or not?

Some say that scholarships are more than is enough compensation.

Others say no pay those kids !!

Personally i think a scholarship is enough. From a person who has to pay for school a scholarship is more than enough. However, i dont think these kids shoould lose there scholarship just because they can't perform well in their sport. That's not fair and its a slap in the face to student atheletes.

I think the student has to keep a certain gpa to maintain it though.

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I think many of them do get paid!

No.

You would have to pay every student athelete in the lot...even the swimmers and jai lai players. LOL. That would only be fair.

The universities make millions of dollars off of the money making sports however, and they

should be held accountable for doing something positive with that money.

How about using that money to subsidize costs for every student???? duh.

Yes, I am available to run the country...write me in.

NDRU said:

I think many of them do get paid!

True but its against the rules

NDRU said:

I think many of them do get paid!

GREAT point

Revolution said:

No.

You would have to pay every student athelete in the lot...even the swimmers and jai lai players. LOL. That would only be fair.

The universities make millions of dollars off of the money making sports however, and they

should be held accountable for doing something positive with that money.

How about using that money to subsidize costs for every student???? duh.

Yes, I am available to run the country...write me in.

That would be great! but then the school would just be a community college

Only the big name players in certain sports get played.

The question the OP asked is why I detest the NCAA. They're a bunch of fucking hypocrites, trying to pretend college football/basketball is amateur athletics. Bullshit. It's a billion-dollar, cold-blooded American business, where the pressure on coaches to win is enormous. The NCAA, TV network suits and their shills like Dick Vitale rake in the cash off the backs of the "kids", many of whom come from poor and working-class families. Look at the salaries of the big-time coaches like Rick Pitino, John Calipari and Coach K. It's insane. Calipari even said, "if a kid wants to make me rich, he'll stay in school. If he wants to make himself and his family rich, he'll go pro". That's it in a nutshell, folks. Damn right they should get paid, but it'll never, ever happen because of Title IX. You'd have to pay every athlete, male and female, in every college sport.

WFAN's Mike Francesca had a solution to clean up college sports. Every university president should tell his AD and football/basketball coaches, I don't care what your record is, as long as you make sure the players go to class, get educated and graduate on time. As Mike said, see how far that goes with the higher-ups at the NCAA & CBS, not to mention the alumni at these big schools.

Anyone hear about the lawsuit filed against EA Sports(the makers of NCAA videogames) by ex-players? EA uses everything(stats, numbers, likenesses) but the dudes names. The ex-players are saying, uh-uh, we have to get paid.

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4 Sex Yes......................

Let's make college affordable first. Then we can worry about paying the roid heads.

Hell no.

People need to realize that there's more college sports than football and basketball. Those two generate 90% of the college sports revenue. If you're gonna pay, then you have to pay everyone. And that would be impossible. Plus they already get their education paid for, most people aren't so lucky and have to graduate in a mountain of debt.

Alot of the schools with good football and basketball teams have exceptional research facilities and staff. Just alittle something to ponder on.

There are alot of school, middle and high, offering students cash as incentive for better grades.

lazycrockett said:

There are alot of school, middle and high, offering students cash as incentive for better grades.

This is true !

In my high school their were two adv. calculus classes and almost every one in both classes were failing badly. Maybe about 2-4 people where passing in both class. Of course my dumb self was failing with flying colors but my teacher offered tutorial and tons of extra credit and writing assignments. One my friends that was in the other class said the teacher was charging $300 for C's $500 for B's & 800 for A's at the end of the semester. . She got a C in the class

formallypickles said:

lazycrockett said:

There are alot of school, middle and high, offering students cash as incentive for better grades.

This is true !

But teachers cheat the system too

In my high school their were two adv. calculus classes and almost every one in both classes were failing badly. Maybe about 2-4 people where passing in both class. Of course my dumb self was failing with flying colors but my teacher offered tutorial and tons of extra credit and writing assignments. One my friends that was in the other class said the teacher was charging $300 for C's $500 for B's & 800 for A's at the end of the semester. . She got a C in the class

if they get paid so too should student Musicians, Artists, Writers, Actors, etc etc etc

They all make a contribution and they all give their time......If u r going to pay the sports ppl u should also look after the Arts other wise NO

formallypickles said:

Alot of the schools with good football and basketball teams have exceptional research facilities and staff. Just alittle something to ponder on.

Not paid for by the athletic department.

FuzzyWitch said:

if they get paid so too should student Musicians, Artists, Writers, Actors, etc etc etc

They all make a contribution and they all give their time......If u r going to pay the sports ppl u should also look after the Arts other wise NO

I think of the Reggie Bush situation. Do y'all have any idea how much money USC and the NCAA made in #5 USC jersey sales alone in the years he was playing there? It's ridiculous.

As for the college activities besides football and basketball...please. Several of these schools wouldnt have volleyball, water polo, lacrosse and all that if it wasnt for their football programs and the money they bring in. As soon as some company pays tens of millions of dollars to have the badminton championships televised and sponsered by them, then those secondary sports will have an argument.

