. Its insane to think/say that people buy them because they just want to and can quit when ever they will it. I see what smoking does the the smoker and its not cute either.

There are fewer smokers now, and I am glad because I like to know people are not hooked on something so unhealthy for them and those around them. As for housing... everyone has a right to housing. Everyone has a right to a good quality of life in there homes or where they choose to rent. So I am glad the smokers in my building can smoke without effecting me in any way. It all comes down t respecting others around you.

Stay healthy Vain, I wouldn't mind having you as a neighbor.

Thank you. Most of us started smoking during our teen years for immature reasons such as peer pressure and trying to be "cool" and once that addiction kicks in, it's no longer a matter of trying to be cool, it's a matter of trying to satisfying the addiction.

Since times have changed and smoking laws have changed, that doesn't mean that our addiction simply magically goes away. Most of us compromise and go outside when smoking in public. We started out smoking in our own smoking sections in restaurants and that worked fine for years until people started complaining about the smoke traveling to the other side of the room. I can understand that complaint and in some situations in particular restaurants, I can see why there would be no smoking in that restaurant.

However, over the years of the "smoking section" in restaurants, I have observed many instances of nonsmokers being totally rediculous with their complaints and their "controlling" side starts to really show. For instance, in one restaurant, the smoking section was not even in the same room as the nonsmoking section. Way at the end of the restaurant, down a hall by the restrooms, the smoking section was at the end of that hall and it even had a door that led to it. I used to see people coming out of the restroom with that fake cough they have. Oh, there is a fake cough out there that a lot of nonsmokers use just to be bitchy even if they smell one ounce of smoke. You can tell it's a fake cough because it doesn't sound like a real cough. I'm a smoker honey so I can show you a real cough if you want to hear one. Then, they just have to make their little comments for everyone to hear..."They just need to ban smoking altogether because nobody wants to smell that shit"....Well duh, the bitch just came from the restroom where people are actually shitting but yet she complains that she can smell a tiny little bit of smoke in a completely different room separated by a wall and a door? Hell, I can remember being at home and going to the restroom. My mother, who was a nonsmoker, used to see me headed towards the restroom and she would always say...."If you're going to shit in there, take a cigarette with you because I'd rather smell that smoke than your shit".

Then there was another restaurant that had a smoking section way at the end of the building down an extremely long hallway. This was a restaurant/bar that had a brewery on one end and the smoking section used to be in the brewery. Right outside the brewery was an outdoor patio which was also a smoking section. I came in there for lunch one day and the waiter took me to the area at the front of the restaurant by the cash register. I told him I wanted the smoking section and he said that after the nice Fall weather we had been having, the nonsmokers wanted to sit outdoors on the patio and eat. They wanted to be outdoors (where smokers go to smoke) so they could enjoy that lovely weather but didn't want to tolerate no smoke. Then the son of a bitches had the nerve to do that fake cough when paying at the cash register where the smokers were. It just goes to show who was willing to compromise and who wasn't. We had sat outside in that hot ass heat all summer long eating and enjoying our cigarette afterwards but let the weather become pleasant, then the nonsmokers want that area and then have the nerve to complain about where we're placed.

Then, even newer laws come into effect that ban smoking altogether in public places, even down to nightclubs of all places. Hell, when you're drinking, that's when you really need a cigarette. Hell, I chain smoke when I'm drinking. Now, they want to complain that you need to be so many feet away from the building and want to bring some type of law into effect for that. It's the old "Give them an inch and they'll take a mile" thing as the way I see it. They know good and damn well that they can live with smelling that little bit of smoke for five seconds as they walk to their car. They just despise smokers so much that they don't want to see them period. It's totally about control. I know there have been times at work when there might be a lot of people from the general public around and I would go to the alley all the way behind the building to hide and smoke and I be damned if some nonsmoker would happen to find me and walk by and say something shitty. There's no pleasing them. I'm back hiding in an area that only cats know about but yet they still have a problem with it. Like I said before, it's very clear that there is a control issue on a lot of their parts.

