What's the matter with kids today and why doesn't anyone want them around? In June, Malaysia Airlines banned babies from many of their first class cabins, prompting other major airlines to consider similar policies.

Lately, complaints about screaming kids are being taken seriously, not only by airlines, but by hotels, movie theaters, restaurants, and even grocery stores.

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Earlier this month, McDain's, a Pittsburgh area restaurant that banned kids under 6 became a mascot for the no-kids-zone movement.

According to a Pittsburgh local news poll, more than half of area residents were in favor of the ban. And now big business is paying attention.

"Brat bans could well be the next frontier in destination and leisure-product marketing," writes Robert Klara in an article on the child-free trend in AdWeek.

Klara points to Leavethembehind.com, a travel website for kid-free vacations, with a massive list of yoga retreats, luxury resorts and bargain hotels around the world that ban children.

"Call me a grinch, a misanthrope, a DINK (dual-income-no-kids), or the anti-cute-police, but I hate (hate a thousand times over) ill-behaved children/infants/screaming banshees in upscale restaurants (ok, anywhere, really, but I don’t want any death threats)," writes Charlotte Savino on Travel and Leisure's blog. She lists a slew of a popular destination restaurants with kid-free areas and policies for travelers looking for quiet vacation dining.

Traveling is one thing, but what about in kids' own hometowns? Should kids been banned from local movie theaters, like they were at a recent adults-only Harry Potter screening? In Texas, one cinema chain has even flipped the model, banning kids under six altogether, except on specified "baby days".

Even running errands with toddlers may be changing. This summer Whole Foods stores in Missouri are offering child-free shopping hours (kids are allowed inside but childcare service is available for parents who want to shop kid-free.) Meanwhile in Florida, a controversy brews over whether kids can be banned from a condominium's outdoor area. That's right, some people don't even want kids outdoors.

When did kids become the equivalent of second-hand smoke? Blame a wave of childless adults with money to spare. "Empty nesters continue to wield a huge swath of discretionary spending dollars, and population dips in first-world countries mean more childless couples than ever," writes AdWeek's Klara.

Catering to the child-free community may be good for business but is it good for parents? It could help narrow choices and make kid-friendly environments even kid-friendlier. And let's be honest, babies won't miss flying first class. They won't even remember it. But their moms and dads will.

Most parents with young children have self-imposed limits on spending and leisure. This new movement imposes limits set by the public. And the public isn't as child-friendly as it used to be. As businesses respond to their new breed of 'first-class' clientele, are parents in danger of becoming second-class citizens?

I believe Bill Cosby may have a lot to do with this movement about 28 years before.

wont be long and babies wont even be allowed in the womb or maternity wards

orger said:

wont be long and babies wont even be allowed in the womb or maternity wards

I had to read your comment again. You don't think that's happened already? Tubes tied mean anything to you?

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orger said:

wont be long and babies wont even be allowed in the womb or maternity wards

Sounds like a good idea to me

Now that my kids are grown and I ain't a grandmother, I think my tolerance level has dropped considerably concerning kids, especially when I'm shopping and their running around like banshees. Can we cage them? I think I'm jealous cause I still remember I'd got my little legs wore the heck out for being that dang noisy.

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orger said:

wont be long and babies wont even be allowed in the womb or maternity wards

In the womb they are pretty quiet. Maternity wards are generally avoidable unless you work there.

If people are having fewer children there should be fewer brats running around but face it.

Everywhere simply isn't ok for children.

Some parents fail to grasp that concept.

SCNDLS said:

orger said:

wont be long and babies wont even be allowed in the womb or maternity wards

Sounds like a good idea to me

yeah, but you're a communist

SUPRMAN said:

orger said:

wont be long and babies wont even be allowed in the womb or maternity wards

In the womb they are pretty quiet. Maternity wards are generally avoidable unless you work there.

If people are having fewer children there should be fewer brats running around but face it.

Everywhere simply isn't ok for children.

Some parents fail to grasp that concept.

completely agree...what i said wasn't in any form of seriousness...

but I will add that too many adults have forgotten that they were once children or what it was like to be a child...kids can get on my nerves as much as the next person but they rank pretty low on my list of annoyances

orger said:

SCNDLS said:

Sounds like a good idea to me

yeah, but you're a communist

And a racist so keep your white ding a ling away from me

[Edited 7/27/11 14:20pm]

orger said:

SUPRMAN said:

In the womb they are pretty quiet. Maternity wards are generally avoidable unless you work there.

