Eye saw a fat kid 2day struggling 2 walk up a hill with his mum, he was sweating like a pig looked like he was ready 2 pass out!!!!He was about 10 years of age & if hes like that at 10 by 35 he will b fucked!!!!!Thats his mothers fault and she should b punished in some way!!!!Losing custody seems 2 harsh but a huge fine would solve the issue cuz 2 pay that fine would mean less pizza/icecream/cakes/sweets/fizzy pop/chocolate.......

davetherave6767 said:

Eye saw a fat kid 2day struggling 2 walk up a hill with his mum, he was sweating like a pig looked like he was ready 2 pass out!!!!He was about 10 years of age & if hes like that at 10 by 35 he will b fucked!!!!!Thats his mothers fault and she should b punished in some way!!!!Losing custody seems 2 harsh but a huge fine would solve the issue cuz 2 pay that fine would mean less pizza/icecream/cakes/sweets/fizzy pop/chocolate.......

Parents should be threatened with jail time or harsh fines as a last resort if they refuse or fail parenting classes and nutrition classes.

Parents should also be offered family counseling if they have extreme issues of obesity in the family.

Take a fat kid away from home, the kid just gets fat again when they return home.

minneapolisFunq said:

I could eat nothing but lard and I still wouldn't be obese.

It's called exercise.

I don't know if this is the proper punishment but there is no excuse for being EXTREMELY fat.

Being fat is a symptom of a lifestyle... there is every excuse for being extremely fat if that is all you know and live like.

That's the same as a person who smokes to excess, a person who is too skinny, a person who fucks too much, a person who lives in any extreme sort of way....

there are underlying issues to any extreme behavior. Being fat is no exception to that rule.

Also being extremely fat doesn't happen in a day... eating poorly is just like any other bad habit and a hard one to break. Shit people give crack smokers and alcoholics more sympathy.

I never drank too much or felt the need to get high.... in my eyes there's no excuse for that either, but many will say alcoholism is a disease and con not be helped at all.

I would like to think that obesity is easier to overcome than crack addiction lol.

You can still eat generous amounts of food and remain at a manageable size (Lol the definition of maneagable clearly varies significantly from person to person).

Most fat people are lazy people (physically) and they would rather make excuses than do something about their weight.

It is easy to create good habits in the same way that it is easy to create bad habits.

I wasn't singling you out btw. I don't remember you being EXTREMELY fat. lol Maybe you are, I can't recall exactly.

Overweight and OBESE are not the same thing.

minneapolisFunq said:

I would like to think that obesity is easier to overcome than crack addiction lol.

It isn't. Losing weight can be extremely difficult for some people. Especially if the person doesn't see being fat as a problem.

You can still eat generous amounts of food and remain at a manageable size (Lol the definition of maneagable clearly varies significantly from person to person).

Not true, not everyone has the same metabolism, not everyone can excercise. Once you get really huge, it becomes hard to do even the slightest tasks and you give up hope and eat more.

Most fat people are lazy people (physically) and they would rather make excuses than do something about their weight.

True. But why would someone do something they hate doing? Do we look a smokers and say, just stop smoking, and they stop just like that?

Do we look at pregnant teens and say, hey don't have sex! And they stop?

It is easy to create good habits in the same way that it is easy to create bad habits.

Really? Most bad habits feel good, most bad habits are easy to do... its easy to not smoke crack, but people do it.

I wasn't singling you out btw. I don't remember you being EXTREMELY fat. lol Maybe you are, I can't recall exactly.

Oh I know you are not singling me out, I take no offense, but I see many people who are not fat just do not understand what it is like to get fat in the first place.

Overweight and OBESE are not the same thing.

No... but I have been too thin, then overweight, now obese... I understand why and how a person can get fat and stay that way. I am OBESE. Its not that hard if a person's metablolism is shot and most times its women over 30 that tend to have a harder time controlling weight. I myself do not work hard as my friends at maintaining my weight. I am not lazy, I just don't give a damn about being thin. I honestly think I don't look too bad even though I am @ 230lbs. and only 5'5".

I know why and how I got this big.... I am an addict to sweets, and I love to cook. I hate to waste food and I am my kids garbage disposal. So I eat too much since I do not use food as fuel, I eat for pleasure. I eat large portions too. Nothing greasy though... I hate greasy or fried foods. I also eat too much red meat and pork. I love a good steak, but I know I need to slow down... on my "enjoyments".

paintedlady said:

davetherave6767 said:

Eye saw a fat kid 2day struggling 2 walk up a hill with his mum, he was sweating like a pig looked like he was ready 2 pass out!!!!He was about 10 years of age & if hes like that at 10 by 35 he will b fucked!!!!!Thats his mothers fault and she should b punished in some way!!!!Losing custody seems 2 harsh but a huge fine would solve the issue cuz 2 pay that fine would mean less pizza/icecream/cakes/sweets/fizzy pop/chocolate.......

