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The Help I didn't see a thread about the movie, The Help. Was it already discussed here?
I thought it was very well done. The characters were believable and honest in their roles portraying the type of racism found in the South and East in the early-to-mid 1960s-1970s.
I particularly liked the honesty with which the domestics shed light on their role in the household and how they were used as surrogate mothers with wifely duties such as cooking, cleaning and raising the children.
I was reluctant to see the movie but found its truth to be refreshing; the story is not told from a bitter perspective and instead shows the strength, power and courage of the women who endured certain indignities of that time.
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In a separate thread there was discussion about "The Womens' Movement". I commented that it (the Movement) was great until "we" learned it was not for us...
"The Help" underscores one of the very real divisions among black and white women; of course in the early 60s-70s, but the message still strong paints a historical picture of how black women have not, throughout our history, had the support of white women to attain true equality and how some white women when faced with a choice, throw black women under the bus all too easily.
Perhaps some black women and some white women want separate things or have different goals?
What are your thoughts? (And no, this is not race-bait--and shouldn't be--I'm hoping for honest discussion here.)
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I saw it with my Mom & Sis last week. I thought it was very well done.
In some ways, it was hard to watch.
Personal story: My Granny was a domestic; she took care of a boy and girl who were a little bit older than I was in the 70s. I remember going over there sometimes and playing with the girl, Karen, while Granny worked. Occasionally, Granny would bring a dress or something home for me. When we were older and out of college, my first teaching job in 1989 was at a private school where Karen already worked (I did not know that when I applied). When our coworkers asked how we knew each other, I just said that we "grew up" together and left it at that. One day, Karen got me in front of a group of teachers and said, "We didn't grow up together. Her Grandmother used to clean my house. I used to give her my hand-me-downs."
Watching that movie brought that memory back so vividly. I also thought about what Granny must have gone through. She split her time with another house as well. I don't remember as much about that family.
Granny is 94 now; both the ladies she worked for are dead. "Love Hurts. Your lies, they cut me. Now your words don't mean a thing. I don't give a damn if you ever loved me..." -Cher, "Woman's World" | |
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I'm so glad you created a thread about this movie. I went to see this with my mom this weekend. By far, hands down, definitely the BEST movie I've seen that was worth my money. Sure it was very hard to take some of the scenes, but I think it was accurate in how it really was during those times for black women in the south and how they were treated by their white employers. This is definitely not a subject that is not thought about everyday.
I have a few, now elderly, relatives who were maids back in the day. But I never imagined or really thought about the pain they might've endured during that time. Seeing this movie was a real eye opener and a definite tear jerker. I wanted to cry so bad during some of the scenes but held back.
I do agree, the film was really well done and well acted. Viola Davis did an excellent job and I have to give props to Bryce Dallas Howard as well cause she really did make me hate her with all my might.
I did walk away admiring the MANY black women who had to endure such fear, disrespect and shame while still holding their heads up high, not giving any "sass" so that they could pay their bills and support their families. I also admired the white women who existed (those such as Skeeter) who were trying to help make things better for everyone involved and were sincere about it.
It really did irritate me how some of the women made their decisions based off of how they would look by their more "powerful" counterparts. I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince. | |
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See this is the shit here that pisses me the hell off. I'm so sorry that you experienced that. How did you react to her statement? I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince. | |
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There were some two great articles in Essence this month about the Help and Viola was on the cover. I haven't seen it or read the book but I'm taking the book with me on vacation next week.
5 Questions for Viola Davis on 'The Help'Award-winning and Academy Award- nominated actress appears to almost empty herself in order to bring life to a character.
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Mary J. Blige on Writing 'Living Proof' for 'The Help'
She's been busy working on her new album, "My Life II, The Journey Continues" (out September 13), but watching "The Help" made Mary J. Blige find the time to write a song for the movie's soundtrack. The R&B songstress says she was so inspired by the movie, starring Viola Davis and Octavia Spencer, that she saw it twice and immediately wrote the song "The Living Proof." "I wrote the song almost in the theater as I was watching the movie," MJB told ESSENCE.com during the ESSENCE Music Festival. "Everything that made me cry, I would write it down. Everything that made me laugh, I would write it down. And then I would listen to different things they were saying and I would write it down." Blige says she called the song "The Living Proof" in honor of the characters' resilience and ability to forgive. "Learning how to forgive people that hurt you. That's the hardest thing to do," she said. "My song tells the story of how we are all survivors, and how we're living proof that we can come through whatever." The controversial film, which tells the story of Black maids in the South, already has its critics. Blige isn't one of them. "It was a balanced movie," she says. "It wasn't just woe is me, slave master stuff. "As much racism as there was, there was so much good to counter it."
