paintedlady said:

Fair enough, but if you bothered to pay attention to my posts... you would see that I did NOT complain about my beighbors. My asthma is under control and I manage just fine.

I don't appreciate people saying shit in in my head though. My diease is very real and smoking is a real problem and many are addicted. You may not be in the USA and buy the same types of brands people do here. Different companies, different ingredients.

Its good you have a handle on all your issues though... good for you young jedi.

Thank you .

&No, I live in the US, yes there are plenty of brands here, no, not as much as Egypt but cigarettes are cigarettes. It doesn't make a difference.

Yes, unfortunately many are addicted. I presonally had some family who are addicted. It's terrible, but like I said, the damage is truly caused by inner conflict and that is the real problem. Unfortunately not many people realize that they can control that and be free of those addictions while still enjoying those things like cigarettes, alcohol, whatever etc.

I'm sorry if I sound crazy but I just wish that people didn't have to deal with any of those things like asthma or any other type of disease because I know from personal experience that those disease don't have to be real or exist in people's lives. They can be gone.

RodeoSchro said:

Vendetta1 said:

Some of the shit on this thread is ridiculous.

I'm a big believer in faith, but somehow I don't think I can believe my eyes into turning from brown to blue!

Of course, she's going to say the "I don't think" part is the problem.

I have no desire to change the way I was born and if some people want to believe such things, good on them but to pass it off as fact is ridiculous and dangerous.

tinaz said:

RodeoSchro said:

I'm a big believer in faith, but somehow I don't think I can believe my eyes into turning from brown to blue!

Of course, she's going to say the "I don't think" part is the problem.

Im goin for the nose job myself

You guys are making my stomach hurt.

tinaz said:

RodeoSchro said:

I'm a big believer in faith, but somehow I don't think I can believe my eyes into turning from brown to blue!

Of course, she's going to say the "I don't think" part is the problem.

Im goin for the nose job myself

Vendetta1 said:

tinaz said:

Im goin for the nose job myself

You guys are making my stomach hurt.

paniuroczy said:

paintedlady said:

Fair enough, but if you bothered to pay attention to my posts... you would see that I did NOT complain about my beighbors. My asthma is under control and I manage just fine.

I don't appreciate people saying shit in in my head though. My diease is very real and smoking is a real problem and many are addicted. You may not be in the USA and buy the same types of brands people do here. Different companies, different ingredients.

Its good you have a handle on all your issues though... good for you young jedi.

Thank you .

&No, I live in the US, yes there are plenty of brands here, no, not as much as Egypt but cigarettes are cigarettes. It doesn't make a difference.

Yes, unfortunately many are addicted. I presonally had some family who are addicted. It's terrible, but like I said, the damage is truly caused by inner conflict and that is the real problem. Unfortunately not many people realize that they can control that and be free of those addictions while still enjoying those things like cigarettes, alcohol, whatever etc.

I'm sorry if I sound crazy but I just wish that people didn't have to deal with any of those things like asthma or any other type of disease because I know from personal experience that those disease don't have to be real or exist in people's lives. They can be gone.

Vendetta1 said:

paniuroczy said:

Thank you .

&No, I live in the US, yes there are plenty of brands here, no, not as much as Egypt but cigarettes are cigarettes. It doesn't make a difference.

Yes, unfortunately many are addicted. I presonally had some family who are addicted. It's terrible, but like I said, the damage is truly caused by inner conflict and that is the real problem. Unfortunately not many people realize that they can control that and be free of those addictions while still enjoying those things like cigarettes, alcohol, whatever etc.

I'm sorry if I sound crazy but I just wish that people didn't have to deal with any of those things like asthma or any other type of disease because I know from personal experience that those disease don't have to be real or exist in people's lives. They can be gone.

RodeoSchro said:

Dewrede said:

frankly i think it's all in your head

the anti smoking lobby has brainwashed you completely

Come spend a day with me at M. D. Anderson Cancer Hospital and I bet you change your mind about that.

And it is especially sad when the person with the lung cancer wasn't the smoker but one who lived with a smoker.

smoothcriminal12 said:

Vendetta1 said:

The comedy writes itself on this site.

