StillGotIt said:

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StillGotIt said:

Painted: OMG...they are so precious!!!! But its so surprise.....they are your kids. You are one of the greatest moms I know.

Now.....first I will say that the article points to extreme cases. If they were to draft a law, would it require that the 3 year old must be 100lbs or more? When I see a 3 year old that is too fat to walk, I say the caretaker is probably a little fucked in the head and needs help learning how to properly care for the child. They are usually training the child to be an obese person. Its the same way I feel when I see children who always have ringworm, lice, or who are ill tempered, just have no self control or social skills--they are not born like that, its been taught.

Our school cafeterias feed nothing but junk and around here, a newstory recently broke that the processed foods they are feeding are kids often are past the expiration date. Its all fries, pizzas, subs, fruit that is of bad or low quality etc. In private school, my children had salads, soups, healthy breads, fresh veggies and fruits--the families in private obviously have the money. Fresh produce here is often very expensive, and low income families, if they don't follow the food truck around the city, cannot afford the vegetables. Usually in the summer there are more options, but in the winter, good luck affording fresh produce.

I have been blessed in that I am able to afford to give my children healthy foods for all of their lives, but make no mistake, I often gasp at the price of things as it goes into my cart. I had an $8 bunch of grapes that wasn't very big, a $5 container of strawberries, a bag of Salad greens is often about $4, blueberries are $4 to $5 for the tiniest carton, blackberries and rasberries are so highly priced that I have all but stopped eating them--half the size of the tiny blueberry carton for the same price. Even a head of friggin iceberg lettuce is close to $2....and its not one store, its all of them. Its appalling. The over processed foods that have little nutritional value give far more bang for your buck.

as much as I love food, I seriously think that if I had a backyard in the States, my ass would seriously be learning how to grow sh*t. I remember when I was little, people used to clown my next door neighbors for growing vegetables in the city and giving away fruit from their trees. When I think about it now, you don't know what I would give to have them pluck a head of lettuce, throw me some tomatoes, and pass a bucket of cherries across my mothers fence. My sister is always in money woes of the cost of feeding a family of 4 as a housewife with a husband who only likes organic; I told her to take her ass in the backyard with some Martha Stewart seeds and make use of all that garden space she has (which they wanted to cover with a garden deck).

To a degree how fit/healthy/attractive your kids are is a significant reflection on your parenting ability, obviously, as we know about the relative chances of success in life on average for taller, fitter, better looking people, but I can understand many of the reactions to this.

Solution - be vegan. Fuck all that meat and dairy bullshit.

Machaela said:

SUPRMAN said:

that's tells me nothing about what's wrong with food sources that the government needs to do something about.

If you can't educate me, why bother?

It's not my job or desire to educate a fellow adult on subjects that are public access I can state my opinion here anytime on anything I want ~ THAT'S the point

I was not talking directly TO YOU and have no desire to educate you ... that's something I KNOW you can and do do for yourself Right ?

This is GD on a PRINCE site ... not some serious government food law discussion board

I should have you when I was a Mod ! ( JUST KIDDING !! )

I love your debate and PROVE it style in P&R but I am not willing to engage on that level in GD hun !

So your opinions aren't fact based. Got it.

SUPRMAN said:

Machaela said:

It's not my job or desire to educate a fellow adult on subjects that are public access I can state my opinion here anytime on anything I want ~ THAT'S the point

I was not talking directly TO YOU and have no desire to educate you ... that's something I KNOW you can and do do for yourself Right ?

This is GD on a PRINCE site ... not some serious government food law discussion board

I should have you when I was a Mod ! ( JUST KIDDING !! )

I love your debate and PROVE it style in P&R but I am not willing to engage on that level in GD hun !

So your opinions aren't fact based. Got it.

Nice ASSumption ~

I have a 4 yr minor degree in nutrition but yeah keep on keeping on with you thoughts

When I was in school, there was a couple of boys that got everything that other kids didn't want at lunch. We LOVED piling their plates up wth shit we wouldn't eat. The teachers weren't paying attention.... what the hell are parents supposed to do about that? There are numerous other ways to get extra food.

I think some people are just big... sure, you should pay attention but lose custody??

