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Reply #30 posted 06/19/11 8:37am

ThreadBare

I appreciate what Oprah consistently has done to use her money for humanitarian causes. But, whenever she says or does stupid stuff like this, I'm reminded of why I've never been a fan of hers. Especially when it plays up her love of having some kind of man grovel on her show over some kind of offense.

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Reply #31 posted 06/19/11 8:45am

Timmy84

ThreadBare said:

I appreciate what Oprah consistently has done to use her money for humanitarian causes. But, whenever she says or does stupid stuff like this, I'm reminded of why I've never been a fan of hers. Especially when it plays up her love of having some kind of man grovel on her show over some kind of offense.

Word.

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Reply #32 posted 06/19/11 4:14pm

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Oprah - "I have a dream of O.J. Simpson confessing to me. And I am going to make that happen, people"

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Before she messes around and gets caught up in some shit.

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Reply #33 posted 06/19/11 4:27pm

suga10

I really find Oprah so annoying

She's always looking for way to be in the news.

Whether its Michael Jackson, or Maria Shriver and Arnold's business, or anything. She's always jumping in outta nowhere.

Like OJ is really gonna tell her anything.

She's do all these because no one gives a crappy about her shitty network.

[Edited 6/19/11 9:29am]

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Reply #34 posted 06/19/11 4:45pm

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LOL Confess? Confess to what?? O.J. DID NOT do it!!

Oprah is my girl and all, but she can be such a pompous bitch sometimes. disbelief

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Reply #35 posted 06/19/11 5:22pm

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Oprah's boundless ego now surpasses O.J.'s... razz

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Reply #36 posted 06/19/11 5:26pm

Timmy84

purplethunder3121 said:

Oprah's boundless ego now surpasses O.J.'s... razz

Oprah's ego surpassed O.J.'s years ago darlin'. lol

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Reply #37 posted 06/19/11 5:40pm

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lol

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Reply #38 posted 06/19/11 7:32pm

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Why would OJ do this? lol

I don't think this would make the public like OJ more. Just a bunch of people saying "I knew it! Disgusting!" or "No way! That's so shitty!"

Would this not affect his past court cases regarding this if he confessed?

(Law is funny that way, maybe I'm wrong.)

[Edited 6/19/11 12:32pm]

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Reply #39 posted 06/20/11 12:34am

dJJ

Oprah is a world wide phenomenon.

She has done so much for feminism, anti-racism, great example for all the girls around the world, made every taboo a subject for discussion.

THere is nobody in the world who can reach Oprah her legacy of all these years she has done tv.

I respect her with every cell in my body.

(And I still think O.J. did it.)

99% of my posts are ironic. Maybe this post sides with the other 1%.
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Reply #40 posted 06/20/11 9:36am

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She just might be able to do it. He looks like he would brag about it and just needs to be convinced to spill it. lol

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Reply #41 posted 06/20/11 11:54am

SoulAlive

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bboy87 said:

just when I thought we finally weren't gonna see her as much..... neutral

This is exactly what I was thinking like, "Didn't she say she was RETIRING?"

I feel the same way lol Why go through the trouble of ending her talk show if she was just gonna start a whole new one?

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Reply #42 posted 06/20/11 3:00pm

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Even if he never admits it, she needs to let that bastard fade away because he's caused enough division already.

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Reply #43 posted 06/20/11 3:12pm

Harlepolis

vainandy said:

Even if he never admits it, she needs to let that bastard fade away because he's caused enough division already.

No he didn't, Andy. He just gave many folks a chance to drop their so-called colorblind, hypocritical and PC masks and show their real feelings, and they took that chance. He couldn't help what they were about all along.

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Reply #44 posted 06/20/11 3:19pm

Timmy84

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She just might be able to do it. He looks like he would brag about it and just needs to be convinced to spill it. lol

He don't have to. Remember that stupid book? bored2

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Reply #45 posted 06/20/11 4:05pm

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Harlepolis said:

vainandy said:

Even if he never admits it, she needs to let that bastard fade away because he's caused enough division already.