Vendetta1 said:

paniuroczy said:

Thank you .

&No, I live in the US, yes there are plenty of brands here, no, not as much as Egypt but cigarettes are cigarettes. It doesn't make a difference.

Yes, unfortunately many are addicted. I presonally had some family who are addicted. It's terrible, but like I said, the damage is truly caused by inner conflict and that is the real problem. Unfortunately not many people realize that they can control that and be free of those addictions while still enjoying those things like cigarettes, alcohol, whatever etc.

I'm sorry if I sound crazy but I just wish that people didn't have to deal with any of those things like asthma or any other type of disease because I know from personal experience that those disease don't have to be real or exist in people's lives. They can be gone.

Vendetta1 said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

The comedy writes itself on this site.

Ain't that the truth.

Deadflow3r said:

RodeoSchro said:

Come spend a day with me at M. D. Anderson Cancer Hospital and I bet you change your mind about that.

And it is especially sad when the person with the lung cancer wasn't the smoker but one who lived with a smoker.

Oh get out of here. The org says that type of stuff doesn't happen.

Vendetta1 said:

Deadflow3r said:

And it is especially sad when the person with the lung cancer wasn't the smoker but one who lived with a smoker.

Oh get out of here. The org says that type of stuff doesn't happen.

Your eyes are getting bluer by the minute.

Deadflow3r said:

RodeoSchro said:

Come spend a day with me at M. D. Anderson Cancer Hospital and I bet you change your mind about that.

And it is especially sad when the person with the lung cancer wasn't the smoker but one who lived with a smoker.

Tens of thousands of people die every year from second-hand smoke.

But FUCK THEM! PEOPLE GOTTA SMOKE!!!!!!!

Deadflow3r said:

Vendetta1 said:

Oh get out of here. The org says that type of stuff doesn't happen.

Your eyes are getting bluer by the minute.

Deadflow3r said:

Vendetta1 said:

Oh get out of here. The org says that type of stuff doesn't happen.

Your eyes are getting bluer by the minute.

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RodeoSchro said:

Deadflow3r said:

And it is especially sad when the person with the lung cancer wasn't the smoker but one who lived with a smoker.

Tens of thousands of people die every year from second-hand smoke.

But FUCK THEM! PEOPLE GOTTA SMOKE!!!!!!!

o my god!

SeventeenDayze said:

Unfortunately, both my neighbor across the hall and above me are smokers. In spite of the complaints to the landlord and a sign in the hallway that says smoking is prohibited in the building, they have started smoking indoors again. I cannot afford to move and I'm really sick of the smell. I have talked to the neighbor above me and she at first tried to say it was coming from the next building over (stupid considering the unit is VACANT!). I have complained to the landlord but he's not really involved in resolving the issue. What should I do? Should I buy air fresheners and put them in a box and write "free air fresheners" above the box? If I knew which smell irritated the hell out of my neighbors I would make sure I had that smell going 24/7!

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its a complex subject because nicotine weaves itself into one's brain and becomes intertwined with pleasure neurotransmission, so all that people who rely on nicotine hear is that you're trying to take away their right to be happy. but i've read about taking nutritional supplements so one can chelate out the toxins in one's brain, so that it can have the chance to produce the joy neurotransmitters it was made to produce on its own. true, driving a car produces more toxins, but we don't idle our cars in our houses, but have designated areas called roads and parking lots. it's right that you have confronted your neighbors -- now it's on their head and they will have increasingly bad luck until they decide to care about your right to breathe -- i see it happen all the time. But i hope that you can afford to move, please believe that you can and it will happen. i'm trying to drive less and use less electricity (unless its solar, etc), because these are ultimately disrespectful of the breath as well. wish i had better answers

To get back to the actual topic, if it is against the rules of the building to smoke in common areas and your landlord is worth his sauce, then he or she would act on it. If it were me, I'd call the city inspectors on them.

I work in a condo that my boss owns. Our neighbor complains about the smoke smell traveling upstairs because she has a baby. The nice thing to do would be that my boss would stop smoking, but it is his place and it is in his unit so it's his right. I do believe the second hand smoke is making me sick as dog though.