As for football and basketball...students should not be "paid" but they should get some kind of a monthly allowance for clothes, food, etc. (I think they do get a small amount now but it's only for them to eat when they are on the road) Taking some kid who runs a 4.4 40 yard dash out of the ghetto where his mother can barely afford to keep food on the table for her other children and telling him the only money he can have over the next 3-4 years is what his mom can afford to give him while the school and the NCAA gets rich...SILLY.

SUPRMAN said:

formallypickles said:

Alot of the schools with good football and basketball teams have exceptional research facilities and staff. Just alittle something to ponder on.

Not paid for by the athletic department.

oh really..

With the exception of the ivy legues, The schools in the major conferences(ACC,SEC, PAC10, BIGEAST..) have amazing facilities.

Most of these schools get millions from there football team alone.

College football is big business is not even funny...

You dont think teams just play each other for free. Plus selling paraphernalia/ sold out studiums filling thousands of students.

Its sicken

StonedImmaculate said:

FuzzyWitch said:

if they get paid so too should student Musicians, Artists, Writers, Actors, etc etc etc

They all make a contribution and they all give their time......If u r going to pay the sports ppl u should also look after the Arts other wise NO

I think of the Reggie Bush situation. Do y'all have any idea how much money USC and the NCAA made in #5 USC jersey sales alone in the years he was playing there? It's ridiculous.

As for the college activities besides football and basketball...please. Several of these schools wouldnt have volleyball, water polo, lacrosse and all that if it wasnt for their football programs and the money they bring in. As soon as some company pays tens of millions of dollars to have the badminton championships televised and sponsered by them, then those secondary sports will have an argument.

As for football and basketball...students should not be "paid" but they should get some kind of a monthly allowance for clothes, food, etc. (I think they do get a small amount now but it's only for them to eat when they are on the road) Taking some kid who runs a 4.4 40 yard dash out of the ghetto where his mother can barely afford to keep food on the table for her other children and telling him the only money he can have over the next 3-4 years is what his mom can afford to give him while the school and the NCAA gets rich...SILLY.

yes but what about the very talented artistic kids... they need 2 eat 2..... how come it's not important to get them out of the streets and into an education where they can maximize their talents????

it just all seems one sided 2 me....... which is what i think is wrong with the whole concept of paying kids 4 what they do best.....

i am not from the USA - it's just an outsiders observation... and its not like that here, so its easy 4 me to make assumptions and if i'm, wrong, then so b it

FuzzyWitch said:

StonedImmaculate said:

I think of the Reggie Bush situation. Do y'all have any idea how much money USC and the NCAA made in #5 USC jersey sales alone in the years he was playing there? It's ridiculous.

As for the college activities besides football and basketball...please. Several of these schools wouldnt have volleyball, water polo, lacrosse and all that if it wasnt for their football programs and the money they bring in. As soon as some company pays tens of millions of dollars to have the badminton championships televised and sponsered by them, then those secondary sports will have an argument.

As for football and basketball...students should not be "paid" but they should get some kind of a monthly allowance for clothes, food, etc. (I think they do get a small amount now but it's only for them to eat when they are on the road) Taking some kid who runs a 4.4 40 yard dash out of the ghetto where his mother can barely afford to keep food on the table for her other children and telling him the only money he can have over the next 3-4 years is what his mom can afford to give him while the school and the NCAA gets rich...SILLY.

yes but what about the very talented artistic kids... they need 2 eat 2..... how come it's not important to get them out of the streets and into an education where they can maximize their talents????

it just all seems one sided 2 me....... which is what i think is wrong with the whole concept of paying kids 4 what they do best.....

i am not from the USA - it's just an outsiders observation... and its not like that here, so its easy 4 me to make assumptions and if i'm, wrong, then so b it

The art department doesnt have the NFL asking for their studens.

Plus people dont see Art as a real degree i know sad

[Edited 7/16/11 2:12am]

formallypickles said:

FuzzyWitch said:

yes but what about the very talented artistic kids... they need 2 eat 2..... how come it's not important to get them out of the streets and into an education where they can maximize their talents????

it just all seems one sided 2 me....... which is what i think is wrong with the whole concept of paying kids 4 what they do best.....

i am not from the USA - it's just an outsiders observation... and its not like that here, so its easy 4 me to make assumptions and if i'm, wrong, then so b it

The art department doesnt have the NFL asking for their studens.

Plus people dont see Art as a real degree i know sad

[Edited 7/16/11 2:12am]

and playing football is a recognized degree!!!

FuzzyWitch said:

formallypickles said:

The art department doesnt have the NFL asking for their studens.

Plus people dont see Art as a real degree i know sad

[Edited 7/16/11 2:12am]

and playing football is a recognized degree!!!

Yep Might as well be

You really need to play for a college team before you can play pro

its not like basketball where you can go straight from highschool

Like my dad says "Football is a grown mans game" College prepares them for the Pros

High schoolers could never play with NFL players

They need time to develop there bodies and learn the game of football

Every sport is different.

