sweething said:

If you simply observe movies, commericals, television shows you see an uncanny absence of people of color, I mostly notice the absence of blacks. Which in comparison to television and movies of let's say the 1970s where there started to be more blacks as extras and even leads in positive roles.

Really? Can you cite any statistics that point to this decline? Or is this just your own, personal perspective?

The cartels do run certain industries

Here we go again with the 'Jews systemically control Hollywood' (that is what you're saying, right?). Here's a question, open to all:

If jews systematically control Hollywood - ergo, that that "control" is more important than, say, profits - why aren't the majority of actors in Hollywood movies Jewish?

the images/placement of blacks (particularly) tend to be offensive.

Going with your hypothesis (which I believe is an outdated one), you do realize that most of these things were written and/or directed by gentiles, right? I mention this 'cause you seem to be implying that "the Jew!!!" :borat: has created the images of which you speak.

Or am I misunderstanding you?

dreamfactory313 said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

dreamfactory313 said: So no one should say anything, cause everyone will get offended right?

Can you say ANYTHING you want at your job? I sure cant if I plan on keeping it.

Patrice is not saying anything new or groundbreaking. Everything we do in our professional worlds is politics. If you offend the hands that feed you, you'll have to pay the piper. Its common sense. The entertainment industry is just that much more cut throat.

Morgan wasn't at his job. His job is NBC not the stand up stage.

He doesn't have a contract to do stand up, but on 30 Rock he does. If he said something like that while guest hosting SNL (live) than there should be something to be said about that.

Ace said:

sweething said:

If you simply observe movies, commericals, television shows you see an uncanny absence of people of color, I mostly notice the absence of blacks. Which in comparison to television and movies of let's say the 1970s where there started to be more blacks as extras and even leads in positive roles.

Really? Can you cite any statistics that point to this decline? Or is this just your own, personal perspective?

No statistics, I believe my eyes and the black actors who have complained about the lack of quality work for competent actors of color.

Here we go again with the 'Jews systemically control Hollywood' (that is what you're saying, right?). Here's a question, open to all:

If jews systematically control Hollywood - ergo, that that "control" is more important than, say, profits - why aren't the majority of actors in Hollywood movies Jewish?

I did not single out "jews" you did. Whomever the cartels are in Hollywood, Politics, Banking, Music Industry, etc. they are apparent for all to see.

the images/placement of blacks (particularly) tend to be offensive.

Going with your hypothesis (which I believe is an outdated one), you do realize that most of these things were written and/or directed by gentiles, right? I mention this 'cause you seem to be implying that "the Jew!!!" :borat: has created the images of which you speak.

Or am I misunderstanding you?

You are projecting on me. I did not cast the "jews" as the evil-doers you imply, my statements are broad and cover any/all potential exclusive cartel groups.

From rap videos to a lack of serious roles in movies and television it is clear that the "Cosby-esq" family will not be repeated, instead Hollywood prefers to promulate stereotypical caricatures of black people.

I keep telling peple on this board that I am from a distinctly diverse background. Race is not an issue to me. I deal with people on a one-to-one basis and my observations are based on what I see as the truth, period. Please do not put words in my mouth or try to imply something that just isn't there.

sweething said:

Ace said:

Going with your hypothesis (which I believe is an outdated one), you do realize that most of these things were written and/or directed by gentiles, right? I mention this 'cause you seem to be implying that "the Jew!!!" :borat: has created the images of which you speak.

Or am I misunderstanding you?

You are projecting on me. I did not cast the "jews" as the evil-doers you imply, my statements are broad and cover any/all potential exclusive cartel groups.

From rap videos to a lack of serious roles in movies and television it is clear that the "Cosby-esq" family will not be repeated, instead Hollywood prefers to promulate stereotypical caricatures of black people.

I keep telling peple on this board that I am from a distinctly diverse background. Race is not an issue to me. I deal with people on a one-to-one basis and my observations are based on what I see as the truth, period. Please do not put words in my mouth or try to imply something that just isn't there.

But you don't really speak the truth. You speak your truth, which relies so heavily on conjecture and aborted fantasies I can't even tell how you function in society sometimes. Seriously, you're that crazy person who likened me to a pedophile and started pulling crap out your arse to do it.

[snip - CarrieMpls]

You freak out when folks aren't sucking the preverbal Prince cock on the other forum, and yet you seem to be green-lighting homophobic talk under the guise of art.