RodeoSchro said:

Deadflow3r said:

And it is especially sad when the person with the lung cancer wasn't the smoker but one who lived with a smoker.

Tens of thousands of people die every year from second-hand smoke.

But FUCK THEM! PEOPLE GOTTA SMOKE!!!!!!!

you're being indoctrinated by the blatant lies that the non smoky lobby forces on you for their personal gain

BULLSHIT

smoothcriminal12 said:

Dewrede said:

you're exaggerating ridiculously

who are you to say they can't smoke in their own home

quit bitching and let them enjoy their fag

this anti smoking thing is getting prepostorous , especially in the USA

land of the free my ass indeed

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SeventeenDayze said:

Well something else that's ironic in all of this is that the upstairs neighbor (the one I actually talked to) said that she has breast cancer and she smokes anyway. Okay, so she's terminally ill and doesn't give a crap about her health because she still smokes anyway. Perhaps this could be good for her to stop smoking and perhaps help her get better! The neighbor across the hall smokes regardless and since she's a bit wacky, I avoid her anyway.

Another twist to this---just recently, the landlord informed me that my neighbor upstair's sister is moving into the unit downstairs (it's only three levels and 6 units in this building). She is going to be using Section 8 vouchers, even though the remaining units are regular rentals. The landlord has previously asked me to be his "eyes and ears" at the building, so I routinely handle small stuff around here. Does anyone know if smoking is prohibited in section 8 rentals? If so, I'm going to make that clear to the landlord, so that he is afraid of losing that rental property voucher. Hopefully then he can put the pressure on the wacky neighbor across the hall to stop smoking and I can also inform the sister downstairs that smoking would jeopardize her rental.

For all of you saying that I'm "whining" for no reason, you ever heard or second-hand smoke or do you still think the world is flat?

http://www.google.nl/sear...aZOouy1IkK

Deadflow3r said:

Dewrede said:

I think the real key here is if the tenants signed an lease saying that they would not smoke. If there wasn't a no-smoking clause in their agreement there isn't anything you can do about it. However if there was, well that is a different story.

Non smokers and exsmokers like myself just need to be aware of that when we rent. We have to ask upfront if smoking is allowed on the premises and where. Since smoking ruins the apartment and the landlord needs to foot the bill for that, plenty of landlords are out there who only want nonsmokers. We just have to look for them.

i think it's prepostorous that there's even such a thing as non smoking apartments

in the first place , frankly

Dewrede said:

Deadflow3r said:

I think the real key here is if the tenants signed an lease saying that they would not smoke. If there wasn't a no-smoking clause in their agreement there isn't anything you can do about it. However if there was, well that is a different story.

Non smokers and exsmokers like myself just need to be aware of that when we rent. We have to ask upfront if smoking is allowed on the premises and where. Since smoking ruins the apartment and the landlord needs to foot the bill for that, plenty of landlords are out there who only want nonsmokers. We just have to look for them.

i think it's prepostorous that there's even such a thing as non smoking apartments

in the first place , frankly

ok, ok I get it, so why do you keep spamming this thread? Go to another thread and spend your energy there

Dewrede said:

Deadflow3r said:

I think the real key here is if the tenants signed an lease saying that they would not smoke. If there wasn't a no-smoking clause in their agreement there isn't anything you can do about it. However if there was, well that is a different story.

Non smokers and exsmokers like myself just need to be aware of that when we rent. We have to ask upfront if smoking is allowed on the premises and where. Since smoking ruins the apartment and the landlord needs to foot the bill for that, plenty of landlords are out there who only want nonsmokers. We just have to look for them.

i think it's prepostorous that there's even such a thing as non smoking apartments

in the first place , frankly

If a landlord decides he doesn't want smoking on his property, what makes that so preposterous? His/her business choice.

paniuroczy said:

wildgoldenhoney said:

Poor monkey.

Why? He looks like he's enjoying himself .

