Jay-Z is loaded. He is extremely rich.

That's okay because he likes to entrepeneur and apparantly he's good at it.

However, it's clear that he makes that much profit by keeping his costs low and (ab)use cheap labor under unsafe conditions.

He exploits the builders who are constructing his 40/40 club that needs to make Jay-Z more money.

I think it's sad that he makes money by means of cheap and exploiting labor and not adhering to union standards.

What are you'r thoughts about it?

i though they passed laws about mistreatment...:confused:

Huh? I've NEVER heard of this...

I agree, but isn't the US government and corporations like Walmart, the Gap, JPMorgan Chase & Co, and the ilk doing the same on astronomically larger scales to greater damage?

Jay-z is some kid that scraped his way out of the hood with little care for others, but the other afore mentioned entities are actually perpetuating a system/cycle of abuse that is on a much more dire scale me thinks.

It sort of reminds me of those times folks hunted down Martha Stewart for her 250k inside trading. PFFFFT

dJJ said:

Jay-Z is loaded. He is extremely rich.

That's okay because he likes to entrepeneur and apparantly he's good at it.

However, it's clear that he makes that much profit by keeping his costs low and (ab)use cheap labor under unsafe conditions.

He exploits the builders who are constructing his 40/40 club that needs to make Jay-Z more money.

I think it's sad that he makes money by means of cheap and exploiting labor and not adhering to union standards.

What are you'r thoughts about it?

where's your source of reliable and factual info on this thread so i can make an honest opinion ?

free2bfreeda said:

dJJ said:

Jay-Z is loaded. He is extremely rich.

That's okay because he likes to entrepeneur and apparantly he's good at it.

However, it's clear that he makes that much profit by keeping his costs low and (ab)use cheap labor under unsafe conditions.

He exploits the builders who are constructing his 40/40 club that needs to make Jay-Z more money.

I think it's sad that he makes money by means of cheap and exploiting labor and not adhering to union standards.

What are you'r thoughts about it?

where's your source of reliable and factual info on this thread so i can make an honest opinion ?

You don't have acces to news? Do you live in a country with a censorship on google for news?

imago said:

I agree, but isn't the US government and corporations like Walmart, the Gap, JPMorgan Chase & Co, and the ilk doing the same on astronomically larger scales to greater damage?

Jay-z is some kid that scraped his way out of the hood with little care for others, but the other afore mentioned entities are actually perpetuating a system/cycle of abuse that is on a much more dire scale me thinks.

It sort of reminds me of those times folks hunted down Martha Stewart for her 250k inside trading. PFFFFT

True.

What I don't understand is, that he supposed to come from a neigboorhood where people got exploited for cheap or free labour in order to enrich the elite upperclass. He even got rich making songs about that.

However, in stead of changing something with his influence, he just copies that behaviour and exploits people with low wages and working under unsafe conditions. It's not that he's short of money himself.

Is he addicted to having money on his bankaccount and show off his new rich status and forgets that he's attaining it by the means of other human beings? Because, to me it looks like that.

And now he's implanted his demon foetus, which will ultimately destroy the world, in Beyonce.

smoothcriminal12 said:

Huh? I've NEVER heard of this...

I miss Anya.

dJJ said:

free2bfreeda said:

where's your source of reliable and factual info on this thread so i can make an honest opinion ?

You don't have acces to news? Do you live in a country with a censorship on google for news?

I don't mean to interject, but if you're posting this as factual, then at least give one reliable link source. Otherwise, it may be just ranting, your opinion.

[Edited 9/4/11 9:54am]

angel345 said:

dJJ said:

You don't have acces to news? Do you live in a country with a censorship on google for news?

I don't mean to interject, but if you're posting this as factual, then at least give one reliable link source. Otherwise, it may be just ranting, your opinion.

[Edited 9/4/11 9:54am]

O, come on now. Look for a newsite yourself. I can't decide for you what newssite you need to read, now can I?

The union has placed large floatable rats in front of his future NY 40/40 club as a protest against his maltreatment of the workers. Jay-Z spokesman told that the weren't union members and therefore didn't have to work under union standards. He's not even denying that he's paying these people really low wages and having them work under bad conditions.

Again. You cannot post something like this, without having facts to back it up. Otherwise, it just sounds like your opinion,(even if there maybe be some truth to it.) Especially, when you asked us for our thoughts on the matter.

He's so rich, he can afford to spend his money on useless things and not donate it to charity.

http://www.nydailynews.co...n_a_w.html

He's not hiring carpenters that are union members, so he doesn't have to comply to union rules. That is why the union has placed huge air rats in front of his club that is renovated by cheap labor:

http://ny.curbed.com/arch...s_club.php

dJJ said:

angel345 said:

I don't mean to interject, but if you're posting this as factual, then at least give one reliable link source. Otherwise, it may be just ranting, your opinion.