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Being young and new at the school, I think I just smiled sheepishly. I know I didn't speak to her for the rest of the school year. She left after that.
Now, see, if it was NOW, she and I would have had a "little talk", after I'd aired some of her family's "dirty laundry", since she wanted to go there....
"Love Hurts. Your lies, they cut me. Now your words don't mean a thing. I don't give a damn if you ever loved me..." -Cher, "Woman's World" | |
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Viola Davis Graces the August Issue of ESSENCE
"As Black women, we're always given these seemingly devastating experiences -- experiences that could absolutely break us. But what the caterpillar calls the end of the world, the master calls the butterfly. What we do as Black women is take the worst situations and create from that point..." –Viola Davis, ESSENCE
Award-winning actress Viola Davis is having the time of her life as one of Hollywood's hottest stars. Despite her evident radiance and mind-blowing talent, she has had to come to grips with a culture that seldom makes dark-skinned women feel like "the chosen ones." However, during her recent successes, including her Oscar-nominated performance in the film "Doubt," she feels more like a "princess" now than ever before.
As she anticipates the release of her new movie, "The Help," Davis shares her story of growth and acceptance with writer Lola Ogunnaike in the August issue of ESSENCE.
Meanwhile, EUR recently sat down with Davis’ co-star in “The Help,” Emma Stone, who described the veteran actress and her divine talent as “just hypnotic.” “Oh my God, Viola’s like touched by something else. And I think there’s a reason why Meryl Streep is in awe of Viola,” Stone told us. “Viola just is that person. “It’s rare that you’re in a scene with someone and you’re like zoning out, forgetting to say your lines because you just want to watch them. There’s a scene where I literally just stopped acting. I mean, you’re trying as much as you can to be present in the moment and not be acting when you’re in a scene, but I literally forgot that I was in the scene. It’s insane. She’s just hypnotic and beyond talented – and the coolest person.”
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I havent seen it but my mother in law emailed me and asked if I saw it... She wanted a "younger" persons perspective on the movie to see if I thought about it the same as her..
She only did this because she wants to argue with me... She knows we are gonna have wayyyyyyyy different views on this, we always do... We never agree on ANYTHING, EVER....
It wont be a pretty discussion im sure... ~~~~~ Oh that voice...incredible....there should be a musical instrument called George Michael... ~~~~~ | |
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I have never wantyed to smack a bitch down more than when I just read that statement ~~~~~ Oh that voice...incredible....there should be a musical instrument called George Michael... ~~~~~ | |
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Viola Davis Channels Her ...Was A MaidViola Davis has been winning rave reviews for her performance in "The Help." As it turns out, she had a lot of her own help getting into character. Playing the role of Aibileen Clark, a brave housemaid in early 1960s Jackson, Mississippi who agrees to speak out on the mistreatment of black women that serve as domestic help for backwards and racist white women. And while her character was conceived by author Kathryn Sockett, Davis used another inspiration. "I feel like I've brought my mom to life; I've channeled her spirit," the Oscar-nominee told The Hollywood Reporter at the film's premiere. "I channeled the spirit of my grandmother, and I've kind of paid homage to how they've contributed to my life and the lives of so many people." Davis' mother was herself a housemaid in Rhode Island during the same era in which the film takes place, as she recently explained to...oes Strong. "My mom was very young when she had me and worked as a domestic and in factories," Davis said. "It was just terrible because she had gifts. She was capable. But there were no choices for her except basic survival." Playing the role allowed her to get an even more intimate understanding of that difficult time. "I learned about the contributions of everyday people," she told Essence Magazine. "The people who didn’t make it into the history books but paved the way for us. The domestics, bus drivers, garbage men. What I learned from Aibileen is the courage it took to just live the every day being black in 1961 Mississippi. The courage it took to just stand on your own two feet, put food on the table and just survive. Just to simply survive." The acting efforts of Davis, a cast of fellow maids co-led by Octavia Spencer, and film lead Emma Stone have garnered rave reviews thus far, and led the film to take in an impressive $5.5+ milli...screenings. [Edited 8/22/11 5:35am] | |
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What a beautiful cover! "Love Hurts. Your lies, they cut me. Now your words don't mean a thing. I don't give a damn if you ever loved me..." -Cher, "Woman's World" | |
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Ablene Cooper, the longtime nanny for Stockett's brother, has filed a $75,000 lawsuit against the author, claiming she was upset by the book that characterizes black maids working for white families in the family's hometown of Jackson, Miss., during the 1960s. Cooper also once babysat for Stockett's daughter, according to the Jackson Clarion Ledger, and the lawsuit alleges that she had been assured by Stockett, 42, that her likeness would not be used in the book.
