WTF? Kurt Angle and Jeff Jarrett are having a match in the parking lot

with all the other wrestlers outside looking on. You can hear Bully Ray

telling Jarrett to kick his ass.

phunkdaddy said:

WTF? Kurt Angle and Jeff Jarrett are having a match in the parking lot

with all the other wrestlers outside looking on. You can hear Bully Ray

telling Jarrett to kick his ass.

The Pope was sitting there eating some Pringles

I've been watching TNA lately and I really dig the whole "Wrestling Matters" thing they've got going. The clips of fans telling why wrestling matters to them sometimes come off silly, but the wrestlers testimonies, the flashing "Wrestling Matters" signs, the promos with guys immediately after their matches (when they speak as legitimate athletes, not screaming some silly promo) are really good to me.

If they would just cut the ridiculous and old "Authority vs. Whoever" gimmick, shorten the promos and FOCUS ON THE WRESTLING. They have some of the best workers on their roster and some of them could really shine in 15-20 min matches, even an occasional 25-30 min run. And on a side note, THEY MUST STOP TAPING SHOWS.

Guess I'm saying that they've got the ingredients to really put on good quality WRESTLING shows but the folks in charge are even more clueless than the folks running WWE.

Speaking of WWE...HHH is taking over. He already swiped Mistico and Averno from Mexico...Awesome Kong (oops!)...Hero and Catagnoli had in ring workouts prior to Raw and Smackdown this week. I think he's starting a full fledged raid of the indy's.

Should be interesting.

StonedImmaculate said:

I've been watching TNA lately and I really dig the whole "Wrestling Matters" thing they've got going. The clips of fans telling why wrestling matters to them sometimes come off silly, but the wrestlers testimonies, the flashing "Wrestling Matters" signs, the promos with guys immediately after their matches (when they speak as legitimate athletes, not screaming some silly promo) are really good to me.

If they would just cut the ridiculous and old "Authority vs. Whoever" gimmick, shorten the promos and FOCUS ON THE WRESTLING. They have some of the best workers on their roster and some of them could really shine in 15-20 min matches, even an occasional 25-30 min run. And on a side note, THEY MUST STOP TAPING SHOWS.

Guess I'm saying that they've got the ingredients to really put on good quality WRESTLING shows but the folks in charge are even more clueless than the folks running WWE.

Speaking of WWE...HHH is taking over. He already swiped Mistico and Averno from Mexico...Awesome Kong (oops!)...Hero and Catagnoli had in ring workouts prior to Raw and Smackdown this week. I think he's starting a full fledged raid of the indy's.

Should be interesting.

I definitely agree. If they got rid of those terrible backstage videos and cut down on the promos and added more matches, it would be a way better show. and maybe do a show at an actual arena once a month. The shows in North Carolina were packed.

The X Division is criminally underused and The Knockouts Division is way ahead of the WWE's Divas too

bboy87 said

The Knockouts Division is way ahead of the WWE's Divas too

WAY ahead of the WWE Divas. The so-called Divas usually only serve as eye candy, save for a couple of them.

I really wish TNA had better success, as they have all the tools and ingredients to do it. I can't stand the WWE not having any real competition and therefore giving us whatever shit they please. They do it because they think the general wrestling fan has nowhere else to go. That's gotta change! They only "step it up" when they feel threatened.

^ They should feel threatened when their ratings drop! Can't wait until I see this headline here:

WWE STRUGGLES TO FIND VIEWERS AFTER RATINGS BEGIN MASSIVE SLIDE DOWN FROM LAST YEAR

Timmy84 said:

^ They should feel threatened when their ratings drop! Can't wait until I see this headline here:

WWE STRUGGLES TO FIND VIEWERS AFTER RATINGS BEGIN MASSIVE SLIDE DOWN FROM LAST YEAR

Oh...they feel threatened.

I think Wrestlemania barely got 1 million buys and the early returns on Over the Limit show a ridiculously low 60,000 buys (final number isnt out yet though).

Smackdown ratings are in the toilet...RAW starting to drop. I've been reading the dirt sheets lately and Vince is trying to fool folks into thinking everyone's still watching. From wrestlezone.com...

Tonight on Monday Night Raw, WWE posted a fact (pictured below) stating:

"Last night on USA, over 10,000,000 viewers watched Tough Enough and WWE Raw."

The post is both erroneous and misleading.

First of all, Raw and Tough Enough do not air on USA Network on Sunday nights.

