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Reply #150 posted 08/21/11 3:25am

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Chelsea FINALLY admits her and Fiddy hooked up. Like we didn't know. I will give Fiddy credit, though. I always thought Chelsea was definitely smashable, so props to him. lol

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Chelsea Handler on 50 Cent: ‘We Had Sex. It Was Fun’

Did 50 Cent meet his match in Chelsea Handler? She always seems to talk about him in a way that alludes that he was the one chasing her down and she eventually took a test drive with the ‘magic stick’ before sending it back to the dealer.

After months of denying that she and 50 cent were anything more than ‘casual friends’, Chelsea revealed that they had sex, at least once. She tells Esquire:

“[50 Cent and I ] were friends. We’re not friends really anymore. I haven’t spoken to him in a while… we had sex. It was fun.”

Earlier this year, while speaking with Piers Morgan, Chelsea downplayed her involvement with 50 Cent as just ‘sampling the atmosphere’

In December, US Weekly reported that Chelsea left 50 Cent heartbroken after dumping him just before the holidays. He allegedly sent her gifts but she sent them back with a note that said, ‘I can buy my own gifts’. Of the incident, she told Pier Morgan:

I don’t really like gifts from rappers in general since I’m not a hooker. I don’t like when men buy me ridiculous gifts especially when I don’t know them well. I can buy my own gifts.”

EVERYBODY knew Curtis was dickin' her down, she had no choice but to own up to it lol

and alex, I'm gonna have to disagree with you this time, I don't see that much appeal to Chelsea neutral

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Reply #151 posted 08/21/11 1:13pm

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bboy87 said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Chelsea FINALLY admits her and Fiddy hooked up. Like we didn't know. I will give Fiddy credit, though. I always thought Chelsea was definitely smashable, so props to him. lol

http://necolebitchie.com/...t-was-fun/

Chelsea Handler on 50 Cent: ‘We Had Sex. It Was Fun’

Did 50 Cent meet his match in Chelsea Handler? She always seems to talk about him in a way that alludes that he was the one chasing her down and she eventually took a test drive with the ‘magic stick’ before sending it back to the dealer.

After months of denying that she and 50 cent were anything more than ‘casual friends’, Chelsea revealed that they had sex, at least once. She tells Esquire:

EVERYBODY knew Curtis was dickin' her down, she had no choice but to own up to it lol

and alex, I'm gonna have to disagree with you this time, I don't see that much appeal to Chelsea neutral

She has nice legs and her boobs are still on point, but that's about it. A few years ago she looked a lot more fresh. She's looking haggard now from too much hard living. Hollywood ain't necessarily a gal's best friend...or it least it's not kind to one's skin.

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Reply #152 posted 08/21/11 1:20pm

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Ottensen said:

bboy87 said:

EVERYBODY knew Curtis was dickin' her down, she had no choice but to own up to it lol

and alex, I'm gonna have to disagree with you this time, I don't see that much appeal to Chelsea neutral

She has nice legs and her boobs are still on point, but that's about it. A few years ago she looked a lot more fresh. She's looking haggard now from too much hard living. Hollywood ain't necessarily a gal's best friend...or it least it's not kind to one's skin.

Is she a smoker? In most cases.. that'll do your skin in over time.

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Reply #153 posted 08/21/11 2:16pm

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Ottensen said:

bboy87 said:

EVERYBODY knew Curtis was dickin' her down, she had no choice but to own up to it lol

and alex, I'm gonna have to disagree with you this time, I don't see that much appeal to Chelsea neutral

She has nice legs and her boobs are still on point, but that's about it. A few years ago she looked a lot more fresh. She's looking haggard now from too much hard living. Hollywood ain't necessarily a gal's best friend...or it least it's not kind to one's skin.

Maybe this is why I still think she'd get the business from me. lol She was certifiable hotter not that long ago, and she still can look that way in certain shots or angles on her show, but she definitely WAS a lot better looking.

