alexnvrmnd777 said:

Okay, who just saw the best 20 minutes of Raw in about a fuckin' decade??!?!!!!!!

If they don't turn Cena heel off of this shit, they'll NEVER do it!!! Punk had Cena's own hometown booin' his ass!!! Lol!! Classic shit!!!

[Edited 7/11/11 20:18pm]

To be frank, people have been booing Cena forever.

Mark Madden's thoughts on CM Punk and the future...

WWE should sign Punk to a contract extension, then have him win the championship at MITB and “leave with it.” Defend it on a few independent shows, even. Have an “unemployed” Cena chase him down, beat Punk on an indy show, then use possession of the championship to extort re-employment by McMahon. Punk returns in pursuit of the belt. There is precedent, albeit on a lesser level: I saw Eddy Guerrero defend the Intercontinental belt on an indy show while he was serving a suspension from WWE.

Bottom line: WWE needs to re-sign Punk. But I sense that Punk needs a break from the WWE mentality. WWE may need a break from Punk, too. Given the inevitability of a Punk sabbatical, there’s only one finish.

Punk will return someday. WWE is the major league of wrestling. Punk is a major-leaguer.

HEY, WHAT IF…

Colt Cabana, Punk’s long-time friend and ROH crony, says he will be at Money in the Bank.

What if McMahon hired Cabana and, during his first night back in WWE, Cabana somehow screwed Punk? That would be SO McMahon, scripting an angle where a guy got F’d by his real-life buddy, somebody Punk had lobbied for during his recent epic promo. “You wanted Cabana hired, Punk? Fine, he’s hired. BUT YOU’RE FIRED!”

Which would make me believe Punk mentioning Cabana during his “shoot” promo was always part of the plan. Nothing is an accident.

I’d love to see Cabana get another shot at the big time. Only this time, let him be Colt Cabana. As is, he’s better than half WWE’s roster.
---------------------------------------------

Either of the bolded parts work for me. And yes...Cabana has already said he will be at the PPV Sunday.

Timmy84 said:

StonedImmaculate said:

Montreal Screwjob in a nutshell

Bret Hart won the WWF title from the Undertaker at Summerslam 97. Soon after Vince realized he could not afford to pay Bret the outlandish 20 year contract he had recently signed (this was prior to the Attitude Era...WWF was struggling). Vince allowed Bret to talk to other organizations (WCW) if he wanted to leave. Bret makes a deal with WCW and is on his way out...but he's still WWF champ.

Vince tells Bret to drop the title to Shawn Michaels at Survivor Series 97 in Montreal. Bret refuses due to legit heat between him and Michaels. Claiming his contract gave him "creative control" over his character for his last 30 days in the company, Bret agreed to drop the title to the Undertaker, Steve Austin...ANYONE but HBK. Vince reluctantly agrees and the plan was for Bret to beat Michaels in Montreal by DQ, then drop the title on RAW the next night.

During the match, HBK puts Bret in the sharpshooter. Bret was supposed to reverse it leading to HHH's interference and the planned DQ. Instead, as soon as Shawn puts Bret in the sharpshooter, Vince (at ringside) signals the ref to stop the match. Ref calls for the bell and Shawn Michaels "wins" the WWF title by "submission". It was painfully obvious to anyone watching that something was wrong...Bret lost his mind and spit a MASSIVE loogey straight in Vince's face before destroying everything in sight...announce tables, monitors, etc. Shawn Michaels acted as if he had no idea what was going to go down and had to be told by Vince to take the belt and go...he did, and acted so pissed about it.

Anyhoo...Vince got major heat for it. It could have been disastrous for the WWF, but it actually saved their company. Vince used the legit heat being thrown at him and created "Mr. McMahon", the evil CEO we all know and love. The rest is history.

I still remembered the episode. Shawn didn't look too pleased to just "walk away" with the title. He looked as upset as Bret over what Vince had done. Seeing Bret do that was real sad. That definitely wasn't scripted. That was how he felt. That's why he went nuts the way he did.

Please!! HBK deserves an Oscar for that performance! Lol! Of course he didn't look pleased. He was trying to act like he knew nothing about what was going on and was just so ashamed to be a part of such a travesty, knowing all along he's lyin' his ass off.

Timmy84 said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Okay, who just saw the best 20 minutes of Raw in about a fuckin' decade??!?!!!!!!

If they don't turn Cena heel off of this shit, they'll NEVER do it!!! Punk had Cena's own hometown booin' his ass!!! Lol!! Classic shit!!!

[Edited 7/11/11 20:18pm]

To be frank, people have been booing Cena forever.

Oh yeah, that's true. But this is his hometown, so you'd expect more cheers than jeers. If they can't get the majority of a crowd to cheer him in his own backyard, where else can they make it happen? The UK? lol

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Timmy84 said:

To be frank, people have been booing Cena forever.

