She will have a day when she must strip away all the fake and look back in the mirror at her reflection and know each time what she did. It does aappear for now that she will not benefit from her actions. Even a porn company doesn't want to touch her, the alledged nanny is suing, and if the father ever comes forward; he/his family should do a wrongful death suit against her. THere no sence is writing a book, doing a movie, or interviewing because she will never tell the truth. Prince's Sarah | |
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On what grounds? First there would be the question of standing, then suing her for wrongful death is problematic without a cause of death. I don't want you to think like me. I just want you to think. | |
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Wrong, it IS evidence and there are pictures of it on the skull.
and to correct an earlier statement I said about whether the jurors had more evidence than what is available to those outside of the courtroom; some of the photos of the crime scene with the remains were only shown in court (gallery saw them though too, not just the jury). Pixelated versions were allowed to be shown on TV.
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I'm trying to get ready for a trip, so I haven't had much time to be posting and will try and catch up when I can, especially since the jurors are now asking for blood money and blabbing everywhere they can.
Anyway, I think it was SUPRman(?) that asked for 10 evidentiary items proving her guilt, so here ya go:
10 points of evidence presented in court:
9) All of the lies she told the police while they were trying to help her find her child the first day and thereafter, while denying that ANY accident happened.
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See, this is just wrong for you to say until you've studied ALL the evidence. When you put it all together, there is plenty of proof!
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Oh god, don't get me started on her.
She's been saying the wrong things and has proven that she broke the law and did not follow the judge's instructions for deliberations, did not follow his instructions about River Cruz's testimony and used Baez's statements as evidence, which THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DO.
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As to your last sentence, you are WRONG where I learned my facts. I WATCHED each day's LIVE stream of the trial (and even some of the jury selection) and read a lot of the documents that are made availabe through Florida's Sunshine Law.
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She didn't testify to that in court, but her statements saying that were admitted into evidence through the recordings of her interviews with the detectives and also through her statements on the 'jailhouse tapes'. HER WORDS, no one else's.
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Yes, you can count on seeing her ass in jail again. She's already a 6x felon for fraud/stolen check charges that were brought prior to the murder trial.
The partying was disgusting 'YAY, Caylee's dead and we set her killer free!'. They'll find out what happens when you dance with the devil Casey.
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Personally I think that whole family knows what happened and are covering up the truth. It makes no sense that the child wasn't reported missing until 31 days. If the child drowned then why didn't they try to revive her or bring her to the hospital? If the father saw her last or was involved or if Casey let someone take her why didn't she say so and why was her body found in the woods? Why would her diary say what it did about making a decision and she will see what will happen to her in the future and this is the happiest she's been in a long time after the child was missing? I think it's DEPLORABLE that any mother wouldn't show emotion and wouldn't panic right away not 31 days after a child is missing. Then in today's paper she is smiling. O.K. so she 's getting out of prison,but still her child is DEAD! I wouldn't ever be SMILING! Children are PRECIOUS. People are PRECIOUS. It's such a TRAGEDY and no one will ever know the TRUTH as to what Happened to CAYLEE. It's really DISGUSTING and SAD. | |
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I haven't read all the way through the thread yet, so don't know if this info has already been posted, but Casey was served with a subpoena the other night for the defamation suit from Zenaida Gonzalez.
She will be deposed on the 19th and it will be recorded and maybe broadcast live on forthepeople.com . She has some other lawyer for this case, but Baez may slime on over to it. She'll have to answer a lot of questions that she won't want to and can't plead the 5th now.
She's also facing a $60-70k lien from the IRS on the $200k she and Baez received back in October from ABC for the pictures/videos of Caylee. Baez didn't take care of the taxes on it because he probably thought she'd never get out!
The search team that Cindy called for help, when A LOT of people traveled to Florida and spent hundreds of hours looking for Caylee will be filing suit against her to recover their costs.
The State has already filed against her to recover investigative and other costs, but has 60 days to get the numbers together.
Oops, forgot one more; Jessie Grund and his family will probably be suing her for defamation also after they accused him of killing Caylee at one point. (this was the guy she fingered as the father until paternity test proved her wrong, but she was pregnant before she slept with him)
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EXACTLY and that's where Ms. Ford has fucked herself. She also said she couldn't be a murderer by giving Casey the death penalty. Umm...she went through Voir Dire and was death penalty qualified, so she said she'd be able to apply it if it came to that. Then she says she couldn't choose that during the GUILT PHASE of the deliberations?!?