No he didn't, Andy. He just gave many folks a chance to drop their so-called colorblind, hypocritical and PC masks and show their real feelings, and they took that chance. He couldn't help what they were about all along.

Well, I've never seen people so divided as they were during those years. It's like every single white person, even down to the most liberal, and myself included, thought he was guilty and it was like every single black person I came in contact with, even the most conservative, thought he was innocent.

There was just a feeling in the air that "you ain't really black" unless you think he's innocent or at least say he's innocent if you're asked. During the bronco chase, I remember hearing comments from black people who I thought were my friends at the time such as "he should have killed that white bitch". I couldn't believe my ears, especially with me sitting in the room and they knew I was in the room. And then when the trial started and everyone seemingly "took sides", all of a sudden, that same person was like "he's innocent".

Then, after the trial, when he was found "not guilty", a black friend of mine that I had known for years asked me what I thought of the verdict and I just simply told him me honest opinion of what I thought happened. That since the victim was white and he is black, and also the fact that the police officer involved was racist, that he used all this to get away with it and that yes, a police officer could be racist and that he could still be guilty even though the officer was racist. His reply to me, in a whisper was..."I think he did it too but I'm glad he got away with it because white people have killed blacks for years and have gotten away with it"....Well, that just floored me. I told him that I would be happy if he got away with it too if he had killed a Klan member or even another racist but he killed a white woman he was previously married to for reasons having nothing to do with race and then use the fact that other whites are racist to get away with killing someone who wasn't racist but just happened to be white. I told him that if someone black ever killed me, I would hope my black friends wouldn't want that person to get away with it because I happen to be white and there are plenty of white racists in the world. I told him that I would hate to be the white "sacrifice" that's paying for what other whites have done. Yeah, it's possible I could be wrong in my opinion that's he's guilty because only he knows for sure if he did it or not. But some of the statements I heard from some blacks that I thought were my friends back then that thought that "I of all people should understand where they're coming from" scared the hell out of me. It was almost like that I didn't count as the individual they knew with a mind of his own but "just another white person" who wasn't too good to be sacrificed if it came down to getting even with other whites. At least, that's how it felt to me. I took it very personal.

Those were some horrible times and I'd love to see them just fade away.

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Reply #46 posted 06/20/11 4:11pm

Graycap23

vainandy said:

Harlepolis said:

No he didn't, Andy. He just gave many folks a chance to drop their so-called colorblind, hypocritical and PC masks and show their real feelings, and they took that chance. He couldn't help what they were about all along.

Well, I've never seen people so divided as they were during those years. It's like every single white person, even down to the most liberal, and myself included, thought he was guilty and it was like every single black person I came in contact with, even the most conservative, thought he was innocent.

There was just a feeling in the air that "you ain't really black" unless you think he's innocent or at least say he's innocent if you're asked. During the bronco chase, I remember hearing comments from black people who I thought were my friends at the time such as "he should have killed that white bitch". I couldn't believe my ears, especially with me sitting in the room and they knew I was in the room. And then when the trial started and everyone seemingly "took sides", all of a sudden, that same person was like "he's innocent".

Then, after the trial, when he was found "not guilty", a black friend of mine that I had known for years asked me what I thought of the verdict and I just simply told him me honest opinion of what I thought happened. That since the victim was white and he is black, and also the fact that the police officer involved was racist, that he used all this to get away with it and that yes, a police officer could be racist and that he could still be guilty even though the officer was racist. His reply to me, in a whisper was..."I think he did it too but I'm glad he got away with it because white people have killed blacks for years and have gotten away with it"....Well, that just floored me. I told him that I would be happy if he got away with it too if he had killed a Klan member or even another racist but he killed a white woman he was previously married to for reasons having nothing to do with race and then use the fact that other whites are racist to get away with killing someone who wasn't racist but just happened to be white. I told him that if someone black ever killed me, I would hope my black friends wouldn't want that person to get away with it because I happen to be white and there are plenty of white racists in the world. I told him that I would hate to be the white "sacrifice" that's paying for what other whites have done. Yeah, it's possible I could be wrong in my opinion that's he's guilty because only he knows for sure if he did it or not. But some of the statements I heard from some blacks that I thought were my friends back then that thought that "I of all people should understand where they're coming from" scared the hell out of me. It was almost like that I didn't count as the individual they knew with a mind of his own but "just another white person" who wasn't too good to be sacrificed if it came down to getting even with other whites. At least, that's how it felt to me. I took it very personal.

