Nancy (Dis)Grace response to the controversal "not guilty" verdict of Casey Anthony:

I absolutely cannot believe that Caylee’s death has gone unavenged. And there you see a group hug by the defendants. “Tot Mom” will be walking free. She’s headed back to jail. Sentencing for a few lesser counts, false information she released, will take place 9 a.m. sharp Thursday morning. And you gotta wonder what the state is thinking now. They gave it their all; they gave it 200 percent. They gave scientific evidence like none ever seen in the country before, behavioral evidence that knocked everybody off of their seat But, in the end, Tot Mom’s lies seemed to have worked.

http://www.mediaite.com/t...ve-worked/

That case was fucked up to begin with. She's guilty but the jury, presented with the evidence they got, had no choice. Well she's gonna get her judgment day anyways so whatever.

RhapsodyinBlue response to Nancy Grace's comments:

Lets see, Nancy had the Duke players convicted of rape… that turned out to be completely false and the woman completely made it up

Nancy also scolded her on air coworker because he dared to claim that the nuclear output wouldn’t reach America in any significant way and when he told her empirically why it won’t she never apologized and still talked down to him about the issue.

Now? She’s stoking flames of vigilantism on air over and over and has this woman convicted of a crime that, as a jury found, was not conclusively carried out by her. These women crying over it were led to believe Caylee was their child, they don’t care about the thousands of other little girls kidnapped and killed since this trial began, they only care for Caylee, the one the media made them believe was their own little daughter. This is a sickness.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/nancy-grace-on-casey-anthony-verdict-in-the-end-tot-moms-lies-seemed-to-have-worked/

^ They do have a point!

This is pretty pathetic to say but I actually watched the case every day.

Taking into account all that was presented there is no way I would ever agree to a not guilty verdict.

There was evidence to prove motive and that it was more than an accident. There was ZERO evidence provided to even suggest that it was "an accident that snowballed out of control".

JustErin said:

This is pretty pathetic to say but I actually watched the case every day.

Taking into account all that was presented there is no way I would ever agree to a not guilty verdict.

There was evidence to prove motive and that it was more than an accident. There was ZERO evidence provided to even suggest that it was "an accident that snowballed out of control".

But you have to remember, in the American court system, Casey Anthony's lawyer didn't actually have to prove that Caylee died accidentally; he just had to show enough evidence to create reasonable doubt in the minds of the jurors to save Casey's behind. I believe Casey Anthony killed her daughter in cold blooded fashion, but since the medical examiner couldn't indicate Caylee's time of death or how she died, the jury had no choice but to let her off. But even though she'll probably be out of jail by Thursday (yes, she was convicted of lying to cops, but she has been in jail since she was charged with murder, and the maximum sentence she could get is four years, but she will most likely be sentenced with time served), this woman is already persona non grata, and she won't be able to show herself in any public place without people calling her a child murderer, so her life is going to suck for years to come.

But frankly, unless you live in Florida, I don't even know why the media blew this case up in the first place and made first run headlines on all the news channels. We have far more serious problems facing our country right now with the economy and two wars, yet the news media wants to focus on some little kid's murder which was allegedly done by her mother. There are pending cases all over this country just like that, but they probably don't involve some otherwise photogenic defendant. Personally I could care less about this case.

728huey said:

this woman is already persona non grata, and she won't be able to show herself in any public place without people calling her a child murderer, so her life is going to suck for years to come.

I doubt it. In our twisted celebrity culture, no doubt she'll end up with a book deal, movie rights and probably do the talk show circuit. She's going to be sucking up the attention from here on out.

NoVideo said:

728huey said:

this woman is already persona non grata, and she won't be able to show herself in any public place without people calling her a child murderer, so her life is going to suck for years to come.

I doubt it. In our twisted celebrity culture, no doubt she'll end up with a book deal, movie rights and probably do the talk show circuit. She's going to be sucking up the attention from here on out.

She'll make MILLIONS

TonyVanDam said:

RodeoSchro said:

It's a no-win situation for me - Anthony obviously did it, but Nancy Grace is just as vile a person as Anthony. Well, maybe not a murderer, but still a destroyer of lives and an evil person, IMO.

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And THAT^ is a fair opinion. But the jurors disagree with you.

The jury made the right (controversial) decision on this case. Yes, Casey Anthony was and maybe still is a lying slut. But since there was no solid evidences to prove that Casey planned to killed her own daughter nor were there any witnesses that actually seen Casey do the actual murder, they jury has no choice but to find Casey "not guilty".

