jseven said:

http://www.tmz.com/2011/0...australia/

WWE bad guy CM Punk was caught on camera screaming "You homo!" at a fan during a verbal altercation in Australia today ... this as the WWE has said repeatedly they are trying to curb homophobic slurs.



The wrestling organization works directly with GLAAD and even produced a series of anti-bullying commercials following incidents involving announcer Michael Cole and wrestler John Cena.

Calls to GLAAD and WWE were not returned.

(video of the incident, bought n paid for, on their site.)

The video of this is actually quite funny. He's giving that fan plenty of hell!!

The only reason WWE is going to act like they're appalled by this is to appease any possible advertisers who MAY raise an eyebrow to any negative publicity GLAAD may give them for not acting. The wrestling culture is NOT going to change when it comes to political correctness on issues such as this one. They'll just act like it has.

Anyway, there's an update on it now:

UPDATE: A rep for the WWE tells TMZ, "WWE does not condone this type of language or bias and we reinforce that with our talent who are independent contractors."

I HATE it how Vince now acts like all of his EMPLOYEES are "independent contractors"!! Um, no. They work for you Vince, so yes, you have to take responsibility for being their employer when you disagree with something they do/say. They tried to use the same logic with the Chris Benoit situation too.

Sigh....

CMPunk CM Punk

I'm glad TMZ posted that video because everybody needs to be held accountable for their bullshit, me included. What I said was bullshit.

1 hour ago

CMPunk CM Punk

...I'm embarrassed. I own up to being a total douche in this situation and I offer a sincere apology to anybody I hurt with careless words.

1 hour ago

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Sigh....

CMPunk CM Punk

I'm glad TMZ posted that video because everybody needs to be held accountable for their bullshit, me included. What I said was bullshit.

1 hour ago

CMPunk CM Punk

...I'm embarrassed. I own up to being a total douche in this situation and I offer a sincere apology to anybody I hurt with careless words.

1 hour ago

Wow Cm Punk is a hot mess.

The wrestlers are more interesting on twitter than the actual ring these days

I used this for another thread, but hey, far be it from me to leave it off this thread!

JerseyKRS said:

I used this for another thread, but hey, far be it from me to leave it off this thread!

Your contribution will not be forgotten.

So, did anyone see Raw on Monday? I read the spoilers, so I already knew the outcome, but I must say I'm kinda disappointed with where things went this past week. John Cena again kisses the audience's ass by saying, "Give the people what they want. They want to see Punk vs. Cena!!" He is so damn annoying that it's downright sickening. This went from being about CM Punk to now being abut Cena and if he keeps the title at MITB, cuz if he doesn't, he's then fired. Just like he was fired during the Nexus angle, Vince? Right.

We all know that Cena will either win outright at the PPV, or he'll lose the title and before the night is through, the MITB winner from earlier in the night will come out and pin Punk to win the title. Therefore, Punk will not leave the building with the title, which was McMahon's only stipulation for firing Cena. Yawn. I just hope Punk does something to REALLY make the night special, since it's allegedly his last night (which I'm still not 100% buying by the way). He did say via Twitter that he was gonna go out that night "with a bang".

Other than that angle, I'm wondering what they're gonna do with Zack Ryder coming out during the Nexus tag champs match. I read they're considering forming a new stable with just the three of them. They would stick him with those two losers, Otunga and McGillicuty (sp?).

ADR wins the #1 contender slot? Great. Here is again in the forefront, but he has gotten soooo stale lately. His promos are always the same. It's his destiny to be the champion, yadda yadda yadda. He comes out in some rented car that the announcers just happen to know the exact model and MSRP of right then and there. If he's truly so rich, why isn't he buying people off or flaunting his wealth even more? Why not give him vignettes of doing heelish shit to poor people in his mansion or on the street or audience?