Those were some horrible times and I'd love to see them just fade away.

Just curious.............what was the reason 4 killing her?

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Reply #47 posted 06/20/11 4:19pm

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Graycap23 said:

vainandy said:

Well, I've never seen people so divided as they were during those years. It's like every single white person, even down to the most liberal, and myself included, thought he was guilty and it was like every single black person I came in contact with, even the most conservative, thought he was innocent.

There was just a feeling in the air that "you ain't really black" unless you think he's innocent or at least say he's innocent if you're asked. During the bronco chase, I remember hearing comments from black people who I thought were my friends at the time such as "he should have killed that white bitch". I couldn't believe my ears, especially with me sitting in the room and they knew I was in the room. And then when the trial started and everyone seemingly "took sides", all of a sudden, that same person was like "he's innocent".

Then, after the trial, when he was found "not guilty", a black friend of mine that I had known for years asked me what I thought of the verdict and I just simply told him me honest opinion of what I thought happened. That since the victim was white and he is black, and also the fact that the police officer involved was racist, that he used all this to get away with it and that yes, a police officer could be racist and that he could still be guilty even though the officer was racist. His reply to me, in a whisper was..."I think he did it too but I'm glad he got away with it because white people have killed blacks for years and have gotten away with it"....Well, that just floored me. I told him that I would be happy if he got away with it too if he had killed a Klan member or even another racist but he killed a white woman he was previously married to for reasons having nothing to do with race and then use the fact that other whites are racist to get away with killing someone who wasn't racist but just happened to be white. I told him that if someone black ever killed me, I would hope my black friends wouldn't want that person to get away with it because I happen to be white and there are plenty of white racists in the world. I told him that I would hate to be the white "sacrifice" that's paying for what other whites have done. Yeah, it's possible I could be wrong in my opinion that's he's guilty because only he knows for sure if he did it or not. But some of the statements I heard from some blacks that I thought were my friends back then that thought that "I of all people should understand where they're coming from" scared the hell out of me. It was almost like that I didn't count as the individual they knew with a mind of his own but "just another white person" who wasn't too good to be sacrificed if it came down to getting even with other whites. At least, that's how it felt to me. I took it very personal.

Those were some horrible times and I'd love to see them just fade away.

Just curious.............what was the reason 4 killing her?

He had a history of beating her. I don't know. Jealousy? Control? If he did it, only he knows for sure.

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Reply #48 posted 06/20/11 4:35pm

Graycap23

vainandy said:

Graycap23 said:

Just curious.............what was the reason 4 killing her?

He had a history of beating her. I don't know. Jealousy? Control? If he did it, only he knows for sure.

A history of beating his EX wife?

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Reply #49 posted 06/20/11 4:47pm

Timmy84

Whatever happened, people of ALL colors can come together and say OJ was and is a DUMBASS! Certifiable nutcase too. Fuck him.

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Reply #50 posted 06/20/11 4:55pm

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Timmy84 said:

Whatever happened, people of ALL colors can come together and say OJ was and is a DUMBASS! Certifiable nutcase too. Fuck him.

Certifiable is the operative word in O.J.'s case! nuts

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Reply #51 posted 06/20/11 5:30pm

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Timmy84 said:

TD3 said:

lol lol lol I didn't see her last shows.

As far as Oprah working on OWN network, she might as well be retired because I can't find that channel either... you know my issuess. lol Well no, maybe that's a good thing. lol

I didn't either but I caught Patti and Aretha on YouTube from the finales lol

But yeah Oprah said she was having mad problems with OWN. It's not on my station... I don't know if I can't find it or it's not available. lol

Maybe if she puts on shows that people would actually like seeing, instead of repeats of Oprah behind the scenes. Her station is boring.