Parents should be threatened with jail time or harsh fines as a last resort if they refuse or fail parenting classes and nutrition classes.

Parents should also be offered family counseling if they have extreme issues of obesity in the family.

Take a fat kid away from home, the kid just gets fat again when they return home.

...or who's to say that the kid wouldn't get stressed-out and eat MORE away from home?

Sandra - your children are in no way, shape or form "fat". LOOK at them! They are healthier than any of those skinny little stick-figures that some parents strive for. Not every kid can be a walking anatomy chart. My youngest is naturally lean...the f*cker was born with g*damned six-pack abs! Meanwhile my oldest and my daughter inherited me/my dad's genes where no matter what, we tend to have a gut. Does that mean that we're overweight? No...but my wife has been told by other mothers that my daughter should be on a diet.

This whole issue being discussed really has to do with kids who are allowed to become morbidly obese. A 500lb 14 year old really is a whole different topic than our kids who have Latin genes.

PurpleJedi said:

paintedlady said:

Parents should be threatened with jail time or harsh fines as a last resort if they refuse or fail parenting classes and nutrition classes.

Parents should also be offered family counseling if they have extreme issues of obesity in the family.

Take a fat kid away from home, the kid just gets fat again when they return home.

...or who's to say that the kid wouldn't get stressed-out and eat MORE away from home?

Sandra - your children are in no way, shape or form "fat". LOOK at them! They are healthier than any of those skinny little stick-figures that some parents strive for. Not every kid can be a walking anatomy chart. My youngest is naturally lean...the f*cker was born with g*damned six-pack abs! Meanwhile my oldest and my daughter inherited me/my dad's genes where no matter what, we tend to have a gut. Does that mean that we're overweight? No...but my wife has been told by other mothers that my daughter should be on a diet.

This whole issue being discussed really has to do with kids who are allowed to become morbidly obese. A 500lb 14 year old really is a whole different topic than our kids who have Latin genes.

Any 400lb teen needs more consideration than simply being ripped from the family... the ENTIRE family needs help if any child is allowed to get huge like that.

No person lives an extreme lifestyle without an enabler present. People FED that kid and made that kid that way... they can make other kids that way too.... siblings are also at risk, so the family needs help not just the kid that has the weight issue, but more the mom and father that have the need to feed any kid in that way.

[Edited 7/15/11 7:04am]

Ottensen said:

Forget about getting to the root problem within the family itself and then focusing on rehabilitation, then, huh? Mmm, mmm, mmm

No. But the first concern is arresting the weight gain.

The family can be in therapy while that is being done.

I don't think the problem is always one within the family itself.

The child could be the heaviest person in the household.

Machaela said:

The Government SHOULD 1st and foremost, do something about the QUALITY of allowed food sorces

Such as what?

What's wrong with the quality of food?

Nothinbutjoy said:

Child Protective Services has enough trouble trying to keep kids safe from physical and mental abuse and sexual assault, now this?

Obesity in children is a symptom of a larger problem. Focus on the larger problem and keep families intact.

If they want to eat themselves to death is that a social problem?

Cerebus said:

Healthier food costs more than what? Value menu fast food? I don't understand that comment at all. Healthier food DOES NOT COST MORE if you are taking the time to make the food yourself. Not only can it cost less, but it can also last longer. If you buy luxory name brand "health foods" because they've fooled you into believing they're "good for you", then yeah, that costs more. But eating whole, natural foods is NOT expensive.

In regards to should they? I don't know. I want to say education, education, education! Which is the one thing the governemnt continues to spend too little on. But even the most intelligent and well-educated people still do stupid shit. I guess it would have to be a case by case basis for me. Like, do they really take the time to get to know the family and figure out why the child is being given so much food, or do they just see a fat kid and react? In the end, though, if they child is in danger its certainly better to try and fix their health problems now. Because they'll only get worse as they get older.

What is the root or the larger problem, though? They can't make a parent give a child less food. The options are to remove the parent or remove the child.

"Machaela said:

The Government SHOULD 1st and foremost, do something about the QUALITY of allowed food sorces"

Could you expand on that? What else could they possibly do? There is already so much information out there being thrown around about food that most people just say, "ah screw it, I'm gonna die someday anyway", and ignore it.

How do you know how much food the child is being given at home?

Is the child under parental supervision 24/7?

The child could be eating without permission or away from home and parental control.

I guess the parents should just not feed their child if he appears fat?

Healtheir food does cost more. Fresh fruits and vegetables? And what if a kid won't eat fruit and/or vegetables? Then what do you do? Beat them until they do? Starve them until they do?

ZombieKitten said:

Cerebus said:

Healthier food costs more than what? Value menu fast food? I don't understand that comment at all. Healthier food DOES NOT COST MORE if you are taking the time to make the food yourself. Not only can it cost less, but it can also last longer. If you buy luxory name brand "health foods" because they've fooled you into believing they're "good for you", then yeah, that costs more. But eating whole, natural foods is NOT expensive.