And why didn't The Truth win the #1 slot? Does this mean he might win MITB (yeah right)? Del Rio doesn't need to win it because he's going to argue he already is due to the 3-way match he won on Monday. I can't see anyone else on that list on Raw's side to win the MITB. Miz already won it (though they've shown precedence before of having repeat winners), and Alex Riley is just waaaay too green to even be thinking about ANY title. Rey? Nope. Evan Bourne or Jack Swagger? Don't make me laugh. The Truth is the only logical choice, in my opinion, but I forgot...he's black so that means automatic disqualification.

alexnvrmnd777 said:

So, did anyone see Raw on Monday? I read the spoilers, so I already knew the outcome, but I must say I'm kinda disappointed with where things went this past week. John Cena again kisses the audience's ass by saying, "Give the people what they want. They want to see Punk vs. Cena!!" He is so damn annoying that it's downright sickening. This went from being about CM Punk to now being abut Cena and if he keeps the title at MITB, cuz if he doesn't, he's then fired. Just like he was fired during the Nexus angle, Vince? Right.

We all know that Cena will either win outright at the PPV, or he'll lose the title and before the night is through, the MITB winner from earlier in the night will come out and pin Punk to win the title. Therefore, Punk will not leave the building with the title, which was McMahon's only stipulation for firing Cena. Yawn. I just hope Punk does something to REALLY make the night special, since it's allegedly his last night (which I'm still not 100% buying by the way). He did say via Twitter that he was gonna go out that night "with a bang".

Other than that angle, I'm wondering what they're gonna do with Zack Ryder coming out during the Nexus tag champs match. I read they're considering forming a new stable with just the three of them. They would stick him with those two losers, Otunga and McGillicuty (sp?).

ADR wins the #1 contender slot? Great. Here is again in the forefront, but he has gotten soooo stale lately. His promos are always the same. It's his destiny to be the champion, yadda yadda yadda. He comes out in some rented car that the announcers just happen to know the exact model and MSRP of right then and there. If he's truly so rich, why isn't he buying people off or flaunting his wealth even more? Why not give him vignettes of doing heelish shit to poor people in his mansion or on the street or audience?

And why didn't The Truth win the #1 slot? Does this mean he might win MITB (yeah right)? Del Rio doesn't need to win it because he's going to argue he already is due to the 3-way match he won on Monday. I can't see anyone else on that list on Raw's side to win the MITB. Miz already won it (though they've shown precedence before of having repeat winners), and Alex Riley is just waaaay too green to even be thinking about ANY title. Rey? Nope. Evan Bourne or Jack Swagger? Don't make me laugh. The Truth is the only logical choice, in my opinion, but I forgot...he's black so that means automatic disqualification.

u mean when cena was fired but still managed 2 get front row seats and climb over the barricade and fuck with nexus? or when he was able 2 get backstage and continue 2 cause ruckus? gee i'd like a job like that!! lol

i keep waiting for big show 2 come out and exact his revenge on del rio properly but it never happens. so what they are going 2 forget about that angle and work on show vs henry?

and truth set it right talking about he should have had his rematch already (contract was messed up when everyone else gets that rematch clause for a championship but not truth)

L4OATheOriginal said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

So, did anyone see Raw on Monday? I read the spoilers, so I already knew the outcome, but I must say I'm kinda disappointed with where things went this past week. John Cena again kisses the audience's ass by saying, "Give the people what they want. They want to see Punk vs. Cena!!" He is so damn annoying that it's downright sickening. This went from being about CM Punk to now being abut Cena and if he keeps the title at MITB, cuz if he doesn't, he's then fired. Just like he was fired during the Nexus angle, Vince? Right.

We all know that Cena will either win outright at the PPV, or he'll lose the title and before the night is through, the MITB winner from earlier in the night will come out and pin Punk to win the title. Therefore, Punk will not leave the building with the title, which was McMahon's only stipulation for firing Cena. Yawn. I just hope Punk does something to REALLY make the night special, since it's allegedly his last night (which I'm still not 100% buying by the way). He did say via Twitter that he was gonna go out that night "with a bang".

Other than that angle, I'm wondering what they're gonna do with Zack Ryder coming out during the Nexus tag champs match. I read they're considering forming a new stable with just the three of them. They would stick him with those two losers, Otunga and McGillicuty (sp?).