The 2009 novel was an instant favorite among book clubs, written in the voice of black "help" by a woman raised by maids herself and who is white. Cooper, 60, maintains that the book's fictional character -- Aibileen Clark -- is her. She says the alleged unauthorized appropriation of her name and image is emotionally upsetting, and her employers, Carol and Robert Stockett III agree. He is Kathryn Stockett's brother and employs Cooper as a nanny and maid. The book focuses on the friendship of three women: a young white woman, Skeeter, who aspires to be a writer, and two African-American maids, Aibileen and Minny. Aibileen speaks in heavy ethnic lingo and, in one passage, compares her skin color to that of a cockroach.
"That night after supper, me and that cockroach stare each other down across the kitchen floor," Aibileen says in the book. "He big, inch, inch an a half. He black. Blacker than me." Cooper has said the portrayal of Aibileen -- an almost saintly figure who is subjected to the racial prejudices of the period -- is "embarrassing." Syndicated columnist Clarence Page, who is-African American, said, "There is an old saying, 'You can joke about your own crowd, but not about someone else's. "Whether you are writing for yourself or a poetic work of fiction, you take a risk; like if I tried to write a book with a Yiddish dialect," he said, noting that the book has generated mixed reaction. But in addition to being mortified by the black patois, Cooper is angry that the character so closely resembles her in many details. "Ain't too many Ablenes," Cooper, who was unavailable for an interview, told the New York Times. "What she did, they said it was wrong," said Cooper, who looks after the Stocketts' two children. "They came to me and said, 'Ms. Abie, we love you, we support you,' and they told me to do what I got to do." The character Aibileen is a "wise, regal woman raising her 17th white child," according to the book jacket flap. "Something has shifted inside her after the loss of her own son, who died while his bosses looked the other way."
Cooper has said the likeness is uncanny. Besides their names, both maids have a gold tooth. Like the fictional Aibileen, she lost her son to cancer several months before the birth of the Stocketts' first child.
Her lawyer, Edward Sanders, who did not return calls from ABCNews.com, has said the similarities between both maids -- Aibileen and Ablene -- "seem very striking." The lawsuit said the author's conduct "is not a mere insult, indignity, annoyance or trivial matter to Ablene. Kathryn Stockett's conduct has made Ablene feel violated, outraged and revulsed," according to the Jackson Clarion Ledger.
"Despite the fact that Kathryn Stockett had actual knowledge that using the name and likeness of Ablene in 'The Help' would be emotionally upsetting and highly offensive to Ablene, Kathryn Stockett negligently and-or intentionally and in reckless disregard for the rights and dignity of Ablene proceeded with her plans," it says.
"Kathryn Stockett's appropriation of Ablene's name and likeness was done for Kathryn Stockett's commercial advantage, namely to sell more copies of 'The Help.'" The author's father, Robert Stockett Jr. of Jackson Miss., told ABCNews.com that he is "neutral" in the division between his son and daughter, but agreed that plenty of people are profiting, especially filmmakers who plan to release a movie version of the book this year. The film, directed by Tate Taylor and starring Emma Stone, Viola Davis and Octavia Spencer, looks at what happens when a Southern town's unspoken code of rules and behavior is shattered by three women who strike an unlikely friendship. Shot in Mississippi, it is set for release in movie theaters Aug. 12.
"I don't have a position," he said, playfully correctly the reporter's pronunciation of Ablene. "It's AY-blene." He also noted that his author daughter, who has moved north to Atlanta, "is also a New Yorker now." Stockett, a retired developer and lawyer, said he did not know her phone number.