Either way, bboy, I'd def still hit it!! razz

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Reply #154 posted 08/22/11 4:21am

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RHONJ.....before I read Jay's hilarious blog on the Bravo site, just wanted to give my brief two cents on this week's episode:

ASHLEY....somebody please throw this heffa down a flight of steps. The awful things she said about her mom then having the nerve to call her a bitch in her own home that she is living in rent free????? Forget what Caroline said that if her kids treated her like that they would have a black, shit that heffa would have had two black eyes, a broken arm and big ass foot print on her ass. At that point, why is it that Jaqueline and Chris STILL were trying to talk to her calmly???? Why do they keep having so much hope in this bratty bitch? The minute after she called Jacqueline a bitch, Jacqueline shouldn't had said nothing else but flung her bratty ass across into the next room, then proceed to go up to her room, take all of Ashley's things and then flung them outside the window on the lawn and told her ass to get the fuck out and never come back again. Oh and yeah, that Jeep they bought her, would have had to stay at the house. NO way would I kick her ass out and let her take the vehicle that I paid for. no no no! I don't get this child at all. Why is she so damn ungrateful??? The way she kept saying that Jacqueline acts immature and keeps talking..telling her to shut up. Umm hell to the fucking naw. She got me heated and I don't even know none of them hookers personally.

Caroline's daughter should had fired Ashley, but instead, like everybody else, she feels that if she does fire her then she's pushing Ashley over the edge. rolleyes Sure. If it was anybody else slacking on that logo T-shirt job, they would had been gone by now...just as she said, so why oh why is she STILL giving Ashley yet another chance that she is going to fail at? disbelief

TERESA....at first when the season started, I was giving Teresa the benefit of the doubt...her sister-in-law and cousin were ganging up on her in my eyes, nearly obsessed with bashing her and just wanted TV air time. Well after last night's episode, Teresa is looking more like the childish bitch in this whole scenario. I have to give to Kathy's boring ass...the woman keeps trying and trying to get into Teresa's good graces and burn grudges, but Teresa just can't help herself to take digs and make everything about her. rolleyes I'm even wondering why Teresa showed up at all if she can't stand Kathy at all. There's nothing I hate more than a woman who creates drama when olive branches are trying to be given out. disbelief

MELISSA....is nothing but an instigator. She claims she's the one trying to make peace and not the one causing drama, blah blah blah...yet she runs over to Kathy's house the first chance she gets to tell Kathy all about the nasty things Teresa said about her and her husband. Wow Melissa, you really are trying to maintain bonds here rolleyes When Teresa comes then you smile in her face and grin as if you are an innocent angel. Sure Teresa is at fault for a lot of what has been happening but Melissa has surely been adding fuel to the fire as well.

We didn't get to see the men's this week, but by looking at the previews, it will be made up for next week. Heading over to the Bravo site to laugh my tail off at Jay's blog.....

I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince.
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Reply #155 posted 08/22/11 5:34am

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falloff This shit is crazy!!! Have some class to go wit dat ass, heffas!

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Mugshot Mania: Who Knew B...t the Law?

Aug, 17 2011 | Written by ATLien

Is rocking booty shorts or daisy dukes a crime now?

Legal opinions vary, but for those of you who have a big “A”zzz, rocking cheek baring shorts could definitely get you arrested. :shock:

Being that many cities have adopted policies on urban...n’ pants, it’s only fair that you ladies be forced to wear “socially accepted” attire as well.

That being said… two chicks were recently arrested for wearing shorts that revealed too much of their bodacious booties.

Details below:

Police in Memphis, Tennessee arrested the 2 women above last weekend, after they chose to rock their booty shorts in the hot Summertime weather.

The ladies were apparently stopped, questioned and subsequently arrested after officers noticed their shorts were exposing way too much of their large “A”ssets:

According to an affidavit, 20-year-old Regina Milligan and 22-year-old Brittney Wise were arrested after being stopped by an officer working a routine patrol in the area of Firestone and Thomas in northwest Memphis.

The document says that both women were wearing grey shorts that exposed their buttocks. When police asked the women if they had a change of clothes, they said “no”.