ADR wins the #1 contender slot? Great. Here is again in the forefront, but he has gotten soooo stale lately. His promos are always the same. It's his destiny to be the champion, yadda yadda yadda. He comes out in some rented car that the announcers just happen to know the exact model and MSRP of right then and there. If he's truly so rich, why isn't he buying people off or flaunting his wealth even more? Why not give him vignettes of doing heelish shit to poor people in his mansion or on the street or audience?

And why didn't The Truth win the #1 slot? Does this mean he might win MITB (yeah right)? Del Rio doesn't need to win it because he's going to argue he already is due to the 3-way match he won on Monday. I can't see anyone else on that list on Raw's side to win the MITB. Miz already won it (though they've shown precedence before of having repeat winners), and Alex Riley is just waaaay too green to even be thinking about ANY title. Rey? Nope. Evan Bourne or Jack Swagger? Don't make me laugh. The Truth is the only logical choice, in my opinion, but I forgot...he's black so that means automatic disqualification.

u mean when cena was fired but still managed 2 get front row seats and climb over the barricade and fuck with nexus? or when he was able 2 get backstage and continue 2 cause ruckus? gee i'd like a job like that!! lol

i keep waiting for big show 2 come out and exact his revenge on del rio properly but it never happens. so what they are going 2 forget about that angle and work on show vs henry?

and truth set it right talking about he should have had his rematch already (contract was messed up when everyone else gets that rematch clause for a championship but not truth)

That whole Big Show/ADR was skraight booty! They mercifully ended that pretty quickly. I think they decided to end it when they had Ricardo come out as the Big Show and the whole segment drew nothing but tumbleweed and crickets. It absolutely SUCKED!

Speaking of Ricardo, he was the one who was really drawing heat from the crowd, and now he's gone. BRING BACK RICARDO! It doesn't sound right when Justin Roberts announces Del Rio.

alexnvrmnd777 said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

u mean when cena was fired but still managed 2 get front row seats and climb over the barricade and fuck with nexus? or when he was able 2 get backstage and continue 2 cause ruckus? gee i'd like a job like that!! lol

i keep waiting for big show 2 come out and exact his revenge on del rio properly but it never happens. so what they are going 2 forget about that angle and work on show vs henry?

and truth set it right talking about he should have had his rematch already (contract was messed up when everyone else gets that rematch clause for a championship but not truth)

That whole Big Show/ADR was skraight booty! They mercifully ended that pretty quickly. I think they decided to end it when they had Ricardo come out as the Big Show and the whole segment drew nothing but tumbleweed and crickets. It absolutely SUCKED!

Speaking of Ricardo, he was the one who was really drawing heat from the crowd, and now he's gone. BRING BACK RICARDO! It doesn't sound right when Justin Roberts announces Del Rio.

well he's no lillian garcia lol ..and mostly when a sidekick is withsomeone and they don't wrestle, it's only a matter of time b4 they go bye bye

alexnvrmnd777 said:

So, did anyone see Raw on Monday? I read the spoilers, so I already knew the outcome, but I must say I'm kinda disappointed with where things went this past week. John Cena again kisses the audience's ass by saying, "Give the people what they want. They want to see Punk vs. Cena!!" He is so damn annoying that it's downright sickening. This went from being about CM Punk to now being abut Cena and if he keeps the title at MITB, cuz if he doesn't, he's then fired. Just like he was fired during the Nexus angle, Vince? Right.

We all know that Cena will either win outright at the PPV, or he'll lose the title and before the night is through, the MITB winner from earlier in the night will come out and pin Punk to win the title. Therefore, Punk will not leave the building with the title, which was McMahon's only stipulation for firing Cena. Yawn. I just hope Punk does something to REALLY make the night special, since it's allegedly his last night (which I'm still not 100% buying by the way). He did say via Twitter that he was gonna go out that night "with a bang".

Other than that angle, I'm wondering what they're gonna do with Zack Ryder coming out during the Nexus tag champs match. I read they're considering forming a new stable with just the three of them. They would stick him with those two losers, Otunga and McGillicuty (sp?).