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Reply #52 posted 06/20/11 5:41pm

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vainandy said:

Harlepolis said:

No he didn't, Andy. He just gave many folks a chance to drop their so-called colorblind, hypocritical and PC masks and show their real feelings, and they took that chance. He couldn't help what they were about all along.

Well, I've never seen people so divided as they were during those years. It's like every single white person, even down to the most liberal, and myself included, thought he was guilty and it was like every single black person I came in contact with, even the most conservative, thought he was innocent.

I was happy he was acquitted, not because I was so sure he was innocent, but because of the clearly racist cops that went out of their way to plant false evidence. Those idiots should have just let the REAL evidence (...or lack of...) speak for itself, but to go around adding blood spots and other manufactured "evidence" really pissed me off (as I feel many Black people felt the same). For me, OJ's "Not Guilty" verdict really said: Those racist cops WERE guilty. Personally, I don't think many people, of any race, doubted OJ's likely involvement. But those dirty cops made this case all about them (IMHO), which was sad because certainly two very innocent people lost their lives that night and deserved justice.

Nevertheless, the first time I saw OJ's face, after the slow-speed chase when he was first brought into the courtroom, I was CERTAIN he was guilty. The look on his face told me everything I needed to know. But now all these years later, after reading the .pdf outline of a book attorney F. Lee Bailey has been working on all these years (O.J. Simpson's ex lawyer,...s innocent), he lays out a case, including evidence and other material that wasn't allowed into the original case, that gives me reason to doubt my judgment of OJ's guilt.

Ultimately, I'm going to leave the judgment of OJ's guilt or innocence to his Maker, as I will with the judgment of another of Johnnie Cochran's clients: Michael Jackson. My heart goes out to Nicole and her friend Ron (as well as to their respective families), because no one deserves to die the way they did.

And to Oprah: Good luck with that.

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Reply #53 posted 06/20/11 6:24pm

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Timmy84 said:

wildgoldenhoney said:

She just might be able to do it. He looks like he would brag about it and just needs to be convinced to spill it. lol

He don't have to. Remember that stupid book? bored2

It was IF I did it.

She might employ the help of this team... they could provoke him to say, "Yeah, I killed her". lol

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Reply #54 posted 06/20/11 6:36pm

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vainandy said:

But some of the statements I heard from some blacks that I thought were my friends back then that thought that "I of all people should understand where they're coming from" scared the hell out of me. It was almost like that I didn't count as the individual they knew with a mind of his own but "just another white person" who wasn't too good to be sacrificed if it came down to getting even with other whites. At least, that's how it felt to me. I took it very personal.

I'm sorry you were made to feel that way. You would NOT have gotten that impression from me (...speaking only for myself).

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Reply #55 posted 06/20/11 7:12pm

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PDogz said:

vainandy said:

Well, I've never seen people so divided as they were during those years. It's like every single white person, even down to the most liberal, and myself included, thought he was guilty and it was like every single black person I came in contact with, even the most conservative, thought he was innocent.

I was happy he was acquitted, not because I was so sure he was innocent, but because of the clearly racist cops that went out of their way to plant false evidence. Those idiots should have just let the REAL evidence (...or lack of...) speak for itself, but to go around adding blood spots and other manufactured "evidence" really pissed me off (as I feel many Black people felt the same). For me, OJ's "Not Guilty" verdict really said: Those racist cops WERE guilty. Personally, I don't think many people, of any race, doubted OJ's likely involvement. But those dirty cops made this case all about them (IMHO), which was sad because certainly two very innocent people lost their lives that night and deserved justice.

Nevertheless, the first time I saw OJ's face, after the slow-speed chase when he was first brought into the courtroom, I was CERTAIN he was guilty. The look on his face told me everything I needed to know. But now all these years later, after reading the .pdf outline of a book attorney F. Lee Bailey has been working on all these years (O.J. Simpson's ex lawyer,...s innocent), he lays out a case, including evidence and other material that wasn't allowed into the original case, that gives me reason to doubt my judgment of OJ's guilt.

