alexnvrmnd777 said:

bboy87 said:

The thing about when WWE bought WCW, they didn't get the "big names" the invasion involved a 2 of 3 big names (DDP, Booker T) and then the midcarders

Sting, Nash, Mysterio, Goldberg, and the others had contracts with Time Warner so the WCW invasion wasn't complete

Something that would've been interesting would've been if WCW and ECW invaded and in the midst of the battle, WWE, WCW, and ECW wrestlers all joined forces against the bosses

Well, when they bought WCW, they (WWE) then had the right to buy the contracts of whoever they chose. Those Time Warner contracts could've been "broken" if the wrestlers themselves wanted them too, but like you said, a lot of the big names decided to accept the buy out and not go directly into WWE (on top of WWE not wanting to spend that kind of guaranteed money on them). And that lack of star power DEFINITELY hurt their chances of being their "own" show.

Have you peeped the Nitro DVD yet, bboy?

Exactly, and to make it worse, they had Stone Cold join WCW and have Shane heading them

That whole thing along with WWE's Rise And Fall of WCW and Monday Night Wars DVD IMO devalued the contributions that WCW and ECW made to the industry. Those 2 DVDs were, while in parts were interesting, in the end were just Vince jerking off his ego. One of the Briscos saying at the end "Ted, we beat your butt hehe" Vince's money is all in WWE. Ted Turner has CHANNELS

anyway, no I haven't watched it yet. I heard it's really good though. I don't really need a documentary segment, I just want the matches

alexnvrmnd777 said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

it's a stretch of an idea but back when the invasion happend, there was still velocity and some other show, vince could have drafted all the WWF talent and put them on raw and velocity and alloed smackdown to become wcw/ecw talent imo

Yeah, that was when the roster was easily able to sustain a real brand extension. Chock full of real talent!

I know that when they initially purchased WCW, they were going to do just this. They were gonna turn Smackdown into WCW. But Booker T and Buff Bagwell had a God awful match on Raw, and they made the decision that the performers weren't ready to carry a show by themselves and shelved that idea. They weren't wrestling in the "WWF style", as they say. Here's the match:

Have you gotten a chance to check out that new Best Of Nitro DVD yet?? I downloaded it, and I'm just starting the second disc.

god i remember thatmatch that was just awful!! i don't know what was worst tho, that match with booker t. or the one with hhh vs steiner ..smh

Just been surfing some videos and watched this one...I think what they're doing there at the beginning of this part is INSANE! They should have broken their necks twice doing that...

bboy87 said:

That whole thing along with WWE's Rise And Fall of WCW and Monday Night Wars DVD IMO devalued the contributions that WCW and ECW made to the industry. Those 2 DVDs were, while in parts were interesting, in the end were just Vince jerking off his ego. One of the Briscos saying at the end "Ted, we beat your butt hehe" Vince's money is all in WWE. Ted Turner has CHANNELS

Well, I will say that the ECW DVD was really more about ECW than what the WWE did to them or any gloating. The only thing that I saw was when they were talking about the Triple H vs Taz match (champ vs champ) and how they easily and CLEANLY put HHH over Taz. Vince acknowledged that was a mistake that he wished he could take back. But um, of course, that was years after the fact. That was his way of saying, at the time, that his wrestlers were 100% better than ECW's.

But the DVD on the whole were all about what ECW did really well and/or the tough breaks that contributed to their demise. Now, the WCW one definitely had some gloating on it. But the Nitro one isn't bad at all, as it's almost all matches, with DDP coming in now and then to add his 2 cents. I'll probably download their "best cage matches" DVD soon, too.

alexnvrmnd777 said:

bboy87 said:

That whole thing along with WWE's Rise And Fall of WCW and Monday Night Wars DVD IMO devalued the contributions that WCW and ECW made to the industry. Those 2 DVDs were, while in parts were interesting, in the end were just Vince jerking off his ego. One of the Briscos saying at the end "Ted, we beat your butt hehe" Vince's money is all in WWE. Ted Turner has CHANNELS

Well, I will say that the ECW DVD was really more about ECW than what the WWE did to them or any gloating. The only thing that I saw was when they were talking about the Triple H vs Taz match (champ vs champ) and how they easily and CLEANLY put HHH over Taz. Vince acknowledged that was a mistake that he wished he could take back. But um, of course, that was years after the fact. That was his way of saying, at the time, that his wrestlers were 100% better than ECW's.

But the DVD on the whole were all about what ECW did really well and/or the tough breaks that contributed to their demise. Now, the WCW one definitely had some gloating on it. But the Nitro one isn't bad at all, as it's almost all matches, with DDP coming in now and then to add his 2 cents. I'll probably download their "best cage matches" DVD soon, too.

I gotta see the ECW one. I remember when they started showing it in Virginia (where I grew up) back in '96 and I was 9. Me, my brothers, and my brothers friends were the only ones who knew about it and we LOVED it

bboy87 said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Well, I will say that the ECW DVD was really more about ECW than what the WWE did to them or any gloating. The only thing that I saw was when they were talking about the Triple H vs Taz match (champ vs champ) and how they easily and CLEANLY put HHH over Taz. Vince acknowledged that was a mistake that he wished he could take back. But um, of course, that was years after the fact. That was his way of saying, at the time, that his wrestlers were 100% better than ECW's.

But the DVD on the whole were all about what ECW did really well and/or the tough breaks that contributed to their demise. Now, the WCW one definitely had some gloating on it. But the Nitro one isn't bad at all, as it's almost all matches, with DDP coming in now and then to add his 2 cents. I'll probably download their "best cage matches" DVD soon, too.

I gotta see the ECW one. I remember when they started showing it in Virginia (where I grew up) back in '96 and I was 9. Me, my brothers, and my brothers friends were the only ones who knew about it and we LOVED it

Yeah, the ECW one is VERY nice. It's like 2.5 hours, all documentary, great clips, and some real GENUINE feelings, esp from Heyman. No posturing for the cameras here; he just does not like Eric Bischoff. Lol!

alexnvrmnd777 said:

bboy87 said:

I gotta see the ECW one. I remember when they started showing it in Virginia (where I grew up) back in '96 and I was 9. Me, my brothers, and my brothers friends were the only ones who knew about it and we LOVED it

Yeah, the ECW one is VERY nice. It's like 2.5 hours, all documentary, great clips, and some real GENUINE feelings, esp from Heyman. No posturing for the cameras here; he just does not like Eric Bischoff. Lol!