Oh yeah, that's true. But this is his hometown, so you'd expect more cheers than jeers. If they can't get the majority of a crowd to cheer him in his own backyard, where else can they make it happen? The UK? lol

I recall seeing a PPV where Cena was at his hometown and I actually remember hearing more boos than cheers that night so I don't think it's alarming. Cena's the good guy almost everyone hates.

L4OATheOriginal said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Who knew that the term "NY Yankees" is the new "muthafucka"?

well i guess i'm a muthafucka then cause i'm a yankee fan and a yankee beat 2 boston red fucks in the home run derby last night!! lol

but i was also watching raw last night and the minute cena's music hit during that contract signing i wished right then and there someone would beat the shit out of him!! tired of cena's back and forth rants about caring about the fans then goes back 2 his PC speeches. when cena first hit the scene and had a match with kurt angle, i felt he had some good wrestling skills then came the THUG mentality gimmick and he hasn't been the same. so what CM punk was saying last night, oops i mean PHIL lol, was still true because he has WRESTLING skills not cena.

and on a side note, something we have discussed a few pages back, did they not make TRUTH the most stupid person on the planet when he discussed his phobia? damn either african american talent is protayed as either beasts or the dumbest fuckers on the earth. SMH

Lol! I know, right. As much as I'm LOVING almost everything Truth's doing with his character, I also had a "smh" moment last night when he supposedly couldn't the fear terminology right. He can't spell "conspiracy", either, and it's like, "Laugh at the dumb nucca who can't read or spell." It almost has that air about it. I try to just look past it and just simple enjoy the entertainment aspect of it, but this is in the same vein as almost ALL of Vince's black characters. I'm surprised that Kofi Kingston wasn't originally made into some gun-totin' Jamaican or African!

And about Cena, every time I hear the very first note of his damn music, I instantly roll my eyes. It's like an involuntary reflex; some Pavlovian response. Because I know he's going to say something stupid and basically be sold like a million bucks. Now, when he first started and was bustin' muthafuckas with raps and being the "doctor of thuganomics", I thought his ass was funny and liked him. But now, his ass is too corny even for Disney. At least he didn't completely fuck up that ending promo, but his presence was highly unnecessary. If anything, they really could've used the opportunity to turn him heel and they still can.

They can align him with Vince at MITB and bust a scathing promo on the Chicago crowd and CM Punk and say he is indeed not that "underdog" because he's the best in the business and no one deserves to be in the ring with him, least of all Punk. They can go so many different, fruitful ways with this that it absolutely SUCKS to know they'll do nothing cool and different (with Cena, at least).

The WWE has always stereotypically demean its black wrestlers. The only one who seemed to get out of that bubble was The Rock because he never appear to look thuggish or dumb.

Timmy84 said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Oh yeah, that's true. But this is his hometown, so you'd expect more cheers than jeers. If they can't get the majority of a crowd to cheer him in his own backyard, where else can they make it happen? The UK? lol

I recall seeing a PPV where Cena was at his hometown and I actually remember hearing more boos than cheers that night so I don't think it's alarming. Cena's the good guy almost everyone hates.

Gotcha!!

Hey, do you remember the One Night Stand PPV in 2006 where he was facing RVD for the title at the Ballroom? Now, THAT'S the type of environment I want to see in Chicago on Sunday. I wanna see people so hating him that they throw his shit back at him after coming to the ring. I actually thought it was going to be pandemonium when they started brawling out there in the crowd, but the crowd was relatively well-behaved!

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Timmy84 said:

I recall seeing a PPV where Cena was at his hometown and I actually remember hearing more boos than cheers that night so I don't think it's alarming. Cena's the good guy almost everyone hates.

Gotcha!!

Hey, do you remember the One Night Stand PPV in 2006 where he was facing RVD for the title at the Ballroom? Now, THAT'S the type of environment I want to see in Chicago on Sunday. I wanna see people so hating him that they throw his shit back at him after coming to the ring. I actually thought it was going to be pandemonium when they started brawling out there in the crowd, but the crowd was relatively well-behaved!

Every time Cena went into the crowd, I was always awaiting someone to hit him but no one did. I wonder if a PPV event happens in Philly that if he does that, then the "City of Brotherly Love" wouldn't be so brotherly. Since, you know, I heard Philly got some mean mugging folks waiting for a brawl sometimes.

alexnvrmnd777 said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

well i guess i'm a muthafucka then cause i'm a yankee fan and a yankee beat 2 boston red fucks in the home run derby last night!! lol

but i was also watching raw last night and the minute cena's music hit during that contract signing i wished right then and there someone would beat the shit out of him!! tired of cena's back and forth rants about caring about the fans then goes back 2 his PC speeches. when cena first hit the scene and had a match with kurt angle, i felt he had some good wrestling skills then came the THUG mentality gimmick and he hasn't been the same. so what CM punk was saying last night, oops i mean PHIL lol, was still true because he has WRESTLING skills not cena.

and on a side note, something we have discussed a few pages back, did they not make TRUTH the most stupid person on the planet when he discussed his phobia? damn either african american talent is protayed as either beasts or the dumbest fuckers on the earth. SMH

Lol! I know, right. As much as I'm LOVING almost everything Truth's doing with his character, I also had a "smh" moment last night when he supposedly couldn't the fear terminology right. He can't spell "conspiracy", either, and it's like, "Laugh at the dumb nucca who can't read or spell." It almost has that air about it. I try to just look past it and just simple enjoy the entertainment aspect of it, but this is in the same vein as almost ALL of Vince's black characters. I'm surprised that Kofi Kingston wasn't originally made into some gun-totin' Jamaican or African!