Secondly, and even more importantly, the 10,000,000 number is misleading. A WrestleZone source in the television industry explains, "there haven't been 10 million tuned in to wrestling since The Monday Night Wars. WWE takes the total number of viewers for the 8pm Tough Enough, adds that to the 9pm viewership for Raw, adds that to the 10pm viewership for Raw, and then the viewership for the Tough Enough repeat. They are counting as if each hour has its own unique audience that doesn't stay on or overlap."

In the Internet business, when the same person visits a website more than once per day, he or she is counted as one unique visitor. WWE is not going with the "unique viewer" approach, and the figure of 10 million is, at best, misleading.

--------------------

I guess desperate times call for desperate measures.

alexnvrmnd777 said:

bboy87 said

The Knockouts Division is way ahead of the WWE's Divas too

WAY ahead of the WWE Divas. The so-called Divas usually only serve as eye candy, save for a couple of them.

I really wish TNA had better success, as they have all the tools and ingredients to do it. I can't stand the WWE not having any real competition and therefore giving us whatever shit they please. They do it because they think the general wrestling fan has nowhere else to go. That's gotta change! They only "step it up" when they feel threatened.

TNA got some fine Knockouts too, but they're actually wrestlers although Angelina Love REALLY needs to get some ProActive

Kelly Kelly was literally a swimsuit model and because of how she looked, the creative team offered her a contract

I know she aint the hot one, but I love me some ODB.

StonedImmaculate said:

Timmy84 said:

^ They should feel threatened when their ratings drop! Can't wait until I see this headline here:

WWE STRUGGLES TO FIND VIEWERS AFTER RATINGS BEGIN MASSIVE SLIDE DOWN FROM LAST YEAR

Oh...they feel threatened.

I think Wrestlemania barely got 1 million buys and the early returns on Over the Limit show a ridiculously low 60,000 buys (final number isnt out yet though).

Smackdown ratings are in the toilet...RAW starting to drop. I've been reading the dirt sheets lately and Vince is trying to fool folks into thinking everyone's still watching. From wrestlezone.com...

Tonight on Monday Night Raw, WWE posted a fact (pictured below) stating:

"Last night on USA, over 10,000,000 viewers watched Tough Enough and WWE Raw."

The post is both erroneous and misleading.

First of all, Raw and Tough Enough do not air on USA Network on Sunday nights.

Secondly, and even more importantly, the 10,000,000 number is misleading. A WrestleZone source in the television industry explains, "there haven't been 10 million tuned in to wrestling since The Monday Night Wars. WWE takes the total number of viewers for the 8pm Tough Enough, adds that to the 9pm viewership for Raw, adds that to the 10pm viewership for Raw, and then the viewership for the Tough Enough repeat. They are counting as if each hour has its own unique audience that doesn't stay on or overlap."

In the Internet business, when the same person visits a website more than once per day, he or she is counted as one unique visitor. WWE is not going with the "unique viewer" approach, and the figure of 10 million is, at best, misleading.

--------------------

I guess desperate times call for desperate measures.

I figured WWE was slipping but wasn't sure. They would do some shit like that... boasting about "ten million". Ain't no ten million gonna spend time watching a male soap opera after 25 years of seeing the same thing. People get tired. And it's harder to rear in younger fans who may not even understand what sports entertainment used to represent.

StonedImmaculate said:

I know she aint the hot one, but I love me some ODB.

No, but she got some decent titties. Didn't she used to be with Mr. Anderson?

StonedImmaculate said:

Timmy84 said:

^ They should feel threatened when their ratings drop! Can't wait until I see this headline here:

WWE STRUGGLES TO FIND VIEWERS AFTER RATINGS BEGIN MASSIVE SLIDE DOWN FROM LAST YEAR

Oh...they feel threatened.

I think Wrestlemania barely got 1 million buys and the early returns on Over the Limit show a ridiculously low 60,000 buys (final number isnt out yet though).

Smackdown ratings are in the toilet...RAW starting to drop. I've been reading the dirt sheets lately and Vince is trying to fool folks into thinking everyone's still watching. From wrestlezone.com...

Tonight on Monday Night Raw, WWE posted a fact (pictured below) stating:

"Last night on USA, over 10,000,000 viewers watched Tough Enough and WWE Raw."

The post is both erroneous and misleading.

First of all, Raw and Tough Enough do not air on USA Network on Sunday nights.

