THAT was a good Raw

They still should've "fired" Cena though

and vince mcmahon after a slam dunk of porpotions at money in the bank drives down the court he has no defenders ..the basket is open and ..OMG HE DROPS THE BALL OUT OF BOUNDS!!

tho we knew cena wouldn't be fired depsie the crowd yelling for cm punk! NO HE FUMBLED!!

so let's set up a tournment match for the vacant title ...let's throw in MR MONEY IN BANK ALBERTO DEL RIO!! u know he's not gonna win why? cause then what good is having the money in the bank for then?

so let's give it 2 r truth...NO HE'S BLACK!!

give a shot 2 the miz and rey ..yeah that's the ticket vince!!

but wait ..why is triple h there? OH NO THE BOARD HAS NO FONFIDENCE IN VINCE TRIPLE H IS NOW IN CHARGE!!

see vince what happens when u bounce the ball out of bounds?

Raw started off shaky till the last segment. I wish they had capitalize more from the PPV (bring out punk but anything is possible now since HHH is in charge hoping next week) but I enjoyed the Cena , Vince and HHH segment.

bboy87 said:

THAT was a good Raw

They still should've "fired" Cena though

Not really he just need to transform I still want to see him face The Rock They Should focus on CREATING NEW STARS that’s what they should do. WWE problem is bigger than Cena being the main guy.

L4OATheOriginal said:

and vince mcmahon after a slam dunk of porpotions at money in the bank drives down the court he has no defenders ..the basket is open and ..OMG HE DROPS THE BALL OUT OF BOUNDS!!

tho we knew cena wouldn't be fired depsie the crowd yelling for cm punk! NO HE FUMBLED!!

so let's set up a tournment match for the vacant title ...let's throw in MR MONEY IN BANK ALBERTO DEL RIO!! u know he's not gonna win why? cause then what good is having the money in the bank for then?

so let's give it 2 r truth...NO HE'S BLACK!!

give a shot 2 the miz and rey ..yeah that's the ticket vince!!

but wait ..why is triple h there? OH NO THE BOARD HAS NO FONFIDENCE IN VINCE TRIPLE H IS NOW IN CHARGE!!

see vince what happens when u bounce the ball out of bounds?

And Vince continues to be a suck-ass, punk ass bitch.

babybugz said:

bboy87 said:

THAT was a good Raw

They still should've "fired" Cena though

Not really he just need to transform I still want to see him face The Rock They Should focus on CREATING NEW STARS that’s what they should do. WWE problem is bigger than Cena being the main guy.

I gotta disagree. Cena is getting to the point where people are absolutely tired of seeing him and doing the same old thing every week. He's the Beyonce of WWE

They should've "fired" him and kept him off of TV until Summerslam or the night after

I think we all know Punk is gonna show up at SS I WISH I was going to be in LA in August because I'd definitely go...... checks if tickets are still available

bboy87 said:

babybugz said:

Not really he just need to transform I still want to see him face The Rock They Should focus on CREATING NEW STARS that’s what they should do. WWE problem is bigger than Cena being the main guy.

I gotta disagree. Cena is getting to the point where people are absolutely tired of seeing him and doing the same old thing every week. He's the Beyonce of WWE

They should've "fired" him and kept him off of TV until Summerslam or the night after

I think we all know Punk is gonna show up at SS I WISH I was going to be in LA in August because I'd definitely go...... checks if tickets are still available

Fuck John Cena. They gonna try to set it up where Cena gets it back and shit. WWF still "oh they'll get over it and accept Cena". It's like politics. No one is gonna fall for the bullshit and it's clear everyone hates his guts.

bboy87 said:

babybugz said:

Not really he just need to transform I still want to see him face The Rock They Should focus on CREATING NEW STARS that’s what they should do. WWE problem is bigger than Cena being the main guy.

I gotta disagree. Cena is getting to the point where people are absolutely tired of seeing him and doing the same old thing every week. He's the Beyonce of WWE

They should've "fired" him and kept him off of TV until Summerslam or the night after

I think we all know Punk is gonna show up at SS I WISH I was going to be in LA in August because I'd definitely go...... checks if tickets are still available

Might as well get rid of Orton too. They the two cashcows you think them getting rid of him is going to help that much he equal money cena needs a lesser role. WWE like I said need to create new stars plain and simple. Apparently not everyone wanted him fire just judging by the crowd. I understand Cena is tired and I really wish they did stop whoring him out but really what difference is it going to make WWE has been stale for a good while now. They really need to let R-Truth get that title they keep messing up with that. And please I haven’t been to a WWE event since 2006 I used to be one of their groupies smh lol I hope WWE start to turn around after tonight.

babybugz said:

bboy87 said:

I gotta disagree. Cena is getting to the point where people are absolutely tired of seeing him and doing the same old thing every week. He's the Beyonce of WWE

They should've "fired" him and kept him off of TV until Summerslam or the night after

I think we all know Punk is gonna show up at SS I WISH I was going to be in LA in August because I'd definitely go...... checks if tickets are still available

Might as well get rid of Orton too. They the two cashcows you think them getting rid of him is going to help that much he equal money cena needs a lesser role. WWE like I said need to create new stars plain and simple. Apparently not everyone wanted him fire just judging by the crowd. I understand Cena is tired and I really wish they did stop whoring him out but really what difference is it going to make WWE has been stale for a good while now. They really need to let R-Truth get that title they keep messing up with that. And please I haven’t been to a WWE event since 2006 I used to be one of their groupies smh lol I hope WWE start to turn around after tonight.