And about Cena, every time I hear the very first note of his damn music, I instantly roll my eyes. It's like an involuntary reflex; some Pavlovian response. Because I know he's going to say something stupid and basically be sold like a million bucks. Now, when he first started and was bustin' muthafuckas with raps and being the "doctor of thuganomics", I thought his ass was funny and liked him. But now, his ass is too corny even for Disney. At least he didn't completely fuck up that ending promo, but his presence was highly unnecessary. If anything, they really could've used the opportunity to turn him heel and they still can.

They can align him with Vince at MITB and bust a scathing promo on the Chicago crowd and CM Punk and say he is indeed not that "underdog" because he's the best in the business and no one deserves to be in the ring with him, least of all Punk. They can go so many different, fruitful ways with this that it absolutely SUCKS to know they'll do nothing cool and different (with Cena, at least).

kofi has no mic presence tho ..oh wait who really does? lol

and yeah once i heard cena's music too i was rolling my eyes

L4OATheOriginal said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Who knew that the term "NY Yankees" is the new "muthafucka"?

well i guess i'm a muthafucka then cause i'm a yankee fan and a yankee beat 2 boston red fucks in the home run derby last night!! lol

but i was also watching raw last night and the minute cena's music hit during that contract signing i wished right then and there someone would beat the shit out of him!! tired of cena's back and forth rants about caring about the fans then goes back 2 his PC speeches. when cena first hit the scene and had a match with kurt angle, i felt he had some good wrestling skills then came the THUG mentality gimmick and he hasn't been the same. so what CM punk was saying last night, oops i mean PHIL lol, was still true because he has WRESTLING skills not cena.

and on a side note, something we have discussed a few pages back, did they not make TRUTH the most stupid person on the planet when he discussed his phobia? damn either african american talent is protayed as either beasts or the dumbest fuckers on the earth. SMH

Did you miss the 70's 80's era with Ernie Ladd, Rufus R. Jones, Pistol Pez Watley, Rocky

King(oh lawd he was the worst. He made R.Truth look like a Rhodes Scholar).

phunkdaddy said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

well i guess i'm a muthafucka then cause i'm a yankee fan and a yankee beat 2 boston red fucks in the home run derby last night!! lol

but i was also watching raw last night and the minute cena's music hit during that contract signing i wished right then and there someone would beat the shit out of him!! tired of cena's back and forth rants about caring about the fans then goes back 2 his PC speeches. when cena first hit the scene and had a match with kurt angle, i felt he had some good wrestling skills then came the THUG mentality gimmick and he hasn't been the same. so what CM punk was saying last night, oops i mean PHIL lol, was still true because he has WRESTLING skills not cena.

and on a side note, something we have discussed a few pages back, did they not make TRUTH the most stupid person on the planet when he discussed his phobia? damn either african american talent is protayed as either beasts or the dumbest fuckers on the earth. SMH

Did you miss the 70's 80's era with Ernie Ladd, Rufus R. Jones, Pistol Pez Watley, Rocky

King(oh lawd he was the worst. He made R.Truth look like a Rhodes Scholar).

yeah i did i only recall very breifly junk yard dog i wasn't into wrestling then

alexnvrmnd777 said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

well i guess i'm a muthafucka then cause i'm a yankee fan and a yankee beat 2 boston red fucks in the home run derby last night!! lol

but i was also watching raw last night and the minute cena's music hit during that contract signing i wished right then and there someone would beat the shit out of him!! tired of cena's back and forth rants about caring about the fans then goes back 2 his PC speeches. when cena first hit the scene and had a match with kurt angle, i felt he had some good wrestling skills then came the THUG mentality gimmick and he hasn't been the same. so what CM punk was saying last night, oops i mean PHIL lol, was still true because he has WRESTLING skills not cena.

and on a side note, something we have discussed a few pages back, did they not make TRUTH the most stupid person on the planet when he discussed his phobia? damn either african american talent is protayed as either beasts or the dumbest fuckers on the earth. SMH

Lol! I know, right. As much as I'm LOVING almost everything Truth's doing with his character, I also had a "smh" moment last night when he supposedly couldn't the fear terminology right. He can't spell "conspiracy", either, and it's like, "Laugh at the dumb nucca who can't read or spell." It almost has that air about it. I try to just look past it and just simple enjoy the entertainment aspect of it, but this is in the same vein as almost ALL of Vince's black characters. I'm surprised that Kofi Kingston wasn't originally made into some gun-totin' Jamaican or African!