In regards to should they? I don't know. I want to say education, education, education! Which is the one thing the governemnt continues to spend too little on. But even the most intelligent and well-educated people still do stupid shit. I guess it would have to be a case by case basis for me. Like, do they really take the time to get to know the family and figure out why the child is being given so much food, or do they just see a fat kid and react? In the end, though, if they child is in danger its certainly better to try and fix their health problems now. Because they'll only get worse as they get older.

What is the root or the larger problem, though? They can't make a parent give a child less food. The options are to remove the parent or remove the child.

"Machaela said:

The Government SHOULD 1st and foremost, do something about the QUALITY of allowed food sorces"

Could you expand on that? What else could they possibly do? There is already so much information out there being thrown around about food that most people just say, "ah screw it, I'm gonna die someday anyway", and ignore it.

yes too much, we are swimming in conflicting reports and recommendations

I would also like to agree that fresh produce is the cheapest thing you can buy.

It is not. Chips, cookies, flavored sugar water . . .. . all much cheaper than fresh produce. And they also don't spoil as fast, so you can stock up when they are on sale.

thisisit said:

children are taken from their parents when those children are considered to be unsafe in the custody of those parents.

obesity in children is a form of parental neglect which can shorten the life of their child, drastically.

cant tell me they dont know the difference between good healthy food and vile fattening food. of course they do.

put those children in better care until thier so-called parents understand what good parenting is.

deliberate prolongued manslaughter is not good parenting. obviously.

More assuming that the parent has more control over what the child eats than the child.

SUPRMAN said:

Ottensen said:

Forget about getting to the root problem within the family itself and then focusing on rehabilitation, then, huh? Mmm, mmm, mmm

No. But the first concern is arresting the weight gain.

The family can be in therapy while that is being done.

I don't think the problem is always one within the family itself.

The child could be the heaviest person in the household.

Forcefully removing a child does not solve the problem at all... the child must learn self control in his/her environment. This will not be achieved if you send the child to a different place with different people. Its an entirely different scenario and make more room for failure and regression when the child returns back to his/her family.

paintedlady said:

Cerebus said:

Healthier food costs more than what? Value menu fast food? I don't understand that comment at all. Healthier food DOES NOT COST MORE if you are taking the time to make the food yourself. Not only can it cost less, but it can also last longer. If you buy luxory name brand "health foods" because they've fooled you into believing they're "good for you", then yeah, that costs more. But eating whole, natural foods is NOT expensive.

As a mother of 3 and a fat heffa I will answer.......

In what neighborhood is ramen noodles and Kool-aid more expensive than whole wheat pasta and real fruit?

You obliviously know shit about what is available in most grocery stores... I am finding it increasingly more dificult to by fruit, whole grain bread, fresh meats and poultry.

In the hood the meat is SHIT! It stinks and the better and healthier cuts of meat like chicken breast starts at 4.99/lb. compared to leg quarters @ 1.99/lb ... so what would you buy if you only have 100.00 bucks in your purse?

Most moms buy juices on sale instead of fruit because fruit prices are RIDICULOUS.... unless you only buy bananas. Shit I am now too fucking broke to pay 10.00 muckafucking dollars for a bunch of fucking grapes. And a mango for 4 dollars???? WTF!!!

Frozen veggies are cheaper and the only value a mom can buy, but fresh produce is only cheap when its in season... here, that is ONLY in the late summer, early fall.

Cage free eggs compared to regular eggs full of hormones and bacteria?

Soy milk compared to whole milk in price?

Whole grain bread compared to shit white bread in price?

How about a lean cut of steak compared to some shit hamburger meat that's 60% meat byproduct?

Ever been to a fish market? How much is the fucking tuna, haddock, cod, shrimp.... ?

NOPE! Its cheaper to buy cheap fucking nasty ass breaded fish sticks by the bag... FULL OF SODIUM.

Even the fucking flour that's whole wheat, Basmanti rice, olive oil, are much more expensive than their cheaper less healthy counter parts.... short grain white rice, white flour, corn oil.... so this is WHY kids are fat.

On a budget, fat ass people AND children eat shit like ramen noodles and drink kool-aid and or water, NO FIBER, NO VEGGIES, NO WHOLE GRAIN ANYTHING!!! Fat kids mainly eat cheap white bread, hot dogs, bologna, peanut butter n jelly, spaghetti.... mostly white breads and gluten rich foods which are shit and are purposefully cheap. Add soda because fruit juices are very expensive and now you got a recipe for fat kids.

I am so frustrated at dumb fucks that think heatly foods are cheaper, healthy foods are more expensive in comparison to their unheatlier overprocessed counterparts that are usually laced with tons of corn syrup, MSG, sodium, gluten......

look in the grocery store... I can't even but the no-name brands anymore because they have become popular and even the damn no-name brands are more expensive.