Ace, you'd be better served not even rationalizing with sweeting. :whacky:

imago said:

sweething said:

You are projecting on me. I did not cast the "jews" as the evil-doers you imply, my statements are broad and cover any/all potential exclusive cartel groups.

From rap videos to a lack of serious roles in movies and television it is clear that the "Cosby-esq" family will not be repeated, instead Hollywood prefers to promulate stereotypical caricatures of black people.

I keep telling peple on this board that I am from a distinctly diverse background. Race is not an issue to me. I deal with people on a one-to-one basis and my observations are based on what I see as the truth, period. Please do not put words in my mouth or try to imply something that just isn't there.

But you don't really speak the truth. You speak your truth, which relies so heavily on conjecture and aborted fantasies I can't even tell how you function in society sometimes. Seriously, you're that crazy person who likened me to a pedophile and started pulling crap out your arse to do it.

[snip - CarrieMpls]

You freak out when folks aren't sucking the preverbal Prince cock on the other forum, and yet you seem to be green-lighting homophobic talk under the guise of art.

Ace, you'd be better served not even rationalizing with sweeting. :whacky:

[snip - CarrieMpls]

You will NEVER determine what I say or how I think, know that. Goodbye and I'm not kidding, try me.

sweething said:

imago said:

But you don't really speak the truth. You speak your truth, which relies so heavily on conjecture and aborted fantasies I can't even tell how you function in society sometimes. Seriously, you're that crazy person who likened me to a pedophile and started pulling crap out your arse to do it.

[snip - CarrieMpls]

You freak out when folks aren't sucking the preverbal Prince cock on the other forum, and yet you seem to be green-lighting homophobic talk under the guise of art.

Ace, you'd be better served not even rationalizing with sweeting. :whacky:

[snip - CarrieMpls]

You will NEVER determine what I say or how I think, know that. Goodbye and I'm not kidding, try me.

You actually reply to several of my threads... at least 4 years worth

http://prince.org/msg/7/353085 <--- a recent one.

I guess, what confuses me is that if you're going to state something, at least be honest, no?

I mean, calling you on your dishonesty isn't exactly against org rules. I guess that's why you can't seem to get me banned despite how hard you've been trying.

dreamfactory313 said:

TD3 said:

Free speech doesn't and shouldn't just protect the profane it should also protect the profound. Those who've spoken profoundly, have been just as prone to being jailed, killed, and shunned. That's why most people do nothing and remain silent.

Do you think that what Tracy Morgan said was profound??

Oh, by no means did I think for a minute what Morgan said was profound.

Morgan is a comedian, there for all subjects are game. Politcal satrist, humorist and comdedians of all persuasion should have the right (our First Amendment ) to say anything they like. Do you or I have to like it or agree with any thing these comedians have to say? NO. People are always so cock sure they know what's offensive and what's not offensive . Really? Listen to Lenny Bruce today and you'll wonder what was the big deal yet, he was harassed and hounded by the police, our goverment, and whiteballed by the media. There's circumstantial evidence that our goverment may have been involved in Bruce's death.

Again who gets to choose what is profane and what is profond? It's a slippery slope for sure, so I am willing to allow all to speak rather I disagree or not. History has taught me one day the tables may turn and "the powers that be" may come after me because I've offended their sensibilities and it may not be because I cracked a joke either.

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TD3 said:

dreamfactory313 said:

Do you think that what Tracy Morgan said was profound??

Oh, by no means did I think for minute what Morgan said was profound.

Morgan is a comedian, there for all subjects are game. Politcal satrist, humorist and comdedians of all persuasion should have the right (our First Amendment ) to say anything they like. Do you or I have to like it or agree with what any of these comedians say? NO. People are always so cock sure they know what's offensive and what's not offensive . Really? Listen to Lenny Bruce today and you'll wonder what was the big deal yet, he was harassed and hounded by the police, our goverment, and whiteballed by the media. There's circumstantial evidence that our goverment may have been involved in Bruce's death.

Again who gets to choose what is profane and what is profond? It's a slippery slope for sure, so I am willing to allow all to speak rather I disagree or not. History has taught me one day the tables may turn and "the powers that be" may come after me because I've offended their sensibilities and it may not be because I cracked a joke either.

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I agree. A person should be able to say whatever they want (FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT) but dont go on an apology tour when people dont like what you said. People also have the right to NOT LIKE what you say or do. If he cant stand the backlash by people who dont think he is funny or think he is disturbing then he shouldnt bother saying it in the first place. Thats all Im saying. Why these lame ass apology tours??