For real. I can understand some people being tired of Cena but please get serious. Whether

you like Cena or not he is the straw that stirs the drink in the WWE right now with Orton

being a close second. You ain't gonna fire Cena. Yes the WWE desperately needs to develop

some new stars. They need to develop some talent with balls and a personality like some

of the cats in Impact like Samoa Joe,Beer Money, Matt Morgan, etc. I actually think Impact

has the better talent from top to bottom excluding the relic WCW stars. It would be nice

to see RTruth get a legitimate shot at the title but come on Vince doesn't want that crazy

looking fucker to be the face of the WWE.

Why the fuck are these idiots screaming for CM Punk when CM Punk doesn't give

a shit about them and continues to insult them? Only in the weird world of the

WWE universe.

[Edited 7/18/11 21:15pm]

babybugz said:

bboy87 said:

I gotta disagree. Cena is getting to the point where people are absolutely tired of seeing him and doing the same old thing every week. He's the Beyonce of WWE

They should've "fired" him and kept him off of TV until Summerslam or the night after

I think we all know Punk is gonna show up at SS I WISH I was going to be in LA in August because I'd definitely go...... checks if tickets are still available

Might as well get rid of Orton too. They the two cashcows you think them getting rid of him is going to help that much he equal money cena needs a lesser role. WWE like I said need to create new stars plain and simple. Apparently not everyone wanted him fire just judging by the crowd. I understand Cena is tired and I really wish they did stop whoring him out but really what difference is it going to make WWE has been stale for a good while now. They really need to let R-Truth get that title they keep messing up with that. And please I haven’t been to a WWE event since 2006 I used to be one of their groupies smh lol I hope WWE start to turn around after tonight.

I just think it would be better to take him off TV for a couple of weeks so people can anticipate his in ring return, plus he has some injuries

phunkdaddy said:

babybugz said:

Might as well get rid of Orton too. They the two cashcows you think them getting rid of him is going to help that much he equal money cena needs a lesser role. WWE like I said need to create new stars plain and simple. Apparently not everyone wanted him fire just judging by the crowd. I understand Cena is tired and I really wish they did stop whoring him out but really what difference is it going to make WWE has been stale for a good while now. They really need to let R-Truth get that title they keep messing up with that. And please I haven’t been to a WWE event since 2006 I used to be one of their groupies smh lol I hope WWE start to turn around after tonight.

For real. I can understand some people being tired of Cena but please get serious. Whether

you like Cena or not he is the straw that stirs the drink in the WWE right now with Orton

being a close second. You ain't gonna fire Cena. Yes the WWE desperately needs to develop

some new stars. They need to develop some talent with balls and a personality like some

of the cats in Impact like Samoa Joe,Beer Money, Matt Morgan, etc. I actually think Impact

has the better talent from top to bottom excluding the relic WCW stars. It would be nice

to see RTruth get a legitimate shot at the title but come on Vince doesn't want that crazy

looking fucker to be the face of the WWE.

Why the fuck are these idiots screaming for CM Punk when CM Punk doesn't give

a shit about them and continues to insult them? Only in the weird world of the

WWE universe.

[Edited 7/18/11 21:15pm]

TNA definitely does have better talent, but they're just not utilizing them to their best potential

bboy87 said:

phunkdaddy said:

For real. I can understand some people being tired of Cena but please get serious. Whether

you like Cena or not he is the straw that stirs the drink in the WWE right now with Orton

being a close second. You ain't gonna fire Cena. Yes the WWE desperately needs to develop

some new stars. They need to develop some talent with balls and a personality like some

of the cats in Impact like Samoa Joe,Beer Money, Matt Morgan, etc. I actually think Impact

has the better talent from top to bottom excluding the relic WCW stars. It would be nice

to see RTruth get a legitimate shot at the title but come on Vince doesn't want that crazy

looking fucker to be the face of the WWE.

Why the fuck are these idiots screaming for CM Punk when CM Punk doesn't give

a shit about them and continues to insult them? Only in the weird world of the

WWE universe.

[Edited 7/18/11 21:15pm]

TNA definitely does have better talent, but they're just not utilizing them to their best potential

TNA definitely ain't getting their game up. Shame.