I do my best and feed my kids the healthiest food possible, but I can not buy as much as I can if I choose the healthier products so I understand why many parents choose shit products to feed their kids.... its just cheaper.

OK rant over... I am sick of spending over 700.00 a month to feed my kids decent food. FUCK!

For real!

paintedlady said:

minneapolisFunq said:

I would like to think that obesity is easier to overcome than crack addiction lol.

It isn't. Losing weight can be extremely difficult for some people. Especially if the person doesn't see being fat as a problem.

You can still eat generous amounts of food and remain at a manageable size (Lol the definition of maneagable clearly varies significantly from person to person).

Not true, not everyone has the same metabolism, not everyone can excercise. Once you get really huge, it becomes hard to do even the slightest tasks and you give up hope and eat more.

Most fat people are lazy people (physically) and they would rather make excuses than do something about their weight.

True. But why would someone do something they hate doing? Do we look a smokers and say, just stop smoking, and they stop just like that?

Do we look at pregnant teens and say, hey don't have sex! And they stop?

It is easy to create good habits in the same way that it is easy to create bad habits.

Really? Most bad habits feel good, most bad habits are easy to do... its easy to not smoke crack, but people do it.

I wasn't singling you out btw. I don't remember you being EXTREMELY fat. lol Maybe you are, I can't recall exactly.

Oh I know you are not singling me out, I take no offense, but I see many people who are not fat just do not understand what it is like to get fat in the first place.

Overweight and OBESE are not the same thing.

No... but I have been too thin, then overweight, now obese... I understand why and how a person can get fat and stay that way. I am OBESE. Its not that hard if a person's metablolism is shot and most times its women over 30 that tend to have a harder time controlling weight. I myself do not work hard as my friends at maintaining my weight. I am not lazy, I just don't give a damn about being thin. I honestly think I don't look too bad even though I am @ 230lbs. and only 5'5".

I know why and how I got this big.... I am an addict to sweets, and I love to cook. I hate to waste food and I am my kids garbage disposal. So I eat too much since I do not use food as fuel, I eat for pleasure. I eat large portions too. Nothing greasy though... I hate greasy or fried foods. I also eat too much red meat and pork. I love a good steak, but I know I need to slow down... on my "enjoyments".

aww! but give a damn for your health, it's not about how you look. Your kids love you and want you around for as long as possible!

paintedlady said:

thisisit said:

children are taken from their parents when those children are considered to be unsafe in the custody of those parents.

obesity in children is a form of parental neglect which can shorten the life of their child, drastically.

cant tell me they dont know the difference between good healthy food and vile fattening food. of course they do.

put those children in better care until thier so-called parents understand what good parenting is.

deliberate prolongued manslaughter is not good parenting. obviously.

Let's put things in perspective shall we?

These are my kids, they are considered overweight by my doctor's standards as pictured.... If they gain 20 lbs they will be obese... so I should have my kids taken away from me because I am deliberately trying to kill my kids slowly?

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Yeah, take away people's kids instead of teaching them to feed their kids in healthier ways.... I am sure you would be first to volunteer to feed and raise and love other people's children.

That's probably from some chart.

Obviously your children aren't overweight, nor close to being obese.

The BMI index can't reflect the average body weight of any individual.

thisisit said:

paintedlady said:

Yes, but my idiot Dr can have a 51A written up on me and make a claim of "neglect" over the weight issue.

You see, if my kids are "fat" then where the hell is the standard for "obese"? What is obese?

Don't get me wrong, I know what you mean to say (you speak or huge rolly polly kids that can't breathe right) ... I am Latino and I grew up around a 5 year old that weighed over 100 lbs... but mom was depressed and abused and she had no bad intention towards her child, instead she got therapy and her daughter picked up healthier ways to eat.

BUT- its these doctors that have these charts that call kids like mine FAT/OVERWEIGHT... its ridiculous! And do you know my son was underweight when he was younger, the same doctor recommened that I feed him lots of butter and starchy foods rich in gluten to have him make weight at the scale. The dumb bitch actually cares nothing of my son's heart health or his liver from all the steriods she had my son on because of his asthma.

Yeah, I have a new doctor.... but she's an idiot just like the last one. I swear these pediatricians are so full of

But to the point...

I honestly believe kids will be traumatized if they are ripped from their homes, and most morbidly obese kids eat because they are abused... so to me eating is only a symptom of a much deeper problem. Taking kids away from home will only cause them to take on other bad habits or increase the problem because most fat kids are emotional eaters. IMHO

emotional problems vs early death. lets pander to the childs emotional needs before addressing the looming threat to their actual life life. hmm.

i'm amazed at how many folks are willing to be diplomatic and 'find other solutions' when the only solution is to remove the children from the people who are giving them that food.

i've read the article. educating the parents is on the list, like they dont know right from wrong already.