If people are having fewer children there should be fewer brats running around but face it.

Everywhere simply isn't ok for children.

Some parents fail to grasp that concept.

completely agree...what i said wasn't in any form of seriousness...

but I will add that too many adults have forgotten that they were once children or what it was like to be a child...kids can get on my nerves as much as the next person but they rank pretty low on my list of annoyances

Kids are only an irritant in situations. I live in an apartment and there are children around. I don't have a problem with that. Run, yell, play - be a kid.

But not in a movie theater, restaurant or someplace else where I am paying for an experience.

Parents seem to assume that because they want the same experience, I have to put up with their child(ren). Forgetting they chose children. I wouldn't want children running around at work. Parents can grasp that . . . .

I mean, there are definitely times where kids get on your last nerve and you just wanna because they're so damn irritating.

But, for the most part, I love to see kids running around supermarkets, playing with siblings, going batshit crazy and having the time of their lives wherever they are. Who else can do that besides for children? It's endearing, really. I love children and I love their natural qualities. I believe that children are perfect until adults train/program them. They are trained out of their imaginations, their beautiful curiosity and wonder and playfulness by society and adults. We ruin them and kids remind me of what I think we should be. We stress out sometimes we don't know how to be happy.

A little off-topic, yes, but I think that we all have something to learn from children.

...remember what Picasso said?

“Every child is an artist. The problem is how to remain an artist once we grow up.”

Why don't so much of us remain artists? We are trained out of it.

Am I right or should I have not read Catcher in the Rye?

I often wonder how completely child free flights would work, it sounds impractical.

As it is I've noticed they seat babies and toddles to the back of the plane on longer flights, which IS and ISN'T so good. One of the cons is that babies who cry tend to wake up otherwise sleeping babies and then you end up with a whole bunch of babies crying.

I was heartbroken when my 6 year old was in such pain with his ears on the descent on our flight home in May, he sat there silently, tears streaming down his face, and I was helpless to alleviate the pain. I'd bought him ear planes (which work for me) but his ears are so small they won't stay in

ZombieKitten said:

I often wonder how completely child free flights would work, it sounds impractical.

As it is I've noticed they seat babies and toddles to the back of the plane on longer flights, which IS and ISN'T so good. One of the cons is that babies who cry tend to wake up otherwise sleeping babies and then you end up with a whole bunch of babies crying.

I was heartbroken when my 6 year old was in such pain with his ears on the descent on our flight home in May, he sat there silently, tears streaming down his face, and I was helpless to alleviate the pain. I'd bought him ear planes (which work for me) but his ears are so small they won't stay in

Chewing licorice and drinking water non stop will help a lot. I have a problem adjusting the pressure in my ears on planes.

Yaaaay! Bring it! Like I said in the last thread on this topic, I will gladly spend my money to support businesses who adopt this stance.

kewlschool said:

ZombieKitten said:

I often wonder how completely child free flights would work, it sounds impractical.

As it is I've noticed they seat babies and toddles to the back of the plane on longer flights, which IS and ISN'T so good. One of the cons is that babies who cry tend to wake up otherwise sleeping babies and then you end up with a whole bunch of babies crying.

I was heartbroken when my 6 year old was in such pain with his ears on the descent on our flight home in May, he sat there silently, tears streaming down his face, and I was helpless to alleviate the pain. I'd bought him ear planes (which work for me) but his ears are so small they won't stay in

Chewing licorice and drinking water non stop will help a lot. I have a problem adjusting the pressure in my ears on planes.

for me gum works, but getting him to do that is so hard, when he is in that much pain he withdraws into himself all I can do by that stage is just hold him

Sheeit I'm all for it and I HAVE kids... mind you my girls are sweet but other folks kids are a hot-fuckin' mess!!

and this "let-your-kids-act-a-damn-fool" parenting method is clearly not working...

If people could control their kids this wouldn't be an issue. But if you conrol them too much, it's child abuse.

