I don't, never have. I am watching a CNN special on it now, but even before this, I thought the evidence against Williams was suspect. I truly think the police were getting it from all sides and Williams was the easiest person to pin it on. Three men-brothers-in the Klan were under surveillance. If they or someone else white had done it, all hell would have broken loose. But still, I don't know what the truth is. It's like that odd case in Oklahoma where pretty much a whole campsite of girl scouts were slaughtered-3 sexually assualted-and it was all pinned on a Native American, who was deemed a bit "odd".

Whoa, I haven't heard of this case as of yet. I'll have to read up on it before I could give an opinion on your question.

you talking about the atlanta child murders or the girl scout one?

scriptgirl said:

you talking about the atlanta child murders or the girl scout one?

OH well, both of them.

scriptgirl said:

I don't, never have. I am watching a CNN special on it now, but even before this, I thought the evidence against Williams was suspect. I truly think the police were getting it from all sides and Williams was the easiest person to pin it on. Three men-brothers-in the Klan were under surveillance. If they or someone else white had done it, all hell would have broken loose. But still, I don't know what the truth is. It's like that odd case in Oklahoma where pretty much a whole campsite of girl scouts were slaughtered-3 sexually assualted-and it was all pinned on a Native American, who was deemed a bit "odd".

Didn't the murders stop once he was arrested? And he was seen on that bridge throwing something off right? And they just happened to find the body of one of the kids down below. I think he did it.

Btw, I was a kid living not far from Atlanta at the time the murders were happening and I was scared! All the kids had me scared shitless. We even had some hopscotch song that I can't now remember about the murderer. Scary times.

PenelopePaige said:

scriptgirl said:

I don't, never have. I am watching a CNN special on it now, but even before this, I thought the evidence against Williams was suspect. I truly think the police were getting it from all sides and Williams was the easiest person to pin it on. Three men-brothers-in the Klan were under surveillance. If they or someone else white had done it, all hell would have broken loose. But still, I don't know what the truth is. It's like that odd case in Oklahoma where pretty much a whole campsite of girl scouts were slaughtered-3 sexually assualted-and it was all pinned on a Native American, who was deemed a bit "odd".

Didn't the murders stop once he was arrested? And he was seen on that bridge throwing something off right? And they just happened to find the body of one of the kids down below. I think he did it.

Btw, I was a kid living not far from Atlanta at the time the murders were happening and I was scared! All the kids had me scared shitless. We even had some hopscotch song that I can't now remember about the murderer. Scary times.

I was just about to say that if I was some crazy psycho killer, that I would stop the killing once someone else was arrested so I could get away with it. But then again, somebody that kills randomly like that is crazy and can't stop unless they are stopped by someone else.

I had forgotten about him being caught on a bridge right after a large splash was heard and a body was found in the water. I tend to think he's guilty also. It's been a long time since I've seen that movie though. I'd love to see it again.

vainandy said:

PenelopePaige said:

Didn't the murders stop once he was arrested? And he was seen on that bridge throwing something off right? And they just happened to find the body of one of the kids down below. I think he did it.

Btw, I was a kid living not far from Atlanta at the time the murders were happening and I was scared! All the kids had me scared shitless. We even had some hopscotch song that I can't now remember about the murderer. Scary times.

I was just about to say that if I was some crazy psycho killer, that I would stop the killing once someone else was arrested so I could get away with it. But then again, somebody that kills randomly like that is crazy and can't stop unless they are stopped by someone else.

I had forgotten about him being caught on a bridge right after a large splash was heard and a body was found in the water. I tend to think he's guilty also. It's been a long time since I've seen that movie though. I'd love to see it again.

I thought the same thing as I was writing that, that if it WERE someone else they would then stop and be in the clear ...... but I still think he did it. Crazy stuff. Remember his dad worked for like, the newspaper or something and was the guy taking all the pictures for the newspaper regarding the murders before they even knew it was his own son?!

The CNN show is talking about all the mistakes made in the case and then they are also talking abou the evidence that backs up that Williams did it. I am sooo confused.

PenelopePaige said:

vainandy said:

I was just about to say that if I was some crazy psycho killer, that I would stop the killing once someone else was arrested so I could get away with it. But then again, somebody that kills randomly like that is crazy and can't stop unless they are stopped by someone else.

I had forgotten about him being caught on a bridge right after a large splash was heard and a body was found in the water. I tend to think he's guilty also. It's been a long time since I've seen that movie though. I'd love to see it again.

I thought the same thing as I was writing that, that if it WERE someone else they would then stop and be in the clear ...... but I still think he did it. Crazy stuff. Remember his dad worked for like, the newspaper or something and was the guy taking all the pictures for the newspaper regarding the murders before they even knew it was his own son?!

Damn, I wish I could see that movie again! I was a teenager when it aired so I don't remember a lot about it. I remember it having it's scary parts such as the killer actually going into a house and taking one of the children. If I had been a black child in Atlanta during that time, I would have been scared as hell to go outside but when someone comes into your house while you're asleep, you're not safe anywhere.