2011 and so many people with their heads in the sand, so apathetic about everything, always blaming someone else.

if anyone here has morbidly obese children, i hope they seriously think about what they're doing to their kids.

and dont blame it on 'the food they get at school etc' - not everyone's children are fat. apart from genetic factors, why would that be?

by the way, there's no way anyone would take your kids from you. they are normal healthy children and if ur worried about what your idiot doctor is saying then find another one who knows what they are talking about.

you're in control of the situation, not anyone else.

parents of obese children are supposed to be in control of their situation but they wont do anything about it. thats why authorities are debating whether or not to step in.

How shallow.

SUPRMAN said:

That's probably from some chart.

Obviously your children aren't overweight, nor close to being obese.

The BMI index can't reflect the average body weight of any individual.

She did go by this F-ed up chart...

I got angry at her, got a new doctor... and the damn new doctor went by the same charts.

So now when they try to talk to me about nutrition I stop them and in a sweet voice tell them that their charts are bullshit, and if they ever want me to see a Dr again that they need to drop the whole "nutrition" speech with me.

She always gives me a look and leaves, then sends the nurse right in to give my kids shots and sends me away without another word. Bitches.

paintedlady said:

SUPRMAN said:

That's probably from some chart.

Obviously your children aren't overweight, nor close to being obese.

The BMI index can't reflect the average body weight of any individual.

She did go by this F-ed up chart...

I got angry at her, got a new doctor... and the damn new doctor went by the same charts.

So now when they try to talk to me about nutrition I stop them and in a sweet voice tell them that their charts are bullshit, and if they ever want me to see a Dr again that they need to drop the whole "nutrition" speech with me.

She always gives me a look and leaves, then sends the nurse right in to give my kids shots and sends me away without another word. Bitches.

You just need to find a Latin doctor that can appreciate hips.

Shorty said:

paintedlady said:

aww! but give a damn for your health, it's not about how you look. Your kids love you and want you around for as long as possible!

You are right.... I see my aunt and she is diabetic... so yeah, I need to put much less food on my plate.

paintedlady said:

Shorty said:

aww! but give a damn for your health, it's not about how you look. Your kids love you and want you around for as long as possible!

You are right.... I see my aunt and she is diabetic... so yeah, I need to put much less food on my plate.

you can do it! set small goals, like one or 2 lbs, then when you achieve that..set another 1 or 2. I've never had to loose alot of weight, and thank god for that cause...I don't have very good will power. but after my second child I wanted to loose like 20lbs and it seemed impossible. So I started with 2lbs, that seemed so much more doable, when I shed those 2, I went for 2 more and so on. I eventually lost the 20 I wanted to loose. I need to do that again for about 6 more lbs.

good luck mamma!

paintedlady said:

Parents should be threatened with jail time or harsh fines as a last resort if they refuse or fail parenting classes and nutrition classes.

Parents should also be offered family counseling if they have extreme issues of obesity in the family.

Take a fat kid away from home, the kid just gets fat again when they return home.

My child is not overweight due to a high metabolism. However as a single divorced mother, I must share this fact:

1. Single parents sometimes have to work an extra job to get the good quality foods, thus leaving

the child (sometimes) at home unattended or at a free afterschool program. Usually these programs offer snacks that include cookies, cupcakes, sugar filled juices and etc.

2. Nutrition classes many times cost money that reaches beyond the budget.

3. Family counseling cost money

I was just fortunate enough to be able (with my car) to go to good discount grocery stores every other week-end. These stores were very far from my home. Many people do not have cars to take them out of their immediate area to shop at lower priced grocery stores. Forget trying to do this on the bus.

Sometimes when I was too tired to cook, I would go to McDonalds and buy a "happy meal" for less than $4dollars. I knew it was not healthy but it sufficed in getting one fed and full.

If I were to cook the same meal.

frozen chicken nuggets cost $4.00 (lots of sodium)

Fresh chicken cuts would've cost $2.50-4.00

Hamburger buns $2.49

Potatoes for fries -5lb bag $2.99

Oil for the fries $2.99

Fruit is a must (grapes) $1.50 for 1/2lb

Thusly it would cost me $17.00 plus tax to feed the same meal if I would've cooked it.

Not to mention the time spent cooking after getting up at 0-dark early (5:00am), fix breakfast commute 22miles one way to day to be there at 7:00. Be at work at 8:00am, get off at 5:00. Pick up child to go to extended day care. Work PT job from 5:30-8:00pm. Pick up child commute home (22miles) . Most of the time I was exhausted, but I had to make sure the week-ends included time for my child to have time with friends and various sports and the such. Luckily I stayed healthy.