LittleBLUECorvette said:

dreamfactory313 said:

Can you say ANYTHING you want at your job? I sure cant if I plan on keeping it.

Patrice is not saying anything new or groundbreaking. Everything we do in our professional worlds is politics. If you offend the hands that feed you, you'll have to pay the piper. Its common sense. The entertainment industry is just that much more cut throat.

Morgan wasn't at his job. His job is NBC not the stand up stage.

He doesn't have a contract to do stand up, but on 30 Rock he does. If he said something like that while guest hosting SNL (live) than there should be something to be said about that.

As far as Im concerned, if the dude was doing comedy, he was working.

dreamfactory313 said:

TD3 said:

Oh, by no means did I think for minute what Morgan said was profound.

Morgan is a comedian, there for all subjects are game. Politcal satrist, humorist and comdedians of all persuasion should have the right (our First Amendment ) to say anything they like. Do you or I have to like it or agree with what any of these comedians say? NO. People are always so cock sure they know what's offensive and what's not offensive . Really? Listen to Lenny Bruce today and you'll wonder what was the big deal yet, he was harassed and hounded by the police, our goverment, and whiteballed by the media. There's circumstantial evidence that our goverment may have been involved in Bruce's death.

Again who gets to choose what is profane and what is profond? It's a slippery slope for sure, so I am willing to allow all to speak rather I disagree or not. History has taught me one day the tables may turn and "the powers that be" may come after me because I've offended their sensibilities and it may not be because I cracked a joke either.

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[Edited 6/19/11 23:28pm]

I agree. A person should be able to say whatever they want (FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT) but dont go on an apology tour when people dont like what you said. People also have the right to NOT LIKE what you say or do. If he cant stand the backlash by people who dont think he is funny or think he is disturbing then he shouldnt bother saying it in the first place. Thats all Im saying. Why these lame ass apology tours??

I agree. Own up to it.

Of all the things Tracy said in his act, the gay joke is the least disturbing.

dreamfactory313 said:

TonyVanDam said:

Lammastide said:

I do think O'Neal has a point in that folk are probably overprotected from hostile social environments these days. It probably makes us soft. What he might be lost on, however, is that folk -- at least in certain collectives -- invest in that security through generations of blood, sweat, tears and darned strategic positioning of social allies. All groups make such moves to protect themselves... especially in their own domains. It's simply a matter of biology. So "outsiders" may trash talk all they want. But they should be well aware there will be consequences.

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As for comedians, what exactly is the definition of "going too far"?

Not to exclude the homephobia of Tracy Morgan, but I remember a time when some comedians like Andrew Dice Clay, Sarah Silverman, & Eddie Murphy would say somethings about sexuality, race, and/or class that would be equally or more over the line than anything Tracy would say.

The only different between the past & the present is that some LGBTs & some Ashkenazi Jews are not allowing anything to pass them in the 21st century, where by these kinds of harsh jokes about sexuality would have been consider classics in the 1970's & 1980's when political & social incorrectness was still solid to an extent.

There's always flux where social niceties and our obligation to them are regarded. But the "progress" some of use see in certain talents seizing the latitude to do or say whatever they want simply isn't seen as progress by everyone. This, of course, is a subjective matter, but at the end of the day folk who willingly are part of the industry are beholden to the ebb and flow of the current social environment, the current market and the current power brokers. And when/if they choose to challenge those things, well...

Now, where folk like Richard Pryor, George Carlin, Paul Mooney (to some extent), etc. are regarded, I think they could get away with what they did (to the extent they got away with anything; it's not like they endured zero backlash themselves) because their offensive material was designed to strip naked a certain veneer of lingering Victorian hypocrisy in view of the racism, classism and laundry list of other social dysfunctions that inundated the environment in their time. There was a certain revelatory bent in what they said, a certain indictment, a certain revolutionary subversiveness. I suppose one could argue there was a similar import in the Andrew Dice Clay, Eddie Murphy or In Living Color material and, now, in the stuff we see coming from the likes of Tracy Morgan. But as I've racked my brain, I... I simply don't see it. Granted, no one's obliged to progressive social critique in their comedy -- sometimes, a comic is simply there to make us laugh. But I think much of the challenging comedy we see these days is qualitatively different (and, in my own view, more prurient, largely buffoonish and occasionally unapologetically malicious) than what we saw, say, 30, 40 or 50 years ago... and we're seeing that some people recognize it as such and react to it accordingly.

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Patrice is 100% correct.

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