So when we start hearing things like neighbors complaining about us smoking in our own apartments, we really come out swinging because we have compromised to hell and back and now somebody wants to stop us from smoking in our own home.

Most of us are not bad people but we do have an addiction and some of us, myself included, can say some really nasty things when our backs are against the wall, feel like we're being attacked, or feel like someone is trying to control our lives. There are extremes on both sides of the fence and the bitch that smoked in the apartment laundry room was just a trifling bitch with no respect for anyone else and needs a switch taken to her ass. She knew she could have walked outside and smoked while her clothes washed. That reminds me of a trifling neighbor of mine who comes home and parks in everyone's parking space but his own....and his own is only two or three spaces down. Some people are just trifling that way.

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vainandy said:

paintedlady said:

This is why I adore you Vain...

Thank you.

Both of you are so reasonable and have a great contribution to the org!

SeventeenDayze said:

vainandy said:

Just like you say you can't afford to move, she probably can't afford to move either. It's an imperfect world and we all have to live with the imperfections of others to survive. Just like you have a complaint about her, I'm sure one of your neighbors may have some sort of complaint about you also. That's life.

And no, smokers aren't jealous of nonsmokers. It appears to be the other way around to me. We aren't the ones trying to dictate to others how to live their lives, even in their own homes. I knew when smoking and nonsmoking sections first started appearing in public places, that the whiney little panty waists wouldn't be happy until we couldn't smoke in public period and now we are down to their real goal now...to stop people from smoking even in their own homes. I knew it was a control issue all along rather than a health issue. They just can't stand to see people smoking no matter where it is. I've seen nonsmokers look out the window at smokers way off in the distance and complain. They hate the sight of it. It's about control with them. I'm polite and respect nonsmokers wishes (well, more like tolerate their wishes) in public, but I be damned if some asshole is going to tell me to stop smoking in my home. I've got an ass behind me and they kiss it if they don't like it.

If a nonsmoker wants the luxury of living in an absolutely "perfect" apartment, then they can pay for that luxury at a higher priced building because the world is not perfect and the closer you want to make it perfect, you have to pay for it. There is stuff that my neighbors do also that gets on my nerves sometimes but I tolerate it. You either tolerate it or find a more expensive place to live.

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If you want to ruin your health, feel free but don't put me at risk with your stupid habit. Anything I do here in this apartment doesn't involve anything that puts the other tenants HEALTH at risk. THAT is the difference. Anyway, I'm not responding anymore to any of your comments because you came here to bash me as a non-smoker and I didn't start this thread. I am only interested in comments from people who can come up with solutions, NOT judge me because I choose to be healthy and can't stand 2nd hand smoke.

If you felt your health was truly at risk, you wouldn't continue to live there whether you could afford to move or not. If your apartment was overrun by snakes, I bet you wouldn't enter it. And if you called someone and got them out but they continued to come back, I bet your ass would move quick, fast, and in a hurry. You don't feel that your health is that much at risk smelling it through an entire wall or you wouldn't continue to stay there no matter how cheap it is. You just want to bitch about it because it's the "in" thing to do these days.

And I have offered solutions such as nonsmoking apartments that cost a little more than apartments for the general public but you don't want to hear that because you don't want to pay a little more for a luxury of living in a perfect world. And as for you "not responding to me anymore", that's the typical nonsmoker with the fake cough response to smokers who have compromised over the years and try to give suggestions yet to receive the attitude from nonsmokers such as...."We don't care if the smoking section is in Alaska, we want smoking banned altogether".

tinaz said:

RodeoSchro said:

I'm a big believer in faith, but somehow I don't think I can believe my eyes into turning from brown to blue!

Of course, she's going to say the "I don't think" part is the problem.

Im goin for the nose job myself

I can ssseeeeeee my boobs getting bigger and my ass getting smaller. I can sssseeeeeee my boobs getting bigger and my ass getting smaller. I can sssseeeeeee my boobs getting bigger and my ass getting smaller...

Dewrede said:

RodeoSchro said:

Tens of thousands of people die every year from second-hand smoke.