ADR wins the #1 contender slot? Great. Here is again in the forefront, but he has gotten soooo stale lately. His promos are always the same. It's his destiny to be the champion, yadda yadda yadda. He comes out in some rented car that the announcers just happen to know the exact model and MSRP of right then and there. If he's truly so rich, why isn't he buying people off or flaunting his wealth even more? Why not give him vignettes of doing heelish shit to poor people in his mansion or on the street or audience?

And why didn't The Truth win the #1 slot? Does this mean he might win MITB (yeah right)? Del Rio doesn't need to win it because he's going to argue he already is due to the 3-way match he won on Monday. I can't see anyone else on that list on Raw's side to win the MITB. Miz already won it (though they've shown precedence before of having repeat winners), and Alex Riley is just waaaay too green to even be thinking about ANY title. Rey? Nope. Evan Bourne or Jack Swagger? Don't make me laugh. The Truth is the only logical choice, in my opinion, but I forgot...he's black so that means automatic disqualification.

With that one promo, they ruined any momentum they had going for them. He basically did the same thing he does EVERY WEEK

bboy87 said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

So, did anyone see Raw on Monday? I read the spoilers, so I already knew the outcome, but I must say I'm kinda disappointed with where things went this past week. John Cena again kisses the audience's ass by saying, "Give the people what they want. They want to see Punk vs. Cena!!" He is so damn annoying that it's downright sickening. This went from being about CM Punk to now being abut Cena and if he keeps the title at MITB, cuz if he doesn't, he's then fired. Just like he was fired during the Nexus angle, Vince? Right.

We all know that Cena will either win outright at the PPV, or he'll lose the title and before the night is through, the MITB winner from earlier in the night will come out and pin Punk to win the title. Therefore, Punk will not leave the building with the title, which was McMahon's only stipulation for firing Cena. Yawn. I just hope Punk does something to REALLY make the night special, since it's allegedly his last night (which I'm still not 100% buying by the way). He did say via Twitter that he was gonna go out that night "with a bang".

Other than that angle, I'm wondering what they're gonna do with Zack Ryder coming out during the Nexus tag champs match. I read they're considering forming a new stable with just the three of them. They would stick him with those two losers, Otunga and McGillicuty (sp?).

ADR wins the #1 contender slot? Great. Here is again in the forefront, but he has gotten soooo stale lately. His promos are always the same. It's his destiny to be the champion, yadda yadda yadda. He comes out in some rented car that the announcers just happen to know the exact model and MSRP of right then and there. If he's truly so rich, why isn't he buying people off or flaunting his wealth even more? Why not give him vignettes of doing heelish shit to poor people in his mansion or on the street or audience?

And why didn't The Truth win the #1 slot? Does this mean he might win MITB (yeah right)? Del Rio doesn't need to win it because he's going to argue he already is due to the 3-way match he won on Monday. I can't see anyone else on that list on Raw's side to win the MITB. Miz already won it (though they've shown precedence before of having repeat winners), and Alex Riley is just waaaay too green to even be thinking about ANY title. Rey? Nope. Evan Bourne or Jack Swagger? Don't make me laugh. The Truth is the only logical choice, in my opinion, but I forgot...he's black so that means automatic disqualification.

With that one promo, they ruined any momentum they had going for them. He basically did the same thing he does EVERY WEEK

And there you go. All of Cena's promos are the same, and the ass kissing of the "WWE Universe" gets really annoying. "Give the people what they want!" Yeah, why don't you give the majority of us what we want and turn your ass heel or just simply take a vacay?

L4OATheOriginal said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

That whole Big Show/ADR was skraight booty! They mercifully ended that pretty quickly. I think they decided to end it when they had Ricardo come out as the Big Show and the whole segment drew nothing but tumbleweed and crickets. It absolutely SUCKED!