But to give Eric credit, he and some others declined to be in the documentary because they knew it was going to be filled with revisionist history.

And I just find it hilarious that Vince thinks he was beefing with Ted Turner. No bruh, you were beefing with Eric Bischoff. Ted was too busy counting his millions and laying up with Jane Fonda

bboy87 said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Yeah, the ECW one is VERY nice. It's like 2.5 hours, all documentary, great clips, and some real GENUINE feelings, esp from Heyman. No posturing for the cameras here; he just does not like Eric Bischoff. Lol!

But to give Eric credit, he and some others declined to be in the documentary because they knew it was going to be filled with revisionist history.

And I just find it hilarious that Vince thinks he was beefing with Ted Turner. No bruh, you were beefing with Eric Bischoff. Ted was too busy counting his millions and laying up with Jane Fonda

IIRC, Bischoff was indeed in the Rise and Fall of ECW DVD, giving his take on a couple of the signings he had from ECW at the time and an accusation or two of Heyman's. I'm really gonna have to watch this one again.

Also, I read there's going to be a Bret Hart/Shawn Michaels DVD coming out in October where the two are being interviewed together about their careers and history together by Jim Ross. Sounds pretty interesting. The interview was just filmed about 2 weeks ago. JR has talked about it on Twitter.

alexnvrmnd777 said:

bboy87 said:

But to give Eric credit, he and some others declined to be in the documentary because they knew it was going to be filled with revisionist history.

And I just find it hilarious that Vince thinks he was beefing with Ted Turner. No bruh, you were beefing with Eric Bischoff. Ted was too busy counting his millions and laying up with Jane Fonda

IIRC, Bischoff was indeed in the Rise and Fall of ECW DVD, giving his take on a couple of the signings he had from ECW at the time and an accusation or two of Heyman's. I'm really gonna have to watch this one again.

Also, I read there's going to be a Bret Hart/Shawn Michaels DVD coming out in October where the two are being interviewed together about their careers and history together by Jim Ross. Sounds pretty interesting. The interview was just filmed about 2 weeks ago. JR has talked about it on Twitter.

When did the ECW dvd come out? He may have still been with WWE when it was released

I heard about the HBK/Hitman DVD. It was said to be pretty emotional if I remember correctly from the article I read

- The 2011 TNA Destination X pay-per-view opens with a promo video for tonight's event. A promo for Abyss vs. Brian Kendrick has an "art of war" theme. We're live from the Impact Zone in Orlando, Florida as the pyro goes off. Mike Tenay welcomes us to Destination X and hypes tonight's matches. Tenay is joined by Jeremy Borash on commentary. Tenay says tonight we celebrate the past, present and future of the X Division. He says Taz is on assignment tonight and will return on Thursday. Borash and Tenay talk more about the X Division before we go to the six-sided ring.

Kazarian vs. Samoa Joe

Christy Hemme is doing introductions in the six-sided ring as Kazarian makes his way out for the first match. His opponent Samoa Joe is out next.

The bell rings and they go right at it. Lots of back and forth, fast action. Joe goes for a choke and Kaz slides out of the ring. Joe goes to dive through the ropes but Kaz slides back in the ring. Joe finally connects with a clothesline on the floor and the crowd is hot for the opener. Kaz fights back on the floor but Joe stops him. Kaz leaps off the apron but Joe moves. Joe brings it back in the ring and Kaz starts stomping on him. Joe rams Kaz back in the corner and kicks him in the head. Joe catches Kaz in the air and hits him with an atomic drop and a clothesline for 2. Kaz starts to make a comeback with right hands but Joe runs right over him.

Joe takes Kaz to the mat and lays him down with a big kick to the face. Joe with a knee drop and another 2 count. Joe goes for a choke but Kaz counters it. Joe comes right back with a clothesline. Joe takes Kaz to the top and hits him with a big chop. Joe goes for the Musclebuster but Kaz block it. Kaz springboards in with a dropkick. They get up and trade several forearm shots. Joe connects with a series but Kaz slams him. Kaz springboards off the second rope with a leg drop. Kaz with a springboard tornado DDT now and a 2 count.

Kaz ends up on the apron and fights himself in with a slingshot DDT for a 2 count. Joe counters with an elbow and goes to the second rope. Kaz kicks him in the head. Kaz climbs up top with Joe but Joe knocks him to the apron. Joe catches Kaz in the head with a kick. Kaz goes to the floor but Joe runs and dives through the ropes, hitting him in the head with an elbow. Both go down on the floor. Back in the ring and Joe slaps Kaz hard in the back. Kaz counters a powerbomb but Joe counters that and powerbombs him for a 2 count. Joe rolls right into the STF, looking for a submission win.

Kaz bites Joe's finger to break the hold and dropkicks him to the corner. Kaz charges in the corner but Joe catches him in the air and slams him down. Lots of Joe chants from the crowd. Joe goes for the choke hold again and takes Kaz to the mat. Joe applies the scissors to lock the hold in. Kaz finally makes it to the ropes and the hold is broken. Joe doesn't break the hold at first and pushes Earl Hebner off. Hebner and Joe argue now. Kaz recovers and almost gets in a choke again. Kaz drops down and rolls Joe up for the pin and the win, out of nowhere.

Winner: Kazarian

- We see footage from Daniels vs. AJ Styles vs. Samoa Joe back in 2005. We also see footage of Daniels arriving to the arena earlier today.

- Footage from earlier today with Suicide, Sangriento and Curry Man out with the fans signing autographs. Eric Young says he's headed to LA but needs a tag partner for tonight. He talks with Curry Man when Shark Boy walks up, making his return. Shark Boy will be teaming with Young it looks like.