Not unless they are willing to give a tons of support to family that goes far and beyond tossing a few pamphlets their way then making losing custody the last resort to a growing problem. Of course my first thought is where the hell is the government getting all this money that they got a place to house clothe and feed these extra kids and yet I keep reading about all these schools that don't have enough textbooks, cutting back on school staff due to lack of funding or that they're scaling back on financial aid to higher education student. Seems to me the answer to majority of these "new" problems is simply educating your population in the first place. So I'm perplexed.

so will teachers and doctors and day care workers now be required by law under criminal penalty to report if sally may seems to be too large?

Can we take a kid away from parents because he's TOO fit???

10-Year-Old 'Workout Kid' Has Grade Schoolers Sweating And Football Coaches Drooling

C.J. Senter might be the next Tony Horton or the next Barry Sanders, but he is definitely the next 10-year-old to watch.

Granted, when most people hear "child prodigy," they rightfully raise an eyebrow and wonder who is pulling the strings. Add a workout DVD by a fourth-grader with sculpted muscles to the mix and "cute" can turn to "concerning." But it turns out the story behind "C.J. The Workout Kid" is a lot more inspiring than insidious.

C.J. started working out five years ago when his football coach told him and his teammates to go home over a weekend and get some exercise. He did some push-ups and sit-ups and loved it. Not too long after, he saw a P90X infomercial and loved that too. He's been working out ever since. C.J. does his own routines three times a week, after school and homework, and he's given new names to some old and boring moves, like the burpee, which involves a squat, push-up, and jump. C.J. calls that one the "shredder." He even teaches a class of (mostly older) kids at the gym near where he lives in Locust Grove, Ga.

Full story here;

http://www.thepostgame.co...-coaches-d

morningsong said:

Not unless they are willing to give a tons of support to family that goes far and beyond tossing a few pamphlets their way then making losing custody the last resort to a growing problem. Of course my first thought is where the hell is the government getting all this money that they got a place to house clothe and feed these extra kids and yet I keep reading about all these schools that don't have enough textbooks, cutting back on school staff due to lack of funding or that they're scaling back on financial aid to higher education student. Seems to me the answer to majority of these "new" problems is simply educating your population in the first place. So I'm perplexed.

and there it is.

PurpleJedi said:

Can we take a kid away from parents because he's TOO fit???

10-Year-Old 'Workout Kid' Has Grade Schoolers Sweating And Football Coaches Drooling

I would want him tested for drug use. I am doubtful that that is natural. And even then i am not sure that kind of thing is not harmful to his health and growth. I do not care if he is doing it on his own. He seems to have some difficulty regulating this behavior and his parents might be neglectful by allowing it to continue.

paintedlady said:

Let's put things in perspective shall we?

These are my kids, they are considered overweight by my doctor's standards as pictured.... If they gain 20 lbs they will be obese... so I should have my kids taken away from me because I am deliberately trying to kill my kids slowly?

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Yeah, take away people's kids instead of teaching them to feed their kids in healthier ways.... I am sure you would be first to volunteer to feed and raise and love other people's children.

Your kids look perfectly normal and not by any means overweight. The physician is going by the BMI (Body Mass Index) scale. The AMA need to revise that BMI scale. I'm a 40 year old man. I'm 5'6. According to the current BMI scale, if I manage to get down to 170 lbs, I'll still be considered overweight. I will not be at a "safe" weight until I hit 150 lbs (WTF!), which ain't never gonna happen.

[Edited 7/19/11 8:50am]

OnlyNDaUsa said:

PurpleJedi said:

Can we take a kid away from parents because he's TOO fit???

10-Year-Old 'Workout Kid' Has Grade Schoolers Sweating And Football Coaches Drooling

I would want him tested for drug use. I am doubtful that that is natural. And even then i am not sure that kind of thing is not harmful to his health and growth. I do not care if he is doing it on his own. He seems to have some difficulty regulating this behavior and his parents might be neglectful by allowing it to continue.

I don't think he's un-naturally "big". Some kids just have it in their genes.

Listen, my little one looks like an athlete with the tiny waist, broad shoulders, and hard abs...and yet he's never played sports and doesn't exercise (besides swimming in summer).

I bet that if he took to working out SERIOUSLY like that C.J. kid, he would have a six-pack and bulging biceps as well.

I'm all over the place about this. Part of me thinks they should, and part of me is strongly against that.

I just know that when I see those really obese toddlers, I get mad as hell at the parents and wonder what kind of parenting they call themselves doing.