"Sure, I liked the book. It's fiction. They didn't give me the critics' copy until it was too late," he said. "I would have got some factual things changed. But I'm low down the totem pole." He charged media with "stirring up the pot" in the dispute between his son's maid and his daughter, adding that the ensuing publicity surrounding the feud would benefit his daughter financially. "Kathryn will appreciate that she gets a cut," he said. Publisher Says Novel Is 'Work of Fiction'His son, Robert Stockett III, who is a real estate developer with Madison Properties, did not return telephone calls from ABCNews.com at his home or office. The author also could not be reached but her husband, Keith Rogers, said from their home in Atlanta that he and his wife "don't know [Cooper] well." "I know nothing about it [the lawsuit]," he said, referring ABCNews.com to his wife's publisher. Amy Einhorn, whose imprint at Penguin Group USA published the book, was also unavailable, but she had earlier issued a prepared statement to the media: "This is a beautifully written work of fiction and we don't think there is any basis to the legal claims. We cannot comment further regarding ongoing litigation." Stockton, herself, who has described the novel as, "fiction, by and large," admitted in several earlier interviews that the book had not been embraced enthusiastically in her hometown. "Not everybody in Jackson, Mississippi's thrilled," she told Katie Couric last year, acknowledging that a few "close family members" were so unhappy that they were not talking to her. One of Cooper's neighbors said she had not read "The Help," but had heard about the dispute on the television news. "Miss Cooper is very friendly lady," said Emma Sims, 57, who is a substitute teacher. "We have had some neighborly conversations, but we have only talked three or four times. She's usually at work or at church." The lawsuit, which was filed in Mississippi state court in Hinds County, asks for $75,000 with no punitive damages or other fees. The author's father puts little stock in the suit. "Ablene will probably be the last one to get a nickel out of it," Stockett Jr. said. "You can't buy that much for $75,000." | |
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I know that's RIGHT GIRL!!!!! I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince. | |
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^ that's why I was reluctant to go to the movie, I didn't want to see another "slave" movie. As previously stated, I was happy to see another side to the Civil Rights movement -- dignified women working in the only jobs they were allowed to have, taking care of their children and families the best way they could.
I didn't grow up in the south but domestics were also used in the north. My play grandma was a domestic and my play grandad (her husband) was the "chauffeur" for the same family. I remember seeing the pain on Nana's face once when she took us to the house. We were rambunctious kids with no boundaries (we didn't know "our place") race was not an issue for us -- but something happened and we never went back.
That movie brought back a lot of memories. As a private school kid, I dealt with those "society ladies" and their daughters at a very young age.
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guuuuuurrrrrrrl, I know this story. | |
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Thanks, this is good reference, I finish reading later today and comment. | |
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You should try to find this issue of Essence. They had 3 different articles on the movie and Viola's interview and pics were GREAT! | |
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yes, I'll go to the essence website.
The more I think about the movie the more I think everyone should see it, truly. It tells a story that hasn't really been told before that needs to be told. Again, its honesty and real-ness is on point.
The dynamics of American society today are direct result of this story; in the workplace, with familes, the womens movement, etc.
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Octavia seems to be already stealing the movie.