Being sequestered would be so hard to do, thanks for posting about your experience. One thing that came out today said that the jurors were allowed to use their cell phones in the common area. There was only one guard stationed in the room and if they could hear anything, it would have only been the one side. I don't know if their calls were restricted to family members or not, but who knows what they were being told or offered from whoever they were talking to.
What were your rules about outside communications? Also, I'd be interested in knowing if you all really didn't discuss anything before you were supposed to. I think that would be really hard to do, especially in this case where crazy things kept happening.
This is an EXCELLENT article, which you can probably relate to, about what happens with sequestered juries. I'd be like to hear your thoughts on it in relation to your service.
http://www.thedailybeast....think.html
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Yes, but it wasn't anything of this magnitude and I also followed the Judge's instructions.
Reasonable doubt is not 'any doubt' and it's not based on speculation or imaginary theories.
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That's rich coming from you who has come to their conclusion just by 'watching the news', which certainly couldn't give you the same objectivity as actually watching the entire trial (which is available for viewing on WFTV.com). I'm not sure which news you watched or how often, but getting sound-bites doesn't give you enough information.
I have served on a jury and I served well. Even though it was just a one-day DUI case, we took a few hours to deliberate and actually followed the law and instructions unlike some other jurors.
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I don't know how else I can explain it, the cause of death WAS DETERMINED TO BE HOMICIDE by the Medical Examiner. You do NOT have to prove the manner of death, nor should it have been considered for finding guilt. People are convicted all the time without anyone knowing how they killed someone, sometimes it's NEVER known, but their asses are still in prison.
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N this even if she never wanted to will force her to write a book and go the media route. Its the only way to pay the debts that have magically appeared. Everyone is in it for the coin, and the seething public will go to the fountain and gorge themselves. The Most Important Thing In Life Is Sincerity....Once You Can Fake That, You Can Fake Anything. | |
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Cindy was calling Casey almost every day wanting to see Caylee and it was highly unusual for them to not see her for so long. Cindy was going to be on vacation during one of those weeks and wanted to have Caylee while she was off. Each time they talked, it was a different excuse, Caylee was with the nanny at Busch Gardens, they were both in Jacksonville, they were hanging out with some guy who supposedly had a kid for Caylee to play with (real guy, but has no kid nor had he spoken to Casey since high school), blahblahblah.
All of that is documented by testimony and/or depositions and the calls going back and forth were in the ping/call reports, along with Casey's REAL location(s). IIRC, during the 'Jacksonville trip', she told Cindy they were delayed again because 'Zanny' was in a wreck and in the hospital, so she was going to stay with her there. Lo and behold, the next day, Casey turned up at home (ALONE) when she didn't know Cindy was there. Surpriiiise! Her excuse that time was that she had come back to get insurance papers and that Caylee was still in Jacksonville, but that they'd be back in a day or two (they weren't).
After the parents found out the car had been towed and sitting in a yard, when she was supposedly going all these places, Cindy went and got one of Casey's friends (Amy, who filed the fraud/theft charges that Casey was convicted of - six felonies) to help her find Casey. She was taken to the the new boyfriend's apt (who would not let Caylee spend the night there with them) and she made Casey leave with her then, wanting her to take her to wherever Caylee was. When she couldn't do that, that's when the police were called.
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Actually, those were the protesters at the courthouse the next day when folks thought she might be released.
The significance of the heart on the duct tape on that guy; FBI forensic person noticed some adhesive residue in the shape of a heart on the duct tape while she was processing it. After she was finished with her process, she called her supervisor (or a co-worker, can't recall) to come photograph it. But by then it was no longer visible due to the previous steps she had done. Their procedures have now been changed due to that happening.
Sheets of heart stickers were found during the search of Caylee's room and one was missing the sticker. There was also a 'puffy' heart sticker found a little way away from remains but none like that were found in the home.
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That may be true in regards to yourself, who obviously knows NONE of the evidence in this case, but is NOT true about me.