And about Cena, every time I hear the very first note of his damn music, I instantly roll my eyes. It's like an involuntary reflex; some Pavlovian response. Because I know he's going to say something stupid and basically be sold like a million bucks. Now, when he first started and was bustin' muthafuckas with raps and being the "doctor of thuganomics", I thought his ass was funny and liked him. But now, his ass is too corny even for Disney. At least he didn't completely fuck up that ending promo, but his presence was highly unnecessary. If anything, they really could've used the opportunity to turn him heel and they still can.

They can align him with Vince at MITB and bust a scathing promo on the Chicago crowd and CM Punk and say he is indeed not that "underdog" because he's the best in the business and no one deserves to be in the ring with him, least of all Punk. They can go so many different, fruitful ways with this that it absolutely SUCKS to know they'll do nothing cool and different (with Cena, at least).

Well, if you remember, when Kofi first came, he was the "happy fun loving Jamaican" then it was found out he was really from Africa and grew up in Florida

His fake accent went away and he started using his real voice

L4OATheOriginal said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Lol! I know, right. As much as I'm LOVING almost everything Truth's doing with his character, I also had a "smh" moment last night when he supposedly couldn't the fear terminology right. He can't spell "conspiracy", either, and it's like, "Laugh at the dumb nucca who can't read or spell." It almost has that air about it. I try to just look past it and just simple enjoy the entertainment aspect of it, but this is in the same vein as almost ALL of Vince's black characters. I'm surprised that Kofi Kingston wasn't originally made into some gun-totin' Jamaican or African!

And about Cena, every time I hear the very first note of his damn music, I instantly roll my eyes. It's like an involuntary reflex; some Pavlovian response. Because I know he's going to say something stupid and basically be sold like a million bucks. Now, when he first started and was bustin' muthafuckas with raps and being the "doctor of thuganomics", I thought his ass was funny and liked him. But now, his ass is too corny even for Disney. At least he didn't completely fuck up that ending promo, but his presence was highly unnecessary. If anything, they really could've used the opportunity to turn him heel and they still can.

They can align him with Vince at MITB and bust a scathing promo on the Chicago crowd and CM Punk and say he is indeed not that "underdog" because he's the best in the business and no one deserves to be in the ring with him, least of all Punk. They can go so many different, fruitful ways with this that it absolutely SUCKS to know they'll do nothing cool and different (with Cena, at least).

kofi has no mic presence tho ..oh wait who really does? lol

and yeah once i heard cena's music too i was rolling my eyes

I did the same thing. As soon as that music hit, I thought "here we go again"

Punk and Vince were doing just fine. Punk went out and there and mocked Vince with the jet and ice cream bars (if you look, you can tell Vince was having a bit of fun with it, you can see it in his face) and then Super Saiyan Cena comes out and almost ruined it with the mock "may i have this, may i have that" crap he did. Then Punk took it back and brought it home

bboy87 said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

kofi has no mic presence tho ..oh wait who really does? lol

and yeah once i heard cena's music too i was rolling my eyes

I did the same thing. As soon as that music hit, I thought "here we go again"

Punk and Vince were doing just fine. Punk went out and there and mocked Vince with the jet and ice cream bars (if you look, you can tell Vince was having a bit of fun with it, you can see it in his face) and then Super Saiyan Cena comes out and almost ruined it with the mock "may i have this, may i have that" crap he did. Then Punk took it back and brought it home

Can I just say this?

Fuck John Cena.

Timmy84 said:

bboy87 said:

I did the same thing. As soon as that music hit, I thought "here we go again"

Punk and Vince were doing just fine. Punk went out and there and mocked Vince with the jet and ice cream bars (if you look, you can tell Vince was having a bit of fun with it, you can see it in his face) and then Super Saiyan Cena comes out and almost ruined it with the mock "may i have this, may i have that" crap he did. Then Punk took it back and brought it home

Can I just say this?

Fuck John Cena.

Can YOU say it?? How about can we all say it together and extremely loud...FUCK JOHN CENA!!!

There. Sigh...don't get me wrong. I'm only talking about his character, before someone comes in here and says, "You don't even know the man! How could you 'hate' somebody you don't truly know? You know it's all fake, right?...." Yeah, he does Make A Wish stuff and loves the little kids and shows up to work every day (um, aren't we ALL supposed to do that??; besides, if I made the amount of money he's making with merchandise and salary and other sources, I'd be showin' up too; we ALL would), and God knows what else, but his character has been made into just this almost Christ-like figure that will inherently ALWAYS wind and come out on top and a constant do-gooder.

The public can only stand but so much of someone being forced down our throats before we start throwing up huge chunks. And we've been tossin' our cookies for AT LEAST 1-2 years.

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Timmy84 said:

Can I just say this?

Fuck John Cena.

Can YOU say it?? How about can we all say it together and extremely loud...FUCK JOHN CENA!!!