On Sunday, me and my homie went to Cici's pizza to chill. We eatin pizza, but who is running around the damn place, 3 little kids. And no, not in the game room area, (yes there is an area for kids) these lil cats is all by the food grabbing plates and shit.

I'm with my homie like "no way could we do this when we younger and live to see another day."

LittleBLUECorvette said:

If people could control their kids this wouldn't be an issue. But if you conrol them too much, it's child abuse.

On Sunday, me and my homie went to Cici's pizza to chill. We eatin pizza, but who is running around the damn place, 3 little kids. And no, not in the game room area, (yes there is an area for kids) these lil cats is all by the food grabbing plates and shit.

I'm with my homie like "no way could we do this when we younger and live to see another day."

and there it is...

RenHoek said:

and this "let-your-kids-act-a-damn-fool" parenting method is clearly not working...

LittleBLUECorvette said:

If people could control their kids this wouldn't be an issue. But if you conrol them too much, it's child abuse.

On Sunday, me and my homie went to Cici's pizza to chill. We eatin pizza, but who is running around the damn place, 3 little kids. And no, not in the game room area, (yes there is an area for kids) these lil cats is all by the food grabbing plates and shit.

This is exactly the kind of stuff I commented about on the last thread and I got MAD hate for it.

RenHoek said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

If people could control their kids this wouldn't be an issue. But if you conrol them too much, it's child abuse.

On Sunday, me and my homie went to Cici's pizza to chill. We eatin pizza, but who is running around the damn place, 3 little kids. And no, not in the game room area, (yes there is an area for kids) these lil cats is all by the food grabbing plates and shit.

I'm with my homie like "no way could we do this when we younger and live to see another day."

and there it is...

I remember I did something at church I think, I think I got bad cause I couldn't get a cracker and juice when it was goin around. I said "mama, I'm hungry too, how come I don't get none" She said "I'll give you some alright."

Took me in the church nursey and ... let's just say I was never hungry again.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

If people could control their kids this wouldn't be an issue. But if you conrol them too much, it's child abuse.

On Sunday, me and my homie went to Cici's pizza to chill. We eatin pizza, but who is running around the damn place, 3 little kids. And no, not in the game room area, (yes there is an area for kids) these lil cats is all by the food grabbing plates and shit.

I'm with my homie like "no way could we do this when we younger and live to see another day."

There is NOTHING I hate more than when parents let kids serve themselves at a buffet. Pawing all the clean plates and utensils and shit not saying a gatdamn word to their spawn. Makes me wanna push ALL their asses down.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

RenHoek said:

and there it is...

I remember I did something at church I think, I think I got bad cause I couldn't get a cracker and juice when it was goin around. I said "mama, I'm hungry too, how come I don't get none" She said "I'll give you some alright."

Took me in the church nursey and ... let's just say I was never hungry again.

The fact that you don't clearly remember the incident is a sign of good parenting cuz she obviously whupped your ass to the point you've blocked it out.

SCNDLS said:

orger said:

SCNDLS said:

And a racist so keep your white ding a ling away from me

[Edited 7/27/11 14:20pm]

It's tan-ish...I think my "ding a ling" may be puerto rican

Well, then you part African! Come on with it and bring your paper bag cuz there will be an inspection cuz I know you trynna pass.

SCNDLS said:

!!!! Why the fuck did I just try to read this shit while drinking some damned coffee!

You mofos are gonna choke a bitch to death!

I love my kids.... just my kids though.

RenHoek said:

Sheeit I'm all for it and I HAVE kids... mind you my girls are sweet but other folks kids are a hot-fuckin' mess!!

and this "let-your-kids-act-a-damn-fool" parenting method is clearly not working...

OMGGG this is how my brother parents... Ive have been places with them and his kids are acting up and I say something and he's like, "they are just being kids Tina" Um, NO, there being shitholes dear brother

LittleBLUECorvette said:

If people could control their kids this wouldn't be an issue. But if you conrol them too much, it's child abuse.

On Sunday, me and my homie went to Cici's pizza to chill. We eatin pizza, but who is running around the damn place, 3 little kids. And no, not in the game room area, (yes there is an area for kids) these lil cats is all by the food grabbing plates and shit.

I'm with my homie like "no way could we do this when we younger and live to see another day."

Exactly!!