ufoclub said:

namepeace said:

Were they really? Because I bought them and I noticed a few tweaks.

I never should have sold my VHS versions of the "pure" originals.

I'm not buying again until he releases IV-VI, untouched, preferably with all available deleted scenes.

The originals are on DVD but they are on the DVDs in a lower resolution matteboxed widescreen format which blackens the top and bottom of the screen on the DVD itself. Normally a DVD squashes the widescreen image into a 720x480 format (for ntsc) and then your player stretches it back out to your wide tv. There are no black bars encoded on a good widescreen DVD.

He seems to have purposely degraded the resolution on the originals.

Thanks for that!

JoeTyler said:

Utterly unnecessary and obvious, but it could have been worse, like George using footage of Padme, Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon, as if Vader was thinking "you Palpatine you! you stole my love and friends from me but you won't kill my son!!!"

if only George produced what we all want: a high-budget SW tv series about Luke's Jedi Academy starring Mark Hammill... if only

when hell freezes over...

The actors in RL are at the right age for the characters in the books.

Can you imagine a Star Wars mini-series on TV involving the Yuuzhan Vong invasion?

PurpleJedi said:

JoeTyler said:

Utterly unnecessary and obvious, but it could have been worse, like George using footage of Padme, Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon, as if Vader was thinking "you Palpatine you! you stole my love and friends from me but you won't kill my son!!!"

if only George produced what we all want: a high-budget SW tv series about Luke's Jedi Academy starring Mark Hammill... if only

when hell freezes over...

The actors in RL are at the right age for the characters in the books.

Can you imagine a Star Wars mini-series on TV involving the Yuuzhan Vong invasion?

it could be slippery

personally, I'd love a 4 seasons Jedi Academy tv series , but with Luke and the droids only (and new young Jedis of course): but with limited appearances of Han and Leia, and without Chewie (that belongs to the past, 77-83)

that said, the Vong would obviosly be the best villains

ufoclub said:

imago said:

None of the original Star Wars films were masterpieces.

But, The Empire Strikes Back was good.

All were impressive technically.

I believe much differently... 1977's Star Wars was such a perfect achievement that things it invented (and this isn't just effects, it's about being post modern and having retro elements mixed with futuristic elements in the cinematic vocabulary (the silent movie era transitions) (most people don't even realize the music style choice was a revolutionary concept), it's about the way the story concept took old mythical elements and made them accessible through characterizations that were completely contemporary, and it's bout the way it so successfully put these together into a PERFECTLY structured script. That movie is monumental, and it's going down to an abstract level of presenting sound collage and dynamic visual patterns that entertain in themselves. That's great art.

I think it's like electricity or cars... they are so big but so old and established that people forget how cool they actually are. I could probably right a huge book on what makes the original 1977 Star Wars so great. And the fact that so many people went and saw it on it's original release reflects it's achivement (it is still the 2nd biggest movie of all time behind the ridiculously popular Gone With the Wind). It was in the theater for over a year straight.That shit influenced things down to the look of medical equipment in your hospital and the car you drive, and the way movies play out their stories, to the way movies deepen their stories with additional media like websites. It completely ingrained into WORLD culture certain ways of combining intellectually mistmatched elements like a retro symphonic score of character themes (that was NOT cool in the 70's up until that point) with a futuristic scifi visuals... I'll just keep writing. And by the way, I do think a lot of it was happy accidents and painful work. Lucas checked into a hospital to recover after that production. He was tweaking that script to the last minute and being made fun of the whole time. What happens when he tries again when he's ultra successful and comfortable? "Willow". Horrible trash. Star Wars was a perfect combination of talents, intellect, and massive rebellious antiHollywood effort.

But just look at the movie as an adventure film. It is incredibly well paced and structured. It goes from reflective storybook moments like the protagonist wistfully bored watching a sunset, to him in war inflicting the victory strike. And at the the end in a ingenious repurposing of NAZI propaganda, there is an award ceremony that also manages to throw in an ingenious theatrical bow of all the heroes, and it works within the fiction, and works in reality, because audiences had just had the most incredible cinematic/aural/pop-mythic experience of their life so far.

As a filmmaker I find a lot of flaws that mar Empire Strikes Back even though it remains the popular one to put on a throne today. As a kid it didn't thrill me or obsess me as much as Star Wars, and I know exactly why. But that would be a big essay!

I think Lucas wold be a class act if he released a special blu-ray of the original 1977 Star Wars as the standalone movie it was intended to be at that time. It had no part 4/New Hope on it back then. It was thought that it would be alone.