But FUCK THEM! PEOPLE GOTTA SMOKE!!!!!!!

you're being indoctrinated by the blatant lies that the non smoky lobby forces on you for their personal gain

BULLSHIT

Y'know...your posts on this thread about cigarettes not being poison are hilarious - considering your belief that meat is.

I guess it really is true that one man's meat is another man's poison, huh?

I question whether people really do die of secondhand smoke or not.

dJJ said:

paniuroczy said:

Nobody should skip any medical treatment for their conditions but they have the ability to affect their conditions themselves. Rationality is not everything. Only half of our brains work rationally why do we ignore the other half? There are centers in your brain that controls everything in your body and how they work and they could be accessed. How do you know it's not possible, have you tried it? We once as a world thought the world was flat, have you ever even slightly considered other possibilities?

Our consciousness is proven to have the most powerful energy ever discovered.

Can you refer a report on those statements that are, by objective standards accesable for everyone and not ambigues by any means?

Because if so, you are genious and have solved a major phenomenon that hasn't been undisputedly agreed upon and solved by the most intelligent and independent brains that ever existed.

I am no genius . I learn from people and I have done tons of research. Ever heard of the placebo affect? Our mind has incredible influence on our bodies and lives. This is no fantasy and countless great minds throughout our history, ones you know about, have said this. Great philosophers, great thinkers, people from ancient times to today. But people are constantly looking at the surface. Stuff like this is even mentioned in religious scriptures. The point is not to 'think' anything away. Thinking has nothing to do with it. You have to feel and completely believe that these changes are real or currently happening. This works because of how our brain activity works. There is significant scientific evidence that the imagining or total belief in an experience (that is not necessarily true) stimulates the visual cortex, which is the same exact region of the brain that is activated by ACTUAL experience. Once you stimulate the brain with imagery, this has a completely direct effect on the nervous and endocrine systems, and this affects the immune system. So in terms of brain activity, picturing something and the actual experience of that thing are exactly the same. Basically, you have to become 'delusional'; reality is alterable by your perception, even physical reality.

This is possible also because, while many people don't know, you have brain cells floating all around in your body. Your intelligence doesn't only exist in your head, you have consciousness in other body parts. So why does it seem so impossible and ridiculous that you can make physical changes with consciousness? Why is it so crazy to people? People on this thread are laughing but they don't even know how their brains and how their consciousness works. The mind and body are actually proven to be of each other. They exist in each other. Science studies both the body and mind seperately because science studies things in parts, but they cannot be truly seperated.

There are actual studies and real evidence as to the things I am talking about here. It sounds ridiculous but if I'm crazy for this then I am absolutely not the only one.

http://bit.ly/1EMoTc

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http://bit.ly/q6Z0wA

http://buswk.co/aQGJoj

I've actually digged up scriptures and stuff that has information regarding this too but I can't get to it now, maybe later I'll do it if you're really interested.

I highlighted the most interesting/informative sites. This is all I have for now but there is quite a lot of stuff floating around the web on this. The most notable person that studies this subject right now is Bruce Lipton. I haven't read his book but I think he is the greatest and most upfront person to study from today if anyone is actually interested.

There is nothing to be scared of. People are only scared of what they don't know or what they don't understand. There is nothing dangerous about this either.

NDRU said:

I question whether people really do die of secondhand smoke or not.

I could see it happening in extreme cases such as a nonsmoker living in the same house with several smokers for years and years with all them them smoking at once on a daily basis. But you better believe if even one person dies from it, a lot of nonsmokers are going to act as if five seconds of exposure to smoke will kill them.

Genesia said:

Dewrede said:

you're being indoctrinated by the blatant lies that the non smoky lobby forces on you for their personal gain

BULLSHIT

Y'know...your posts on this thread about cigarettes not being poison are hilarious - considering your belief that meat is.

I guess it really is true that one man's meat is another man's poison, huh?

i never said that

i said eating meat is murder

and i don't see how that is relevant to this topic in any way