Speaking of Ricardo, he was the one who was really drawing heat from the crowd, and now he's gone. BRING BACK RICARDO! It doesn't sound right when Justin Roberts announces Del Rio.

well he's no lillian garcia lol ..and mostly when a sidekick is withsomeone and they don't wrestle, it's only a matter of time b4 they go bye bye

Well, to be fair, Ricardo is in fact a wrestler himself. He wrestles in the WWE developmental system, FCW, even now. So, he could definitely handle a match. In fact, do you remember on Raw when he dropkicked somebody in the ring when ADR and some others were on the mic arguing about who the #1 contender was. This was back in May, I believe.

alexnvrmnd777 said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

well he's no lillian garcia lol ..and mostly when a sidekick is withsomeone and they don't wrestle, it's only a matter of time b4 they go bye bye

Well, to be fair, Ricardo is in fact a wrestler himself. He wrestles in the WWE developmental system, FCW, even now. So, he could definitely handle a match. In fact, do you remember on Raw when he dropkicked somebody in the ring when ADR and some others were on the mic arguing about who the #1 contender was. This was back in May, I believe.

well that well where he could be honing his skills more. i remember bautista being devon's sidekick then bautista busted loose. same can be said for ezekel being brian hendrick's henchman.

L4OATheOriginal said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Well, to be fair, Ricardo is in fact a wrestler himself. He wrestles in the WWE developmental system, FCW, even now. So, he could definitely handle a match. In fact, do you remember on Raw when he dropkicked somebody in the ring when ADR and some others were on the mic arguing about who the #1 contender was. This was back in May, I believe.

well that well where he could be honing his skills more. i remember bautista being devon's sidekick then bautista busted loose. same can be said for ezekel being brian hendrick's henchman.

Yeah, I think Batista's name in OVW was Leviathan, or something like that. I'm just wondering why they'd send Ricardo down for more "seasoning" when he never even wrestled yet to the WWE his skills. He's just been announcing this whole time.

I still think they sent him back down there because he was getting more heat from the crowd than ADR. Lol!

Anyway, another one glaring absence in the WWE is the lack of tag teams. And I mean REAL tag teams, and not two wrestlers they just stuck together for a couple of weeks. The only real one they have now is The Usos. They should build the division up a helluva lot more (one real name, somewhat matching outfits, a real gimmick, etc...), and that way, they could give more wrestlers more TV time because there are two to a team (of course). It'd be a win-win situation.

alexnvrmnd777 said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

well that well where he could be honing his skills more. i remember bautista being devon's sidekick then bautista busted loose. same can be said for ezekel being brian hendrick's henchman.

Yeah, I think Batista's name in OVW was Leviathan, or something like that. I'm just wondering why they'd send Ricardo down for more "seasoning" when he never even wrestled yet to the WWE his skills. He's just been announcing this whole time.

I still think they sent him back down there because he was getting more heat from the crowd than ADR. Lol!

Anyway, another one glaring absence in the WWE is the lack of tag teams. And I mean REAL tag teams, and not two wrestlers they just stuck together for a couple of weeks. The only real one they have now is The Usos. They should build the division up a helluva lot more (one real name, somewhat matching outfits, a real gimmick, etc...), and that way, they could give more wrestlers more TV time because there are two to a team (of course). It'd be a win-win situation.

yeah i agree with the tag team division ..like how u see it in TNA with beer money and some other teams.

L4OATheOriginal said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Yeah, I think Batista's name in OVW was Leviathan, or something like that. I'm just wondering why they'd send Ricardo down for more "seasoning" when he never even wrestled yet to the WWE his skills. He's just been announcing this whole time.

I still think they sent him back down there because he was getting more heat from the crowd than ADR. Lol!

Anyway, another one glaring absence in the WWE is the lack of tag teams. And I mean REAL tag teams, and not two wrestlers they just stuck together for a couple of weeks. The only real one they have now is The Usos. They should build the division up a helluva lot more (one real name, somewhat matching outfits, a real gimmick, etc...), and that way, they could give more wrestlers more TV time because there are two to a team (of course). It'd be a win-win situation.

yeah i agree with the tag team division ..like how u see it in TNA with beer money and some other teams.

Exactamundo. I'll at least give TNA credit for what they do with tag teams and just overall for the X Division. That division is almost all non-former WWE employees and they're trying to make a name for themselves there and not what they USED to be. Plus, they're not lumbering giants like some of the ex WWers are.

alexnvrmnd777 said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

yeah i agree with the tag team division ..like how u see it in TNA with beer money and some other teams.