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Also Prince did reissue his update of the song 1999!

OMG, RETHINK that ENTIRE post....NOW!

imago said:

ufoclub said:

I think Lucas wold be a class act if he released a special blu-ray of the original 1977 Star Wars as the standalone movie it was intended to be at that time. It had no part 4/New Hope on it back then. It was thought that it would be alone.

crap!

ufo, that was only because back in 75-77 he thought that perhaps his movie would tank, but I believe him when he said that in 1975 he already had the story of Anakin/Vader and his sons Luke/Leia more or less finished.

Proof? as soon as SW was a success, he started the pre-production of Empire Strikes back.

I think somebody asked if Vader yelled "no" in the comic book - yes, he did. Big long yellow bubble letters if I recall correctly.

Cerebus said:

I think somebody asked if Vader yelled "no" in the comic book - yes, he did. Big long yellow bubble letters if I recall correctly.

No, he doesn't....

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dannyd5050 said:

Cerebus said:

I think somebody asked if Vader yelled "no" in the comic book - yes, he did. Big long yellow bubble letters if I recall correctly.

No, he doesn't....

Betcha I can find one where he does.

Mad props for the scary quick access you had to those pages, though.

Cerebus said:

dannyd5050 said:

No, he doesn't....

Betcha I can find one where he does.

Check the movie novel tie-in??

Cerebus said:

Mad props for the scary quick access you had to those pages, though.

I'm such a geek, I know....

dannyd5050 said:

Cerebus said:

Mad props for the scary quick access you had to those pages, though.

I'm such a geek, I know....

Well I have nearly every SW comic book ever printed (up to a few moths ago) in digital format, arranged by their date pre and post ANH, so I think we both belong in that club.

And since I checked those files, I know you're right. I know the exact page I'm thinking of, but it must not relate to this scene.

JoeTyler said:

imago said:

crap!

ufo, that was only because back in 75-77 he thought that perhaps his movie would tank, but I believe him when he said that in 1975 he already had the story of Anakin/Vader and his sons Luke/Leia more or less finished.

Proof? as soon as SW was a success, he started the pre-production of Empire Strikes back.

That's right, but I think the chance combination of events, revising, rewriting, and limitations is what made Star Wars so great. George Lucas's personal independent intentions are not that cool when he runs free as proven by his subsequent output where he could do whatever he wanted. He was best when he's scared and really trying hard. Even with Empire, he was working hard to form his company with the new found money, and there were still many creative obstacles. By the time Return of the Jedi went into pre-production, he was carefree, and doing whatever he wanted, and I think his product wasn't as cool.

His work under pressure is good: THX 1138, American Graffiti (I almost typed Graffiti Bridge!), and Star Wars.

Those original scripts and treatments for Star Wars are AWFUL!

imago said:

OMG, RETHINK that ENTIRE post....NOW!

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ufoclub said:

George Lucas's personal independent intentions are not that cool when he runs free as proven by his subsequent output where he could do whatever he wanted. He was best when he's scared and really trying hard. Even with Empire, he was working hard to form his company with the new found money, and there were still many creative obstacles. By the time Return of the Jedi went into pre-production, he was carefree, and doing whatever he wanted, and I think his product wasn't as cool.

His work under pressure is good: THX 1138, American Graffiti (I almost typed Graffiti Bridge!), and Star Wars.

well, that's completely true. The man has been releasing safe, predictable, bland stuff since the mid-80s with those ewoks spin-offs. And I agree that ROTJ lacked an edge. And too many "yes men" around him since 1983!!!

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Howard the Duck, anyone?

purplethunder3121 said:

Howard the Duck, anyone?

Uh, no. Though the duck boobs are classic.

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dannyd5050 said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Howard the Duck, anyone?

Uh, no. Though the duck boobs are classic.

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why does he have female human boobs?

JoeTyler said:

dannyd5050 said:

Uh, no. Though the duck boobs are classic.

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why does he have female human boobs?

That's not Howard. It's a bird (hehe) he crashes in on taking a bath during the movie. Now why she has female human boobs only George Lucas could tell you.

JoeTyler said:

imago said:

crap!

ufo, that was only because back in 75-77 he thought that perhaps his movie would tank, but I believe him when he said that in 1975 he already had the story of Anakin/Vader and his sons Luke/Leia more or less finished.

Proof? as soon as SW was a success, he started the pre-production of Empire Strikes back.

I don't believe this.