Ultimately, I'm going to leave the judgment of OJ's guilt or innocence to his Maker, as I will with the judgment of another of Johnnie Cochran's clients: Michael Jackson. My heart goes out to Nicole and her friend Ron (as well as to their respective families), because no one deserves to die the way they did.

And to Oprah: Good luck with that.

Now see, I can totally respect your post and can also somewhat see why you feel the way you do and respect your honesty about why you feel the way you do. It is definately a shame there were racist police even involved in the matter and if they planted or tampered with evidence, that definately would piss people off and I can understand why. But I just knew from the first moment I heard on the news that one of the officers was known for making racist remarks, that it was going to be a huge factor in getting OJ off the hook whether evidence was planted or not. I didn't follow the trial day in and day out because after so long, it got boring as hell and played out so I don't know every little detail about planted evidence, although I don't doubt it if the police were racist and from what I saw towards the beginning of the ordeal, one of them was definately a racist. So those idiots' racism lost them the case and in a way, they deserve it and I can understand why you feel they deserve it.

But I know from personal experiences of dating interracially and also having several interracial marriages in my family, that a black person, or even the white person in the relationship for that matter, can be guilty as sin, while racism exists all around them. For instance, in the 1980s, my sister was dating a black guy who got mad at her and slapped her around one night. She got in her car to leave his house and he followed her in his car so she just drove up to the police station and he continued to drive when he saw where she went. She then, called my mother, who wanted to press charges on him and police told her they didn't care because she shouldn't have been dating a black guy to begin with and what kind of mother was she to not only allow it, but approve of it. Now, that's definately in your face racism from the police right there but it still doesn't change the fact that her boyfriend did indeed shove and slap her around and it pissed us all off that nothing was done to him simply because those police were racist and wouldn't do anything. I've dated interracially numerous times myself where somebody black has done me wrong and the shoe has also been on the other foot where I've been the guilty party. Nothing racially movitivated, just normal wrong doings that happen to any couple regardless of race.

If I were one of the jurors on the OJ case, I would have asked to be excused from jury duty because there's no way I could have been objective because of my personal life dating interracially and having interracial couples in my own family. If I felt in my heart that he truly was guilty but it just couldn't be proven, there's no way I could have been objective because the whole time, I would have been thinking..."What if she was me"....that's why I would ask to be excused from jury duty.

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Reply #56 posted 06/20/11 7:32pm

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PDogz said:

vainandy said:

But some of the statements I heard from some blacks that I thought were my friends back then that thought that "I of all people should understand where they're coming from" scared the hell out of me. It was almost like that I didn't count as the individual they knew with a mind of his own but "just another white person" who wasn't too good to be sacrificed if it came down to getting even with other whites. At least, that's how it felt to me. I took it very personal.

I'm sorry you were made to feel that way. You would NOT have gotten that impression from me (...speaking only for myself).

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Reply #57 posted 06/20/11 7:54pm

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vainandy said:

Harlepolis said:

No he didn't, Andy. He just gave many folks a chance to drop their so-called colorblind, hypocritical and PC masks and show their real feelings, and they took that chance. He couldn't help what they were about all along.

Well, I've never seen people so divided as they were during those years. It's like every single white person, even down to the most liberal, and myself included, thought he was guilty and it was like every single black person I came in contact with, even the most conservative, thought he was innocent.

There was just a feeling in the air that "you ain't really black" unless you think he's innocent or at least say he's innocent if you're asked. During the bronco chase, I remember hearing comments from black people who I thought were my friends at the time such as "he should have killed that white bitch". I couldn't believe my ears, especially with me sitting in the room and they knew I was in the room. And then when the trial started and everyone seemingly "took sides", all of a sudden, that same person was like "he's innocent".