There. Sigh...don't get me wrong. I'm only talking about his character, before someone comes in here and says, "You don't even know the man! How could you 'hate' somebody you don't truly know? You know it's all fake, right?...." Yeah, he does Make A Wish stuff and loves the little kids and shows up to work every day (um, aren't we ALL supposed to do that??; besides, if I made the amount of money he's making with merchandise and salary and other sources, I'd be showin' up too; we ALL would), and God knows what else, but his character has been made into just this almost Christ-like figure that will inherently ALWAYS wind and come out on top and a constant do-gooder.

The public can only stand but so much of someone being forced down our throats before we start throwing up huge chunks. And we've been tossin' our cookies for AT LEAST 1-2 years.

That's my thing too. His character is just ugh.

phunkdaddy said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

well i guess i'm a muthafucka then cause i'm a yankee fan and a yankee beat 2 boston red fucks in the home run derby last night!! lol

but i was also watching raw last night and the minute cena's music hit during that contract signing i wished right then and there someone would beat the shit out of him!! tired of cena's back and forth rants about caring about the fans then goes back 2 his PC speeches. when cena first hit the scene and had a match with kurt angle, i felt he had some good wrestling skills then came the THUG mentality gimmick and he hasn't been the same. so what CM punk was saying last night, oops i mean PHIL lol, was still true because he has WRESTLING skills not cena.

and on a side note, something we have discussed a few pages back, did they not make TRUTH the most stupid person on the planet when he discussed his phobia? damn either african american talent is protayed as either beasts or the dumbest fuckers on the earth. SMH

Did you miss the 70's 80's era with Ernie Ladd, Rufus R. Jones, Pistol Pez Watley, Rocky

King(oh lawd he was the worst. He made R.Truth look like a Rhodes Scholar).

Thunderbolt Patterson was and still is THE worst American-Engish speaking black wrestler ever! You couldn't pay this MFer to speak properly at all. Terrible!

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Timmy84 said:

Can I just say this?

Fuck John Cena.

Can YOU say it?? How about can we all say it together and extremely loud...FUCK JOHN CENA!!!

There. Sigh...don't get me wrong. I'm only talking about his character, before someone comes in here and says, "You don't even know the man! How could you 'hate' somebody you don't truly know? You know it's all fake, right?...." Yeah, he does Make A Wish stuff and loves the little kids and shows up to work every day (um, aren't we ALL supposed to do that??; besides, if I made the amount of money he's making with merchandise and salary and other sources, I'd be showin' up too; we ALL would), and God knows what else, but his character has been made into just this almost Christ-like figure that will inherently ALWAYS wind and come out on top and a constant do-gooder.

The public can only stand but so much of someone being forced down our throats before we start throwing up huge chunks. And we've been tossin' our cookies for AT LEAST 1-2 years.

[img:$uid]http://bilalashraf.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/hulk_hogan09.jpg[/img:$uid]

It's like looking into a mirror

bboy87 said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Can YOU say it?? How about can we all say it together and extremely loud...FUCK JOHN CENA!!!

There. Sigh...don't get me wrong. I'm only talking about his character, before someone comes in here and says, "You don't even know the man! How could you 'hate' somebody you don't truly know? You know it's all fake, right?...." Yeah, he does Make A Wish stuff and loves the little kids and shows up to work every day (um, aren't we ALL supposed to do that??; besides, if I made the amount of money he's making with merchandise and salary and other sources, I'd be showin' up too; we ALL would), and God knows what else, but his character has been made into just this almost Christ-like figure that will inherently ALWAYS wind and come out on top and a constant do-gooder.

The public can only stand but so much of someone being forced down our throats before we start throwing up huge chunks. And we've been tossin' our cookies for AT LEAST 1-2 years.

[img:$uid]http://bilalashraf.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/hulk_hogan09.jpg[/img:$uid]

It's like looking into a mirror

Except, I think Cena probably looks out for the business a bit more than Hogan ever did. It's all about Cena (and Orton) because Vince says so and wants it to be. Hogan, on the other hand, thought he was the be all to end all of professional wrestling. And probably still does!

TonyVanDam said:

phunkdaddy said:

Did you miss the 70's 80's era with Ernie Ladd, Rufus R. Jones, Pistol Pez Watley, Rocky

King(oh lawd he was the worst. He made R.Truth look like a Rhodes Scholar).

Thunderbolt Patterson was and still is THE worst American-Engish speaking black wrestler ever! You couldn't pay this MFer to speak properly at all. Terrible!

TP definitely isn't as bad as some others. Not the best, but I couldn't say he was worse than Truth.

Listen to him here (he starts talking at 0:25):

bboy87 said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

kofi has no mic presence tho ..oh wait who really does? lol

and yeah once i heard cena's music too i was rolling my eyes

I did the same thing. As soon as that music hit, I thought "here we go again"

Punk and Vince were doing just fine. Punk went out and there and mocked Vince with the jet and ice cream bars (if you look, you can tell Vince was having a bit of fun with it, you can see it in his face) and then Super Saiyan Cena comes out and almost ruined it with the mock "may i have this, may i have that" crap he did. Then Punk took it back and brought it home

WE WANT ICE CREAM! SEE THAT VINCE I JUST MADE U A MILLION DOLLARS IN ICE CREAM SALES

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Timmy84 said:

Can I just say this?