Secondly, and even more importantly, the 10,000,000 number is misleading. A WrestleZone source in the television industry explains, "there haven't been 10 million tuned in to wrestling since The Monday Night Wars. WWE takes the total number of viewers for the 8pm Tough Enough, adds that to the 9pm viewership for Raw, adds that to the 10pm viewership for Raw, and then the viewership for the Tough Enough repeat. They are counting as if each hour has its own unique audience that doesn't stay on or overlap."

In the Internet business, when the same person visits a website more than once per day, he or she is counted as one unique visitor. WWE is not going with the "unique viewer" approach, and the figure of 10 million is, at best, misleading.

--------------------

I guess desperate times call for desperate measures.

Lol! I remember when that graphic came up! I was like, "Now they're just straight up lyin'!!" I figured, though, they meant to say "last week", but still. As that TV exec explained, they're just stretching to make themselves way more relevant than they are. Who cares if they have more FB friends or whatever than some other people or organizations.

I really do hope Vince is indeed paying attention to the declining numbers, because his product is straight doo-doo right about now. But, if he does notice it, he's not doing shit about it. Everything's still the same. Cena still wins all the damn time, and he's still the same character, a kid-totin' Superman...with new gear every month to make those said kids (or really their parents) spend more and more money every damn month. I guess they have to make up the declining PPV revenue somehow, but damn!!

They got the hot-as-all-get-up-and-go R-Truth right now, and they'll NEVER give him the title (and I'm sure we all now why). Not just this coming Sunday but at any point, IMO. Maybe a small US Championship, but that means absolutely nothing now. People barely remember who holds it now (Kofi Kingston, which I had to seriously think about to remember).

I wan't R-Truth to have the title.

alexnvrmnd777 said:

StonedImmaculate said:

I know she aint the hot one, but I love me some ODB.

No, but she got some decent titties. Didn't she used to be with Mr. Anderson?

Timmy84 said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

I tried to watch and get into the PPV earlier tonight, but I just couldn't get into it. I saw most of the first tag team match, but I couldn't even make it past Big Poppa Pump's ring intro. I don't know what it is, but there's something about TNA that's just so generic and boring. The whole Bischoff and Hogan thing is SO old, it's ridiculous, and how many teams are they going to bring Jarrett and Angle together because of the whole divorce thing?

Their only interesting characters are former WWE employees, but when they get there, there's really no more growth. I always hate when they try to break up the Dudleys like they've done and WWE did before too. They should ALWAYS remain a team.

The only good thing in wrestling right now is the emergence of R-Truth!! He has been INCREDIBLE since turning heel a couple of months ago. It's a shame that they're going to let Cena win yet again at the next PPV and keep the championship and not give it to Truth. I would love to see what his reign would be like. But unfortunately for him, he's too black; something Vince won't stand for.

That's my one pet peeve about WWE... Never sat well with me at all. R-Truth and MVP and Shelton Benjamin all had chances at the championship but I guess Vince couldn't see them winning. And I'm about as tired of Cena as everyone else. Been tired actually. But I guess I'm just tired of "sports entertainment" in general.

just a few weeks ago, mark henry was in contention 4 the belt oops no let's slide randy orton, shemus and not mark henry in the mix. how long did booker t keep the title when he won 4 the 6 time 6 time 6 time! championship? r truth has got it right that there is a conspiracy and he's not dellusional either

bboy87 said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

I tried to watch and get into the PPV earlier tonight, but I just couldn't get into it. I saw most of the first tag team match, but I couldn't even make it past Big Poppa Pump's ring intro. I don't know what it is, but there's something about TNA that's just so generic and boring. The whole Bischoff and Hogan thing is SO old, it's ridiculous, and how many teams are they going to bring Jarrett and Angle together because of the whole divorce thing?

Their only interesting characters are former WWE employees, but when they get there, there's really no more growth. I always hate when they try to break up the Dudleys like they've done and WWE did before too. They should ALWAYS remain a team.

The only good thing in wrestling right now is the emergence of R-Truth!! He has been INCREDIBLE since turning heel a couple of months ago. It's a shame that they're going to let Cena win yet again at the next PPV and keep the championship and not give it to Truth. I would love to see what his reign would be like. But unfortunately for him, he's too black; something Vince won't stand for.