[Edited 7/16/11 2:48am]

StonedImmaculate said:

FuzzyWitch said:

if they get paid so too should student Musicians, Artists, Writers, Actors, etc etc etc

They all make a contribution and they all give their time......If u r going to pay the sports ppl u should also look after the Arts other wise NO

I think of the Reggie Bush situation. Do y'all have any idea how much money USC and the NCAA made in #5 USC jersey sales alone in the years he was playing there? It's ridiculous.

As for the college activities besides football and basketball...please. Several of these schools wouldnt have volleyball, water polo, lacrosse and all that if it wasnt for their football programs and the money they bring in. As soon as some company pays tens of millions of dollars to have the badminton championships televised and sponsered by them, then those secondary sports will have an argument.

As for football and basketball...students should not be "paid" but they should get some kind of a monthly allowance for clothes, food, etc. (I think they do get a small amount now but it's only for them to eat when they are on the road) Taking some kid who runs a 4.4 40 yard dash out of the ghetto where his mother can barely afford to keep food on the table for her other children and telling him the only money he can have over the next 3-4 years is what his mom can afford to give him while the school and the NCAA gets rich...SILLY.

Nio, it's not.

He doesn't have to go to college. He can get a job and go to community college or work. It's not required that he accept a full scholarship at a top tier school or even a lesser athletic school.

The idea after all is that the student gets a free education.

I do think the NCAA should stop being so petty in their rules, that anything someone does is likely to result in an infraction.

I'm in favor of simply adding spending money to the scholarship. They should not be 'paid' as if it were a career or a job already.

formallypickles said:

SUPRMAN said:

Not paid for by the athletic department.

oh really..

With the exception of the ivy legues, The schools in the major conferences(ACC,SEC, PAC10, BIGEAST..) have amazing facilities.

Most of these schools get millions from there football team alone.

College football is big business is not even funny...

You dont think teams just play each other for free. Plus selling paraphernalia/ sold out studiums filling thousands of students.

Its sicken

All I'm saying is that the money from the athletic department does not go to build research facilities for the university.

Title IX guarantees that football and basketball revenues fund other sports, not academics.

formallypickles said:

FuzzyWitch said:

yes but what about the very talented artistic kids... they need 2 eat 2..... how come it's not important to get them out of the streets and into an education where they can maximize their talents????

it just all seems one sided 2 me....... which is what i think is wrong with the whole concept of paying kids 4 what they do best.....

i am not from the USA - it's just an outsiders observation... and its not like that here, so its easy 4 me to make assumptions and if i'm, wrong, then so b it

The art department doesnt have the NFL asking for their studens.

Plus people dont see Art as a real degree i know sad

[Edited 7/16/11 2:12am]

The NFL doesn't ask schools for their athletes.

The athletes come to the NFL.

Same with the NBA.

They graduate, express their interest, wait for an invite to the Combine and/or wait to be drafted.

If you aren't drafted, you go from door to door, showcasing and selling your skill and ability. If no one wants you, you get a job and hope someone does before you are too old to play.

FuzzyWitch said:

formallypickles said:

The art department doesnt have the NFL asking for their studens.

Plus people dont see Art as a real degree i know sad

[Edited 7/16/11 2:12am]

and playing football is a recognized degree!!!

Where? Schools and the degree titles please.

formallypickles said:

FuzzyWitch said:

and playing football is a recognized degree!!!

Yep Might as well be

You really need to play for a college team before you can play pro

its not like basketball where you can go straight from highschool

Like my dad says "Football is a grown mans game" College prepares them for the Pros

High schoolers could never play with NFL players

They need time to develop there bodies and learn the game of football

Every sport is different.

[Edited 7/16/11 2:48am]

You can get to the NFL without going to college though.

It's just harder to get attention.

SUPRMAN said:

formallypickles said:

Yep Might as well be

You really need to play for a college team before you can play pro

its not like basketball where you can go straight from highschool

Like my dad says "Football is a grown mans game" College prepares them for the Pros

High schoolers could never play with NFL players

They need time to develop there bodies and learn the game of football

Every sport is different.

[Edited 7/16/11 2:48am]

You can get to the NFL without going to college though.

It's just harder to get attention.

You can but outta of hundreds very very few have no college experience

Not saying you have to go straight from school but to have no college experience is not likely you make it to the pros.

SUPRMAN said:

formallypickles said:

The art department doesnt have the NFL asking for their studens.

Plus people dont see Art as a real degree i know sad

[Edited 7/16/11 2:12am]

The NFL doesn't ask schools for their athletes.

The athletes come to the NFL.

Same with the NBA.

They graduate, express their interest, wait for an invite to the Combine and/or wait to be drafted.

If you aren't drafted, you go from door to door, showcasing and selling your skill and ability. If no one wants you, you get a job and hope someone does before you are too old to play.

^ you cant tell me teams dont pay off agents to bribe these students to playing for them.

Yes... it own really happens to popular players but none the less...

It happens all the time.