But he doesn't and can't know any better, he isn't conscious of the fact that he's harming himself.

paintedlady said:

Dewrede said:

no , i'm not saying that

however i'm saying that i'm reluctant to believe you get an asthma attack at the slightest whiff of smoke , it sounds really far fetched , imho

That and ant/roach spray does it... INSTANT trigger.

There is more shit in cigarettes than just tobacco. Tobacco is NOT what triggers it... it may be the tar, or other poisons in it that does that.

Yes, and there is the pollution by cars, by chemical factories, etcetera. If you want to ban smokers based on that argument, there should be a ban on cars, because they do more harm than smoking. Only paying attention to smoking is selectively choosing a ban policy against one poison and not to another.

Deadflow3r said:

tinaz said:

We brought it up because he said cigs kill people and should be banned, well, so does the things we mentioned... Didnt have anything to do with people being fat... Just some other things that "can" kill a person....

I get what your saying about "second hand" things, but when I brought it up thats not what was being talked about... It was a personal banning of things that can kill you yourself... I think..

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I have a 9 year old daughter. If I eat like a pig and balloon up to 500 pounds that will not affect her health. She has to actually partake in the scoffing down of junk food. Smoking is different. If I smoke in the house and she lives in the house she will have a greater risk of getting cancer. I am not only ruining my lungs but hers as well. Eating badly and alcoholism do not affect the child's health in the moment. They may grow up to have food or alcohol issues but their liver is not being ruined while you are drinking. They are not developing type 2 diabetes because their Parents are eating way too much junk.

This is the problem with smoking. Unless you have your own home you affect your neighbors and your neighbors affect you. It is like a barking dog or loud music. If that's something you want in your life then live far enough away from other people so they don't have to live your lifestyle with you. Otherwise get use to their evil eyes and bitching.

What Genesia said was spot on. Smoke goes into your neighbors appartment. God, if smokers don't like to smell of smoke, is it so strange that non-smokers don't want to? That shit about FauxReals neighbor smoking in the f'n laundry room is enough to make me crazy. That is the kind of " I am a smoker and I love cigarettes and fuck you non-smoker just deal with it" attitude that makes me crazy.

It stinks it stinks it stinks!!!!!! My closet stank of pot and cigarettes because my downstairs neighbors smoked both a lot. Now I am living in a house with a non-smoker, THANK GOD!!!!

I beg to differ. Junk food has fats and sugars that are as addictive to a body as nicotine can be. Merely the example of drinking and eating unhealthy by parents creates a mindset for the child that it is 'okay'. There can't be any harm in it, because my parents do it. Drinking in the presence of children does set a standard.

So, allthough it doesn't effect the child's body immediately or directly, the damaging longterm and indirect effects are present.

btw: It's for arguments's sake, I'm not questioning your parental skills, I assume you know that.

paniuroczy said:

The reason that smokers are not as likely to get sick is because they are not worried. Negative and worrying thoughts are 100012893028X more detrimental to your health than cigarettes. It's mind over matter, what goes on in your mind affects your body and your wellbeing in every single way. You change your deep subconscious beliefs so that you are not affected by cigarettes but since so many people are trained to believe in the 'negative' and 'deadly' effects of smoking, then they are going to suffer from those beliefs. You have way more control over your reality than you realize but sadly too little people know this. You can get rid of your asthma but we are trained by society to believe we don't have control over these things.

No. That's irrational. If that would be true, people could think cancer away. It's not possible. This is a theory that is potentially dangerous because it can refrain people from attaining effective medical care, because they believe they can influence material with their mind.

And it's a very bad argument, you'r weakening your case, darling. If I were you, for the sake of the argument, I would take that back. Because it is irrelevant, not true potential harmful and insulting to those who suffer from diseases like lung cancer/copd/astma. Those illnesses are real and patients aren't sick because they didn't 'think' the right way!

RodeoSchro said:

Deadflow3r said:

And it is especially sad when the person with the lung cancer wasn't the smoker but one who lived with a smoker.

Tens of thousands of people die every year from second-hand smoke.

But FUCK THEM! PEOPLE GOTTA SMOKE!!!!!!!

And still drive around in polluting cars in stead of their bike or other 'clean' forms of transportation.