Both women were then arrested and charged with indecent exposure. (READ MORE)

I guess the moral of this story is… if you have to much “A”zz cover it up with class. (I shoulda been a rapper!) *giggle*

Remember FOL’s Deelishus in those true religion shorts…

Yeah.. she woulda been under the jail! <img src=" />

In light of the saggin’ pants ordinance passed in Jonesboro, GA recently, could booty shorts be next?

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Reply #156 posted 08/22/11 6:14am

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eek eek eek eek eek eek

Former RHOA Star Lisa Wu-Hartwell and Ed Hartwell Split

Lisa Wu-Hartwell and Ed Hartwell Call it Quits
Former "Real Housewives of Atlanta" star, Lisa Wu-Hartwell, recently confirmed she and her hubby of 5 years, Ed Hartwell, are indeed splitting.

Although they're calling it quits, the reality TV star says she and Hartwell are not separating because of finances as certain sites have suggested:
"Sadly. We r separated but wld NEVER b over money. That is so far frm the truth. Wish ppl cld respect ppl's privacy during times like these," Lisa Tweeted.

The couple has already started making adjustments with Lisa switching to her maiden name on Twitter, while Ed changed his Facebook status to "Separated."

Despite the sad break-up, Lisa reportedly told a good friend she and Hartwell will stay close for the support of their 3-year-old son, EJ, theybf.com reports.


Read more: http://www.essence.com/2011/08/21/former-rhoa-star-lisa-wu-hartwell-and-ed-hartwell-split/#ixzz1VlNTazUI

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Reply #157 posted 08/22/11 7:41am

alexnvrmnd777

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eek eek eek eek eek eek

Former RHOA Star Lisa Wu-Hartwell and Ed Hartwell Split

Lisa Wu-Hartwell and Ed Hartwell Call it Quits
Former "Real Housewives of Atlanta" star, Lisa Wu-Hartwell, recently confirmed she and her hubby of 5 years, Ed Hartwell, are indeed splitting.

Although they're calling it quits, the reality TV star says she and Hartwell are not separating because of finances as certain sites have suggested:
"Sadly. We r separated but wld NEVER b over money. That is so far frm the truth. Wish ppl cld respect ppl's privacy during times like these," Lisa Tweeted.

The couple has already started making adjustments with Lisa switching to her maiden name on Twitter, while Ed changed his Facebook status to "Separated."

Despite the sad break-up, Lisa reportedly told a good friend she and Hartwell will stay close for the support of their 3-year-old son, EJ, theybf.com reports.


Read more: http://www.essence.com/2011/08/21/former-rhoa-star-lisa-wu-hartwell-and-ed-hartwell-split/#ixzz1VlNTazUI

I always thought she was the finest of all the Housewives (the entire series). Good! Now a brutha finally has a chance. *slicks back eyebrows in the mirror*

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Reply #158 posted 08/22/11 8:28am

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alexnvrmnd777 said:

missfee said:

eek eek eek eek eek eek

Former RHOA Star Lisa Wu-Hartwell and Ed Hartwell Split

Lisa Wu-Hartwell and Ed Hartwell Call it Quits
Former "Real Housewives of Atlanta" star, Lisa Wu-Hartwell, recently confirmed she and her hubby of 5 years, Ed Hartwell, are indeed splitting.

Although they're calling it quits, the reality TV star says she and Hartwell are not separating because of finances as certain sites have suggested:
"Sadly. We r separated but wld NEVER b over money. That is so far frm the truth. Wish ppl cld respect ppl's privacy during times like these," Lisa Tweeted.

The couple has already started making adjustments with Lisa switching to her maiden name on Twitter, while Ed changed his Facebook status to "Separated."

Despite the sad break-up, Lisa reportedly told a good friend she and Hartwell will stay close for the support of their 3-year-old son, EJ, theybf.com reports.


Read more: http://www.essence.com/2011/08/21/former-rhoa-star-lisa-wu-hartwell-and-ed-hartwell-split/#ixzz1VlNTazUI

I always thought she was the finest of all the Housewives (the entire series). Good! Now a brutha finally has a chance. *slicks back eyebrows in the mirror*

spit How much money you got??? Cuz she ain't fuckin' wit no broke nuccas. hmph!

