smoothcriminal12 said:

tinaz said:

I still dont understand why the fuck people are throwing race into this... AGE DISCRIMINATION is EVERYWHERE! Its an AGE LIMIT....Christ...

Did you get what I was trying to say though? Did you read what I was trying to imply? I'm saying that there's no difference between age discrimination and racism.

[Edited 7/14/11 6:09am]

Legally there is. Socially and culturally there is.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Did you even read what I just said? I'm not going to argue with you.

I did and it was factually and legally incorrect. I pointed out many examples where AGE is used to limit access to some good, service, or privilege, or right.

your argument would have it so a 1 year old could vote.

age is not a protected class in the same way race is.

Did you even read what I just said? I'm not going to argue with you.

smoothcriminal12 said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Did you even read what I just said? I'm not going to argue with you.

Thn why respond? You are mistaken.

Because you're making an argument when there is none. Who are you talking to? Yourself? Cause I ain't listening.

smoothcriminal12 said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Because you're making an argument when there is none. Who are you talking to? Yourself? Cause I ain't listening.

Yet you reply. So post the law that says age is a protected class and then explain the examples of age based discrimination that are widely used.

We're not arguing though. That's the thing. You're pushing for something that ain't coming. I know you're itching to argue, but I'm not in the mood to argue, so let's just agree to disagree and you go find someone else to pick on.

smoothcriminal12 said:

tinaz said:

I still dont understand why the fuck people are throwing race into this... AGE DISCRIMINATION is EVERYWHERE! Its an AGE LIMIT....Christ...

Did you get what I was trying to say though? Did you read what I was trying to imply? I'm saying that there's no difference between age discrimination and racism.

That is an OPINION, not a fact.

JustErin said:

It's interesting that the one group of people that seems to be a-ok discriminating against is children.

Personally I don't care about some lame restaurant decides but it is fucked up that we have an attitude that everyone deserves equal treatment....except kids, of course. We can ban them from eateries, hit them as punishment, etc...but think of ever doing that to an adult and all shit breaks loose.

Why start the ban at 6 and under? Just make it an 18 and over establishment.

We have movie theatres and bowling alleys that nobody under 18 is allwed at past a certain hour (6 pm). We already have other 18 and up establishments.....they are called bars and nightclubs and restaurant lounges. This is really no different. He should have just been smart and made sure he didn't offer high chair ands kept his feeling to himself....like most other restaurants that prefer adult customers.

Some people have no fucking control of their kids. I have 2, and when I did eat out, folks would often stop by our table and mention how they cringed when they saw us sit and were impressed. One even paid some of our tab once. People are so stupid. If your one or 2 year old still throws her plate and screams, stick to picnics or other places where the environment is suitable for her to learn social skills without her experiencing horrific stares. Be aware of where you are bringing your child and his/her limitations, and be considerate of other patrons.

PurpleJedi said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Did you get what I was trying to say though? Did you read what I was trying to imply? I'm saying that there's no difference between age discrimination and racism.

That is an OPINION, not a fact.

I never said that it was anything other than that ?....this is a message board, of course it's an opinion. lol.

smoothcriminal12 said:

PurpleJedi said:

That is an OPINION, not a fact.

I never said that it was anything other than that ?....this is a message board, of course it's an opinion. lol.

The problem I see is that these threads sometimes get out of control with people trying to convince each other that their way of thinking is the right way and the other way of thinking is stupid so the tone of the posts begins to denegenerate exponentially.

Not saying that was your case specifically, but pay attention and you'll see what I mean.

WWWWOOOWWWW!!!! this thread popped off like a penitentiary dick during conjugal visitation....2 days and 9 pages???

PurpleJedi said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

I never said that it was anything other than that ?....this is a message board, of course it's an opinion. lol.

The problem I see is that these threads sometimes get out of control with people trying to convince each other that their way of thinking is the right way and the other way of thinking is stupid so the tone of the posts begins to denegenerate exponentially.

Not saying that was your case specifically, but pay attention and you'll see what I mean.

that never happens

I don't know if I'd ban kids altogether but I wouldn't have a problem asking a parent to take their kid outside and calm them in some way, if I was a restaurant owner/manager.

IMO parents have to prepare their kids ahead of time for such outings. Many times the kids are already tired, hungry, stressed etc before they even get to the restaurant. Other times, kids are acting up because they are in the company of other children or they are trying to get attention from their parents.

If this guy can handle the potential loss of profit from banning kids then oh well...he does what he has to in order to keep the faithful and high end cusstomers.

HotGritz said:

I don't know if I'd ban kids altogether but I wouldn't have a problem asking a parent to take their kid outside and calm them in some way, if I was a restaurant owner/manager.