Douglas Williams vs. Mark Haskins

- We go to the ring and out comes Douglas Williams, Rob Terry and Magnus for Williams' open challenge. Out next comes Mark Haskins, a wrestler from the UK. Williams takes the mic and tells Terry and Magnus he's got this, so they leave the ring. Haskins got no reaction before coming out and there's a "who are you" chant from the crowd. Williams tells Haskins he's surprised he took the challenge. Williams says Haskins made such an impression on the UK tour earlier this year that people were telling him Haskins was the next big X Division star to come out of the UK. Williams tells Haskins he's going to need his A-game tonight.

The bell rings and they go at it, going to the mat early. Lots of back and forth action to start. Williams takes it to the corner but Haskins goes to fight out. Williams knocks him down and whips him to the other corner. Haskins counters but Williams drops down on him for a 2 count. Several pin attempts exchanged here. Williams rolls out of the ring to regroup. They end up on the mat again. Haskins keeps headbutting Williams back down into a 2 count. They go to the corner and then run the ropes. Haskins flips Williams and sends him to the floor. Haskins dropkicks Williams into the railing. Williams come back and pulls Haskins leg, causing him to fall hard on the apron and then to the floor.

Williams suplexes Haskins on the floor and brings it back in the ring for a 2 count. Williams slaps Haskins around and ties him up in a surfboard submission. Williams comes out with a 2 count. Haskins gets up but Williams clotheslines him. Williams puts Haskins on his back and rams him face-first back into the turnbuckles. Williams ends up on top with Haskins. Haskins fights back and sends Williams to the mat. Haskins comes off the top with a dropkick and Williams goes down. Williams with uppercuts. Haskins drops Williams for a 2 count. Haskins comes back with forearms and an elbow to the face. Haskins with a big back elbow to the face in the corner. Haskins slingshots from the second rope and barely hits a clothesline for a 2 count.

Williams goes for Chaos Theory but Haskins blocks it and hits a cutter for a 2 count. Haskins goes for a slam but Williams fights him off. Williams with a knee to the chest in the corner. Williams goes up top but Haskins kicks him in the chin on the way down. Haskins goes to the top rope but slips. He goes back up and goes for the Shooting Star Press but moves. Williams recovers and rolls Haskins up for the win.

Winner: Douglas Williams

- After the match, Williams approaches Haskins and raises his hand, helping him stand up. Williams extends his hand to Haskins for a shake, before leaving the ring.

- We go backstage where SoCal Val is with Austin Aries. He talks about how Val looks and then cuts an awesome promo on the fans and his match tonight where a TNA contract will be up for grabs.

Generation Me vs. Eric Young and Shark Boy

We go to the ring and out comes Max and Jeremy Buck for the next match. TNA TV Champion Eric Young is out next followed by his partner, the returning Shark Boy.

Lots of stalling from Shark Boy and EY's team to start the match. They finally go at it with Shark Boy and Jeremy Buck starting things out. Buck takes it to the corner and works Shark Boy over. Shark dodges a charge in the corner and stomps Buck down to the mat and mimicks Steve Austin. Lots of back and forth action. EY comes in as does Max Buck. Lots of back and forth action between these two also. EY finally kicks Buck in the head from a springboard and hits an atomic drop.

Shark Boy comes in and does the Bite to Buck. They go to the floor and Shark Boy gets double teamed. They bring it back in the ring for more double teaming as the referee is distracted by Young. It comes back down to Shark getting double teamed again. Shark counters a clothesline and hits a neckbreaker on Jeremy. Lots of back and forth action in this one. EY comes back in and goes at it with Max. Max with a close 2 count. Max puts EY on his shoulders while Jeremy goes to the top. Shark knocks Jeremy down and saves EY. EY hits a wheelbarrow drop on Buck for the pin and the win.

Winners: Shark Boy and Eric Young

- Daniels is backstage when AJ Styles walks up. They seem on good terms going into tonight's main event.

- SoCal Val is backstage with Zema Ion. He talks about winning tonight's match for a TNA contract.

- We get a promo for tonight's Ultimate X match.

Ultimate X: Robbie E. vs. Alex Shelley vs. Amazing Red vs. Shannon Moore

We go to the ring for Ultimate X to crown a new #1 contender for the X Division Title. Tenay and Borash talk about Ultimate X as the crew finishes putting the structure up and hanging the X.

Out first comes Robbie E. with Cookie at his side. Amazing Red is out next, then Shannon Moore and finally Alex Shelley. The bell rings and they all go at it, Moore and Red, Shelley and Robbie. Moore drops Red and then goes for Robbie, doing the same. Moore then takes down Shelley and goes back to work on Robbie. Moore cleans house and goes to climb the structure. Red stops him and they go at it. Shelley and Red go at it now. Shelley knocks Red off the top to the mat as Robbie climbs to the ropes on the structure. Red sends Shelley to the floor. Robbie drops from the ropes on the structure and goes at it with Red. Red gets the upperhand and climbs up but Shelley stops him with a big chop to the back. Shelley, Robbie and Red go at it with each other in the corner. They send Robbie to the floor and Shelley works Red over while his leg is stuck on the ropes. Moore starts to climb up now until Shelley stops him.

Moore, Robbie and Shelley go at it in the corner now. Shelley baseball slides them both. He goes to the top but Red stops him. Shelley knocks Red to the apron. Shelley climbs out on the ropes but Robbie pulls him down to the mat. Red and Robbie go at it now. Red knocks Shelley down and leaps from the top onto Robbie. Robbie blocks it and sends Red to the mat. Robbie runs and knocks Moore off the apron. He baseball slides but Moore traps him in the apron cover and hits him with forearms. Shelley flies over the ropes and shoves Moore into Robbie. Moore ends up on the apron and moonsaults back onto Shelley and the floor.