I think that's where we disagree. I although I feel Truth is becoming a great heel, I don't believe he should be the champion, especially not now. There's not enough build for him to even be in the running. They rushed him into this program because JoMo got injured. I also don't feel he could be "The Man" of the company, like Cena or Rock, or HBK, or Undertaker were. That isn't my only problem with him. I could be okay with him playing the "crazy" "THIS IS A CONSPIRACY" part, but the "crazy AND ignorant" part? I cringed last week when he walked out in the Confederate outfit and then we they asked him to spell a word, he set black wrestlers back with that shit. Even Virgil would've been saying "The fuck are you doing?!" I do think he'll end up being the champion in the next year or two. Hell, they've put the belt on more undeserving people. Remember The Great Khali?

If we talked about black wrestlers being champion, Kofi should've been the champion yesterday. He had a great program with Orton then he went back to the midcard. Dude stays stealing the show with his Money In The Bank appearances. I also think Ezekiel Jackson could hold the spot too, along with my dog Mark Henry, who's earned his chance to run with the belt.

Some are saying that Capital Punishment may be the least bought WWE PPV since 2006

i fear big zeke will get the same treatment bobby lashley got

L4OATheOriginal said:

Timmy84 said:

That's my one pet peeve about WWE... Never sat well with me at all. R-Truth and MVP and Shelton Benjamin all had chances at the championship but I guess Vince couldn't see them winning. And I'm about as tired of Cena as everyone else. Been tired actually. But I guess I'm just tired of "sports entertainment" in general.

just a few weeks ago, mark henry was in contention 4 the belt oops no let's slide randy orton, shemus and not mark henry in the mix. how long did booker t keep the title when he won 4 the 6 time 6 time 6 time! championship? r truth has got it right that there is a conspiracy and he's not dellusional either

Not surprising.

Ew... after looking at WWE Capital Punishment, it's NOT getting my money. FUCK THAT!

bboy87 said:

Paris9748430 said:

I'm a little sick of the "you won't be champion if you have bad mic skills" thing. The WWE has put the belt on plenty of guys who either can't talk, can't wrestler, or can't do either.

Great Khali for one.

Jeff Hardy was never great on the mic.

Randy Orton hasn't had an interesting promo in years.

Batista was boring as shit until he turned heel.

The WWE was behind these guys and was heavily invested in their success despite their shortcomings. If you're creative enough, you can hide a person's shortcomings and accentuate their positives as Paul Heyman would say.

The WWE didn't push Shelton because they didn't want to push Shelton.

Listening to an interview with Low-Ki who went by Kaval in the WWE, they pretty much didn't have any plans for him. Even though he was going out there and having the best matches. He was over with the fans. Hell, he even made LayCool interesting. But, the WWE wasn't behind him. So, they released him right before Christmas.

I agree with you, I was just stating why many feel some guys don't make it, although I do feel it plays a part sometimes. I think Vince's fascination with looks is a factor too

I thought I was the only one who thought Kaval being with Laycool was interesting. They could've made a really good angle with him being with them

Thinking of Layla, it's crazy how Cody Rhodes got with Beth Phoenix and now, he's with Layla!

[Edited 6/12/11 23:00pm]

shit i wouldn't kick beth out of my bed and didn't cody go with mickie james too?

oh god don't get me started on how WEAK ass the divas division is on WWE or how they under use the true female wrestlers there. i love the knock out division on tna cause they got the ring skills mostly.

and one last thing (i think), is it me or is RVD just tired on TNA?

bboy87 said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

WAY ahead of the WWE Divas. The so-called Divas usually only serve as eye candy, save for a couple of them.

I really wish TNA had better success, as they have all the tools and ingredients to do it. I can't stand the WWE not having any real competition and therefore giving us whatever shit they please. They do it because they think the general wrestling fan has nowhere else to go. That's gotta change! They only "step it up" when they feel threatened.

TNA got some fine Knockouts too, but they're actually wrestlers although Angelina Love REALLY needs to get some ProActive

Kelly Kelly was literally a swimsuit model and because of how she looked, the creative team offered her a contract

angelina love is all boob job and nothing else..at least sky has the boobs and the pigeons ..make them clap ..make them clap

Timmy84 said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

just a few weeks ago, mark henry was in contention 4 the belt oops no let's slide randy orton, shemus and not mark henry in the mix. how long did booker t keep the title when he won 4 the 6 time 6 time 6 time! championship? r truth has got it right that there is a conspiracy and he's not dellusional either

Not surprising.

someone i know once said that the WWE creative team treats the audience like we the viewers don't remember things. michael cole is now preaching 4 christian and why he feels cheated out of his championship, when it happend cole was calling christian a cry baby lol

L4OATheOriginal said:

Timmy84 said:

Not surprising.

someone i know once said that the WWE creative team treats the audience like we the viewers don't remember things. michael cole is now preaching 4 christian and why he feels cheated out of his championship, when it happend cole was calling christian a cry baby lol

Ugh, I still don't get Michael's presence at all. He does nothing as a host (good or bad). He's just a wuss.

