vainandy said:

NDRU said:

eh, IMO actual maturity is what separates them, being shaved is not going to make Meryl Streep look like Abigail Breslin

Going on visual sight alone, if you see someone naked in a magazine, you have no idea how mature a person is because you know absolutely nothing about them. They are just a naked body in a magazine and you can't judge how mature they may be by the way they dress because they are naked and aren't wearing clothes. So going by sight alone, and most men, whether straight or gay, get turned on by the sight of a naked body of the gender of their preference, someone with pubic hair looks much more grown than someone shaved.

I can remember when all this shaving first started happening in the magazines. The straight magazines were dressing women up in schoolgirl uniforms and having them suck on lollipops in various states of undress until they got fully naked and then they would have s shaved pussy. And in the gay magazines, they would look for the youngest looking men they could find and promote them as "barely legal boys" in classroom settings or in settings at home with their friends after school. I notice that both striaght and gay porn these days loves to promote things as "barely legal".

It started out as the porn industry trying to put images out there that would turn perverts on that fantasize about underage people but it became so widespread over the years that people started thinking it was all about "grooming" but that wasn't the case at all when it first started. It started out for perverted reasons and eventually grew into "grooming".

I accept that it's part of the physical attraction for you and other people though--that it is one component of physical maturity, and an important on to you.

But personally I don't buy the shaved/underage connection. If a man shaves his face, he still doesn't look like a little boy. If a woman shaves her pits, she does not look like a little girl. If a bodybuilder shaves his entire body...and so on.

But again, yeah I get that hair is one part of maturity, so I can see that maybe it would be just as important as boobs or whatever to someobody, it just isn't to me. To me there are an infinite number of things that separate a girl from a woman

I just think hair happens to be your fetish

[Edited 8/22/11 10:12am]

JustErin said:

paintsprayer said:

A grown womans pussy looks very different from a girl, shaved or not

At the age of 14 or 15 - no it doesn't look different.

Nor does shaved = girl. A girl at 15 has hair....yet she is still a child.

I agree with you, I was responding to the implication that it meant "litle" girl

Cerebus said:

NDRU said:

eh, IMO actual maturity is what separates them, being shaved is not going to make Meryl Streep look like Abigail Breslin

Totally disagree. And I was going to type a long paragraph here. But... whatever. Different strokes and all that.

I might have specified that I meant actual physical maturity, I didn't mean that a mature seven year old is a woman

I don't think shaving makes someone look like a child because there are a million other things that make us adults physically.

But like you say, everyone's different. I know a guy who wanted his gf to stop shaving altogether, under her arms etc. Not my cup of tea, but if that made them happy then cool.

paintsprayer said:

JustErin said:

At the age of 14 or 15 - no it doesn't look different.

Nor does shaved = girl. A girl at 15 has hair....yet she is still a child.

I agree with you, I was responding to the implication that it meant "litle" girl

exactly, when you're talking the difference between a woman and a 15 year old girl, you're talking more about mental maturity, not physical

this shaving issue relates more to young kids--like under 12. And in my mind, no grown up person looks like a little kid just because they shave

Dave1992 said:

minneapolisFunq said:

Why do people work?

For the money.

Of course some people enjoy their jobs, but its all about the paper.

I think your ideology is pathetic.

My ideology?

Are you high or something? Because you're talking in circles... First you say I shouldn't expect them to have fun, then you say they do it for my entertainment, now you say OF COURSE some people enjoy their jobs, but these bitches do it for the money only and my ideology is pathetic.

Mate, do you even read through what you write or are you doing this just for the sake of having an argument? It certainly seems so.

You are so fucking lame!

Is it hard to understand my point of view? I think you should leave all of that at the door and just enjoy the situation for what it is. You insist on CRYING about how they do it for the money and you can't seem to look past it. It's a strip club, son! MAN UP! (Now I'm talking in circles because you cannot comprehend simple logic and I am forced to repeat myself!)

paintsprayer said:

vainandy said:

Going on visual sight alone, if you see someone naked in a magazine, you have no idea how mature a person is because you know absolutely nothing about them. They are just a naked body in a magazine and you can't judge how mature they may be by the way they dress because they are naked and aren't wearing clothes. So going by sight alone, and most men, whether straight or gay, get turned on by the sight of a naked body of the gender of their preference, someone with pubic hair looks much more grown than someone shaved.

I can remember when all this shaving first started happening in the magazines. The straight magazines were dressing women up in schoolgirl uniforms and having them suck on lollipops in various states of undress until they got fully naked and then they would have s shaved pussy. And in the gay magazines, they would look for the youngest looking men they could find and promote them as "barely legal boys" in classroom settings or in settings at home with their friends after school. I notice that both striaght and gay porn these days loves to promote things as "barely legal".