I know i'll be watching it for her. one of the finest/most underappreciated actresses around. [Edited 8/22/11 11:03am] "what's that book where they're all behind the wardrobe?" | |
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I loved her on Ugly Betty | |
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'Help' moves upstairs with $20.5M, No. 1 weekendLOS ANGELES (AP) — "The Help" continues to clean up at the box office, taking over the No. 1 spot with $20.5 million in its second weekend. The DreamWorks Pictures film starring Viola Davis, Emma Stone and Octavia Spencer in a drama about Southern black maids had debuted in second-place a week earlier. "The Help" raised its domestic total to $71.8 million and bumped 20th Century Fox's " Rise of the Planet of the Apes," which slipped to No. 2 with $16.3 million after two weekends at the top, according to studio estimates Sunday. "Rise of the Planet of the Apes" remains a solid hit, lifting its domestic total to $133.8 million. Much as Kathryn Stockett's novel "The Help" became a best-seller through readers talking it up, the film is holding strong as audiences tell friends to go see it, said Dave Hollis, head of distribution for Disney, which releases DreamWorks films. While revenues often drop 50 percent or more in the second weekend for big studio films, receipts for "The Help" were down only 21 percent from opening weekend. "It is a rare feat to see a film not open at No. 1 and then become No. 1," Hollis said. "To me, it's a testament of it being a great film, as well as the viral nature of the word of mouth about it." A rush of new movies had weak openings: the Weinstein Co. family sequel "Spy Kids: All the Time in the World" at No. 3 with $12 million; Lionsgate's action remake "Conan the Barbarian" at No. 4 with $10 million; the DreamWorks-Disney horror-comedy remake "Fright Night" at No. 5 with $8.3 million; and Focus Features' literary adaptation "One Day" at No. 9 with $5.1 million. Overall domestic revenues slid for the first time in five weekends. Receipts totaled $124 million, down 3 percent from the same weekend last year, when "The Expendables" led with $17 million, according to box-office tracker Hollywood.com. Other than "Fright Night," the new movies were panned by critics, and audiences were apathetic about all of the newcomers. "This is the reason the term dog days of August was invented," said Hollywood.com analyst Paul Dergarabedian. "Other than the 'The Help' and to some extent 'Rise of the Planet of the Apes,' everybody else got beat up this weekend. This was one of those really slow, turn-movie-theaters-into-a-ghost-town weekends." Three of the new movies — "Spy Kids," ''Conan the Barbarian" and "Fright Night" — had the benefit of higher-priced 3-D screenings, but none were able to capitalize. Robert Rodriguez's fourth "Spy Kids," featuring Jessica Alba as an agent whose step-kids get in on the espionage action, also added odor to the picture with scratch-and-sniff cards handed out to viewers so they could smell what the characters were smelling. The gimmick failed to pack in crowds, though, with the sequel's revenues coming in at barely a third of the $33.4 million debut for the last "Spy Kids" flick in 2003. "Conan the Barbarian" stars Jason Momoa as the fierce warrior played by Arnold Schwarzenegger in the 1980s original. "Fright Night" features Colin Farrell as a vampire going after a neighbor (Anton Yelchin) who discovers he's a blood-sucker. Based on David Nicholls' best-seller, "One Day" casts Anne Hathaway and Jim Sturgess as friends in a decades-long romantic dance that plays out on the same day each year. With solid reviews, Disney executives thought "Fright Night" would offer a good mix of scares and laughs for fans in their late teens and early 20s. But distribution boss Hollis said "Fright Night" fell victim to an issue that has troubled studios all summer: How do you bring out younger crowds when they have so many personal entertainment options, from video games to downloading movies? "What happened here has been a problem for the industry for a long time, and that's just how do you crack the nut with young adults?" Hollis said. "They've been increasingly finicky." Estimated ticket sales for Friday through Sunday at U.S. and Canadian theaters, according to Hollywood.com. Where available, latest international numbers are also included. Final domestic figures will be released Monday.
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"to hell with Beyonce, do me like Mariah"
she's seriously fantastic wherever you put her. she doesn't even have to speak, you get it all right away from her eyes "what's that book where they're all behind the wardrobe?" | |
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I haven't seen the movie, but I've read the book. I really enjoyed the book. It was well written and most of the characters were very interesting. I also learned something about that era and when I learn something from a book, I usually enjoy it. I will see the movie eventually. | |
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I think I'd like to read the book... Like any other movie based on a novel, I'm sure things were missing.
typing mess [Edited 8/22/11 11:45am] "Love Hurts. Your lies, they cut me. Now your words don't mean a thing. I don't give a damn if you ever loved me..." -Cher, "Woman's World" | |
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My grandma worked as a cook for a rich family in the early part of the 20th century. (She was born in 1894.) Sadly, she died when I was 5 - before I had a chance to ask her about what that was like.
I do remember she was an amaaaaaaazing cook, though. We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves. | |
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My MIL did say the movie followed the book closest as shes ever seen... She said she expected to be dissapointed by the movie because the books are always better, but she wasnt at all... ~~~~~ Oh that voice...incredible....there should be a musical instrument called George Michael... ~~~~~ | |
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sooo, I'm wondering, are we allowed to "sass" racist white folk now??? THE B EST BE YOURSELF AS LONG AS YOUR SELF ISNT A DYCK[/r]
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When were you ever told you couldnt? ~~~~~ Oh that voice...incredible....there should be a musical instrument called George Michael... ~~~~~ | |
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