PurpleJedi said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I would want him tested for drug use. I am doubtful that that is natural. And even then i am not sure that kind of thing is not harmful to his health and growth. I do not care if he is doing it on his own. He seems to have some difficulty regulating this behavior and his parents might be neglectful by allowing it to continue.

I don't think he's un-naturally "big". Some kids just have it in their genes.

Listen, my little one looks like an athlete with the tiny waist, broad shoulders, and hard abs...and yet he's never played sports and doesn't exercise (besides swimming in summer).

I bet that if he took to working out SERIOUSLY like that C.J. kid, he would have a six-pack and bulging biceps as well.

yeah but still it should be a red flag that he is so cut. I would think an investigation is in order. I rather test the kid for steroids and have it be negative than have him die of a heart attack at 12 years old only then to find them in his system.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

PurpleJedi said:

I don't think he's un-naturally "big". Some kids just have it in their genes.

Listen, my little one looks like an athlete with the tiny waist, broad shoulders, and hard abs...and yet he's never played sports and doesn't exercise (besides swimming in summer).

I bet that if he took to working out SERIOUSLY like that C.J. kid, he would have a six-pack and bulging biceps as well.

yeah but still it should be a red flag that he is so cut. I would think an investigation is in order. I rather test the kid for steroids and have it be negative than have him die of a heart attack at 12 years old only then to find them in his system.

That's because lil kids have very lil body fat compared to adults. You can be cut naturally without exercising at all if you don't have fat covering up your regular muscles. I think the steroids is a big ol stretch.

Metabolism is nothing more than an excuse.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/metabolism/WT00006

"You've probably heard people blame their weight on a slow metabolism, but what does that mean? And is metabolism really the culprit? Is it possible to rev up your metabolism to burn more calories?

While it's true that metabolism is linked to weight, it may not be in the way you expect. In fact, contrary to common belief, a slow metabolism is rarely the cause of excess weight gain. Although your metabolism influences your body's basic energy needs, it's your food and beverage intake and your physical activity that ultimately determine how much you weigh."

"It may be tempting to blame your metabolism for weight gain. But because metabolism is a natural process, your body generally balances it to meet your individual needs. That's why if you try so-called starvation diets, your body compensates by slowing down these bodily processes and conserving calories for survival. Only in rare cases do you get excessive weight gain from a medical problem that slows metabolism, such as Cushing's syndrome or having an underactive thyroid gland (hypothyroidism).

Unfortunately, weight gain is most commonly the result of eating more calories than you burn. To lose weight, then, you need to create an energy deficit by eating fewer calories, increasing the number of calories you burn through physical activity, or both."

"While you don't have much control over the speed of your metabolism, you can control how many calories you burn through your level of physical activity. The more active you are the more calories you burn. In fact, some people who are said to have a fast metabolism are probably just more active — and maybe more fidgety — than are others."

Should parents lose custody of super-obese kids?

If the child's health is in serious jeapordy and it's due to its parents, yes.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

PurpleJedi said:

Can we take a kid away from parents because he's TOO fit???

10-Year-Old 'Workout Kid' Has Grade Schoolers Sweating And Football Coaches Drooling

I would want him tested for drug use. I am doubtful that that is natural. And even then i am not sure that kind of thing is not harmful to his health and growth. I do not care if he is doing it on his own. He seems to have some difficulty regulating this behavior and his parents might be neglectful by allowing it to continue.

You would.

Where is he getting steroids? His parents?!!!!

I think he too young for such intensive weight training. We'll see what happens when he hits puberty. Probably won't be much fun for him.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

PurpleJedi said:

I don't think he's un-naturally "big". Some kids just have it in their genes.

Listen, my little one looks like an athlete with the tiny waist, broad shoulders, and hard abs...and yet he's never played sports and doesn't exercise (besides swimming in summer).

I bet that if he took to working out SERIOUSLY like that C.J. kid, he would have a six-pack and bulging biceps as well.

yeah but still it should be a red flag that he is so cut. I would think an investigation is in order. I rather test the kid for steroids and have it be negative than have him die of a heart attack at 12 years old only then to find them in his system.

He's so cut because his body didn't have any fat to begin with. That's just muscle. It's even more noticeable because it's a ten your old body, not a 17 or so and up body.

Where does a ten year old get steroids. Really?