The only thing the jury had access to that EVERYONE IN THE WORLD with Internet access didn't, is the unaltered recovery site photos. And I obviously paid more attention to the evidence than she did. There is also more than 27,000 pages of Discovery available to anyone who cares to look.
The only other things that are sealed in this case are the shrinks' exams of Casey. Some media are even filing Sunshine Law requests to get the jurors identities. Not much is kept in the dark due to that law.
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Another bit of evidence that the jury ignored: there were 'coffin flies' and maggots in the trunk:
snipped from http://www.clickorlando.c...etail.html
"...Haskell said he found foreign flies and larvae that are commonly found in cases of human or animal decomposition. He has called them “coffin flies” in the past.“We found a number of adults, 15 or 20 adults,” Haskell said.
Haskell said an abundance of larvae and a few adult flies were found in paper towels from the trash bag, leading him to conclude that the paper towel had been used to wipe decompositional fluids.
Haskell said the entomological evidence found in the trunk indicated that a body had been in the trunk of Anthony's car and removed within days."At the time of death, decomposition begins and it progresses through stages ... there's a progression as the tissues of the body go from one biochemical and change to another, to another and to another through the whole progression of decomposition," Haskell said. "The interesting thing about this, and the insects, is that associated with these different biochemicals and the changes of the biochemicals of the body decomposing, we have different insects coming in and feeding at that particular time.
Haskell said Blow Flies are usually the first insects to arrive at a decomposing body, but as the body decomposes and the biochemistry changes, Blow Flies are no longer interested and other groups of bugs move in. He said he found a Blow Fly leg in a paper towel from the garbage..."
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One big truck will come as soon as she has to sit for the deposition in the Gonzalez lawsuit scheduled for the 19th.
I'm still working my way down page 4, so I don't know if anyone posted about a tree that was yards away from where the remains were found was hit by lightning yesterday. The gods are not happy!
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No Serena, you're dead wrong. Unlike Jennifer Ford, you do NOT know all of the facts because you were not a member of that specific jury. Therefore (almost) everything that you have shown in all of you posts in THIS very thread is pure speculations. But keep telling yourself that you know exactly what all 12 jurors did wrong.
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She was convicted of 6 felony fraud/theft charges, so the Judge had to figure out time served on those and also the 'lying to law enforcement' charges. She also received 1 yr probation on the fraud, but in Florida, that can be served while you're in jail... that's a real effective probation! sheesh.
She and Baez got in trouble/censured for crap they were pulling in the jail (the shared licorice incident). She was also caught sending notes back and forth to other inmates. That's what a good girl she was... | |
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Ok, whatever. Actually, I'm the one posting FACTS as opposed to speculation. I don't know how many times I have to say that I watched as 300+ pieces of the evidence were admitted during the trial. The SAME things that the jury heard were admitted, the only difference is they could physically touch them, but they didn't even go through the evidence during deliberations.
THE JURY HAD NO ADDITIONAL INFORMATION OR EVIDENCE AVAILABLE TO THEM THAT IS NOT AVAILABLE FOR YOU TO LEARN ABOUT, BESIDES WHAT I NOTED IN ANOTHER POST.
If you don't believe me, write Judge Perry and ask him if there was anything not presented during open court.
Maybe the disconnect is coming because some of you don't understand that every piece of evidence had to be testified to or stipulated as true by both sides before it could be entered. Thus, EVERYONE watching the trial knows exactly what was admitted.
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I understand what the medical examiner said, but the trial said otherwise. No one during the trial could say how the child died. So how do we know it was homicide if there is no known cause of death? She could have died in her sleep. Calling it a homicide due to the presence of duct tape is an impossible reach. Even with threee pieces of tape, we don't know the child couldn't still breathe.
I agree you do not necessarily have to prove the manner of death in a murder trial.
But if there is no known cause of death, how can it be known that the death was a homicide? The medical examiner was simply wrong because they could not substantiate that at trial. I don't want you to think like me. I just want you to think. | |
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Yards away? Were they drunk? I don't want you to think like me. I just want you to think. | |
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It's considered 'Caylee's tree' by the people who leave stuff at the memorial site. Also, I guess I should've specified that is is a couple of yards away, not 10 or 20.
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Jesus won't even take that babykilling bitch, but the debil sure will!
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BINGO! Unfortunately, common sense was not used by the jurors in this case.
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