[Edited 9/4/11 9:54am]

O, come on now. Look for a newsite yourself. I can't decide for you what newssite you need to read, now can I?

The union has placed large floatable rats in front of his future NY 40/40 club as a protest against his maltreatment of the workers. Jay-Z spokesman told that the weren't union members and therefore didn't have to work under union standards. He's not even denying that he's paying these people really low wages and having them work under bad conditions.

Why not just link us to your source?

What 'bad' conditions are you referring to?

Non-union standards? How does that ipso facto become 'bad?'

dJJ said:

He's so rich, he can afford to spend his money on useless things and not donate it to charity.

http://www.nydailynews.co...n_a_w.html

He's not hiring carpenters that are union members, so he doesn't have to comply to union rules. That is why the union has placed huge air rats in front of his club that is renovated by cheap labor:

http://ny.curbed.com/arch...s_club.php

Your precious unions?

[EDITED]

http://articles.nydailyne...wer-cranes

dJJ said:

He's so rich, he can afford to spend his money on useless things and not donate it to charity.

http://www.nydailynews.co...n_a_w.html

He's not hiring carpenters that are union members, so he doesn't have to comply to union rules. That is why the union has placed huge air rats in front of his club that is renovated by cheap labor:

http://ny.curbed.com/arch...s_club.php

Complying with the law isn't enough? One HAS to comply with unions? Why? Not to take away anything unions did but Shawn Carter is in no way obligated to do everything by union standard or code. That is not the legal standard. That's what matters.

Pretty arrogant union.

Never mind. I'm hugely anti-union anyway.

[Edited 9/4/11 11:50am]

dJJ said:

angel345 said:

I don't mean to interject, but if you're posting this as factual, then at least give one reliable link source. Otherwise, it may be just ranting, your opinion.

[Edited 9/4/11 9:54am]

O, come on now. Look for a newsite yourself. I can't decide for you what newssite you need to read, now can I?

The union has placed large floatable rats in front of his future NY 40/40 club as a protest against his maltreatment of the workers. Jay-Z spokesman told that the weren't union members and therefore didn't have to work under union standards. He's not even denying that he's paying these people really low wages and having them work under bad conditions.

You can decide what sources to use, even if it's one reliable one. A few people here posted an reliable source on Walmart, and it is notorious how they function. I have seen this on my local cable network as well. Now you've stated Jay-Z is filthy rich, sure I believe it because the source is Forbes Magazine. Therefore, according to Forbes Magazine, Jay-Z made the list. I have heard rumors about the 40-40 club having mob ties, and is being used for a dope spot. To be truthful, I don't have a reliable source for that. Again, rumors. Posting here so called factual statements is like giving a presentation or writing a mini thesis, and you're not giving the source, especially an reliable one. If you want others to do our own research, at least give us at least one source to start with. That's all.

Why single out Jay-Z? I could name 15 companies off the top of my head who shit on the small guy to make a buck.

Vendetta1 said:

Why single out Jay-Z? I could name 15 companies off the top of my head who shit on the small guy to make a buck.

I can name 15 in my community alone...

dJJ said:

free2bfreeda said:

where's your source of reliable and factual info on this thread so i can make an honest opinion ?

You don't have acces to news? Do you live in a country with a censorship on google for news?

free2freeda replies: i do have access to the news, however is it not proper protocol to post a link to your thread, instead of expecting responses to possibly incorrect information?

so without being asked i found the following source.

now i can post my comment with a link source.

Jay-Z 40/40 Club Under Fire For Bad Labor Practices

Posted in Music on September 2, 2011

http://www.themathhattan....practices/

Jay-Z’s NYC 40/40 Club is under renovation and under fire from the New York City District Council of Carpenters.
The union is claiming that the company which was hired to make renovations, Conelle Construction Corp., “does not meet area labor standards, including providing or fully paying for family healthcare and pension for all of its carpenter craft employees,” according to a statement.
The NYCDCC also claims Conelle Construction Corp. is paying its workers “substandard wages” and holds owner Jay-Z responsible, saying the rapper “has an obligation to see that area labor standard are met for construction work on their future location.”
Protestors have placed four twenty foot blow-up rats facing the club. There is also a banner sign that reads: Shame On The 40/40 Club (Jay-Z) For Hurting New York City.
This is not the first time Jigga has come under fire for his club’s alleged shady practices. Jay was sued by workers at the location back in 2008 for allegedly violating minimum wage laws.
The 40/40 club is expected to reopen its doors November 1.

color me legit in that it just so happens i'm one of the people who comments on factual information and not hearsay or gossip. i highly respect folk who know what they are talking about and not parroting what they hear. just the facts buddy, just the facts. thank you vetty much!

so anyway, jay-z has always seemed kind of a slip-shod me first type of guy. when i hear the word trust, he does not come to mind. i hope all the workers in the construction company get the monies and benifits owed them. Now!