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Reply #159 posted 08/22/11 10:24am

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SCNDLS said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

I always thought she was the finest of all the Housewives (the entire series). Good! Now a brutha finally has a chance. *slicks back eyebrows in the mirror*

spit How much money you got??? Cuz she ain't fuckin' wit no broke nuccas. hmph!

Exactly. The real reason why they breaking up is because he couldn't get a contract to play in the NFL anymore = she couldn't be a trophy wife anymore.

I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince.
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Reply #160 posted 08/22/11 10:44am

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Who is coming back to Basketball Wives for season four? Shaunie O’Neal, the producer of the show, says the new season will have more balance. She admits the show is heavy handed with all the fighting. Meeka Claxton, the wife of Speedy Claxton, won’t be back. She lost steam after getting slapped by Tami Roman. Royce Reed may not be back. She wants more money, and she is starting to venture out with more projects.

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Reply #161 posted 08/22/11 12:04pm

alexnvrmnd777

SCNDLS said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

I always thought she was the finest of all the Housewives (the entire series). Good! Now a brutha finally has a chance. *slicks back eyebrows in the mirror*

spit How much money you got??? Cuz she ain't fuckin' wit no broke nuccas. hmph!

Well, let's just put it this way. Super-sizing it is about as lavish as I can be able to do for her. But I have a GREAT personality!!!! biggrin lol

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Reply #162 posted 08/22/11 12:08pm

alexnvrmnd777

missfee said:

SCNDLS said:

spit How much money you got??? Cuz she ain't fuckin' wit no broke nuccas. hmph!

Exactly. The real reason why they breaking up is because he couldn't get a contract to play in the NFL anymore = she couldn't be a trophy wife anymore.

Nuh-uh. She said herself that that wasn't true on Twitter:

lisa wu
Sadly.We r seperated but wld NEVER b over money. That is so far frm the truth. Wish ppl cld respect ppl's privacy during times like these

20 Aug

So, who you gonna believe? Her, or everbody else in the world who says it's hella true?!! Lol!

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Reply #163 posted 08/22/11 12:15pm

alexnvrmnd777

SCNDLS said:

Who is coming back to Basketball Wives for season four? Shaunie O’Neal, the producer of the show, says the new season will have more balance. She admits the show is heavy handed with all the fighting. Meeka Claxton, the wife of Speedy Claxton, won’t be back. She lost steam after getting slapped by Tami Roman. Royce Reed may not be back. She wants more money, and she is starting to venture out with more projects.

Okay, Royce can't stand them heffas and hates them with such a passion, but she's willing to go back on the show for another season?? Riiiight. I know if I truly couldn't stand some muhfuckas like she claims, there's no amount of money that they would wanna pay me that would get me to live and operate around them for another shooting schedule. She wasn't all that important to this past season anyway. I wonder if they're going to replace Meeka with someone or just leave the "circle" the way it.

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Reply #164 posted 08/22/11 12:45pm

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I just read somebody saying Shaunie looked liked an Uno Draw 4 card at the reunion faint

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Reply #165 posted 08/22/11 5:14pm

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Somebody get Tami some meds please Why she cussin' in Haitian now??? faint

In one breaf, I don't talk about your husband, in the next breaf, Your husband lucked up on a team for a championship disbelief

Not even the nigga on injury reserve got it sigh Somebody get herrrrr!!!

Dayum! Them LA "wives" look ROUGH!!! eek

[Edited 8/22/11 18:00pm]

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Reply #166 posted 08/22/11 5:32pm

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Okay, peoples, what's the consensus:

Are we fucking with La-la and TO's shows or not? hmmm

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Reply #167 posted 08/23/11 8:40am

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BET Star's Hubby Arrested For Bringing Gun to Airport

The husband of Lil Wayne's baby mama #1 Toya Carter -- who co-stars alongside her in the BET reality show "Toya: A Family Affair" -- was arrested today at an airport in Atlanta ... after he allegedly tried to bring a gun onto an airplane.