TNA talent is really fresh and good their stars are edgy it looked like at one point TNA was in the running then fell flat on their face what a shame. I know they have WCW talent there but do their show have to be so obvious that it is very wcwish

bboy87 said:

phunkdaddy said:

For real. I can understand some people being tired of Cena but please get serious. Whether

you like Cena or not he is the straw that stirs the drink in the WWE right now with Orton

being a close second. You ain't gonna fire Cena. Yes the WWE desperately needs to develop

some new stars. They need to develop some talent with balls and a personality like some

of the cats in Impact like Samoa Joe,Beer Money, Matt Morgan, etc. I actually think Impact

has the better talent from top to bottom excluding the relic WCW stars. It would be nice

to see RTruth get a legitimate shot at the title but come on Vince doesn't want that crazy

looking fucker to be the face of the WWE.

Why the fuck are these idiots screaming for CM Punk when CM Punk doesn't give

a shit about them and continues to insult them? Only in the weird world of the

WWE universe.

[Edited 7/18/11 21:15pm]

TNA definitely does have better talent, but they're just not utilizing them to their best potential

how can they when they spend 1/2 of their program filming those stupid backstage segments? and they are only on once a week. that's why vince doesn't take them seriously. and cena was FOOLING himself when he said he could go elsewhere BRUTHA and expect the TNA audience 2 like his tired routine

L4OATheOriginal said:

bboy87 said:

TNA definitely does have better talent, but they're just not utilizing them to their best potential

how can they when they spend 1/2 of their program filming those stupid backstage segments? and they are only on once a week. that's why vince doesn't take them seriously. and cena was FOOLING himself when he said he could go elsewhere BRUTHA and expect the TNA audience 2 like his tired routine

I HATE THOSE TOO! They're really pointless

All right, people!! I agree with pretty much all of you when you say that Raw was a COMPLETE let down from the PPV where they damn near did everything right!! I shouldn't be surprised, though, because it's typical WWE.

Why not have Truth in the finals? He was the last one to challenge for the title and NEVER got a rematch. Oh yeah, I forgot. Thanks for reminding me, L4OA. He's BLACK, and he for damn sure doesn't want him being the face of the company. Rey, who's already been champion, is possibly needed to be champ so they can keep bringing in that Latino crowd/money. The Miz, I don't really have too much of a problem with. I like him. Why they even had a spot for ADR when he can challenge for the title at any time, I'll never know. What, he was going to be the champ AND have a chance to beat himself at any time?? He beats himself off every day, so that wouldn't work.

So, the board decides to oust Vince early on Monday morning and told Triple H to let him know, and he waits until 11:00 pm to come out and tell him on TV in front of the whole world?? Suuuure. Cuz that's how ALL big business is run. And I sure hope Trips isn't on TV every damn week, or even every other week. Let his ass stay BEHIND the camera. His first bit of business should be to fire than dumbass anonymous GM...or at least out him.

And of course I'm like all of you. The whole Cena thing is a damn joke. Punk even told Cena last week that his being "fired" is a joke. They even had a chance to turn him heel and really shake things up even more. But, they can't ruin that golden egg, now can they? Heel Cena won't sell as many T-shirts and shit as SuperCena, so they'll continue to poison the product until they're left with a .5 rating. Hell, The Rock and Austin turned heel way before this, and they were waaaaaaay more over than Cena's EVER been, and that was in the Attitude Era when it was way harder to impress than in this Mickey Mouse age they're stuffing down everyone's throats!

I'm done with my rant...

alexnvrmnd777 said:

All right, people!! I agree with pretty much all of you when you say that Raw was a COMPLETE let down from the PPV where they damn near did everything right!! I shouldn't be surprised, though, because it's typical WWE.

Why not have Truth in the finals? He was the last one to challenge for the title and NEVER got a rematch. Oh yeah, I forgot. Thanks for reminding me, L4OA. He's BLACK, and he for damn sure doesn't want him being the face of the company. Rey, who's already been champion, is possibly needed to be champ so they can keep bringing in that Latino crowd/money. The Miz, I don't really have too much of a problem with. I like him. Why they even had a spot for ADR when he can challenge for the title at any time, I'll never know. What, he was going to be the champ AND have a chance to beat himself at any time?? He beats himself off every day, so that wouldn't work.

So, the board decides to oust Vince early on Monday morning and told Triple H to let him know, and he waits until 11:00 pm to come out and tell him on TV in front of the whole world?? Suuuure. Cuz that's how ALL big business is run. And I sure hope Trips isn't on TV every damn week, or even every other week. Let his ass stay BEHIND the camera. His first bit of business should be to fire than dumbass anonymous GM...or at least out him.

And of course I'm like all of you. The whole Cena thing is a damn joke. Punk even told Cena last week that his being "fired" is a joke. They even had a chance to turn him heel and really shake things up even more. But, they can't ruin that golden egg, now can they? Heel Cena won't sell as many T-shirts and shit as SuperCena, so they'll continue to poison the product until they're left with a .5 rating. Hell, The Rock and Austin turned heel way before this, and they were waaaaaaay more over than Cena's EVER been, and that was in the Attitude Era when it was way harder to impress than in this Mickey Mouse age they're stuffing down everyone's throats!