Honestly, I don't think Jay-Z sits there pondering whether or not to use union labor... I have a deep seated feeling someone hands him some paperwork, says "J you'll make 150milllion (or whatever number ) more if you go this route" and he signs off on it... I sincerely doubt he's into the minutiae of running his empire, that's what he hires managers for... He's more interested in walkin' red carpets and tonking Beyonce (and who can blame him...)

RenHoek said:

Honestly, I don't think Jay-Z sits there pondering whether or not to use union labor... I have a deep seated feeling someone hands him some paperwork, says "J you'll make 150milllion (or whatever number ) more if you go this route" and he signs off on it... I sincerely doubt he's into the minutiae of running his empire, that's what he hires managers for... He's more interested in walkin' red carpets and tonking Beyonce (and who can blame him...)

So, he has no responsibility himself for making sure his money is spent on projects that are in concordance with his personal values? He's not to blame, because he's not interested in his investments on micro-level?

I agree with you though. I can't blame him for being with Beyonce; I would.

Vendetta1 said:

Why single out Jay-Z? I could name 15 companies off the top of my head who shit on the small guy to make a buck.

Agreed. Most western wealth is based on exploiting people for cheap labor. And the majority of the big companies are lead by white males. It's no secret they don't have other peoples well being in their mind, just greed in order to have a luxureous (private) life style.

However, I expected that someone from his background would not enter and continue that game for profit without conscience. I'm just wondering

purplemonster04 said:

And now he's implanted his demon foetus, which will ultimately destroy the world, in Beyonce.

Yep. 12-12-12 is doomsday. Wouldn't be surprised if their baby is the seed of the evil spreading on us that day.

[Edited 9/4/11 13:49pm]

SUPRMAN said:

dJJ said:

He's so rich, he can afford to spend his money on useless things and not donate it to charity.

http://www.nydailynews.co...n_a_w.html

He's not hiring carpenters that are union members, so he doesn't have to comply to union rules. That is why the union has placed huge air rats in front of his club that is renovated by cheap labor:

http://ny.curbed.com/arch...s_club.php

Your precious unions?

[EDITED]

No-work jobs in a mob-linked union could add nearly $100 million to the public cost of rebuilding Ground Zero, a new report charges.

The Real Estate Board of New York, a major developers' group, says antiquated rules let a cadre of crane and heavy equipment workers pocket six-figure paychecks for little more than showing up.

In the next three years the no-work jobs, controlled by Locals 14 and 15 of the Operating Engineers, could add $96.2 million to the cost of World Trade Center projects, the REBNY says.

The projects include the Freedom Tower, the transit hub, the 9/11 Memorial and surrounding street work.

Contractor and union sources confirmed that the eight tower cranes at the WTC site guarantee a bonanza for Local 14 operating engineers and the Local 15 specialists who fix them.

On one day in mid-March, for example, contractors said 56 of 204 Local 14 and Local 15 employees on site held no-work jobs.

The board compiled the statistics in the runup to contract talks with the operating engineers and all the city's construction unions, which start next month.

Local 14 and 15 officials did not return calls seeking comment.

Many of the jobs are vestiges of an era in which the Colombo and Genovese crime families controlled Locals 14 and 15. Local 14 has been under a federal monitor since 2009.

One example is the full-time Local 14 "master mechanics" the contractor must hire whenever five pieces of heavy equipment or three tower cranes are in use.

With a $135,000 base salary, a master mechanic can make a staggering $405,000 a year with overtime that's guaranteed by six-day, 12- to 16-hour-a-day schedules. Welfare benefits, insurance and other costs hike the annual bill to $700,000 for that one mechanic.

It's a ridiculous requirement, REBNY says, because the manufacturer or crane owner does the repairs, not the contractor's master mechanics.

Instead, they are glorified shop stewards, a part-time job in most unions. With three required on site a day, that should cost about $6.3 million through 2013, the board says.

Master mechanic Carl Carrara Sr., identified as a Genovese associate, was charged in a 2003 racketeering conspiracy as the mob's point man in a no-show scam at the Museum of Modern Art.

He and six other master mechanics pleaded guilty that year in two cases that put much of Local 14 and 15's leadership behind bars.

http://articles.nydailyne...wer-cranes

I don't see the relevance of this for the subject of the thread. That he, probably n'sync with the law, doesn't pay his carpenters very well. Eventhough he has enough to do so.

Vendetta1 said:

Why single out Jay-Z? I could name 15 companies off the top of my head who shit on the small guy to make a buck.

I am sure you can name them. They're out there.

dJJ said:

Vendetta1 said:

Why single out Jay-Z? I could name 15 companies off the top of my head who shit on the small guy to make a buck.