Yep, just like that guy in Florida who took that little girl from her room and later killed her

Short answer: No.

Long(er) answer: NO. I think that there was a lot of inconclusive evidence, and after the police started feeling pressure from all sides, they pinned it on the easiest person they could. And the case would've fallen through if Williams kept his composure in the court at all times.

I didn't like how the interviewer started him questions about things the secret CIA related organizations or whatever that was. I didn't see how that was related to his alleged crimes at all, but maybe I just missed something.

Well, Wayne is obviously not right in the noggin, that much is true. I think they need to reopen the case. DNA has come a long way. I cant believe 27 people were killed.

I believe he has blood on his hands, maybe not for all of them but if it's only one, that's enough to keep him right where he is. I just think how many obvious guilty people get off after botched investigations, just because people didn't do their job perfectly doesn't mean automatic innocence. But it has been a long time, since I've heard of these murders and I was very young so maybe there's more to it.

Hard to answer. I was a teenager too around that time. I used to walk through woods

to different neighborhoods nearby. During that time i was scared as hell too and Atlanta

was just 3 hours away from my hometown. I was really confused with all the details

surrounding the case at the time. I'd like to see that CNN special.

Phunk, they keep repeating that special today-i am sure you can also get it online at cnn.com

I remember seeing his interview on 60 minutes over 20 years ago that convinced me he didn't do it. And i was a teenager when I saw that shit. They mentioned the Klan members too way back then. IIRC some more young black boys were murdered in the years AFTER his arrest that went unsolved.

SCNDLS said:

I remember seeing his interview on 60 minutes over 20 years ago that convinced me he didn't do it. And i was a teenager when I saw that shit. They mentioned the Klan members too way back then. IIRC some more young black boys were murdered in the years AFTER his arrest that went unsolved.

This is the first that I am hearing about this.

Yeah, there were kids murdered after he was arrested

vainandy said:

PenelopePaige said:

Didn't the murders stop once he was arrested? And he was seen on that bridge throwing something off right? And they just happened to find the body of one of the kids down below. I think he did it.

Btw, I was a kid living not far from Atlanta at the time the murders were happening and I was scared! All the kids had me scared shitless. We even had some hopscotch song that I can't now remember about the murderer. Scary times.

I was just about to say that if I was some crazy psycho killer, that I would stop the killing once someone else was arrested so I could get away with it. But then again, somebody that kills randomly like that is crazy and can't stop unless they are stopped by someone else.

Indeed, in the history of serial murder, the killer who suddenly decides to stop killing is very very rare.

Most (if not all) serial murderers do so because of a need, a compulsion to kill. The only way they will (or can) stop is if they are caught, or they themselves die.

I'm still unsure. I remember that he was mighty suspect though. He was an ambulance chaser and had aspirations of being a journalist, didn't he? He was born to parents who were middle-aged wasn't he? His parents were middle-class and he grew up kind of sheltered? I'm just remembering bits and pieces of the investigation, but I distinctly remember the murders "allegedly" stopping when he was arrested. Then again, there could have been more murders, but when black children were murdered or came up missing in the rural south, it wasn't something that was given top priority. Has Wayne Williams ever been eligible for parole? I guess I could go online and do some research, but it's not something that I'm burning to know.

DNA Evidence: http://www.bvblackspin.co...d-murders/

He killed many of them.

I don't think he killed all of them. I think a heavy dose of racism (this was Atlanta circa the 80s afterall) allowed him to probably be the scapegoat for some of them. I think the KKK probably did some of them once the started knowing that Williams would be pinned for all of them.

But Williams is serial killer regardless. At least that's my opinion.

Serial killers have been known to stop, but they always start up again and often increase the frequency---BTK being an example.

why this the first thread I click on after my holiday? bummer!

another serial killer with the name wayne? I be goshtam! ick!

so all these black children were murdered before anybody was deemed a suspect yet alone apprehended?

Well, I'm not sure what to think.

I remember watching the documentary with Soledad O'Brien and watching him talk. His mannerisms, his behaviour, as they talked about the murders, seemed to me, to indicate guilt. He didn't talk about the victims in a positive way, didn't show any grief or remorse that they were dead. He seemed to have an air of disgust when Soledad brought them up, like they were worthless. As to whether or not he did them all, I'm not sure. He could've had an accomplice. Or not. We'll never know.

Besides, if there were other victims after his arrest, can they conclusively link those victims to the other victims? (i.e thru victimology). If they could, they would've released him on the spot. They did that with the first they accused of being BTK...

I think Soledad should've shown him crime scene photos. If he really did it, he wouldn't be able to peel his eyes of the photos. Serial killers love to relive their crimes...

Trust me, I came into this thing thinking this was another case of mistaken identity, that another man was accused of something he didn't do, like David Milgard.But from what I saw...he didn't convince me totally of his innocence.

Then there's that forensice evidence with the carpeting. They matched carpet fibres that were unique to carpeting they found (I think) in his home or car (not sure which) and it was found on one of the victims. But still, that's a physical link.

Just my thoughts...