I'm done with my rant...

they could even have r truth win the belt but u know he won't keep it long. ADR would cash it in right away. so even the people they had competing 4 a heavyweight championship just proves they have no one that is really worthy. could u imagine kofi as the champ? no.

and where is shane? oh because trips is banging the princess he gets a higher promotion than shane i get it

L4OATheOriginal said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

All right, people!! I agree with pretty much all of you when you say that Raw was a COMPLETE let down from the PPV where they damn near did everything right!! I shouldn't be surprised, though, because it's typical WWE.

Why not have Truth in the finals? He was the last one to challenge for the title and NEVER got a rematch. Oh yeah, I forgot. Thanks for reminding me, L4OA. He's BLACK, and he for damn sure doesn't want him being the face of the company. Rey, who's already been champion, is possibly needed to be champ so they can keep bringing in that Latino crowd/money. The Miz, I don't really have too much of a problem with. I like him. Why they even had a spot for ADR when he can challenge for the title at any time, I'll never know. What, he was going to be the champ AND have a chance to beat himself at any time?? He beats himself off every day, so that wouldn't work.

So, the board decides to oust Vince early on Monday morning and told Triple H to let him know, and he waits until 11:00 pm to come out and tell him on TV in front of the whole world?? Suuuure. Cuz that's how ALL big business is run. And I sure hope Trips isn't on TV every damn week, or even every other week. Let his ass stay BEHIND the camera. His first bit of business should be to fire than dumbass anonymous GM...or at least out him.

And of course I'm like all of you. The whole Cena thing is a damn joke. Punk even told Cena last week that his being "fired" is a joke. They even had a chance to turn him heel and really shake things up even more. But, they can't ruin that golden egg, now can they? Heel Cena won't sell as many T-shirts and shit as SuperCena, so they'll continue to poison the product until they're left with a .5 rating. Hell, The Rock and Austin turned heel way before this, and they were waaaaaaay more over than Cena's EVER been, and that was in the Attitude Era when it was way harder to impress than in this Mickey Mouse age they're stuffing down everyone's throats!

I'm done with my rant...

they could even have r truth win the belt but u know he won't keep it long. ADR would cash it in right away. so even the people they had competing 4 a heavyweight championship just proves they have no one that is really worthy. could u imagine kofi as the champ? no.

and where is shane? oh because trips is banging the princess he gets a higher promotion than shane i get it

Actually, Shane McMahon legit left the company back in 2009. I read somewhere that that put a slight strain on Vince and his relationship, but right now he's the exec VP of some Chinese company or something. I don't really remember, and I don't feel like looking it up right now.

Re-watching the Rey/Truth match, Truth actually deserved that win. He is damn good in that ring, and his new gimmick is killer. Unfortunately, the closest we'll get to a black champion will be The Rock, and even he's close to losing not-so-subtle the Paperbag Test. Oooops, did I say that out loud? Lol!

Has anyone heard the story that the executive Vice President of Talent Relations, John Laurinaitis, actually made a writer on WWE.com change a story because the writer called him a "stooge". It was in regards to the Punk/Cena match at MITB. He felt disrespected by that. So much so that the writer posted an apology on the website. Look at this shit:

http://www.wwe.com/inside...is-apology

Apology to WWE Executive Vice President John Laurinaitis

By: Craig Tello July 18, 2011

Tags: Money in the Bank 2011

As a senior WWE.com writer, I would like to publicly apologize to Executive Vice President John Laurinaitis and WWE for my use of disparaging terminology in WWE.com’s article covering the events of last night’s Money in the Bank WWE Championship Match. (FULL STORY)

The term I used was inappropriate for an executive at WWE, Inc. I greatly respect Mr. Laurinaitis and his efforts within the WWE organization.

What a pompous ass to make them apologize for something that they were saying was a part of a storyline. He didn't call him a fag or anything else derogatory. He ought to be lucky his ass still has a job, considering he hasn't done jack squat as far as getting GOOD new talent into the company. I think the biggest thing he signed was CM Punk, but that was it! He couldn't even get him to re-sign (at least right away). LOL! Now, Jim Ross was DA MAN when he was in that position. He's responsible for bringing almost all of the Attitude guys in (even those in the early 2000s), and you can even sort of see the drop off from when he was in that position to Laurinaitis having it.

Talk about taking yourself waaaay too seriously.

alexnvrmnd777 said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

they could even have r truth win the belt but u know he won't keep it long. ADR would cash it in right away. so even the people they had competing 4 a heavyweight championship just proves they have no one that is really worthy. could u imagine kofi as the champ? no.

and where is shane? oh because trips is banging the princess he gets a higher promotion than shane i get it

Actually, Shane McMahon legit left the company back in 2009. I read somewhere that that put a slight strain on Vince and his relationship, but right now he's the exec VP of some Chinese company or something. I don't really remember, and I don't feel like looking it up right now.