Lots more back and forth action. Robbie climbs the structure and points at the X. He climbs out on the ropes and goes for it. Red pulls his leg and brings him to the mat. Red with a series of spin kicks. Robbie whips Red into the ropes and he flies over them and down to the floor onto Moore & Shelley. Robbie goes back up and climbs out for the X. Red springboards into the ring and dropkicks Robbie out of the air. Robbie goes to the floor to regroup with Cookie. Moore climbs the structure now but doesn't go out on the ropes for the X. Moore climbs up higher, to the top of the structure. Cookie holds Shelley's leg as he tries to climb the structure. Moore crawls out on top of the structure. Red is also climbing out on the ropes going for the X. Shelley finally starts going for the X. Moore drops from the top of the structure, onto the ropes, and kicks Red off of them. Moore goes for the X but Shelley slides out on the ropes and kicks Moore to the mat. Shelley unhooks the X and drops to the mat for the win.

Winner and New X Division Title #1 Contender: Alex Shelley

- After the match, the injured Chris Sabin comes out to congratulate Shelley. Shelley dedicated the match to Sabin earlier.

- We go backstage with SoCal Val and Low Ki. He talks about winning the contract tonight in the three-way.

- We get a video package hyping Jerry Lynn vs. Rob Van Dam.

Rob Van Dam vs. Jerry Lynn

Christy Hemme is in the ring to introduce Jerry Lynn and out he comes. Rob Van Dam is out next to a nice reaction.

Lots of dueling chants to start the match. Also lots of stalling here. They finally lock up and go at it. RVD with a side headlock. They run the ropes and RVD drops Lynn with a shoulder. They go to the mat and go back and forth. Both get to their feet at the same time and the crowd applauds. RVD takes Lynn out with a sweep and works on the arm. They go to the corner. Lynn fights to the top but RVD knocks him down with a spin kick. RVD goes for a superplex but Lynn fights him. Lynn sends RVD to the apron and kicks him in the mouth. Lynn goes for a tornado DDT on the apron but RVD clotheslines him into the ring.

RVD with shoulder thrusts in the corner now. RVD misses a spin kick and gets hung up on the ropes. Lynn takes him down. RVD gets up but misses two flips. Lots of counters and a 2 count for RVD here. They get back to their feet and the crowd applauds again. RVD sends Lynn to the floor with a kick. RVD goes to dive over the ropes but he stops. RVD invites Lynn to come back in the ring and holds the ropes open for him as Lynn re-enters. The crowd applauds and they square off again. RVD extends his hand for a shake but Lynn grabs his arm and throws him out of the ring and into the barrier.

Lynn hits a baseball slide, sending RVD back into the barrier. Lynn leaps off the apron and lands on RVD but hits his head on the floor. Lynn brings it back in the ring for a 2 count. Some boo's for Lynn now from the crowd. More offense and another 2 count for Lynn. Lynn chokes RVD as the ref counts. RVD tries to come back but runs into a boot in the corner. Lynn goes for a tornado DDT out of the corner but RVD counters it. Lynn comes back with a bridge suplex for a 2 count. Lynn with a knee drop and a headlock now. RVD tries to break free but Lynn slams him to the mat by his hair. Lynn chokes RVD on the rope with his boot now and RVD is bleeding from his mouth.

Lynn with another 2 count and more offense. The crowd starts chanting for RVD as he tries to make a comeback. RVD counters and drops Lynn with a big kick. RVD hits Rolling Thunder and gets a 2 count. RVD catches Lynn with a spin kick out of the corner and sends him out to the floor. RVD runs and baseball slides Lynn into the barrier. RVD front suplexes Lynn over the top of the barrier and leave him laying on it. RVD goes to the apron and lands on Lynn and the barrier. RVD brings it back in and hits a slingshot leg drop from the ropes. RVD goes to the top but Lynn pushes him off. RVD lands hard on the floor.

Lynn brings RVD back in the ring and follows with a steel chair. Hebner warns Lynn but he's not listening. Lynn ducks a spin kick and leg drops RVD's head onto the steel chair for a 2 count. Lynn goes outside and brings another chair into the ring. RVD is busted open by his eye now. RVD fights Lynn off and picks up the chair. RVD rolls through and to the second rope. Lynn catches him and powerbombs RVD onto the steel chair. RVD hits hard and Lynn gets another 2 count. Lynn swings the chair but RVD ducks and kicks it into his head. RVD goes to the top and hits the Five Star Frog Splash for the pin and the win.

Winner: Rob Van Dam

- We go backstage with Jack Evans. He says he's never been more nervous but he's bringing home the contract tonight.

Austin Aries vs. Jack Evans vs. Low Ki vs. Zema Ion

We go to the ring and out first comes Austin Aries, after Christy Hemme botches the entrance. Zema Ion is out next. Low Ki is out next to a nice reaction, followed by Jack Evans. Evans also gets a decent reaction.

The bell rings and here we go. Aries with a early pin attempt on Zema. Low Ki drops Evans in the corner and goes to Aries. They shake hands but Ki kicks Aries hard. Aries and Ki go at it now. Zema comes over but Ki fights him off. Evans lays out Ki and goes at it with Zema. Evans takes down Zema and hits a spinkick for a 2 count. Evans goes for a standing moonsault but Zema kicks him out of mid-air. Ki comes over and chops Zema hard. Ki and Zema exchange chops. Ki comes off the second rope with a big kick for a 2 count.

Ki works over Evans in the corner until Aries comes over. Aries works over Ki now and splashes Evans and Zema in their corners. Aries then hits Ki in his corner with the fingernail rake. All three come back and hit a three-way dropkick on Aries, sending him out to the floor. Evans and Zema go at it now. Evans kicks Ki off and kicks Zema down. Dropkick to Ki. Evans with a 2 count on Zema. Ki with chops on Zema now. Ki charges but Evans kicks him. Aries pulls Evans down from the apron. Zema runs and dives through the ropes, taking Aries out. Ki and Evans go at it. Aries tries to pull Evans down again but he flips down to the floor. They go at it until Aries shoves him into the apron. In the ring, Zema has a hanging choke on Ki. Aries comes in and breaks it up. Zema falls on Aries for a 2 count. Zema backslides Aries for a 1 count. Back and forth until Aries dropkicks Zema in the face. 2 count by Aries.