Exactamundo. I'll at least give TNA credit for what they do with tag teams and just overall for the X Division. That division is almost all non-former WWE employees and they're trying to make a name for themselves there and not what they USED to be. Plus, they're not lumbering giants like some of the ex WWers are.

yeah i'm liking the x division in what they are doing with it. high flyers doing more dangerous moves then the "safe WWE". but then no one wants 2 take the bumps.

lumbering giants lol ..u mean like steiner?

alexnvrmnd777 said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

yeah i agree with the tag team division ..like how u see it in TNA with beer money and some other teams.

Exactamundo. I'll at least give TNA credit for what they do with tag teams and just overall for the X Division. That division is almost all non-former WWE employees and they're trying to make a name for themselves there and not what they USED to be. Plus, they're not lumbering giants like some of the ex WWers are.

I remember when TNA first started and the X Division was one of their highest selling points. The guys were straight from the indies or had success in Mexico, Japan, and the UK so TNA's PPVs (before they got the deal with Spike) were their introduction to US tv audiences. Those matches were high on intensity. They were doing things I had never seen before, but unfortunately, the X Division has taken a back seat for the past 2 years....I mean, look at who's the champion now! Abyss?! Quite possibly one of the worst workers on their rosters, not to mention corny

bboy87 said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Exactamundo. I'll at least give TNA credit for what they do with tag teams and just overall for the X Division. That division is almost all non-former WWE employees and they're trying to make a name for themselves there and not what they USED to be. Plus, they're not lumbering giants like some of the ex WWers are.

I remember when TNA first started and the X Division was one of their highest selling points. The guys were straight from the indies or had success in Mexico, Japan, and the UK so TNA's PPVs (before they got the deal with Spike) were their introduction to US tv audiences. Those matches were high on intensity. They were doing things I had never seen before, but unfortunately, the X Division has taken a back seat for the past 2 years....I mean, look at who's the champion now! Abyss?! Quite possibly one of the worst workers on their rosters, not to mention corny

Abyss is definitely one of the ones I was referring to when I said "lumbering". Lol! Steiner too, L4OA! How is a big ass joke like that going to be the X Division champ??

I also like what they're doing with the Bound For Glory point system concept. Yes, I know this isn't the first time this has been done, but at least it's something a little different. It's not your typical tournament-style bracket system. Personally, I hope my boy The Pope wins. If he can just ditch the Booker T hair and give him some more mic time, it'll be all good. Yeah, I mark for GOOD black wrestlers. Ezekiel, this does NOT include you.

About the ONLY thing the WWE has going for it now is the whole CM Punk situation, and that may be over just like that come the 18th. Lol! And if it's not, they'll find some way to completely fuck it up. They always do, and as a matter of fact, they've already started!

alexnvrmnd777 said:

bboy87 said:

I remember when TNA first started and the X Division was one of their highest selling points. The guys were straight from the indies or had success in Mexico, Japan, and the UK so TNA's PPVs (before they got the deal with Spike) were their introduction to US tv audiences. Those matches were high on intensity. They were doing things I had never seen before, but unfortunately, the X Division has taken a back seat for the past 2 years....I mean, look at who's the champion now! Abyss?! Quite possibly one of the worst workers on their rosters, not to mention corny

Abyss is definitely one of the ones I was referring to when I said "lumbering". Lol! Steiner too, L4OA! How is a big ass joke like that going to be the X Division champ??

I also like what they're doing with the Bound For Glory point system concept. Yes, I know this isn't the first time this has been done, but at least it's something a little different. It's not your typical tournament-style bracket system. Personally, I hope my boy The Pope wins. If he can just ditch the Booker T hair and give him some more mic time, it'll be all good. Yeah, I mark for GOOD black wrestlers. Ezekiel, this does NOT include you.

About the ONLY thing the WWE has going for it now is the whole CM Punk situation, and that may be over just like that come the 18th. Lol! And if it's not, they'll find some way to completely fuck it up. They always do, and as a matter of fact, they've already started!

the Bound For Glory tournament sounded similar....then I remembered they did something similar at one of the Starrcades. I googled and yep, it was Starrcade '89 when Sting won it and then joined the Horsemen

Wow! Can you believe that this was exactly 10 years ago today??!?! Damn, how time flies!!