Re-watching the Rey/Truth match, Truth actually deserved that win. He is damn good in that ring, and his new gimmick is killer. Unfortunately, the closest we'll get to a black champion will be The Rock, and even he's close to losing not-so-subtle the Paperbag Test. Oooops, did I say that out loud? Lol!

thanks 4 the background on shane

and yes truth should have won but their line of thinking is heel vs heel with a additional heel in waiting with the mitb wont' be good.

Some more Chavo Guerrero tweets. Ever since he left WWE, he's got diarrhea of the mouth, and if he was really that concerned with the business, he should've spoken up with his complaints/criticisms while he was STILL employed!

His Twitter Rant About John Cena: “He hasn’t contacted me since I made those comments. People ask me why did you call him directly? And I did. Many of us did. I called him lazy on twitter. Don’t get me wrong. He works hard. In the gym. But he always has the exact same comeback. I just remember watching him and saying this isn’t the way we (myself and Eddie) taught you. And we keep seeing him doing the same shoulder tackle, hip-toss 5-Knuckle-Shuffle.”

His WWE Release: “It was really a longtime coming. I went into the creative offices (after putting over Yoshi Tatsu on Superstars) and asked who’s the better wrestler. They said me. I then asked how many countries speak Spanish. And then I asked who have you invested 10 years of television time into. They said me again. And I said they have no legs to stand on. I’ve always been about business but that’s when I said I’m not doing this anymore.”

His Career After Eddie’s Passing: “I always thought the WWE really dropped the ball after Eddie passed. I always thought the WWE didn’t really want to cash in on Eddie’s death. But I remember wrestling Triple H and the fans really went crazy for it. But they went with Rey for WrestleMania 22. And I went into Vince’s office and told him that could be me. The fans could really get behind me. And instead that went into me turning heel and having a great program with Rey”

Who He Still Wants To Wrestle: “I would love to work with AJ Styles. We always used to call him ‘AJ Steals’ because we thought he was always stealing our moves. But I knew him since he was just a kid breaking into the business. But I would also like to work with Kurt Angle again and to see him again. But in the WWE, I guess a heel Randy Orton would be good to work against.”

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Some more Chavo Guerrero tweets. Ever since he left WWE, he's got diarrhea of the mouth, and if he was really that concerned with the business, he should've spoken up with his complaints/criticisms while he was STILL employed!

His Twitter Rant About John Cena: “He hasn’t contacted me since I made those comments. People ask me why did you call him directly? And I did. Many of us did. I called him lazy on twitter. Don’t get me wrong. He works hard. In the gym. But he always has the exact same comeback. I just remember watching him and saying this isn’t the way we (myself and Eddie) taught you. And we keep seeing him doing the same shoulder tackle, hip-toss 5-Knuckle-Shuffle.”

His WWE Release: “It was really a longtime coming. I went into the creative offices (after putting over Yoshi Tatsu on Superstars) and asked who’s the better wrestler. They said me. I then asked how many countries speak Spanish. And then I asked who have you invested 10 years of television time into. They said me again. And I said they have no legs to stand on. I’ve always been about business but that’s when I said I’m not doing this anymore.”

His Career After Eddie’s Passing: “I always thought the WWE really dropped the ball after Eddie passed. I always thought the WWE didn’t really want to cash in on Eddie’s death. But I remember wrestling Triple H and the fans really went crazy for it. But they went with Rey for WrestleMania 22. And I went into Vince’s office and told him that could be me. The fans could really get behind me. And instead that went into me turning heel and having a great program with Rey”

Who He Still Wants To Wrestle: “I would love to work with AJ Styles. We always used to call him ‘AJ Steals’ because we thought he was always stealing our moves. But I knew him since he was just a kid breaking into the business. But I would also like to work with Kurt Angle again and to see him again. But in the WWE, I guess a heel Randy Orton would be good to work against.”

I agree.

alexnvrmnd777 said:

All right, people!! I agree with pretty much all of you when you say that Raw was a COMPLETE let down from the PPV where they damn near did everything right!! I shouldn't be surprised, though, because it's typical WWE.

Why not have Truth in the finals? He was the last one to challenge for the title and NEVER got a rematch. Oh yeah, I forgot. Thanks for reminding me, L4OA. He's BLACK, and he for damn sure doesn't want him being the face of the company. Rey, who's already been champion, is possibly needed to be champ so they can keep bringing in that Latino crowd/money. The Miz, I don't really have too much of a problem with. I like him. Why they even had a spot for ADR when he can challenge for the title at any time, I'll never know. What, he was going to be the champ AND have a chance to beat himself at any time?? He beats himself off every day, so that wouldn't work.

So, the board decides to oust Vince early on Monday morning and told Triple H to let him know, and he waits until 11:00 pm to come out and tell him on TV in front of the whole world?? Suuuure. Cuz that's how ALL big business is run. And I sure hope Trips isn't on TV every damn week, or even every other week. Let his ass stay BEHIND the camera. His first bit of business should be to fire than dumbass anonymous GM...or at least out him.