L4OATheOriginal said:

shit i wouldn't kick beth out of my bed and didn't cody go with mickie james too?

Man, Beth Phoenix could get it from me all day long!!!! There's something about her body that's HOT!!! And her face is cute, too. Winning combo. Add the great titties, and you've got the perfect trifecta!

But, she's dating CM Punk now. How much Diva pussy has Punk run through, man?? Save some for the rest of mankind, please!

Timmy84 said:

Ew... after looking at WWE Capital Punishment, it's NOT getting my money. FUCK THAT!

They NEVER get my money for PPVs. I always stream it online. You should too.

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Timmy84 said:

Ew... after looking at WWE Capital Punishment, it's NOT getting my money. FUCK THAT!

They NEVER get my money for PPVs. I always stream it online. You should too.

Not even the main ones? I usually decide now to skip the little ones and see the main ones. Then again, they're just as boring.

Timmy84 said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

They NEVER get my money for PPVs. I always stream it online. You should too.

Not even the main ones? I usually decide now to skip the little ones and see the main ones. Then again, they're just as boring.

Never. Not in a million years. Sorry, I'm just not gonna pay $40 or $50 for ANY barely 3-hour TV show, especially if it's wrestling. Hell, even if it was $20. Not gonna do it. Stream, my friend. Stream.

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Timmy84 said:

Not even the main ones? I usually decide now to skip the little ones and see the main ones. Then again, they're just as boring.

Never. Not in a million years. Sorry, I'm just not gonna pay $40 or $50 for ANY barely 3-hour TV show, especially if it's wrestling. Hell, even if it was $20. Not gonna do it. Stream, my friend. Stream.

I feel ya.

I usually watch WWE from January thru Wrestlemania...pay for the Rumble and WM, and thats it.

I didnt do that this year and dont see myself doing it next year.

Rumored core WM card for next year:

Title Match--Rock vs. Cena

Title Match--Del Rio vs. Orton

HHH vs. The Miz

Undertaker vs. Jericho

Sin Cara vs. Misterio

No thanks.

L4OATheOriginal said:

bboy87 said:

I think that's where we disagree. I although I feel Truth is becoming a great heel, I don't believe he should be the champion, especially not now. There's not enough build for him to even be in the running. They rushed him into this program because JoMo got injured. I also don't feel he could be "The Man" of the company, like Cena or Rock, or HBK, or Undertaker were. That isn't my only problem with him. I could be okay with him playing the "crazy" "THIS IS A CONSPIRACY" part, but the "crazy AND ignorant" part? I cringed last week when he walked out in the Confederate outfit and then we they asked him to spell a word, he set black wrestlers back with that shit. Even Virgil would've been saying "The fuck are you doing?!" I do think he'll end up being the champion in the next year or two. Hell, they've put the belt on more undeserving people. Remember The Great Khali?

If we talked about black wrestlers being champion, Kofi should've been the champion yesterday. He had a great program with Orton then he went back to the midcard. Dude stays stealing the show with his Money In The Bank appearances. I also think Ezekiel Jackson could hold the spot too, along with my dog Mark Henry, who's earned his chance to run with the belt.

Some are saying that Capital Punishment may be the least bought WWE PPV since 2006

i fear big zeke will get the same treatment bobby lashley got

Lashley's screwup was his fault imo. He left because his fiance (now wife) got fired, so he quit in protest

alexnvrmnd777 said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

shit i wouldn't kick beth out of my bed and didn't cody go with mickie james too?

Man, Beth Phoenix could get it from me all day long!!!! There's something about her body that's HOT!!! And her face is cute, too. Winning combo. Add the great titties, and you've got the perfect trifecta!

But, she's dating CM Punk now. How much Diva pussy has Punk run through, man?? Save some for the rest of mankind, please!

damn something about punks body says 2 me that she's the one dominating him lol

but i guess the credo is they are both in the business and it's "safer" 2 date within ur own