Law enforcement tells TMZ, Mickey "Memphitz" Wright put his backpack through the X-ray scanner at Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport -- and TSA agents quickly discovered the firearm and called the cops.

According to police, Wright had a valid license to carry the weapon ... insisting he had simply forgotten the gun was in his bag -- but it's still illegal to bring it on a plane.

Wright was arrested on the spot and transferred to a nearby jail. He is still in custody.

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Reply #168 posted 08/23/11 9:43am

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alexnvrmnd777 said:

missfee said:

Nuh-uh. She said herself that that wasn't true on Twitter:

lisa wu
Sadly.We r seperated but wld NEVER b over money. That is so far frm the truth. Wish ppl cld respect ppl's privacy during times like these

20 Aug

So, who you gonna believe? Her, or everbody else in the world who says it's hella true?!! Lol!

I'm going to believe what I believe to be true which is what she said is a bunch of BS cuz we all know how them 'diggers roll. Once the money dries up, they gone.

I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince.
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Reply #169 posted 08/23/11 9:46am

alexnvrmnd777

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BET Star's Hubby Arrested For Bringing Gun to Airport

The husband of Lil Wayne's baby mama #1 Toya Carter -- who co-stars alongside her in the BET reality show "Toya: A Family Affair" -- was arrested today at an airport in Atlanta ... after he allegedly tried to bring a gun onto an airplane.

Law enforcement tells TMZ, Mickey "Memphitz" Wright put his backpack through the X-ray scanner at Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport -- and TSA agents quickly discovered the firearm and called the cops.

According to police, Wright had a valid license to carry the weapon ... insisting he had simply forgotten the gun was in his bag -- but it's still illegal to bring it on a plane.

Wright was arrested on the spot and transferred to a nearby jail. He is still in custody.

What a stupid DUMBASS!!!! She sure knows how to pick 'em! disbelief

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Reply #170 posted 08/23/11 9:48am

alexnvrmnd777

SCNDLS said:

Okay, peoples, what's the consensus:

Are we fucking with La-la and TO's shows or not? hmmm

I'm still feelin' them out. I like the TO show and that first ep of the new season, but this is really my first time watching an entire episode of LaLa, and I felt meh. So, we'll see.

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Reply #171 posted 08/23/11 9:49am

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alexnvrmnd777 said:

SCNDLS said:

BET Star's Hubby Arrested For Bringing Gun to Airport

The husband of Lil Wayne's baby mama #1 Toya Carter -- who co-stars alongside her in the BET reality show "Toya: A Family Affair" -- was arrested today at an airport in Atlanta ... after he allegedly tried to bring a gun onto an airplane.

Law enforcement tells TMZ, Mickey "Memphitz" Wright put his backpack through the X-ray scanner at Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport -- and TSA agents quickly discovered the firearm and called the cops.

According to police, Wright had a valid license to carry the weapon ... insisting he had simply forgotten the gun was in his bag -- but it's still illegal to bring it on a plane.

Wright was arrested on the spot and transferred to a nearby jail. He is still in custody.

What a stupid DUMBASS!!!! She sure knows how to pick 'em! disbelief

And you know she'll be pregnant by this knucklehead before the end of the year confused

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Reply #172 posted 08/23/11 9:53am

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alexnvrmnd777 said:

SCNDLS said:

Okay, peoples, what's the consensus:

Are we fucking with La-la and TO's shows or not? hmmm

I'm still feelin' them out. I like the TO show and that first ep of the new season, but this is really my first time watching an entire episode of LaLa, and I felt meh. So, we'll see.

Yeah, the whole ACL storyline is REAL drama unlike the rest of that fake dating and dealing with his publicists BS. They are still being VERY vague about exactly how he did that shit. No way it just popped on its own considering his physical shape. I also liked seeing Dr. Andrews that man is a genius in his field. This oughta be interesting.

Lala irks me. I can't stand her voice, and she looks like a bootleg Kim K. But it was nice seeing Kelly in a normal setting. She's always seemed really sweet. So, since ain't shit else on I'll prolly stick it out.