And of course I'm like all of you. The whole Cena thing is a damn joke. Punk even told Cena last week that his being "fired" is a joke. They even had a chance to turn him heel and really shake things up even more. But, they can't ruin that golden egg, now can they? Heel Cena won't sell as many T-shirts and shit as SuperCena, so they'll continue to poison the product until they're left with a .5 rating. Hell, The Rock and Austin turned heel way before this, and they were waaaaaaay more over than Cena's EVER been, and that was in the Attitude Era when it was way harder to impress than in this Mickey Mouse age they're stuffing down everyone's throats!

I'm done with my rant...

Since you brought Triple H up, it reminded me of when the Helmsley-McMahon thing was going on in 1999-2000 when He and Stephanie took over the company, and how tired I got of HHH soon after because he was ALL OVER THE SHOW. Not just Raw, but on Smackdown. It made step back and start watching WCW more, and that's how I'm feeling with Cena. It feels the same, but at least with the HHH-Stephanie, they weren't as predictable

Also, I was watching ECW's November To Remember PPV from '95, and WOW, these old school ECW PPVs are the truth. These guys were fighting in front of maybe 2,000 people tops and they put their hearts and souls into the matches and the fans really appreciated it

bboy87 said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

All right, people!! I agree with pretty much all of you when you say that Raw was a COMPLETE let down from the PPV where they damn near did everything right!! I shouldn't be surprised, though, because it's typical WWE.

Why not have Truth in the finals? He was the last one to challenge for the title and NEVER got a rematch. Oh yeah, I forgot. Thanks for reminding me, L4OA. He's BLACK, and he for damn sure doesn't want him being the face of the company. Rey, who's already been champion, is possibly needed to be champ so they can keep bringing in that Latino crowd/money. The Miz, I don't really have too much of a problem with. I like him. Why they even had a spot for ADR when he can challenge for the title at any time, I'll never know. What, he was going to be the champ AND have a chance to beat himself at any time?? He beats himself off every day, so that wouldn't work.

So, the board decides to oust Vince early on Monday morning and told Triple H to let him know, and he waits until 11:00 pm to come out and tell him on TV in front of the whole world?? Suuuure. Cuz that's how ALL big business is run. And I sure hope Trips isn't on TV every damn week, or even every other week. Let his ass stay BEHIND the camera. His first bit of business should be to fire than dumbass anonymous GM...or at least out him.

And of course I'm like all of you. The whole Cena thing is a damn joke. Punk even told Cena last week that his being "fired" is a joke. They even had a chance to turn him heel and really shake things up even more. But, they can't ruin that golden egg, now can they? Heel Cena won't sell as many T-shirts and shit as SuperCena, so they'll continue to poison the product until they're left with a .5 rating. Hell, The Rock and Austin turned heel way before this, and they were waaaaaaay more over than Cena's EVER been, and that was in the Attitude Era when it was way harder to impress than in this Mickey Mouse age they're stuffing down everyone's throats!

I'm done with my rant...

Since you brought Triple H up, it reminded me of when the Helmsley-McMahon thing was going on in 1999-2000 when He and Stephanie took over the company, and how tired I got of HHH soon after because he was ALL OVER THE SHOW. Not just Raw, but on Smackdown. It made step back and start watching WCW more, and that's how I'm feeling with Cena. It feels the same, but at least with the HHH-Stephanie, they weren't as predictable

Also, I was watching ECW's November To Remember PPV from '95, and WOW, these old school ECW PPVs are the truth. These guys were fighting in front of maybe 2,000 people tops and they put their hearts and souls into the matches and the fans really appreciated it

Cena's definitely a reason why the WWF has fallen off.

bboy87 said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

All right, people!! I agree with pretty much all of you when you say that Raw was a COMPLETE let down from the PPV where they damn near did everything right!! I shouldn't be surprised, though, because it's typical WWE.

Why not have Truth in the finals? He was the last one to challenge for the title and NEVER got a rematch. Oh yeah, I forgot. Thanks for reminding me, L4OA. He's BLACK, and he for damn sure doesn't want him being the face of the company. Rey, who's already been champion, is possibly needed to be champ so they can keep bringing in that Latino crowd/money. The Miz, I don't really have too much of a problem with. I like him. Why they even had a spot for ADR when he can challenge for the title at any time, I'll never know. What, he was going to be the champ AND have a chance to beat himself at any time?? He beats himself off every day, so that wouldn't work.

So, the board decides to oust Vince early on Monday morning and told Triple H to let him know, and he waits until 11:00 pm to come out and tell him on TV in front of the whole world?? Suuuure. Cuz that's how ALL big business is run. And I sure hope Trips isn't on TV every damn week, or even every other week. Let his ass stay BEHIND the camera. His first bit of business should be to fire than dumbass anonymous GM...or at least out him.

And of course I'm like all of you. The whole Cena thing is a damn joke. Punk even told Cena last week that his being "fired" is a joke. They even had a chance to turn him heel and really shake things up even more. But, they can't ruin that golden egg, now can they? Heel Cena won't sell as many T-shirts and shit as SuperCena, so they'll continue to poison the product until they're left with a .5 rating. Hell, The Rock and Austin turned heel way before this, and they were waaaaaaay more over than Cena's EVER been, and that was in the Attitude Era when it was way harder to impress than in this Mickey Mouse age they're stuffing down everyone's throats!