Then, after the trial, when he was found "not guilty", a black friend of mine that I had known for years asked me what I thought of the verdict and I just simply told him me honest opinion of what I thought happened. That since the victim was white and he is black, and also the fact that the police officer involved was racist, that he used all this to get away with it and that yes, a police officer could be racist and that he could still be guilty even though the officer was racist. His reply to me, in a whisper was..."I think he did it too but I'm glad he got away with it because white people have killed blacks for years and have gotten away with it"....Well, that just floored me. I told him that I would be happy if he got away with it too if he had killed a Klan member or even another racist but he killed a white woman he was previously married to for reasons having nothing to do with race and then use the fact that other whites are racist to get away with killing someone who wasn't racist but just happened to be white. I told him that if someone black ever killed me, I would hope my black friends wouldn't want that person to get away with it because I happen to be white and there are plenty of white racists in the world. I told him that I would hate to be the white "sacrifice" that's paying for what other whites have done. Yeah, it's possible I could be wrong in my opinion that's he's guilty because only he knows for sure if he did it or not. But some of the statements I heard from some blacks that I thought were my friends back then that thought that "I of all people should understand where they're coming from" scared the hell out of me. It was almost like that I didn't count as the individual they knew with a mind of his own but "just another white person" who wasn't too good to be sacrificed if it came down to getting even with other whites. At least, that's how it felt to me. I took it very personal.

Those were some horrible times and I'd love to see them just fade away.

I agree with what you're saying for the most part, and I hated the whole thing, from the murder (whoever did it) to the spectacle, to the judge and lawyers, Geraldo, peoples' reactions on both sides, the defendant, the drugs, racism, and even the victims & their families. It showed the very worst that the world has to offer, set in the heart of pukey LA.

But one thing that I learned from it, that I think enlightened me quite a bit, were those different perspectives. The evidence was overwhelming to me, but to others, other factors were clearly overwhelming. I might personally believe OJ did it, but I can't just discount what millions of others (or the jury) believe. The jury saw the same evidence I did, and let him off. Am I supposed to think they were all just crazy for revenge? No, I just think maybe they had a different perspective on the whole story than I did--law enforcement, the evidence, the prosecution & LAPD (which sucked, quite honestly)--and their voices were heard. No trial determines the truth, it just determines what a jury believes to be true after reviewing ALL the evidence. So "not-guilty" has some validity in my mind.

The other interesting thing was that it showed that money has become a greater determinant of inequity than race (at least legally speaking and in this extreme situation). OJ got off not only because (if) he was innocent, he got off because he was a superstar with the best lawyers money could buy--despite the fact that he was portrayed as guilty from day one, with a sort of glee to watch him fall that screamed of age-old racism. Innocent or not, I don't think anyone but OJ could have been found not-guilty in those same circumstances.

The whole thing was an ugly spectacle, but shows both how far we have come, and, unfortunately how far we have to go.

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Reply #58 posted 06/20/11 7:56pm

Graycap23

NDRU said:

vainandy said:

Well, I've never seen people so divided as they were during those years. It's like every single white person, even down to the most liberal, and myself included, thought he was guilty and it was like every single black person I came in contact with, even the most conservative, thought he was innocent.

There was just a feeling in the air that "you ain't really black" unless you think he's innocent or at least say he's innocent if you're asked. During the bronco chase, I remember hearing comments from black people who I thought were my friends at the time such as "he should have killed that white bitch". I couldn't believe my ears, especially with me sitting in the room and they knew I was in the room. And then when the trial started and everyone seemingly "took sides", all of a sudden, that same person was like "he's innocent".