It was either "not guilty" or hung jury. Either way, Casey will only serves (less than?!?) a year in prison for lying to investigators. End of story. No re-trial.

No one needs to be a witness to a murder, there was TONS of evidence in this case that this suckass jury didn't even bother to look at when they were deliberating. They just wanted to go home and took the easy way out. I hope each and every one of them quickly have a rude awakening as to the wrong they have committed. Their family and friends should shun them for their ignorant and lazy work on this case.

728huey said:

JustErin said:

This is pretty pathetic to say but I actually watched the case every day.

Taking into account all that was presented there is no way I would ever agree to a not guilty verdict.

There was evidence to prove motive and that it was more than an accident. There was ZERO evidence provided to even suggest that it was "an accident that snowballed out of control".

But you have to remember, in the American court system, Casey Anthony's lawyer didn't actually have to prove that Caylee died accidentally; he just had to show enough evidence to create reasonable doubt in the minds of the jurors to save Casey's behind. I believe Casey Anthony killed her daughter in cold blooded fashion, but since the medical examiner couldn't indicate Caylee's time of death or how she died, the jury had no choice but to let her off. But even though she'll probably be out of jail by Thursday (yes, she was convicted of lying to cops, but she has been in jail since she was charged with murder, and the maximum sentence she could get is four years, but she will most likely be sentenced with time served), this woman is already persona non grata, and she won't be able to show herself in any public place without people calling her a child murderer, so her life is going to suck for years to come.

But frankly, unless you live in Florida, I don't even know why the media blew this case up in the first place and made first run headlines on all the news channels. We have far more serious problems facing our country right now with the economy and two wars, yet the news media wants to focus on some little kid's murder which was allegedly done by her mother. There are pending cases all over this country just like that, but they probably don't involve some otherwise photogenic defendant. Personally I could care less about this case.

No one has to prove time of death, method or motive. Scott Peterson is on Death Row with much less circumstantial evidence in his case.

Serena said:

728huey said:

But you have to remember, in the American court system, Casey Anthony's lawyer didn't actually have to prove that Caylee died accidentally; he just had to show enough evidence to create reasonable doubt in the minds of the jurors to save Casey's behind. I believe Casey Anthony killed her daughter in cold blooded fashion, but since the medical examiner couldn't indicate Caylee's time of death or how she died, the jury had no choice but to let her off. But even though she'll probably be out of jail by Thursday (yes, she was convicted of lying to cops, but she has been in jail since she was charged with murder, and the maximum sentence she could get is four years, but she will most likely be sentenced with time served), this woman is already persona non grata, and she won't be able to show herself in any public place without people calling her a child murderer, so her life is going to suck for years to come.

But frankly, unless you live in Florida, I don't even know why the media blew this case up in the first place and made first run headlines on all the news channels. We have far more serious problems facing our country right now with the economy and two wars, yet the news media wants to focus on some little kid's murder which was allegedly done by her mother. There are pending cases all over this country just like that, but they probably don't involve some otherwise photogenic defendant. Personally I could care less about this case.

No one has to prove time of death, method or motive. Scott Peterson is on Death Row with much less circumstantial evidence in his case.

I've seen people convicted lacking a body. Usually, without a body, there's no proof of murder.

RodeoSchro said:

Guilty of lying to investigators, but not guilty of murder or child abuse.

Nancy Grace's head just exploded.

there was just no way a jury could have retruned a guilty verdict on the evidence presented. wayyy too much reasonable doubt.

XxAxX said:

RodeoSchro said:

Guilty of lying to investigators, but not guilty of murder or child abuse.

Nancy Grace's head just exploded.

there was just no way a jury could have retruned a guilty verdict on the evidence presented. wayyy too much reasonable doubt.

There really was no space for reasonable doubt if you paid attention to all the evidence that was admitted. Hell, even Baez admitted that she had the child in her trunk, that's aggravated abuse right there.

Serena said:

XxAxX said:

there was just no way a jury could have retruned a guilty verdict on the evidence presented. wayyy too much reasonable doubt.

There really was no space for reasonable doubt if you paid attention to all the evidence that was admitted. Hell, even Baez admitted that she had the child in her trunk, that's aggravated abuse right there.

there was a ton of space. the evidence was entirely circumstantial. expert witnesses were contradicting expert witnesses.