I'm done with my rant...

Since you brought Triple H up, it reminded me of when the Helmsley-McMahon thing was going on in 1999-2000 when He and Stephanie took over the company, and how tired I got of HHH soon after because he was ALL OVER THE SHOW. Not just Raw, but on Smackdown. It made step back and start watching WCW more, and that's how I'm feeling with Cena. It feels the same, but at least with the HHH-Stephanie, they weren't as predictable

Also, I was watching ECW's November To Remember PPV from '95, and WOW, these old school ECW PPVs are the truth. These guys were fighting in front of maybe 2,000 people tops and they put their hearts and souls into the matches and the fans really appreciated it

Oh, I've BEEN there with Cena for a long time now. But hey, at least he's not all over both shows like Trips was back during that time. I did get hella tired of them, though. Not only was he a part of every damn thing, but he apparently put some NASA-designed super glue on the title belt because he NEVER let that damn thing go.

Those old ECW PPVs were tha shit!! The hot crowds were always what made things better, too. Like at MITB on Sunday, as cool as the results of show was, it wouldn't have been as memorable or emotional if the crowd wasn't as hot and frenzied as they were.

I saw Raw got a 3.22 rating, up from last week's 2.91. I thought for sure the rating would be higher than that, coming off a PPV that was universally praised and had such a hot angle. Maybe it's the start of a steady ratings increase, or maybe it's just a temporary bump. All I know is is that they were pulling 5.0-6.0 ratings back in the day, and that was when they had direct competition airing at the same exact date and time.

alexnvrmnd777 said:

bboy87 said:

Since you brought Triple H up, it reminded me of when the Helmsley-McMahon thing was going on in 1999-2000 when He and Stephanie took over the company, and how tired I got of HHH soon after because he was ALL OVER THE SHOW. Not just Raw, but on Smackdown. It made step back and start watching WCW more, and that's how I'm feeling with Cena. It feels the same, but at least with the HHH-Stephanie, they weren't as predictable

Also, I was watching ECW's November To Remember PPV from '95, and WOW, these old school ECW PPVs are the truth. These guys were fighting in front of maybe 2,000 people tops and they put their hearts and souls into the matches and the fans really appreciated it

Oh, I've BEEN there with Cena for a long time now. But hey, at least he's not all over both shows like Trips was back during that time. I did get hella tired of them, though. Not only was he a part of every damn thing, but he apparently put some NASA-designed super glue on the title belt because he NEVER let that damn thing go.

Those old ECW PPVs were tha shit!! The hot crowds were always what made things better, too. Like at MITB on Sunday, as cool as the results of show was, it wouldn't have been as memorable or emotional if the crowd wasn't as hot and frenzied as they were.

I saw Raw got a 3.22 rating, up from last week's 2.91. I thought for sure the rating would be higher than that, coming off a PPV that was universally praised and had such a hot angle. Maybe it's the start of a steady ratings increase, or maybe it's just a temporary bump. All I know is is that they were pulling 5.0-6.0 ratings back in the day, and that was when they had direct competition airing at the same exact date and time.

The bumps they were taking were unbelievable. Konnan (who was in WCW also at the time and was on loan to ECW) hit a powerbomb that looked like he broke the opponent's neck.

SMACKDOWN SPOILERS - Air date (07/22)

Big pop for Booker T, heat for Michael Cole, and nice applause for Josh Mathews. Tony Chimel set up the closing minutes of Christian beating Randy Orton at Money in the Bank on the big screen.

Randy Orton sat in the ring and mentioned the Vince McMahon and Triple H change and the lack of a WWE Champion. He called out Christian, who stood on the stage and said spitting on Orton was an accident. Funny. Orton demanded his rematch. Teddy Long reminded him he's booked against Kane. Orton went after Christian and attacked him on the stage. Long booked Christian vs. Zeke. So much for Cody's advertised IC Title match.

1. Christian beat Ezekiel Jackson in a non-title match. Chistian got the clean pin with the Killswitch. This did not feel special despite both men being champions, but the match was fine.

Michael Cole interviewed MITB winner Daniel Bryan, and said his win was just a fluke. Bryan said Cole's opinion means nothing. Cole said Bryan will take the easy way out and cash in when the champion is down. Bryan said he earned it. He announced that he is cashing in the MITB at WrestleMania 28. He said he was the first to announce this, but Mr. Kennedy actually made the same announcement once.

2. Daniel Bryan beat Heath Slater. Much longer than expected. Bryan won with the LeBell Lock.

Matt Striker interviewed Mark Henry backstage. Henry had no remorse for hurting Big Show.

3. Sheamus fought Wade Barrett to a double count out. Not much crowd reaction for Barrett, but Sheamus got a babyface pop. Sheamus left Barrett lying with a Brogue Kick for a pop.