Ki kicks Evans out of the air and covers him for a pin until Aries breaks it up. Ki and Aries have words in the middle of the ring now and get in each other's face. Zema comes over and grabs Aries. Evans grabs Ki. Aries counters and applies a nice submission on Zema while Ki counters and applies a nice choke on Evans. Aries breaks his hold to drop Ki and break his hold. Evans and Zema go to the floor. Ki and Aries have more words in the ring. Ki with a big chop on Aries. Aries comes back with one. They trade multiple chops. Aries gets the upperhand but Ki blocks a brainbuster. Ki with a kick to the back of the head. Ki pins Aries until Evans leaps in the ring and breaks it up. Evans with 2 counts on Ki and Aries. Zema comes in now and drops Evans on his face. 2 count for Zema.

Aries and Zema go at it now. Aries drops Zema and hits a big elbow for a 2 count as Ki breaks the pin. Ki pins Aries for 2 after a double stomp to the back. Evans ends up on Ki's shoulders and takes him down with a scissors. Ki ends up on the floor. Evans runs the ropes but Zema pulls the ropes down, causing Evans to fall to the floor. Zema runs the ropes now but Aries knocks him down with a flying elbow. Aries covers Zema for 2. Aries runs the ropes now but Ki kicks him in the head. Ki with a 2 count on Aries. Ki runs and dropkicks Zema into the corner. Evans leaps in with a kick from the top on Ki. Aries runs over and clotheslines Evans while he shows off. Aries with a 2 count on Evans. And a 2 count on Ki. Zema counters the pin and rolls Aries up for 2. Zema hits Aries with forearms and right hands now. Aries whips him into the corner and charges but ends up on the apron. Aries with a neckbreaker from the apron. Aries goes to the top rope now but Ki cartwheels over and kicks him in the head. Aries falls to the mat. Ki covers Aries for 2.

Evans takes Ki from the top and brings him to the mat with a hurricanrana. Evans with a 2 count on Ki. Evans goes up top but Zema knocks him off, sending him down to the floor. Zema goes up top and hits a 450 on Ki for a 2 count as Aries stops the pin. Evans goes up top while Aries throws Zema outside of the ring. Evans goes for a 630 but Ki puts his knees up. Aries runs over and kicks Evans in the head and then dropkicks Ki. Aries with a brainbuster on Ki for the pin, the win and the TNA contract.

Winner and TNA Contract Winner: Austin Aries

- After the match, SoCal Val greets Aries at ringside with his new TNA contract. Aries says he's the greatest man that ever lived and walks up the ramp looking over his contract.

- We go backstage with Abyss talking about war and his X Division Title match with Brian Kendrick tonight. Up next is a promo for the match with comments from Eric Bischoff and others.

TNA X Division Title Match: Brian Kendrick vs. Abyss

Out first comes Brian Kendrick. Next comes the TNA X Division Champion Abyss. Christy Hemme does official introductions before the bell. Here we go as Kendrick starts wailing on Abyss but it doesn't phase him. Kendrick tries a crossbody but it doesn't even budge Abyss. Abyss clubs Kendrick back to the mat. Abyss goes for a splash in the corner but Kendrick moves. Kendrick with right hands in the corner. Kendrick with right hands and a dropkick. Kendrick charges but Abyss drops him with a clothesline.

Kendrick tries to fight back but Abyss grabs him for a chokeslam. Kendrick breaks free by biting his fingers. Abyss sends Kendrick out to the floor and hits him with big chops. Abyss brings it back in the ring for more chops in the corner. Abyss charges but Kendrick counters with a forearm. Kendrick with another forearm. He charges but Abyss drops him with a big boot. Abyss runs in the corner and this time connects with the big splash.

Abyss goes to his copy of the book Art of War for inspiration it appears, allowing Kendrick to recover. Kendrick tries to come back but Abyss beats him back down to the mat and goes back to reading the book. Kendrick hits Abyss with a big forearm shot and knocks the book out of his hands. Abyss is busted open now. Kendrick ducks a clothesline and fires away with forearms on Abyss. Kendrick charges and dropkicks Abyss over the ropes and to the floor. Kendrick dives through the ropes now and sends Abyss into the barrier. They go at it on the floor now. Kendrick with big kicks. They come back in and Kendrick goes up top. Kendrick with a crossbody for a 2 count. Kendrick goes back to the top and hits a missile dropkick for another 2 count. Kendrick goes for Sliced Bread but Abyss catches him and hits Shock Treatment for a 2 count.

Abyss corners Earl Hebner and turns around to shots from Kendrick. Kendrick moves and Abyss accidentally splashes Hebner. Kendrick hits his finisher and covers Abyss but Hebner is laid out. Eric Bischoff comes down to the ring to boo's now. Bischoff enters the ring and yells at Kendrick. Kendrick drops him with a right hand. Brother Ray, Scott Steiner and Gunner run down to lay Kendrick out. Shark Boy, Generation Me and Amazing Red run down to make the save. Immortal clear the ring of the X Division and bring Kendrick back in for a three-on-one beatdown. This brings out more members of the X Division and they finally clean house of Steiner, Gunner and Ray. Kendrick goes up top now and comes down but Abyss catches him for a chokeslam. Kendrick blocks it and rolls Abyss up for the pin and the win.

Winner and New TNA X Division Champion: Brian Kendrick

- After the match, the X Division wrestlers enter the ring and hoist Kendrick up on their shoulders. Red confetti falls from the arena as Eric Bischoff and Immortal look on from the ramp pissed off. Abyss has words with Bully Ray and shoves him down on the stage before heading to the back. Kendrick and the rest of the X Division celebrate as we get ready for the main event.

- We get a nice promo video for tonight's main event with comments from Daniels and AJ Styles.

Daniels vs. AJ Styles

We go to the ring for tonight's main event. Out first comes Daniels, followed by AJ Styles to a nice reaction. Christy Hemme does formal ring introductions before the bell.

The bell rings and they lock up, going to the corners. Daniels applies a headlock and takes AJ down. AJ fights to his feet but the hold is still applied. AJ breaks it and applies an arm hold. Daniels breaks it and goes to a headlock as the fans do dueling chants. AJ goes back to an arm submission. Daniels takes AJ back to the mat with a headlock. Lots of back and forth action on the mat and with more holds now. They trade arm drags now and AJ goes back to the arm hold.