One thing I did do was get up twice a week at 3:00am and cook dinner meals (with left over amounts) before going to work. It was exhausting but I did it. How many parents with more than one child can handle such a rigorous schedule for over 14yrs? I feel sorry for the overweight children, but I cannot criticize the situations especially when a lot of it deals with economics and the areas people live in.

I do not agree that the overweight child should be taken away from their home. To me this will cause a lasting psychological damage to the child. Most become secret bingers.

[Edited 7/15/11 9:12am]

paintedlady said:

Cerebus said:

Healthier food costs more than what? Value menu fast food? I don't understand that comment at all. Healthier food DOES NOT COST MORE if you are taking the time to make the food yourself. Not only can it cost less, but it can also last longer. If you buy luxory name brand "health foods" because they've fooled you into believing they're "good for you", then yeah, that costs more. But eating whole, natural foods is NOT expensive.

As a mother of 3 and a fat heffa I will answer.......

In what neighborhood is ramen noodles and Kool-aid more expensive than whole wheat pasta and real fruit?

You obliviously know shit about what is available in most grocery stores... I am finding it increasingly more dificult to by fruit, whole grain bread, fresh meats and poultry.

In the hood the meat is SHIT! It stinks and the better and healthier cuts of meat like chicken breast starts at 4.99/lb. compared to leg quarters @ 1.99/lb ... so what would you buy if you only have 100.00 bucks in your purse?

Most moms buy juices on sale instead of fruit because fruit prices are RIDICULOUS.... unless you only buy bananas. Shit I am now too fucking broke to pay 10.00 muckafucking dollars for a bunch of fucking grapes. And a mango for 4 dollars???? WTF!!!

Frozen veggies are cheaper and the only value a mom can buy, but fresh produce is only cheap when its in season... here, that is ONLY in the late summer, early fall.

Cage free eggs compared to regular eggs full of hormones and bacteria?

Soy milk compared to whole milk in price?

Whole grain bread compared to shit white bread in price?

How about a lean cut of steak compared to some shit hamburger meat that's 60% meat byproduct?

Ever been to a fish market? How much is the fucking tuna, haddock, cod, shrimp.... ?

NOPE! Its cheaper to buy cheap fucking nasty ass breaded fish sticks by the bag... FULL OF SODIUM.

Even the fucking flour that's whole wheat, Basmanti rice, olive oil, are much more expensive than their cheaper less healthy counter parts.... short grain white rice, white flour, corn oil.... so this is WHY kids are fat.

On a budget, fat ass people AND children eat shit like ramen noodles and drink kool-aid and or water, NO FIBER, NO VEGGIES, NO WHOLE GRAIN ANYTHING!!! Fat kids mainly eat cheap white bread, hot dogs, bologna, peanut butter n jelly, spaghetti.... mostly white breads and gluten rich foods which are shit and are purposefully cheap. Add soda because fruit juices are very expensive and now you got a recipe for fat kids.

I am so frustrated at dumb fucks that think heatly foods are cheaper, healthy foods are more expensive in comparison to their unheatlier overprocessed counterparts that are usually laced with tons of corn syrup, MSG, sodium, gluten......

look in the grocery store... I can't even but the no-name brands anymore because they have become popular and even the damn no-name brands are more expensive.

I do my best and feed my kids the healthiest food possible, but I can not buy as much as I can if I choose the healthier products so I understand why many parents choose shit products to feed their kids.... its just cheaper.

OK rant over... I am sick of spending over 700.00 a month to feed my kids decent food. FUCK!

Totally agree! Fresh produce, organic foods, etc. does cost more, especially in urban areas. It costs the farmer more to grow (in terms of labor) so it already starts out as more expensive than preservative filled junk. Add the cost of transportation and the mark up the store has to take and the cost rises even more.

One thing I have been looking into in NYC is joining a CSA (Community Supported Agriculture); for a set amount ($600 or so) you get 22-25 weeks of fresh, usually organic produce. You can also pay a bit extra for meat, dairy, egg, flower options. It's too late for me to join this year but I think I will try for next year. A lot of the farms offer payment plans and some even have financial aid for lower income households who want. In exchange, you must go pick up the produces once a week at a set location, you can't choose which produce you get (you get what's in season), and you have to volunteer a few hours throughout the season. If you divide $600 by 25 it works out to about $24/week, which is definitely less than you'd pay to buy the same items & quantities at the grocer. You may want to look into it; here's a website that can help you find CSAs near Boston: http://www.farmfresh.org/...?zip=02215

Edit: And you're helping a local business and you know where your food comes from and how it is grown!

[Edited 7/15/11 9:51am]

free2bfreeda said:

paintedlady said:

Parents should be threatened with jail time or harsh fines as a last resort if they refuse or fail parenting classes and nutrition classes.

Parents should also be offered family counseling if they have extreme issues of obesity in the family.

Take a fat kid away from home, the kid just gets fat again when they return home.