A Cody Rhodes video was shown.

Kane cut a promo on the big screen. He's still the Devil's favorite demon.

4. Randy Orton vs. Kane in street fight. There were chants for both men. The guy behind me let us all know Kane's real name. The announce table appeared to tip over accidentally during a brawl on the floor. Orton held his right thigh on and off from that point on. Kane went for a choke, but took an RKO. Kane surprised everyone by kicking out. Randy went for the punt, but Kane chokeslammed him for a good near fall.

Kane hit Orton with several chair shots. Orton avoided a Tombstone and chokeslam, and RKO'd Kane for the win. Good match. They shook hands afterward. Mark Henry came out after Orton left and roughed up Kane. Henry wrapped a chair around Kane's leg and came down on it off the ropes. The announcers were long gone by this point, but the cameras were still rolling.

Christian cut a promo before the dark main event. Orton's music cut him off.

1. Christian beat Randy Orton in the dark match. Cody Rhodes and Ted DiBiase interfered. Orton hit RKO's afterward.

Christian keeps the title for at least a week!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Winning!!!!!

alexnvrmnd777 said:

SMACKDOWN SPOILERS - Air date (07/22)

Big pop for Booker T, heat for Michael Cole, and nice applause for Josh Mathews. Tony Chimel set up the closing minutes of Christian beating Randy Orton at Money in the Bank on the big screen.

Randy Orton sat in the ring and mentioned the Vince McMahon and Triple H change and the lack of a WWE Champion. He called out Christian, who stood on the stage and said spitting on Orton was an accident. Funny. Orton demanded his rematch. Teddy Long reminded him he's booked against Kane. Orton went after Christian and attacked him on the stage. Long booked Christian vs. Zeke. So much for Cody's advertised IC Title match.

1. Christian beat Ezekiel Jackson in a non-title match. Chistian got the clean pin with the Killswitch. This did not feel special despite both men being champions, but the match was fine.

Michael Cole interviewed MITB winner Daniel Bryan, and said his win was just a fluke. Bryan said Cole's opinion means nothing. Cole said Bryan will take the easy way out and cash in when the champion is down. Bryan said he earned it. He announced that he is cashing in the MITB at WrestleMania 28. He said he was the first to announce this, but Mr. Kennedy actually made the same announcement once.

2. Daniel Bryan beat Heath Slater. Much longer than expected. Bryan won with the LeBell Lock.

Matt Striker interviewed Mark Henry backstage. Henry had no remorse for hurting Big Show.

3. Sheamus fought Wade Barrett to a double count out. Not much crowd reaction for Barrett, but Sheamus got a babyface pop. Sheamus left Barrett lying with a Brogue Kick for a pop.

A Cody Rhodes video was shown.

Kane cut a promo on the big screen. He's still the Devil's favorite demon.

4. Randy Orton vs. Kane in street fight. There were chants for both men. The guy behind me let us all know Kane's real name. The announce table appeared to tip over accidentally during a brawl on the floor. Orton held his right thigh on and off from that point on. Kane went for a choke, but took an RKO. Kane surprised everyone by kicking out. Randy went for the punt, but Kane chokeslammed him for a good near fall.

Kane hit Orton with several chair shots. Orton avoided a Tombstone and chokeslam, and RKO'd Kane for the win. Good match. They shook hands afterward. Mark Henry came out after Orton left and roughed up Kane. Henry wrapped a chair around Kane's leg and came down on it off the ropes. The announcers were long gone by this point, but the cameras were still rolling.

Christian cut a promo before the dark main event. Orton's music cut him off.

1. Christian beat Randy Orton in the dark match. Cody Rhodes and Ted DiBiase interfered. Orton hit RKO's afterward.

Christian keeps the title for at least a week!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Winning!!!!!

hehehehehee

oh btw wouldn't it be funny if TNA picked up on that thing that cena said and said on air ..WE DONT WANT U BRUTHA!! lol

L4OATheOriginal said:

oh btw wouldn't it be funny if TNA picked up on that thing that cena said and said on air ..WE DONT WANT U BRUTHA!! lol

Lol!! Yeah, that would be funny! Even though they'd be lying through their teeth! They could say, "Ain't nobody running up on THIS show, brutha!!" It's like that match Cena had vs. RVD at One Night Stand 2006 when he was throwing his shirt into the crowd and people kept throwing it back. TNA'd throw his ass back like that T-shirt! Lol!

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alexnvrmnd777 said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

oh btw wouldn't it be funny if TNA picked up on that thing that cena said and said on air ..WE DONT WANT U BRUTHA!! lol

Lol!! Yeah, that would be funny! Even though they'd be lying through their teeth! They could say, "Ain't nobody running up on THIS show, brutha!!" It's like that match Cena had vs. RVD at One Night Stand 2006 when he was throwing his shirt into the crowd and people kept being throwing it back. TNA'd throw his ass back like that T-shirt! Lol!

I know right? He really is the most hated wrestler right now.