This whole Invasion angle had SOOOO much potential! And it ended up sucking major donkey balls. Why? All because of Vince's ego. He just had to book the WWF group to always come out on top and be the "better" faction. He likes to say he does things that're "good for the business", but this is clearly one time (and there have been plenty others, too) where it was only good for his massive ego.

alexnvrmnd777 said:

bboy87 said:

I remember when TNA first started and the X Division was one of their highest selling points. The guys were straight from the indies or had success in Mexico, Japan, and the UK so TNA's PPVs (before they got the deal with Spike) were their introduction to US tv audiences. Those matches were high on intensity. They were doing things I had never seen before, but unfortunately, the X Division has taken a back seat for the past 2 years....I mean, look at who's the champion now! Abyss?! Quite possibly one of the worst workers on their rosters, not to mention corny

Abyss is definitely one of the ones I was referring to when I said "lumbering". Lol! Steiner too, L4OA! How is a big ass joke like that going to be the X Division champ??

I also like what they're doing with the Bound For Glory point system concept. Yes, I know this isn't the first time this has been done, but at least it's something a little different. It's not your typical tournament-style bracket system. Personally, I hope my boy The Pope wins. If he can just ditch the Booker T hair and give him some more mic time, it'll be all good. Yeah, I mark for GOOD black wrestlers. Ezekiel, this does NOT include you.

About the ONLY thing the WWE has going for it now is the whole CM Punk situation, and that may be over just like that come the 18th. Lol! And if it's not, they'll find some way to completely fuck it up. They always do, and as a matter of fact, they've already started!

abyss is a joke your right about that. and the way WWE is going i'm trembling 2 see what they come up with for summerslam

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Wow! Can you believe that this was exactly 10 years ago today??!?! Damn, how time flies!!

This whole Invasion angle had SOOOO much potential! And it ended up sucking major donkey balls. Why? All because of Vince's ego. He just had to book the WWF group to always come out on top and be the "better" faction. He likes to say he does things that're "good for the business", but this is clearly one time (and there have been plenty others, too) where it was only good for his massive ego.

the invasion angle was GREAT and u can see just how much REAL TALENT vince had at his disposal but the minute where WWF guys were winning WCW titles and ECW titles that's when it went to shit imo. And then the moment Vince branched off ECW and made it less than extreme really sucked ass!

L4OATheOriginal said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Wow! Can you believe that this was exactly 10 years ago today??!?! Damn, how time flies!!

This whole Invasion angle had SOOOO much potential! And it ended up sucking major donkey balls. Why? All because of Vince's ego. He just had to book the WWF group to always come out on top and be the "better" faction. He likes to say he does things that're "good for the business", but this is clearly one time (and there have been plenty others, too) where it was only good for his massive ego.

the invasion angle was GREAT and u can see just how much REAL TALENT vince had at his disposal but the minute where WWF guys were winning WCW titles and ECW titles that's when it went to shit imo. And then the moment Vince branched off ECW and made it less than extreme really sucked ass!

The moment he turned ECW into the WWE's own nationally televised farm/developmental system (like what OVW was or FCW currently is) was when it lacked any excitement at all. Was this what caused Heyman to ultimately leave, or did this happen because he left? I really wasn't paying too much attention back in the middle part of last decade (though I have seen the One Night Stand PPVs).

And you're right about the different guys winning the different titles. For example, Christian was the ECW Heavyweight champ, yet that's not acknowledged by the WWE now as a legit heavyweight championship. They say it took him 17 years to win the big one, and he lost it 5 days later, which was all a couple of months ago. Lol! Way to bury your talent and intellectual properties, Vince.

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alexnvrmnd777 said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

the invasion angle was GREAT and u can see just how much REAL TALENT vince had at his disposal but the minute where WWF guys were winning WCW titles and ECW titles that's when it went to shit imo. And then the moment Vince branched off ECW and made it less than extreme really sucked ass!

The moment he turned ECW into the WWE's own nationally televised farm/developmental system (like what OVW was or FCW currently is) was when it lacked any excitement at all. Was this what caused Heyman to ultimately leave, or did this happen because he left? I really wasn't paying too much attention back in the middle part of last decade (though I have seen the One Night Stand PPVs).