It started out as the porn industry trying to put images out there that would turn perverts on that fantasize about underage people but it became so widespread over the years that people started thinking it was all about "grooming" but that wasn't the case at all when it first started. It started out for perverted reasons and eventually grew into "grooming".

A grown womans pussy looks very different from a girl, shaved or not

Hey, all pussies look the same to me whether it's on a little girl, a grown woman, or a senior citizen so I could care less what these women do to alter the looks of their pussy. A hole is a hole and a slit is a slit no matter how it's dressed up.

But a dick is an actual thing and not just a hole. A dick is a sexy complicated thing with a piece of meat that hangs down with a head and two balls. Every dick looks different too. There's big ones, little ones, short ones, long ones, thick ones, thin ones, veiny ones, non-veiny ones, crooked banana dicks, hook dicks, pencil dicks, circumcised dicks, uncircumcised dicks, dicks that haven't been snipped as much as others, tight balls, sagging balls, even proportiioned balls, balls where one ball hangs lower than the other, dicks and balls on men that are the same exact shade of color as the rest of the man's body, dicks and balls on men that are little darker shade than the rest of the man's body.....Oh Lord, every dick is an individual dick and every dick is unique to it's owner....All hail the mighty motherfucking dick dammitt! Lord have mercy! Hallelujah! Aaaaaah glory! Aaaaamen!

So when it comes to dicks, these men need to stop altering and ruining perfectly good dicks with trimming and shaving. They are destroying a work of sexy art. An altered dick is like a Little Richard song being altered and sung by Pat Boone. It's time for these men's dicks to start looking like actual men's dicks again instead of little boys dicks that just happen to be man sized but with none of the manly features that make it a man's dick.

If you like paying for girls to sit with you, and paying even more for them to dance for you, and paying even more for them to get watered-down drinks, and paying even more than that for your own watered-down drinks, all the while surrounded by a bunch of losers, then yeah they are a fine place to go.

I can't say I've ever been to a strip club. Most of the ones around where I grew up were really seedy looking joints that looked scary and depressing. I've heard about some of the clubs in Las Vegas and Atlanta which are supposed ot be really hot, but I just don't like the idea of shelling out big money just to be teased and go home with blue balls.

vainandy said:

Going on visual sight alone, if you see someone naked in a magazine, you have no idea how mature a person is because you know absolutely nothing about them. They are just a naked body in a magazine and you can't judge how mature they may be by the way they dress because they are naked and aren't wearing clothes.

Ironically, I attended an Exxotica-type event a number a years ago that had porn stars there, and I attended a Glamourcon event a year later. (BTW, Glamourcon is basically a meet and greet for Playboy Playmates, Penthouse Pets, and other adult models.) I remember seeing some ladies there who look so hot in the magazine I need to release some tension yet in person looked sort of plain or no better than the average waitress in a Hooters-type bar. Granted, there were some absolutely stunningly beautiful women there, , and there were others who were okay looking but really nice and engaging in person. But then again, there were some ladies who look amazing on camera but in person look like they had way too much plastic surgery.

728huey said:

I can't say I've ever been to a strip club. Most of the ones around where I grew up were really seedy looking joints that looked scary and depressing. I've heard about some of the clubs in Las Vegas and Atlanta which are supposed ot be really hot, but I just don't like the idea of shelling out big money just to be teased and go home with blue balls.

vainandy said:

Going on visual sight alone, if you see someone naked in a magazine, you have no idea how mature a person is because you know absolutely nothing about them. They are just a naked body in a magazine and you can't judge how mature they may be by the way they dress because they are naked and aren't wearing clothes.

Ironically, I attended an Exxotica-type event a number a years ago that had porn stars there, and I attended a Glamourcon event a year later. (BTW, Glamourcon is basically a meet and greet for Playboy Playmates, Penthouse Pets, and other adult models.) I remember seeing some ladies there who look so hot in the magazine I need to release some tension yet in person looked sort of plain or no better than the average waitress in a Hooters-type bar. Granted, there were some absolutely stunningly beautiful women there, , and there were others who were okay looking but really nice and engaging in person. But then again, there were some ladies who look amazing on camera but in person look like they had way too much plastic surgery.

Check this book out:

It shows porn stars in day to day clothes. Most of them are great looking in whatever they wear, but it shows how much of a "costume" their nudity is to them

insatiable3 said:

I have to admit I am curious though... But I'm gonna admit seeing the stuff in movies is what has made me that way... And yeah they certainly have no touch rules here...