More back and forth action as AJ takes Daniels back to the mat. AJ kicks Daniels in the head but Daniels throws him out to the floor. AJ comes right back in and Daniels goes to the floor. He comes right back in and they square off and shake hands. AJ goes back to work on Daniels' arm. Daniels with a side headlock. More of the same here in this match as AJ goes back to the arm on the mat. They trade leap frogs now and Daniels goes out to the floor and then back in the ring. More counters and reversals as Daniels goes back to an arm hold on the mat. AJ with a dropkick and another. 2 count for AJ.

AJ slams Daniels and drops a big knee for another 2 count. AJ eventually takes it back to the mat with an arm hold. More offense from AJ until Daniels counters a hold and AJ goes to the floor. Daniels dives through the ropes and sends AJ back into the barrier. Daniels goes back in the ring and runs the ropes again. He dives again over the top rope and sends AJ back into the barrier. Daniels brings it back in the ring and back drops AJ. Daniels with another back drop. Daniels hits a third back drop and this time gets a 2 count. Daniels keeps control of the match here and hits a neckbreaker for another 2 count. Daniels with a submission now. AJ tries to come back but Daniels slams him. Daniels goes for a springboard move but AJ kicks him out to the floor. AJ leaps over the top and leg drops Daniels on the floor.

They come back in the ring and AJ connects with a forearm and a big chop. AJ with a big splash in the corner now and Daniels falls down on the mat. AJ with a 2 count. AJ applies an armbar submission now. They go to the apron. AJ counters and suplexes Daniels hard onto the apron. Daniels falls to the floor in pain. AJ goes for a springboard into the ring but Daniels hits the ropes and AJ falls back down to the floor. Daniels brings it back in the ring and hits AJ's back with big chops in the corner. Daniels with a neckbreaker and another 2 count. AJ rams Daniels back into the corner. Daniels boots him in the face and goes for a sunset flip. AJ drops down ontop of him for a 2 count. Daniels counters with a 2 count of his own and applies a crossface submission.

AJ hits the ropes and the hold is broken. Daniels with a fireman's carry into a driver for a 2 count. AJ tries to fight back now with shots to the gut. They trade multiple chops to the chest now. AJ hits an enziguri kick and Daniels goes down. They get up at the same time. Daniels charges in the corner but AJ moves and clotheslines him. AJ with a back elbow and another clothesline. AJ ends up on the apron and goes for a springboard but he slips on the top rope and falls on his face. Daniels takes advantage and covers AJ for a 2 count.

They both go for a suplex but AJ counters and drops Daniels on his neck. They trade shots again. AJ gets Daniels up on his shoulders and spins him around, drops him and covers for 2. AJ with forearm shots now. Daniels stops him and applies an interesting submission on AJ's neck with his legs. AJ stands up with Daniels on his shoulders again. AJ dumps Daniels over the ropes and out to the apron. Daniels with palm thrusts now. He takes AJ to the top and slams him down with a big sit-down driver for a 2 count. Daniels goes for an inverted DDT but AJ counters it. Daniels goes to the second rope but AJ chops him and hits him with forearms. AJ slams Daniels from the second rope by his neck. 2 count for AJ. Daniels goes for a moonsault but AJ counters and hits an inverted DDT for 2.

AJ goes for the Styles Clash but Daniels holds on and pushes him off. AJ comes back and goes for a double underhook but Daniels blocks that. More counters and blocks here. Daniels sweeps AJ and covers him for 2. Daniels connects with an STO takedown for another 2 count. AJ with forearm shots but Daniels catches him and slams him to the mat. Daniels goes for the Best Moonsault Ever but AJ puts his feet up. AJ goes for the Styles Clash and nails it but only gets a 2 count. AJ goes to the apron and springboards in but Daniels puts his knees up. Daniels hits the Angels Wings but only gets 2.

Daniels with a series of elbow drops. Daniels back up top but AJ gets up and knocks him down to the turnbuckle. AJ goes up top and goes for a superplex but Daniels fights him off. Daniels goes for Angels Wings from the top rope but AJ blocks it and back drops him to the mat. AJ hits Spinal Tap from the top rope for the pin and the win.

Winner: AJ Styles

- After the match, we go to replays. AJ goes to extend his hand for a shake but Daniels turns his back on his friend. Daniels turns around and shakes AJ's hand. They hug and celebrate as Destination X goes off the air.

bboy87 said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

IIRC, Bischoff was indeed in the Rise and Fall of ECW DVD, giving his take on a couple of the signings he had from ECW at the time and an accusation or two of Heyman's. I'm really gonna have to watch this one again.

Also, I read there's going to be a Bret Hart/Shawn Michaels DVD coming out in October where the two are being interviewed together about their careers and history together by Jim Ross. Sounds pretty interesting. The interview was just filmed about 2 weeks ago. JR has talked about it on Twitter.

When did the ECW dvd come out? He may have still been with WWE when it was released

I heard about the HBK/Hitman DVD. It was said to be pretty emotional if I remember correctly from the article I read

Oh, Bischoff was still very much with the company when the ECW DVD came out. It was released sometime in 2004.

I just can't believe how much "healing" and good will (or at least cordial will) there is now between HBK and Hart. I mean, for SO many years Bret was just ready to knock the holy hell outta HBK at the very thought of him, but ever since they shared the ring in January 2010, Bret's mellowed out. Trust me, I'm really glad he did, but I just never thought it would come until after someone was dead!! Really glad it didn't. They're two of the greatest ring technicians to EVER be in the game.

bboy87 said:

[Destination X results were here]

Did you see this one? I only cared about one match, and that was RVD vs. Lynn, and they really seemed to be caught off guard a little bit by the hexagon ring. Things didn't flow as well as a RVD/Lynn match usually does, though that could be chalked up to age and ring rust. They had a couple of nice spots, though. I just think the ending came a little too soon and easy for RVD.

alexnvrmnd777 said:

bboy87 said:

When did the ECW dvd come out? He may have still been with WWE when it was released

I heard about the HBK/Hitman DVD. It was said to be pretty emotional if I remember correctly from the article I read

Oh, Bischoff was still very much with the company when the ECW DVD came out. It was released sometime in 2004.