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Reply #173 posted 08/23/11 10:10am

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BET Star's Hubby Arrested For Bringing Gun to Airport

The husband of Lil Wayne's baby mama #1 Toya Carter -- who co-stars alongside her in the BET reality show "Toya: A Family Affair" -- was arrested today at an airport in Atlanta ... after he allegedly tried to bring a gun onto an airplane.

Law enforcement tells TMZ, Mickey "Memphitz" Wright put his backpack through the X-ray scanner at Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport -- and TSA agents quickly discovered the firearm and called the cops.

According to police, Wright had a valid license to carry the weapon ... insisting he had simply forgotten the gun was in his bag -- but it's still illegal to bring it on a plane.

Wright was arrested on the spot and transferred to a nearby jail. He is still in custody.

Genius...............

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Reply #174 posted 08/23/11 12:52pm

Ottensen

alexnvrmnd777 said:

SCNDLS said:

Okay, peoples, what's the consensus:

Are we fucking with La-la and TO's shows or not? hmmm

I'm still feelin' them out. I like the TO show and that first ep of the new season, but this is really my first time watching an entire episode of LaLa, and I felt meh. So, we'll see.

Okay, I'm late, I been gone all day: what the heck is TO, y'all?

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Reply #175 posted 08/23/11 1:01pm

Ottensen

SCNDLS said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

What a stupid DUMBASS!!!! She sure knows how to pick 'em! disbelief

And you know she'll be pregnant by this knucklehead before the end of the year confused

Okay, he was dumb as hell for not taking his gun out of his luggage, but after watching this season of Toya's show, Memphizt (or however n' the hell he spells his name) and his family really is a step up for Toya. He's a stand up dude, he just stupid.

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Reply #176 posted 08/23/11 1:04pm

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Ottensen said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

I'm still feelin' them out. I like the TO show and that first ep of the new season, but this is really my first time watching an entire episode of LaLa, and I felt meh. So, we'll see.

Okay, I'm late, I been gone all day: what the heck is TO, y'all?

The T.O. (Terrell Owens) Show's on VH1 and is now starting its 3rd season. You should check it out.

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Reply #177 posted 08/23/11 1:07pm

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SCNDLS said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

I'm still feelin' them out. I like the TO show and that first ep of the new season, but this is really my first time watching an entire episode of LaLa, and I felt meh. So, we'll see.

Yeah, the whole ACL storyline is REAL drama unlike the rest of that fake dating and dealing with his publicists BS. They are still being VERY vague about exactly how he did that shit. No way it just popped on its own considering his physical shape. I also liked seeing Dr. Andrews that man is a genius in his field. This oughta be interesting.

Lala irks me. I can't stand her voice, and she looks like a bootleg Kim K. But it was nice seeing Kelly in a normal setting. She's always seemed really sweet. So, since ain't shit else on I'll prolly stick it out.

Yeah, he's a beast at what he does, and has been doing it for as long as I can remember! Can you imagine how much he pulls in in a year?!??!! Dude is LOADED! lol

Do you buy that the girl TO once proposed to (I forget her name) is "just a friend" and just wants to remain that way? She seems awfully up in it to just be or want to be "buddy buddy" with an ex and someone who just proposed to her.

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Reply #178 posted 08/23/11 1:22pm

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Ottensen said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

I'm still feelin' them out. I like the TO show and that first ep of the new season, but this is really my first time watching an entire episode of LaLa, and I felt meh. So, we'll see.

Okay, I'm late, I been gone all day: what the heck is TO, y'all?

Fine ass Terrell Owens he's a football player who has a show with his two busy-body publicists

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Reply #179 posted 08/23/11 2:43pm

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bawl Why Lisa and Ed Hartwell gotta be splittin' up?

bawl bawl Why Will and Jada gotta be splittin' up? confused Well I kinda know why but still...dayum.

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I'M NOT SAYING YOU'RE UGLY. YOU JUST HAVE BAD LUCK WHEN IT COMES TO MIRRORS AND SUNLIGHT!
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