Then, after the trial, when he was found "not guilty", a black friend of mine that I had known for years asked me what I thought of the verdict and I just simply told him me honest opinion of what I thought happened. That since the victim was white and he is black, and also the fact that the police officer involved was racist, that he used all this to get away with it and that yes, a police officer could be racist and that he could still be guilty even though the officer was racist. His reply to me, in a whisper was..."I think he did it too but I'm glad he got away with it because white people have killed blacks for years and have gotten away with it"....Well, that just floored me. I told him that I would be happy if he got away with it too if he had killed a Klan member or even another racist but he killed a white woman he was previously married to for reasons having nothing to do with race and then use the fact that other whites are racist to get away with killing someone who wasn't racist but just happened to be white. I told him that if someone black ever killed me, I would hope my black friends wouldn't want that person to get away with it because I happen to be white and there are plenty of white racists in the world. I told him that I would hate to be the white "sacrifice" that's paying for what other whites have done. Yeah, it's possible I could be wrong in my opinion that's he's guilty because only he knows for sure if he did it or not. But some of the statements I heard from some blacks that I thought were my friends back then that thought that "I of all people should understand where they're coming from" scared the hell out of me. It was almost like that I didn't count as the individual they knew with a mind of his own but "just another white person" who wasn't too good to be sacrificed if it came down to getting even with other whites. At least, that's how it felt to me. I took it very personal.

Those were some horrible times and I'd love to see them just fade away.

I agree with what you're saying for the most part, and I hated the whole thing, from the murder (whoever did it) to the spectacle, to the judge and lawyers, Geraldo, peoples' reactions on both sides, the defendant, the drugs, racism, and even the victims & their families. It showed the very worst that the world has to offer, set in the heart of pukey LA.

But one thing that I learned from it, that I think enlightened me quite a bit, were those different perspectives. The evidence was overwhelming to me, but to others, other factors were clearly overwhelming. I might personally believe OJ did it, but I can't just discount what millions of others (or the jury) believe. The jury saw the same evidence I did, and let him off. Am I supposed to think they were all just crazy for revenge? No, I just think maybe they had a different perspective on the whole story than I did--law enforcement, the evidence, the prosecution & LAPD (which sucked, quite honestly)--and their voices were heard. No trial determines the truth, it just determines what a jury believes to be true after reviewing ALL the evidence. So "not-guilty" has some validity in my mind.

The other interesting thing was that it showed that money has become a greater determinant of inequity than race (at least legally speaking and in this extreme situation). OJ got off not only because (if) he was innocent, he got off because he was a superstar with the best lawyers money could buy--despite the fact that he was portrayed as guilty from day one, with a sort of glee to watch him fall that screamed of age-old racism. Innocent or not, I don't think anyone but OJ could have been found not-guilty in those same circumstances.

The whole thing was an ugly spectacle, but shows both how far we have come, and, unfortunately how far we have to go.

Just curious....what do u think his motive would have been?

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NDRU said:

I agree with what you're saying for the most part, and I hated the whole thing, from the murder (whoever did it) to the spectacle, to the judge and lawyers, Geraldo, peoples' reactions on both sides, the defendant, the drugs, racism, and even the victims & their families. It showed the very worst that the world has to offer, set in the heart of pukey LA.

But one thing that I learned from it, that I think enlightened me quite a bit, were those different perspectives. The evidence was overwhelming to me, but to others, other factors were clearly overwhelming. I might personally believe OJ did it, but I can't just discount what millions of others (or the jury) believe. The jury saw the same evidence I did, and let him off. Am I supposed to think they were all just crazy for revenge? No, I just think maybe they had a different perspective on the whole story than I did--law enforcement, the evidence, the prosecution & LAPD (which sucked, quite honestly)--and their voices were heard. No trial determines the truth, it just determines what a jury believes to be true after reviewing ALL the evidence. So "not-guilty" has some validity in my mind.

The other interesting thing was that it showed that money has become a greater determinant of inequity than race (at least legally speaking and in this extreme situation). OJ got off not only because (if) he was innocent, he got off because he was a superstar with the best lawyers money could buy--despite the fact that he was portrayed as guilty from day one, with a sort of glee to watch him fall that screamed of age-old racism. Innocent or not, I don't think anyone but OJ could have been found not-guilty in those same circumstances.

The whole thing was an ugly spectacle, but shows both how far we have come, and, unfortunately how far we have to go.

Just curious....what do u think his motive would have been?

I don't know because I don't know them. And since I don't know if he did it I could only guess. Jealousy is the one they picked.

But I also don't know what anyone else's motive could have been to kill both of them, especially to do it so violently. I know I would have used a gun! shake eek

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