HotGritz said:

SCNDLS said:

Shitttt, she on her way to Da Club for ladies night right NOW! Mission accomplished.

Pussy draggin' on the ground and errythang. Ole murderin' skank!

Timmy84 said:

That case was fucked up to begin with. She's guilty but the jury, presented with the evidence they got, had no choice. Well she's gonna get her judgment day anyways so whatever.

For the life of me I don't understand why nobody ever questions the prosecution's case. They failed to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt but nobody's ever mad at them?

Most of us believe she did it, but that's not enough in court.

babynoz said:

Timmy84 said:

That case was fucked up to begin with. She's guilty but the jury, presented with the evidence they got, had no choice. Well she's gonna get her judgment day anyways so whatever.

For the life of me I don't understand why nobody ever questions the prosecution's case. They failed to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt but nobody's ever mad at them?

Most of us believe she did it, but that's not enough in court.

far from enough. i wonder what evidence was excluded from trial? prosecution must have had something more than anthony just being a flake.

XxAxX said:

Serena said:

There really was no space for reasonable doubt if you paid attention to all the evidence that was admitted. Hell, even Baez admitted that she had the child in her trunk, that's aggravated abuse right there.

there was a ton of space. the evidence was entirely circumstantial. expert witnesses were contradicting expert witnesses.

I think that was the main problem, at least with the testimony I heard. I haven't followed the case closely though.

XxAxX said:

Serena said:

There really was no space for reasonable doubt if you paid attention to all the evidence that was admitted. Hell, even Baez admitted that she had the child in her trunk, that's aggravated abuse right there.

there was a ton of space. the evidence was entirely circumstantial. expert witnesses were contradicting expert witnesses.

Circumstantial evidence IS evidence and a case can be decided only on it. The only way expert witnesses contradicted themselves was when they were called by the defense and got turned State's witnesses. The defense had NO credible experts AT ALL, if you think so, name one.

Maybe the jury didn't want to send Casey to prison because she was too cute or because they deemed her "troubled". I belive if she had been some ugly lower income chick from a broken home, she woulda got the boot a long time ago.

And I'll say this....if you don't want kids then don't have them. If you fuck up and accidentally get pregnant but don't want to have an abortion then for godsakes put your kid up for adoption.

Serena said:

XxAxX said:

there was a ton of space. the evidence was entirely circumstantial. expert witnesses were contradicting expert witnesses.

Circumstantial evidence IS evidence and a case can be decided only on it. The only way expert witnesses contradicted themselves was when they were called by the defense and got turned State's witnesses. The defense had NO credible experts AT ALL, if you think so, name one.

you're far more involved emotionally than i am over this issue. i'm just looking at the case with interest bordering on objectivity. i work at a law firm, we've talked about this case there.

as for engaging in a bit of back and forth with you over this? nope. i ain't got time for no fight up in here. agree to disagree. me 'n the jury will just chill and watch the backlash happen

babynoz said:

XxAxX said:

there was a ton of space. the evidence was entirely circumstantial. expert witnesses were contradicting expert witnesses.

I think that was the main problem, at least with the testimony I heard. I haven't followed the case closely though.

I have watched every day's court proceedings and please believe me, there was plenty of evidence, even the Defense admitting she committed aggravated child abuse. Baez got away with crap just so there wouldn't be reason for appeal and I hope the judge follows through with his contempt charges and complaints to the Florida Bar. Baez suborned perjury, obstructed justice and should be made to pay for it one way or another.

XxAxX said:

Serena said:

Circumstantial evidence IS evidence and a case can be decided only on it. The only way expert witnesses contradicted themselves was when they were called by the defense and got turned State's witnesses. The defense had NO credible experts AT ALL, if you think so, name one.

you're far more involved emotionally than i am over this issue. i'm just looking at the case with interest bordering on objectivity. i work at a law firm, we've talked about this case there.

as for engaging in a bit of back and forth with you over this? nope. i ain't got time for no fight up in here. agree to disagree. me 'n the jury will just chill and watch the backlash happen

Yeah, I tend to get emotional when someone gets away with murdering their child. But you keep on enjoying yourself with that ignorant jury.

HotGritz said:

Maybe the jury didn't want to send Casey to prison because she was too cute or because they deemed her "troubled". I belive if she had been some ugly lower income chick from a broken home, she woulda got the boot a long time ago.