IMO parents have to prepare their kids ahead of time for such outings. Many times the kids are already tired, hungry, stressed etc before they even get to the restaurant. Other times, kids are acting up because they are in the company of other children or they are trying to get attention from their parents.

If this guy can handle the potential loss of profit from banning kids then oh well...he does what he has to in order to keep the faithful and high end cusstomers.

he said on a TV interview that his busisness has picked up! He claimed that people told him they drove X extra miles to go there because of the BAN. I take that with a grain of salt. Even if it is true could have more to do with getting some media attention and may be short lived.

But I got to say: two simular places one has the ban and the other dosen't I would go to the one with the ban. (unless there was a longer wait I hate waits)

OnlyNDaUsa said:

HotGritz said:

I don't know if I'd ban kids altogether but I wouldn't have a problem asking a parent to take their kid outside and calm them in some way, if I was a restaurant owner/manager.

IMO parents have to prepare their kids ahead of time for such outings. Many times the kids are already tired, hungry, stressed etc before they even get to the restaurant. Other times, kids are acting up because they are in the company of other children or they are trying to get attention from their parents.

If this guy can handle the potential loss of profit from banning kids then oh well...he does what he has to in order to keep the faithful and high end cusstomers.

he said on a TV interview that his busisness has picked up! He claimed that people told him they drove X extra miles to go there because of the BAN. I take that with a grain of salt. Even if it is true could have more to do with getting some media attention and may be short lived.

But I got to say: two simular places one has the ban and the other dosen't I would go to the one with the ban. (unless there was a longer wait I hate waits)

HotGritz said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

he said on a TV interview that his busisness has picked up! He claimed that people told him they drove X extra miles to go there because of the BAN. I take that with a grain of salt. Even if it is true could have more to do with getting some media attention and may be short lived.

But I got to say: two simular places one has the ban and the other dosen't I would go to the one with the ban. (unless there was a longer wait I hate waits)

i was so mad, it was veterans day and some place had free meals for vets. Well someone took me there as a surprise... and we waited for 4 hours to save $10 on a tiny steak. (it was a limited menu of about 5 things all under $10).

I was so mad but I never let her know... it was sweet of her. but still 4 hours! damn!

PurpleJedi said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

I never said that it was anything other than that ?....this is a message board, of course it's an opinion. lol.

The problem I see is that these threads sometimes get out of control with people trying to convince each other that their way of thinking is the right way and the other way of thinking is stupid so the tone of the posts begins to denegenerate exponentially.

Not saying that was your case specifically, but pay attention and you'll see what I mean.

Yeah...you can see that a lot around these parts, with people who think that their opinions are the gospel . 'Tis quite sad.

I just don't get the outrage.
This is no different than having adult communities or adult resorts (which I've been to and wouldn't do any other way anymore). This is about grown folk having a choice of experience. This is not about work or educational descrimination or something detrimental like that.

Because kids don't already have a shitload of stuff dedicated and catering to them, right?

johnart said:

I just don't get the outrage.
This is no different than having adult communities or adult resorts (which I've been to and wouldn't do any other way anymore). This is about grown folk having a choice of experience. This is not about work or educational descrimination or something detrimental like that.

Because kids don't already have a shitload of stuff dedicated and catering to them, right?

Exactly. And I even commented that in those places I would never consider complaining, or even getting annoyed if I could help it. But we can't possibly understand why it should be OK for kids to do whatever they want wherever they want because we don't have any.

And to a whole bunch of what has been said in this thread since I last posted. Some of y'all... mm.

Sorry, but why the hell does this topic lead to any outrage AT ALL even?

Of course this is discrimination. Age discrimination.

Is that legal/allowed? In general YES.

Is it fair in this case? Like HELL YES.

(stupid) Case closed.

Cerebus said:

johnart said:

I just don't get the outrage.
This is no different than having adult communities or adult resorts (which I've been to and wouldn't do any other way anymore). This is about grown folk having a choice of experience. This is not about work or educational descrimination or something detrimental like that.

Because kids don't already have a shitload of stuff dedicated and catering to them, right?

Exactly. And I even commented that in those places I would never consider complaining, or even getting annoyed if I could help it. But we can't possibly understand why it should be OK for kids to do whatever they want wherever they want because we don't have any.

And to a whole bunch of what has been said in this thread since I last posted. Some of y'all... mm.

The argument that folk can't have an opinion on stuff they don't have/are is bullshit. Does experience help form an opinion? Of course, but there are a million angles to everything so yea everyone can have one.