I just can't believe how much "healing" and good will (or at least cordial will) there is now between HBK and Hart. I mean, for SO many years Bret was just ready to knock the holy hell outta HBK at the very thought of him, but ever since they shared the ring in January 2010, Bret's mellowed out. Trust me, I'm really glad he did, but I just never thought it would come until after someone was dead!! Really glad it didn't. They're two of the greatest ring technicians to EVER be in the game.

I think Bret still resents HBK whereas Shawn has moved past it. After reading parts of Bret's book and looking at some of his interviews, he strikes me as someone who holds grudges. A bit of jerk IMO

CM Punk is the MAN!!!!!!

That opening promo was hot as shit! He acknowledged that bullshit-looking belt, the "Cena's fired angle" last year with Nexus, how he finally made WWE socially relevant, etc...

I love this shit! But, this pretty much confirms what I've been saying all along....I think he's already re-signed.

bboy87 said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Oh, Bischoff was still very much with the company when the ECW DVD came out. It was released sometime in 2004.

I just can't believe how much "healing" and good will (or at least cordial will) there is now between HBK and Hart. I mean, for SO many years Bret was just ready to knock the holy hell outta HBK at the very thought of him, but ever since they shared the ring in January 2010, Bret's mellowed out. Trust me, I'm really glad he did, but I just never thought it would come until after someone was dead!! Really glad it didn't. They're two of the greatest ring technicians to EVER be in the game.

I think Bret still resents HBK whereas Shawn has moved past it. After reading parts of Bret's book and looking at some of his interviews, he strikes me as someone who holds grudges. A bit of jerk IMO

Bret's & Shawn's respected autobiographies were written before they finally decide to end their personal beef. These days, THE only person Bret doesn't like is Ric Flair.

[Edited 7/11/11 19:14pm]

TonyVanDam said:

bboy87 said:

I think Bret still resents HBK whereas Shawn has moved past it. After reading parts of Bret's book and looking at some of his interviews, he strikes me as someone who holds grudges. A bit of jerk IMO

Bret's & Shawn's respected autobiographies were written before they finally decide to end their personal beef. These days, THE only person Bret doesn't like is Ric Flair.

[Edited 7/11/11 19:14pm]

I was going to say the same thing! HBK and Hart only reconciled their differences in January of last year. Hart's autobiography was released a year and a half before then in 2008.

I honestly do think Bret has moved past everything. Finally.

Okay, who just saw the best 20 minutes of Raw in about a fuckin' decade??!?!!!!!!

If they don't turn Cena heel off of this shit, they'll NEVER do it!!! Punk had Cena's own hometown booin' his ass!!! Lol!! Classic shit!!!

[Edited 7/11/11 20:18pm]

Cm Punk said John Cena has become the NY Yankees I’m from New York but wow. Cm Punk is a really good heel I must say.

babybugz said:

Cm Punk said John Cena has become the NY Yankees I’m from New York but wow. Cm Punk is a really good heel I must say.

Who knew that the term "NY Yankees" is the new "muthafucka"?

alexnvrmnd777 said:

babybugz said:

Cm Punk said John Cena has become the NY Yankees I’m from New York but wow. Cm Punk is a really good heel I must say.

Who knew that the term "NY Yankees" is the new "muthafucka"?

LOL I’m a yankee fan and of course here they are worship but to say that to someone from a different area and Cena being from boston lmaoo. Cm punk Ether Cena...

Punk is awesome.

That promo looked to be falling flat a couple of times (when he was off the mic) and he just swooped back in and saved it.

It made no sense though. How many times have we seen "Mr. McMahon" in a feud/situation with the top stars in his company, going through hell to destroy them and get his way? Yet he comes out tonight with the whole "Im Vince McMahon" cocky ass shit before completely caving in to Punk...who he supposedly doesnt think has "star quality".

And Cena is just...

CM Junk's rant was cool last week because it came from left field but that

shit ain't gonna fly long. Quit talking shit and get your ass in the ring and quit

hiding behind your stooges which is currently Nexus(i refuse to discuss the straight

edge society clowns) and prove you are a champion.

phunkdaddy said:

CM Junk's rant was cool last week because it came from left field but that

shit ain't gonna fly long. Quit talking shit and get your ass in the ring and quit

hiding behind your stooges which is currently Nexus(i refuse to discuss the straight

edge society clowns) and prove you are a champion.

Yeah, but I appreciate the "build". I do get what you're saying. It was cool when it first happened, it's getting lame now, especially with Super Cena being in on the promos

StonedImmaculate said:

Punk is awesome.

That promo looked to be falling flat a couple of times (when he was off the mic) and he just swooped back in and saved it.

It made no sense though. How many times have we seen "Mr. McMahon" in a feud/situation with the top stars in his company, going through hell to destroy them and get his way? Yet he comes out tonight with the whole "Im Vince McMahon" cocky ass shit before completely caving in to Punk...who he supposedly doesnt think has "star quality".

And Cena is just...

This, I wholeheartedly agree with. He's calling him a "punk" and whatnot even right before Punk comes to the ring, but he's so willing to not only sign, but sign an AMENDED contract with stupid new CEO-type clauses (a new jet for himself, his image on everything, etc..). Any other time, he'd say don't do what Bret did at Survivor Series and screw himself

Still, I really liked a few of the things Punk said throughout the whole thing. But after this whole epic storyline, what is Punk's character? And I'm sorry, I don't buy he's leaving after the PPV. He's already re-signed, and he may be gone for a brief period of time, but once he returns, what's his character going to be? Mr. Don't Give Him A Live Mic Because He May Say Something Outlandish? I'm just curious as to how they're going to parlay this/him into a long-term cash cow.

@ Truth walking out yelling "SURPRISE! SURPRISE!"

and the shit about "I'm BETT NOT SEE NO SPIDERS!"

Lawd.....

Can someone please explain the Montreal incident to me? What happened there? And is it certain it wasn't scripted?

alexnvrmnd777 said:

babybugz said:

Cm Punk said John Cena has become the NY Yankees I’m from New York but wow. Cm Punk is a really good heel I must say.