My child is not overweight due to a high metabolism. However as a single divorced mother, I must share this fact:

1. Single parents sometimes have to work an extra job to get the good quality foods, thus leaving

the child (sometimes) at home unattended or at a free afterschool program. Usually these programs offer snacks that include cookies, cupcakes, sugar filled juices and etc.

2. Nutrition classes many times cost money that reaches beyond the budget.

3. Family counseling cost money

I was just fortunate enough to be able (with my car) to go to good discount grocery stores every other week-end. These stores were very far from my home. Many people do not have cars to take them out of their immediate area to shop at lower priced grocery stores. Forget trying to do this on the bus.

Sometimes when I was too tired to cook, I would go to McDonalds and buy a "happy meal" for less than $4dollars. I knew it was not healthy but it sufficed in getting one fed and full.

If I were to cook the same meal.

frozen chicken nuggets cost $4.00 (lots of sodium)

Fresh chicken cuts would've cost $2.50-4.00

Hamburger buns $2.49

Potatoes for fries -5lb bag $2.99

Oil for the fries $2.99

Fruit is a must (grapes) $1.50 for 1/2lb

Thusly it would cost me $17.00 plus tax to feed the same meal if I would've cooked it.

Not to mention the time spent cooking after getting up at 0-dark early (5:00am), fix breakfast commute 22miles one way to day to be there at 7:00. Be at work at 8:00am, get off at 5:00. Pick up child to go to extended day care. Work PT job from 5:30-8:00pm. Pick up child commute home (22miles) . Most of the time I was exhausted, but I had to make sure the week-ends included time for my child to have time with friends and various sports and the such. Luckily I stayed healthy.

One thing I did do was get up twice a week at 3:00am and cook dinner meals (with left over amounts) before going to work. It was exhausting but I did it. How many parents with more than one child can handle such a rigorous schedule for over 14yrs? I feel sorry for the overweight children, but I cannot criticize the situations especially when a lot of it deals with economics and the areas people live in.

I do not agree that the overweight child should be taken away from their home. To me this will cause a lasting psychological damage to the child. Most become secret bingers.

[Edited 7/15/11 9:12am]

I totally get what you're saying, I get McD's for the kids from time to time too, sometimes too much.... but in all fairness all that stuff you bought would make more than one meal. if it made 4 meals they'd be 4.25 each. if it made 5 it would be 3.40 each and you put burger buns on there...when you were makin' chix nugs. (oversight I'm sure) Not to mention the oil would extend way beyond the handful of meals as well as the potatoes

free2bfreeda said:

paintedlady said:

Parents should be threatened with jail time or harsh fines as a last resort if they refuse or fail parenting classes and nutrition classes.

Parents should also be offered family counseling if they have extreme issues of obesity in the family.

Take a fat kid away from home, the kid just gets fat again when they return home.

My child is not overweight due to a high metabolism. However as a single divorced mother, I must share this fact:

1. Single parents sometimes have to work an extra job to get the good quality foods, thus leaving

the child (sometimes) at home unattended or at a free afterschool program. Usually these programs offer snacks that include cookies, cupcakes, sugar filled juices and etc.

2. Nutrition classes many times cost money that reaches beyond the budget.

3. Family counseling cost money

I was just fortunate enough to be able (with my car) to go to good discount grocery stores every other week-end. These stores were very far from my home. Many people do not have cars to take them out of their immediate area to shop at lower priced grocery stores. Forget trying to do this on the bus.

Sometimes when I was too tired to cook, I would go to McDonalds and buy a "happy meal" for less than $4dollars. I knew it was not healthy but it sufficed in getting one fed and full.

If I were to cook the same meal.

frozen chicken nuggets cost $4.00 (lots of sodium)

Fresh chicken cuts would've cost $2.50-4.00

Hamburger buns $2.49

Potatoes for fries -5lb bag $2.99

Oil for the fries $2.99

Fruit is a must (grapes) $1.50 for 1/2lb

Thusly it would cost me $17.00 plus tax to feed the same meal if I would've cooked it.

Not to mention the time spent cooking after getting up at 0-dark early (5:00am), fix breakfast commute 22miles one way to day to be there at 7:00. Be at work at 8:00am, get off at 5:00. Pick up child to go to extended day care. Work PT job from 5:30-8:00pm. Pick up child commute home (22miles) . Most of the time I was exhausted, but I had to make sure the week-ends included time for my child to have time with friends and various sports and the such. Luckily I stayed healthy.

One thing I did do was get up twice a week at 3:00am and cook dinner meals (with left over amounts) before going to work. It was exhausting but I did it. How many parents with more than one child can handle such a rigorous schedule for over 14yrs? I feel sorry for the overweight children, but I cannot criticize the situations especially when a lot of it deals with economics and the areas people live in.

I do not agree that the overweight child should be taken away from their home. To me this will cause a lasting psychological damage to the child. Most become secret bingers.