Fuck John Cena.

Can YOU say it?? How about can we all say it together and extremely loud...FUCK JOHN CENA!!!

There. Sigh...don't get me wrong. I'm only talking about his character, before someone comes in here and says, "You don't even know the man! How could you 'hate' somebody you don't truly know? You know it's all fake, right?...." Yeah, he does Make A Wish stuff and loves the little kids and shows up to work every day (um, aren't we ALL supposed to do that??; besides, if I made the amount of money he's making with merchandise and salary and other sources, I'd be showin' up too; we ALL would), and God knows what else, but his character has been made into just this almost Christ-like figure that will inherently ALWAYS wind and come out on top and a constant do-gooder.

The public can only stand but so much of someone being forced down our throats before we start throwing up huge chunks. And we've been tossin' our cookies for AT LEAST 1-2 years.

i agree with what ur saying tho at times yeah i wish that cena had the belt but it also depends on who's he's going up against. the main problem is that they act like no one else can have the belt but cena. the only one they have that can possibly hold it right now is del rio but even that would be a possible disaster. if truth had the title that would only last shorter than christian's reign.

The Rock FINALLY responds to John Cena:

"You graduate from a private high school, then all of a sudden you go hardcore thuganomics???...The men see through the bullshit!" Way too many good quotes to mention, but he completely owns Cena here! I'm lovin' it!

This shit is hilarious!!! Sounds like he's showing up at an event at MSG, right? I'm looking at the WWE schedule to see when that would be....

Okay, I just looked it up. They're gonna be at MSG for Survivor Series, so that makes sense since that's one of the four "main" PPVs of the year!!

[Edited 7/13/11 15:22pm]

Lame response, Cena. Real lame.

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Lame response, Cena. Real lame.

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By Ryan Clark | July 13, 2011 | Comments (82)

John Cena has responded to The Rock's video that we posted earlier today:

"CeNation. Just saw Dwayne's statement. Via satellite of course. Sad, really. It was like an episode of mad money.

"I wonder if GLAAD will be offended by Dwayne's comments.

"Either way..looks like I have really made him mad. But, certainly not mad enough to show up and do anything. Maybe he can send a stuntman.

"Dwayne. I am a WWE employee, and a proud one. The difference between us is you left for 'greener pastures'. For me...this is what I love.

"I have never begged for anyones admiration or acceptance, u don't believe me..watch MITB. Its not about that. Its about showing up.

"Id rather wrestle a thousand 'punks' than one 'rock'. Because I can see his passion. Wish I could see yours...yer just never there.

"Until april 1st. Keep on bringing it my man. You're doing great. Your friend John Cena"

What kind of response was that?

alexnvrmnd777 said:

The Rock FINALLY responds to John Cena:

"You graduate from a private high school, then all of a sudden you go hardcore thuganomics???...The men see through the bullshit!" Way too many good quotes to mention, but he completely owns Cena here! I'm lovin' it!

This shit is hilarious!!! Sounds like he's showing up at an event at MSG, right? I'm looking at the WWE schedule to see when that would be....

Okay, I just looked it up. They're gonna be at MSG for Survivor Series, so that makes sense since that's one of the four "main" PPVs of the year!!

[Edited 7/13/11 15:22pm]

OMG u look like a tranvestite wonder woman!! omg i laughed out so hard on that one!! and when the rock started nameing all those from the attitude era paving the way, he's right! when u think of the wrestlers in the WWE of the past say 10 years, how many great names can anyone name in that time bracket? it's still been the big show's, the undertaker's, the triple H's that still bring the fire 2 the PPV as opposed 2 the lackluster "superstars" that we've gotten. sure there is rey mysterio and now sin cara, possibly daniel bryan that can put on a good match, but folks like cena, jack swagger, cody ross? bullshit!

rock did put it straight as the ladies like cena and orton for thier build not their wrestling talent. true men see through that bullshit!

just as much as the "diva's" of the WWE can see they are just eye candy unlike the true eye candy and WRESTLERS that the TNA knockouts deliver.

damn rock u killed it there!

WWE: Analyzing John Cena in the Aftermath of CM Punk's Historic Promo

By Michael Cahill (Featured Columnist) on June 30, 2011

WWE and John Cena's babyface persona is all about money and merchandise

CM Punk's stirring and much-discussed promo on this week's Monday Night RAW has served to do two things to the WWE universe in its wake.

First, it’s stirred the controversy of whether or not CM Punk was given permission to slam the company, as well as its top performers, the way he did. The chances are that there was a rough sketch of what he was to say, but where he filled in the gaps may have been the night’s most tantalizing moments.

The second thing that his words did was drive the wedge further between John Cena and the Internet Wrestling Community that has become a bigger, more prominent part of the WWE audience.