Who knew that the term "NY Yankees" is the new "muthafucka"?

well i guess i'm a muthafucka then cause i'm a yankee fan and a yankee beat 2 boston red fucks in the home run derby last night!! lol

but i was also watching raw last night and the minute cena's music hit during that contract signing i wished right then and there someone would beat the shit out of him!! tired of cena's back and forth rants about caring about the fans then goes back 2 his PC speeches. when cena first hit the scene and had a match with kurt angle, i felt he had some good wrestling skills then came the THUG mentality gimmick and he hasn't been the same. so what CM punk was saying last night, oops i mean PHIL lol, was still true because he has WRESTLING skills not cena.

and on a side note, something we have discussed a few pages back, did they not make TRUTH the most stupid person on the planet when he discussed his phobia? damn either african american talent is protayed as either beasts or the dumbest fuckers on the earth. SMH

alexnvrmnd777 said:

StonedImmaculate said:

Punk is awesome.

That promo looked to be falling flat a couple of times (when he was off the mic) and he just swooped back in and saved it.

It made no sense though. How many times have we seen "Mr. McMahon" in a feud/situation with the top stars in his company, going through hell to destroy them and get his way? Yet he comes out tonight with the whole "Im Vince McMahon" cocky ass shit before completely caving in to Punk...who he supposedly doesnt think has "star quality".

And Cena is just...

This, I wholeheartedly agree with. He's calling him a "punk" and whatnot even right before Punk comes to the ring, but he's so willing to not only sign, but sign an AMENDED contract with stupid new CEO-type clauses (a new jet for himself, his image on everything, etc..). Any other time, he'd say don't do what Bret did at Survivor Series and screw himself

Still, I really liked a few of the things Punk said throughout the whole thing. But after this whole epic storyline, what is Punk's character? And I'm sorry, I don't buy he's leaving after the PPV. He's already re-signed, and he may be gone for a brief period of time, but once he returns, what's his character going to be? Mr. Don't Give Him A Live Mic Because He May Say Something Outlandish? I'm just curious as to how they're going to parlay this/him into a long-term cash cow.

did he not hit it on the head when he said "i've had friends that were fired that are better than the talent that is in this ring at the moment"

Phishanga said:

Can someone please explain the Montreal incident to me? What happened there? And is it certain it wasn't scripted?

Montreal Screwjob in a nutshell

Bret Hart won the WWF title from the Undertaker at Summerslam 97. Soon after Vince realized he could not afford to pay Bret the outlandish 20 year contract he had recently signed (this was prior to the Attitude Era...WWF was struggling). Vince allowed Bret to talk to other organizations (WCW) if he wanted to leave. Bret makes a deal with WCW and is on his way out...but he's still WWF champ.

Vince tells Bret to drop the title to Shawn Michaels at Survivor Series 97 in Montreal. Bret refuses due to legit heat between him and Michaels. Claiming his contract gave him "creative control" over his character for his last 30 days in the company, Bret agreed to drop the title to the Undertaker, Steve Austin...ANYONE but HBK. Vince reluctantly agrees and the plan was for Bret to beat Michaels in Montreal by DQ, then drop the title on RAW the next night.

During the match, HBK puts Bret in the sharpshooter. Bret was supposed to reverse it leading to HHH's interference and the planned DQ. Instead, as soon as Shawn puts Bret in the sharpshooter, Vince (at ringside) signals the ref to stop the match. Ref calls for the bell and Shawn Michaels "wins" the WWF title by "submission". It was painfully obvious to anyone watching that something was wrong...Bret lost his mind and spit a MASSIVE loogey straight in Vince's face before destroying everything in sight...announce tables, monitors, etc. Shawn Michaels acted as if he had no idea what was going to go down and had to be told by Vince to take the belt and go...he did, and acted so pissed about it.

Anyhoo...Vince got major heat for it. It could have been disastrous for the WWF, but it actually saved their company. Vince used the legit heat being thrown at him and created "Mr. McMahon", the evil CEO we all know and love. The rest is history.

StonedImmaculate said:

Phishanga said:

Can someone please explain the Montreal incident to me? What happened there? And is it certain it wasn't scripted?

Montreal Screwjob in a nutshell

Bret Hart won the WWF title from the Undertaker at Summerslam 97. Soon after Vince realized he could not afford to pay Bret the outlandish 20 year contract he had recently signed (this was prior to the Attitude Era...WWF was struggling). Vince allowed Bret to talk to other organizations (WCW) if he wanted to leave. Bret makes a deal with WCW and is on his way out...but he's still WWF champ.

Vince tells Bret to drop the title to Shawn Michaels at Survivor Series 97 in Montreal. Bret refuses due to legit heat between him and Michaels. Claiming his contract gave him "creative control" over his character for his last 30 days in the company, Bret agreed to drop the title to the Undertaker, Steve Austin...ANYONE but HBK. Vince reluctantly agrees and the plan was for Bret to beat Michaels in Montreal by DQ, then drop the title on RAW the next night.

During the match, HBK puts Bret in the sharpshooter. Bret was supposed to reverse it leading to HHH's interference and the planned DQ. Instead, as soon as Shawn puts Bret in the sharpshooter, Vince (at ringside) signals the ref to stop the match. Ref calls for the bell and Shawn Michaels "wins" the WWF title by "submission". It was painfully obvious to anyone watching that something was wrong...Bret lost his mind and spit a MASSIVE loogey straight in Vince's face before destroying everything in sight...announce tables, monitors, etc. Shawn Michaels acted as if he had no idea what was going to go down and had to be told by Vince to take the belt and go...he did, and acted so pissed about it.

Anyhoo...Vince got major heat for it. It could have been disastrous for the WWF, but it actually saved their company. Vince used the legit heat being thrown at him and created "Mr. McMahon", the evil CEO we all know and love. The rest is history.

I still remembered the episode. Shawn didn't look too pleased to just "walk away" with the title. He looked as upset as Bret over what Vince had done. Seeing Bret do that was real sad. That definitely wasn't scripted. That was how he felt. That's why he went nuts the way he did.