And I'll say this....if you don't want kids then don't have them. If you fuck up and accidentally get pregnant but don't want to have an abortion then for godsakes put your kid up for adoption.

She did talk about putting her up for adoption after she had her, her mother had also threatened to take custody before.

Serena said:

HotGritz said:

Maybe the jury didn't want to send Casey to prison because she was too cute or because they deemed her "troubled". I belive if she had been some ugly lower income chick from a broken home, she woulda got the boot a long time ago.

And I'll say this....if you don't want kids then don't have them. If you fuck up and accidentally get pregnant but don't want to have an abortion then for godsakes put your kid up for adoption.

She did talk about putting her up for adoption after she had her, her mother had also threatened to take custody before.

So what happened there? That seemed like all the out card she would ever need. She gets to live the la vida loca slut life and her parents get to keep their grandbaby. Lots of families have a similar arrangement. But oh nooooo....she has to murder the baby and dump her body in the yard like some trash. A stray dog would have a better burial. I can only pray the child was sleeping or something and didn't have to consciously endure being bound, gagged , held down and damn near suffocated and strangled by her own mommy.

Serena said:

babynoz said:

I think that was the main problem, at least with the testimony I heard. I haven't followed the case closely though.

I have watched every day's court proceedings and please believe me, there was plenty of evidence, even the Defense admitting she committed aggravated child abuse. Baez got away with crap just so there wouldn't be reason for appeal and I hope the judge follows through with his contempt charges and complaints to the Florida Bar. Baez suborned perjury, obstructed justice and should be made to pay for it one way or another.

I wish I'd been able to follow the case more closely but I mostly caught recaps on the news because I can't stomach Nancy Grace.

Did you watch it on court TV?

HotGritz said:

Maybe the jury didn't want to send Casey to prison because she was too cute or because they deemed her "troubled". I belive if she had been some ugly lower income chick from a broken home, she woulda got the boot a long time ago.

And I'll say this....if you don't want kids then don't have them. If you fuck up and accidentally get pregnant but don't want to have an abortion then for godsakes put your kid up for adoption.

First off, in my opinion, she's one of the ugliest women I've ever seen.

And if she was really "troubled", or her family abused her, or she had a traumatic childhood that made her do all these wrong things, well you might as well release killers, rapists, and theives who've had traumatic childhoods that led to them becoming opressors. Ultimately, you choose how you end up. She made those decisions, and they led to the death of her child. She HAS to be held accountable for them.

My mom and I both agree the woman suffers from narcissistic personality disorder, with borderline tendencies. Most people with NPD have children or spouses/boyfriends to maintain a "perfect" outer façade. Feeds into the narcisstic fantasy of "I'm perfect...no one can fault me...blah blah blah". Hence, she'd never give up her kid. It's all about her...

In the end, I think it was reasonable doubt that got them. There just wasn't enough to convict. And if there was, it wasn't presented.

XxAxX said:

Serena said:

Circumstantial evidence IS evidence and a case can be decided only on it. The only way expert witnesses contradicted themselves was when they were called by the defense and got turned State's witnesses. The defense had NO credible experts AT ALL, if you think so, name one.

you're far more involved emotionally than i am over this issue. i'm just looking at the case with interest bordering on objectivity. i work at a law firm, we've talked about this case there.

I've worked in court for twenty five years now and oddly enough, we don't talk a whole lot about cases in the media...I guess because we're up to our ears in our own cases. The stories I could tell!

These days I get home from work and I rarely wanna see anything court related.

btw...Cindy testified to cleaning out the car and trunk because it stunk so bad, sprayed Fabreeze all over it and washed Casey's pants that were in there. She knows what evidence she destroyed to cover up for her evil child. Did any of you hear the 911 call where she said it smelled like a dead body had been in the car? She's A NURSE and knows what human decomposition smells like.

TonyVanDam said:

HotGritz said:

If you're obstructing justice and lying to the cops then why isn't that proof enough that you are guilty or at least partly guilty? Shit Martha Steward went to jail for not saying shit and this heffa here says all the lies in the world and she gets off? Yeah i know it's a different crime/charge but its a matter of principle IMO- lying which is a form of obstructing justice denotes some degree of guilt.

In the cases of Martha Stewart & Lil'Kim, they ended up in prison for "not snitching".

These days, "Not Snitching" and/or not reporting anything at all to law enforcers and investigators counts as lying under oath.

Under what law?