[Edited 7/15/11 9:12am]

I am a single mom too, I co-sign with everything you just said.

Its costs lots of money to work if you need child care... there is just not enough time in a day to do it all when there is not enough support... and kudos to you for all that you do!

SUPRMAN said:

Machaela said:

The Government SHOULD 1st and foremost, do something about the QUALITY of allowed food sorces

Such as what?

What's wrong with the quality of food?

Seriously ?

Go debate yourself to death in P&R hun

Machaela said:

SUPRMAN said:

Such as what?

What's wrong with the quality of food?

Seriously ?

Go debate yourself to death in P&R hun

that's tells me nothing about what's wrong with food sources that the government needs to do something about.

If you can't educate me, why bother?

SUPRMAN said:

Machaela said:

Seriously ?

Go debate yourself to death in P&R hun

that's tells me nothing about what's wrong with food sources that the government needs to do something about.

If you can't educate me, why bother?

It's not my job or desire to educate a fellow adult on subjects that are public access I can state my opinion here anytime on anything I want ~ THAT'S the point

I was not talking directly TO YOU and have no desire to educate you ... that's something I KNOW you can and do do for yourself Right ?

This is GD on a PRINCE site ... not some serious government food law discussion board

I should have you when I was a Mod ! ( JUST KIDDING !! )

I love your debate and PROVE it style in P&R but I am not willing to engage on that level in GD hun !

paintedlady said:

Cerebus said:

Healthier food costs more than what? Value menu fast food? I don't understand that comment at all. Healthier food DOES NOT COST MORE if you are taking the time to make the food yourself. Not only can it cost less, but it can also last longer. If you buy luxory name brand "health foods" because they've fooled you into believing they're "good for you", then yeah, that costs more. But eating whole, natural foods is NOT expensive.

As a mother of 3 and a fat heffa I will answer.......

In what neighborhood is ramen noodles and Kool-aid more expensive than whole wheat pasta and real fruit?

You obliviously know shit about what is available in most grocery stores... I am finding it increasingly more dificult to by fruit, whole grain bread, fresh meats and poultry.

In the hood the meat is SHIT! It stinks and the better and healthier cuts of meat like chicken breast starts at 4.99/lb. compared to leg quarters @ 1.99/lb ... so what would you buy if you only have 100.00 bucks in your purse?

Most moms buy juices on sale instead of fruit because fruit prices are RIDICULOUS.... unless you only buy bananas. Shit I am now too fucking broke to pay 10.00 muckafucking dollars for a bunch of fucking grapes. And a mango for 4 dollars???? WTF!!!

Frozen veggies are cheaper and the only value a mom can buy, but fresh produce is only cheap when its in season... here, that is ONLY in the late summer, early fall.

Cage free eggs compared to regular eggs full of hormones and bacteria?

Soy milk compared to whole milk in price?

Whole grain bread compared to shit white bread in price?

How about a lean cut of steak compared to some shit hamburger meat that's 60% meat byproduct?

Ever been to a fish market? How much is the fucking tuna, haddock, cod, shrimp.... ?

NOPE! Its cheaper to buy cheap fucking nasty ass breaded fish sticks by the bag... FULL OF SODIUM.

Even the fucking flour that's whole wheat, Basmanti rice, olive oil, are much more expensive than their cheaper less healthy counter parts.... short grain white rice, white flour, corn oil.... so this is WHY kids are fat.

On a budget, fat ass people AND children eat shit like ramen noodles and drink kool-aid and or water, NO FIBER, NO VEGGIES, NO WHOLE GRAIN ANYTHING!!! Fat kids mainly eat cheap white bread, hot dogs, bologna, peanut butter n jelly, spaghetti.... mostly white breads and gluten rich foods which are shit and are purposefully cheap. Add soda because fruit juices are very expensive and now you got a recipe for fat kids.

I am so frustrated at dumb fucks that think heatly foods are cheaper, healthy foods are more expensive in comparison to their unheatlier overprocessed counterparts that are usually laced with tons of corn syrup, MSG, sodium, gluten......

look in the grocery store... I can't even but the no-name brands anymore because they have become popular and even the damn no-name brands are more expensive.

I do my best and feed my kids the healthiest food possible, but I can not buy as much as I can if I choose the healthier products so I understand why many parents choose shit products to feed their kids.... its just cheaper.

OK rant over... I am sick of spending over 700.00 a month to feed my kids decent food. FUCK!

...as a total foodie I so feel you on that...when I am visiting home I am appalled at how quickly I blow my money just going to the neighborhood "Kroeger" market. When I still lived in the States I remember my food bills being damned astronomical; I hate to admit it, but the quality and quantity of food resources available to me now in central Europe is one of the main reasons I love (and remain) living here. Some things are ridiculously expensive (like beef, for example). But getting my whole grain, good cheese, healthy oil groove on cost pennies on the dollar here whereas at home I can't even fathom how much it would run me.