Agreed. Most western wealth is based on exploiting people for cheap labor. And the majority of the big companies are lead by white males. It's no secret they don't have other peoples well being in their mind, just greed in order to have a luxureous (private) life style.

However, I expected that someone from his background would not enter and continue that game for profit without conscience. I'm just wondering

I agree with everything except the last part. Tons of people get rich who come from a poor background, get rich and give less than a damn about the old 'hood. Yeah, you would think some of those people would give back but, being the jaded person I am, I don't expect anything from anyone.

dJJ said:

SUPRMAN said:

Your precious unions?

[EDITED]

No-work jobs in a mob-linked union could add nearly $100 million to the public cost of rebuilding Ground Zero, a new report charges.

The Real Estate Board of New York, a major developers' group, says antiquated rules let a cadre of crane and heavy equipment workers pocket six-figure paychecks for little more than showing up.

In the next three years the no-work jobs, controlled by Locals 14 and 15 of the Operating Engineers, could add $96.2 million to the cost of World Trade Center projects, the REBNY says.

The projects include the Freedom Tower, the transit hub, the 9/11 Memorial and surrounding street work.

Contractor and union sources confirmed that the eight tower cranes at the WTC site guarantee a bonanza for Local 14 operating engineers and the Local 15 specialists who fix them.

On one day in mid-March, for example, contractors said 56 of 204 Local 14 and Local 15 employees on site held no-work jobs.

The board compiled the statistics in the runup to contract talks with the operating engineers and all the city's construction unions, which start next month.

Local 14 and 15 officials did not return calls seeking comment.

Many of the jobs are vestiges of an era in which the Colombo and Genovese crime families controlled Locals 14 and 15. Local 14 has been under a federal monitor since 2009.

One example is the full-time Local 14 "master mechanics" the contractor must hire whenever five pieces of heavy equipment or three tower cranes are in use.

With a $135,000 base salary, a master mechanic can make a staggering $405,000 a year with overtime that's guaranteed by six-day, 12- to 16-hour-a-day schedules. Welfare benefits, insurance and other costs hike the annual bill to $700,000 for that one mechanic.

It's a ridiculous requirement, REBNY says, because the manufacturer or crane owner does the repairs, not the contractor's master mechanics.

Instead, they are glorified shop stewards, a part-time job in most unions. With three required on site a day, that should cost about $6.3 million through 2013, the board says.

Master mechanic Carl Carrara Sr., identified as a Genovese associate, was charged in a 2003 racketeering conspiracy as the mob's point man in a no-show scam at the Museum of Modern Art.

He and six other master mechanics pleaded guilty that year in two cases that put much of Local 14 and 15's leadership behind bars.

http://articles.nydailyne...wer-cranes

I don't see the relevance of this for the subject of the thread. That he, probably n'sync with the law, doesn't pay his carpenters very well. Eventhough he has enough to do so.

Unions don't have clean hands either.

free2bfreeda said:

dJJ said:

You don't have acces to news? Do you live in a country with a censorship on google for news?

free2freeda replies: i do have access to the news, however is it not proper protocol to post a link to your thread, instead of expecting responses to possibly incorrect information?

so without being asked i found the following source.

now i can post my comment with a link source.

Jay-Z 40/40 Club Under Fire For Bad Labor Practices

Posted in Music on September 2, 2011

http://www.themathhattan....practices/

Jay-Z’s NYC 40/40 Club is under renovation and under fire from the New York City District Council of Carpenters.
The union is claiming that the company which was hired to make renovations, Conelle Construction Corp., “does not meet area labor standards, including providing or fully paying for family healthcare and pension for all of its carpenter craft employees,” according to a statement.
The NYCDCC also claims Conelle Construction Corp. is paying its workers “substandard wages” and holds owner Jay-Z responsible, saying the rapper “has an obligation to see that area labor standard are met for construction work on their future location.”
Protestors have placed four twenty foot blow-up rats facing the club. There is also a banner sign that reads: Shame On The 40/40 Club (Jay-Z) For Hurting New York City.
This is not the first time Jigga has come under fire for his club’s alleged shady practices. Jay was sued by workers at the location back in 2008 for allegedly violating minimum wage laws.
The 40/40 club is expected to reopen its doors November 1.

color me legit in that it just so happens i'm one of the people who comments on factual information and not hearsay or gossip. i highly respect folk who know what they are talking about and not parroting what they hear. just the facts buddy, just the facts. thank you vetty much!

so anyway, jay-z has always seemed kind of a slip-shod me first type of guy. when i hear the word trust, he does not come to mind. i hope all the workers in the construction company get the monies and benifits owed them. Now!

Jay-Z does not have an obligation to see that area labor standards are met. The contractor does.

They just want to use his name for publicity for their greivances.

Cheap.