It’s long been known that Cena and the WWE faithful, those over 13 years old, haven’t gotten along. He’s slammed mercilessly on message boards and his gimmick continues to garner him more boos than cheers in arenas all over the county. To some extent Cena is to blame for his troubles. It’s true, whether you love John Cena or not, that his gimmick has been stale for quite some time.

He’s a modern day Hulk Hogan. He’s virtually impervious to top heels in the company. In matches, like his “I Quit” match against the Miz, Cena will often take a beating, but then sell out his own performance for the sake of his Cena-like comeback. He plays vulnerability as poorly as Hogan used to and his “5 Moves of Doom” are much fodder for those who spend countless hours hating him.

However, Cena’s gimmick, as well as his continued push to stay the top face in the company isn’t so much Cena’s problem as it is a problem with the culture of wrestling. The problem is money. Plainly put, Cena brings in money.

This money first attitude is nothing new. Since promotions were regional and business was done on a handshake, everything has been about selling tickets. If you could pack the house, you got paid. The belt has never been anything more than a prop to sell tickets. It’s the thing that we want our hero to have, and the thing we know the villain is going to take away.

John Cena sells tickets. CM Punk said, in his now famous rant, that Cena, like The Rock and Hogan before him, was a world-class suck up. While that might be true, it doesn’t change the fact that Cena has long possessed certain intangibles that make him a great draw. His looks, combined with his mic skills, have put him ahead of others.

Take WrestleMania 28, for instance. Having The Rock there automatically increases the buy-rates. When he was on top there was a palpable buzz whenever he was present. Cena, who appears to many to have lost that effect, still generates more revenue than anyone else on the WWE roster. It’s a fact that’s not lost on McMahon.

If you can believe it the boos that hit John Cena every time he’s introduced are further proof that his gimmick is working. The goal, when it comes to selling tickets, is to get a reaction out of people. Cena gets a reaction from every single person. Polarizing figures such as Cena are helpful, not harmful, to the bottom line of the brand. Guys that get buried at the bottom of the roster are guys who get no reaction at all. It’s the reason why Kelly Kelly and Melina don’t headline pay-per-views.

The biggest gripe from the cyber world is that Cena is working to create a stale product. The fact is that John Cena is a stale product. Anyone who believes that he’s a breath of fresh air has just shown up to the game. Those that have been watching the WWE for the last 5 years will tell you that Cena is anything but fresh. Still, Cena isn’t going to change because the WWE is controlled by a higher power than Vince McMahon, they are controlled by their shareholders.

Every quarter the WWE must report their earnings and see if they match the projected earnings by Wall Street. They fall short, they lose big money and their stock plummets. They do better than expected and the WWE makes strong returns and people by stock. It’s that easy an equation. Turning John Cena, while good for the product on TV, hurts the interest of children who are buying the t-shirts, wrist bands and hats. Don’t think the fact that Cena wears the loud colors he does has anything to do with his affinity for purple. It’s marketing.

This principle is seen week in and week out on WWE TV. Their attempt to go PG wasn’t for stylistic reasons, as the WWE has much more freedom within the rated-R world. WWE understood that their core audience was young and it became their goal to gear their content to a younger audience, not just for them, but for their shareholders. Even the WWE No-Bullying Campaign is a nod to the younger market that is the primary focus for WWE.


Whenever the debate comes up about how effective John Cena’s heel turn would be, there is always the evoking of the great heel turn of our time: Hulk Hogan. In 1996 at Bash at the Beach, while Hogan was a member of the WCW, he turned heel in one of the most iconic moments in wrestling history. The buzz was enormous, and it allowed the WCW to beat the WWE(then the WWF) in ratings for a solid year.

While this comparison is apt in terms of Cena’s likability and his command of the younger audience, it doesn’t hold weight as a direct apples-to-apples comparison. The biggest difference between the two was the organization they wrestled for. Hogan was a member of WCW, who at that time catered to an older audience who liked wrestling that wasn’t quite mainstream. Turning Hogan was necessary for an older crowd who was less likely to buy bright yellow shirts and say their prayers. The move to Hollywood Hogan was flawless and sold a ton of merchandise.

The WWE knows that the big supporter of their merchandise sales is their youth market. Cena wouldn’t be catering to his most profitable audience, he’d be alienating them. This makes him going heel, especially with an event like WrestleMania 28 already gaining so much momentum, a near impossible move for a company that has a dwindling shareholder base and waning TV numbers. The issues between the Rock and John Cena, and the sort of staunch division that it has created (even if it doesn’t feel that way on live TV) increases interest and buy-rates for next year’s pay-per-view.


It conversely creates interest in any other marquee event that the Rock might show up at. If he shows up at SummerSlam, especially unannounced, it will boost the replay value of the event. If Cena goes heel prior to WrestleMania 28, it will only serve to hurt the product. While the idea of good vs. evil is normally compelling enough to sell tickets, the Rock and John Cena have a much more interesting dynamic going.