And you're right about the different guys winning the different titles. For example, Christian was the ECW Heavywieght champ, yet that's not acknowledgd by the WWE now as a legit heavyweight championship. They say it took him 17 years to win the big, and he lost it 5 days later, which was all a couple of months ago. Lol! Way to bury your talent and intellectual properties, Vince.

it's a stretch of an idea but back when the invasion happend, there was still velocity and some other show, vince could have drafted all the WWF talent and put them on raw and velocity and alloed smackdown to become wcw/ecw talent imo

L4OATheOriginal said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

The moment he turned ECW into the WWE's own nationally televised farm/developmental system (like what OVW was or FCW currently is) was when it lacked any excitement at all. Was this what caused Heyman to ultimately leave, or did this happen because he left? I really wasn't paying too much attention back in the middle part of last decade (though I have seen the One Night Stand PPVs).

And you're right about the different guys winning the different titles. For example, Christian was the ECW Heavyweight champ, yet that's not acknowledged by the WWE now as a legit heavyweight championship. They say it took him 17 years to win the big one, and he lost it 5 days later, which was all a couple of months ago. Lol! Way to bury your talent and intellectual properties, Vince.

it's a stretch of an idea but back when the invasion happend, there was still velocity and some other show, vince could have drafted all the WWF talent and put them on raw and velocity and alloed smackdown to become wcw/ecw talent imo

Yeah, that was when the roster was easily able to sustain a real brand extension. Chock full of real talent!

I know that when they initially purchased WCW, they were going to do just this. They were gonna turn Smackdown into WCW. But Booker T and Buff Bagwell had a God awful match on Raw, and they made the decision that the performers weren't ready to carry a show by themselves and shelved that idea. They weren't wrestling in the "WWF style", as they say. Here's the match:

Have you gotten a chance to check out that new Best Of Nitro DVD yet?? I downloaded it, and I'm just starting the second disc.

alexnvrmnd777 said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

it's a stretch of an idea but back when the invasion happend, there was still velocity and some other show, vince could have drafted all the WWF talent and put them on raw and velocity and alloed smackdown to become wcw/ecw talent imo

Yeah, that was when the roster was easily able to sustain a real brand extension. Chock full of real talent!

I know that when they initially purchased WCW, they were going to do just this. They were gonna turn Smackdown into WCW. But Booker T and Buff Bagwell had a God awful match on Raw, and they made the decision that the performers weren't ready to carry a show by themselves and shelved that idea. They weren't wrestling in the "WWF style", as they say. Here's the match:

Have you gotten a chance to check out that new Best Of Nitro DVD yet?? I downloaded it, and I'm just starting the second disc.

The thing about when WWE bought WCW, they didn't get the "big names" the invasion involved a 2 of 3 big names (DDP, Booker T) and then the midcarders

Sting, Nash, Mysterio, Goldberg, and the others had contracts with Time Warner so the WCW invasion wasn't complete

Something that would've been interesting would've been if WCW and ECW invaded and in the midst of the battle, WWE, WCW, and ECW wrestlers all joined forces against the bosses

babybugz said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Sigh....

Wow Cm Punk is a hot mess.

For real.

bboy87 said:

The thing about when WWE bought WCW, they didn't get the "big names" the invasion involved a 2 of 3 big names (DDP, Booker T) and then the midcarders

Sting, Nash, Mysterio, Goldberg, and the others had contracts with Time Warner so the WCW invasion wasn't complete

Something that would've been interesting would've been if WCW and ECW invaded and in the midst of the battle, WWE, WCW, and ECW wrestlers all joined forces against the bosses

Well, when they bought WCW, they (WWE) then had the right to buy the contracts of whoever they chose. Those Time Warner contracts could've been "broken" if the wrestlers themselves wanted them too, but like you said, a lot of the big names decided to accept the buy out and not go directly into WWE (on top of WWE not wanting to spend that kind of guaranteed money on them). And that lack of star power DEFINITELY hurt their chances of being their "own" show.

Have you peeped the Nitro DVD yet, bboy?