I've taken care of plenty of kids (nieces, nephews, friends') and was a foster parent it's not like any of us just stepped off a spaceship and have NO idea what a kid is about just because we don't have our own. I don't have to have sprung forth from my vageene a child to know that I prefer eating a quiet dinner to one seated next to a screamin child.

Why can't we just ban stupid people, no matter what age they are!

Yes, I am all for discriminating against the ignorant!!!

johnart said:

Cerebus said:

Exactly. And I even commented that in those places I would never consider complaining, or even getting annoyed if I could help it. But we can't possibly understand why it should be OK for kids to do whatever they want wherever they want because we don't have any.

And to a whole bunch of what has been said in this thread since I last posted. Some of y'all... mm.

The argument that folk can't have an opinion on stuff they don't have/are is bullshit. Does experience help form an opinion? Of course, but there are a million angles to everything so yea everyone can have one.

I've taken care of plenty of kids (nieces, nephews, friends') and was a foster parent it's not like any of us just stepped off a spaceship and have NO idea what a kid is about just because we don't have our own. I don't have to have sprung forth from my vageene a child to know that I prefer eating a quiet dinner to one seated next to a screamin child.

Hell, I sprung 2 humans out my vageene and I hate going out to eat and having a waitress seat a family with small kids next to my table...

BklynBabe said:

Why can't we just ban stupid people, no matter what age they are!

Yes, I am all for discriminating against the ignorant!!!

Depends on what you would call stupid.

But suppose I would own a restaurant and you would come in acting all stupid, bothering other guests, like some kid running around that can't stop shouting or whining and saying irritating stupid shit, then why the hell couldn't I tell you to leave? It's my fucking restaurant and you're bothering my guest you know!?

That said, I don't get that age limit of 6 AT ALL. I mean, as if a 7 year old kid would be able to behave! And what are they going to do, check their ID's at the door?! Now that's stupid if you ask me

[Edited 7/14/11 11:46am]

tinaz said:

johnart said:

The argument that folk can't have an opinion on stuff they don't have/are is bullshit. Does experience help form an opinion? Of course, but there are a million angles to everything so yea everyone can have one.

I've taken care of plenty of kids (nieces, nephews, friends') and was a foster parent it's not like any of us just stepped off a spaceship and have NO idea what a kid is about just because we don't have our own. I don't have to have sprung forth from my vageene a child to know that I prefer eating a quiet dinner to one seated next to a screamin child.

Hell, I sprung 2 humans out my vageene and I hate going out to eat and having a waitress seat a family with small kids next to my table...

Tremolina said:

Sorry, but why the hell does this topic lead to any outrage AT ALL even?

Of course this is discrimination. Age discrimination.

Is that legal/allowed? In general YES.

Is it fair in this case? Like HELL YES.

(stupid) Case closed.

tinaz said:

Hell, I sprung 2 humans out my vageene and I really dislike going out to eat and having a waitress seat a family with small kids next to my table...

I have been raising Kids for 26 yrs and would like a nice adult meal with my Husband just once in a while

I LOVE my Grands and LOVE not having them around ALL the time too

I'm all for it. My husband and I go out for dinner once or twice a week and I hate sitting near unruly brats who's parents are oblivious. If it's somewhere like a burger joint I don't care, but at a place where I'm spending a good whack of money, I don't want kids there.

Some parents have taught their kids how to behave in nice restaurants and they enforce that behaviour, but most don't give a rat's ass and don't care that their kids are bothering people.

smoothcriminal12 said:

PurpleJedi said:

That is an OPINION, not a fact.

I never said that it was anything other than that ?....this is a message board, of course it's an opinion. lol.

Another FAIL.

Yes, it is a message board but people back up their opinions and beliefs with facts.

Facts and opinions can co-exist on a message board. The fact that it is a message board does not mean facts are not present.

So when you state an opinion as fact, as you did, expect that to be pointed out, especially when your opinion is contrary to the facts.

HotGritz said:

I don't know if I'd ban kids altogether but I wouldn't have a problem asking a parent to take their kid outside and calm them in some way, if I was a restaurant owner/manager.

IMO parents have to prepare their kids ahead of time for such outings. Many times the kids are already tired, hungry, stressed etc before they even get to the restaurant. Other times, kids are acting up because they are in the company of other children or they are trying to get attention from their parents.

If this guy can handle the potential loss of profit from banning kids then oh well...he does what he has to in order to keep the faithful and high end cusstomers.

Apparently the proprietor is a she and it has increased her business.

lazycrockett said:

CNN had a story bout this and the women who posted the sign bout screaming children will not be tolerated stated that her business has boomed in the last year. That people will go out of there way to find her eatery and enjoy their meal.