The Rock, who is clearly the favorite of the older crowd, has faced his own share of criticism over his lack of appearances on WWE TV. There are those that choose to believe that the Rock turned his back on the WWE audience. There are those that look at him as a symbol of the Attitude Era and the last man standing from an era when wrestling was better. The truth is both guys are flawed, but carry the image of a face and this makes for the most interesting sub-plot to their showdown.

Of course keeping Cena heel doesn’t just work for the Rock’s Mania angle, but rather, it speaks to the sad state that the product is in right now. The truth is that if the Rock, say, were back full-time, Cena could afford to turn heel because the company could rely on another face to drive sales. As it stands today there is no such face in the WWE. CM Punk, even with the sizzle his name carries at the moment, isn’t a guy that is going to drive buy rates consistently. While a heel is important, they don’t sell as much merchandise, and no one shows up to boo someone (Hollywood Hogan being the lone exception).

Until the WWE can find a suitable replacement for John Cena at the top of the pyramid they will continue to drive him as a face. Even if a face emerged now (my best would be the Miz) they won’t do anything until after Mania.

The hatred for Cena may grow, but don’t blame him. It’s not his fault he is the way he is.

L4OATheOriginal said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

The Rock FINALLY responds to John Cena:

"You graduate from a private high school, then all of a sudden you go hardcore thuganomics???...The men see through the bullshit!" Way too many good quotes to mention, but he completely owns Cena here! I'm lovin' it!

This shit is hilarious!!! Sounds like he's showing up at an event at MSG, right? I'm looking at the WWE schedule to see when that would be....

Okay, I just looked it up. They're gonna be at MSG for Survivor Series, so that makes sense since that's one of the four "main" PPVs of the year!!

[Edited 7/13/11 15:22pm]

OMG u look like a tranvestite wonder woman!! omg i laughed out so hard on that one!! and when the rock started nameing all those from the attitude era paving the way, he's right! when u think of the wrestlers in the WWE of the past say 10 years, how many great names can anyone name in that time bracket? it's still been the big show's, the undertaker's, the triple H's that still bring the fire 2 the PPV as opposed 2 the lackluster "superstars" that we've gotten. sure there is rey mysterio and now sin cara, possibly daniel bryan that can put on a good match, but folks like cena, jack swagger, cody ross? bullshit!

rock did put it straight as the ladies like cena and orton for thier build not their wrestling talent. true men see through that bullshit!

just as much as the "diva's" of the WWE can see they are just eye candy unlike the true eye candy and WRESTLERS that the TNA knockouts deliver.

damn rock u killed it there!

I nearly died at that line too! Putting on his tough guys shoes and his tough guy jean shorts that no one has worn since 1992, lookin' like a bloated transvestite Wonder Woman *pew, pew, pew, pew* LMAO! God, I love it!

In all seriousness though, I'm glad he said that he's not an employee of WWE's and that Cena is. I was just saying in a post a day or two ago that Cena brags about showing up every day for work, but then again so do so many other people. And that if he didn't do what he's supposed to do, which is show up, he would be FIRED! And plus, Cena's saying all that shit like The Rock never ran around the world wrestling his ass off, day in and day out.

I hope they air some parts of this (or even the entire thing) on Raw in the next week or two. This is something they need to broadcast!

alexnvrmnd777 said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

OMG u look like a tranvestite wonder woman!! omg i laughed out so hard on that one!! and when the rock started nameing all those from the attitude era paving the way, he's right! when u think of the wrestlers in the WWE of the past say 10 years, how many great names can anyone name in that time bracket? it's still been the big show's, the undertaker's, the triple H's that still bring the fire 2 the PPV as opposed 2 the lackluster "superstars" that we've gotten. sure there is rey mysterio and now sin cara, possibly daniel bryan that can put on a good match, but folks like cena, jack swagger, cody ross? bullshit!

rock did put it straight as the ladies like cena and orton for thier build not their wrestling talent. true men see through that bullshit!

just as much as the "diva's" of the WWE can see they are just eye candy unlike the true eye candy and WRESTLERS that the TNA knockouts deliver.

damn rock u killed it there!

I nearly died at that line too! Putting on his tough guys shoes and his tough guy jean shorts that no one has worn since 1992, lookin' like a bloated transvestite Wonder Woman *pew, pew, pew, pew* LMAO! God, I love it!

In all seriousness though, I'm glad he said that he's not an employee of WWE's and that Cena is. I was just saying in a post a day or two ago that Cena brags about showing up every day for work, but then again so do so many other people. And that if he didn't do what he's supposed to do, which is show up, he would be FIRED! And plus, Cena's saying all that shit like The Rock never ran around the world wrestling his ass off, day in and day out.

I hope they air some parts of this (or even the entire thing) on Raw in the next week or two. This is something they need to broadcast!

yeah i hope so too!! but just the rock doing this made me think that if CM punk vs the rock every happend, can u imagine the promo's they would cut!!??? OMG