If he had had those things in place, we'd not have the awkward french-kiss scene in Empire nor the obvious sexual tension in Ep 4.

And, even if he had more or less fleshed out the story before Episode 4, he mad significant changees to the story by the time Phantom Menace came out.

Where the first 3 movies (4,5, and 6) were an allegory for the Vietnam War, the last 3 movies (1,2, and 3) were obviously concerned with the Bush Administration, going so far as to almost quote the former president in Episode 3).

I really think Lucas was more or less making much of it up outside a rough framework.

Even the whole silly death star in the first movie (4), being upstaged by a" new, even more powerful" death star would seem like a repititous and silly rehash if it had been part of a bigger story meant to last 6 films.

imago said:

JoeTyler said:

ufo, that was only because back in 75-77 he thought that perhaps his movie would tank, but I believe him when he said that in 1975 he already had the story of Anakin/Vader and his sons Luke/Leia more or less finished.

Proof? as soon as SW was a success, he started the pre-production of Empire Strikes back.

I don't believe this.

If he had had those things in place, we'd not have the awkward french-kiss scene in Empire nor the obvious sexual tension in Ep 4.

And, even if he had more or less fleshed out the story before Episode 4, he mad significant changees to the story by the time Phantom Menace came out.

Where the first 3 movies (4,5, and 6) were an allegory for the Vietnam War, the last 3 movies (1,2, and 3) were obviously concerned with the Bush Administration, going so far as to almost quote the former president in Episode 3).

I really think Lucas was more or less making much of it up outside a rough framework.

Even the whole silly death star in the first movie (4), being upstaged by a" new, even more powerful" death star would seem like a repititous and silly rehash if it had been part of a bigger story meant to last 6 films.

I agree that he didn't have the fully developed stories of the first 3 films in 1977, but the main ideas were there! remember that scene in the climax of Empire Strikes Back, when Luke was telepathically calling Leia? that proves that they were both force-sensitive alright, brothers? well perhaps not. Perhaps Vader wasn't supposed to be Luke's father, only his father's killer, lol. Perhaps the french kiss was meant to be a dark joke, ...perhaps George was actually an edgy filmaker with dry/kinky sense of humor, not the bland conservative he is now...(not necessarily a republican)

truths that only George knows...

^Well since Lucas based the story on ancient mythology, brother sister love isnt all that uncommon.

ever since the vhs days when the films would be rel released because it had thx sound, widescreen editions et etc, in the end it's still a dead horse being beat upon. i don't own a blu ray player and don't want one either cause what's the point really epecially when it comes 2 star wars?

ep 1-3 the deleted scenes were already on the discs, the only improvement would be to include them as a FULL story and placement in the films and ERASE fucking jar jar from everything and restore darh maul to fight anakin in ROTS and have a kick ass fight! fucking dooku my ass lol even when ROTS came out i sat in the theaters with this horror look as anakin yelled nooooooo! and also wondered okay how did the rebellion really start? even leia's plea to obi wan in a new hope when she says "years ago u served alongs side my father .." which at that time she only considered Bail organa as her dad, so where did obi wan and bail fight side by side again? did i miss something?

as 4 the originals here is a improvement , ditch fucking hayden christian at the end of ROTJ because u don't see eqan mcgregor appearing at the end do u? and another change would be 2 get rid of the damn ewoks as this elite bad ass set of creatures that can take down stormtroopers. it still cracks me up 2 this day that those furry bastards were able 2 overtake trained military clones. uggghhh

so what other "new" deleted scene are there 2 watch?

More blu ray changes.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/d...u-ray-1d1i

lazycrockett said:

More blu ray changes.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/d...u-ray-1d1i

lazycrockett said:

More blu ray changes.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/d...u-ray-1d1i

hell, in fact, Lucas could have easily made these "improvements" : () I'm surprised he didn't think about it...

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lazycrockett said:

More blu ray changes.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/d...u-ray-1d1i

wait, whats the joke about Snoop Dog?

dannyd5050 said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

as 4 the originals here is a improvement , ditch fucking hayden christian at the end of ROTJ because u don't see eqan mcgregor appearing at the end do u? and another change would be 2 get rid of the damn ewoks as this elite bad ass set of creatures that can take down stormtroopers. it still cracks me up 2 this day that those furry bastards were able 2 overtake trained military clones. uggghhh

so what other "new" deleted scene are there 2 watch?

Wookies would have made more sense than those stupid teddy bears. That's when Star Wars "jumped the shark".

I refuse to buy into all these 'improvements'. I have the originals on VHS, which is good enough for me.