Timmy84 said:

SCNDLS said:

People are funny and seem to want to ignore the fact that Dallas has OWNED the Heat since losing in 06. They've played 14 times in the last 5 years and Dallas won every single game, including the 2 this season one of which busted Miami's 12-game winning streak. Yeah, I know the playoffs are different but a 14-0 record + Dirk playing the way he is in these playoffs = Dallas' 1st championship (I hope)

HEY!

Hey, Timmy!

This is NOT good.

Nowitzki tore tendons in his left middle finger on a defensive play during the Mavericks 92-84 loss to the Miami Heat in Game 1 of the NBA Finals. Although Nowitzki is a right handed shooter, ESPN NBA analyst Tim Legler said this injury is more significant than Nowitzki is letting on during an interview with ESPN's Mike and Mike in the Morning show.

uPtoWnNY said:

Layzie said:

Damn, I'm starting to believe what some people are saying about Miami now.

If they stay healthy, the rest of the league doesn't stand a chance for the next few years.

They are clicking on all cylinders. They go into beast mode every 4th quarter.

Once Miami gets better bench players and becomes a complete team, the rest of the league better watch out.

The NBA has always been star-driven - you need at least two to become a legit playoff contender. All the hate for Lebron/Wade/Bosh is really tired. I didn't hear this whining about past superteams(Wilt's Lakers, the Showtime Lakers, Bird's Celtics, Moses & Dr.J's Sixers, Jordan's Bulls or the current Celtics). Lebron did what any American citizen has the right to do - to work wherever he wants.

[Edited 5/31/11 21:26pm]

Yup, it cracks me up how some cats have been bitchin' about Lebron joining forces with Wade & Bosh and forget that most of the all time great teams had the same multiple all star make up.

Abdul said:

uPtoWnNY said:

Once Miami gets better bench players and becomes a complete team, the rest of the league better watch out.

The NBA has always been star-driven - you need at least two to become a legit playoff contender. All the hate for Lebron/Wade/Bosh is really tired. I didn't hear this whining about past superteams(Wilt's Lakers, the Showtime Lakers, Bird's Celtics, Moses & Dr.J's Sixers, Jordan's Bulls or the current Celtics). Lebron did what any American citizen has the right to do - to work wherever he wants.

[Edited 5/31/11 21:26pm]

Yup, it cracks me up how some cats have been bitchin' about Lebron joining forces with Wade & Bosh and forget that most of the all time great teams had the same multiple all star make up.

True. I think expansion has a lot to do with it. By my rough count, 7 teams have been added since the end of the Bird-Magic era. That has spread the players out somewhat to the point that it is getting rarer to see teams with more than 1 superstar in his prime.

Far be it from a Laker fan like me to complain about that. During my lifetime, the team had West and Wilt in the 70's, Magic, Kareem and Worthy in the 80's, and Shaq and Kobe in the 00's!

Now if another team can get a trio to match that star power/production (the Knicks, Bulls and Lakers being in the best position to pull it off due to profile, cap space, or tradeable assets) then the NBA's future will be bright.

SCNDLS said:

babynoz said:

Hey!

How'd you sneak into town? I shoulda known you was behind that SOBE melee last weekend,

Imma look for you on TV tonight...GO HEATS!

Gurl, I didn't get to town til Monday. I KNOW that was your cuzzin's an nem shootin' up Ocean Drive.

The countdown has certainly begun for Urban Beach Week cuz they did the fool!

Chile, yo' peoples can forget SOBE...folks is fed up.

Abdul said:

uPtoWnNY said:

Once Miami gets better bench players and becomes a complete team, the rest of the league better watch out.

The NBA has always been star-driven - you need at least two to become a legit playoff contender. All the hate for Lebron/Wade/Bosh is really tired. I didn't hear this whining about past superteams(Wilt's Lakers, the Showtime Lakers, Bird's Celtics, Moses & Dr.J's Sixers, Jordan's Bulls or the current Celtics). Lebron did what any American citizen has the right to do - to work wherever he wants.

[Edited 5/31/11 21:26pm]

Yup, it cracks me up how some cats have been bitchin' about Lebron joining forces with Wade & Bosh and forget that most of the all time great teams had the same multiple all star make up.

I've been pointing this out in this thread for a minute.

Abdul said:

uPtoWnNY said:

Once Miami gets better bench players and becomes a complete team, the rest of the league better watch out.

The NBA has always been star-driven - you need at least two to become a legit playoff contender. All the hate for Lebron/Wade/Bosh is really tired. I didn't hear this whining about past superteams(Wilt's Lakers, the Showtime Lakers, Bird's Celtics, Moses & Dr.J's Sixers, Jordan's Bulls or the current Celtics). Lebron did what any American citizen has the right to do - to work wherever he wants.

[Edited 5/31/11 21:26pm]

Yup, it cracks me up how some cats have been bitchin' about Lebron joining forces with Wade & Bosh and forget that most of the all time great teams had the same multiple all star make up.

Exactly. Funny how it's okay for owners to buy, sell and trade these dudes like cattle but it's somehow wrong for them to make their own career decisions?

The hate is totally uncalled for.

SCNDLS said:

Timmy84 said:

HEY!

Hey, Timmy!

Glad to see you here every now and then. How's life treatin' ya?

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SHAQ is gone

LittleBLUECorvette said:

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SHAQ is gone

Was wondering when he was gonna announce it. I was sure he was gonna retire last year when the Cavaliers were snuffed out of being at the 2010 finals.

[Edited 6/1/11 20:28pm]

Timmy84 said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

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SHAQ is gone

Was wondering when he was gonna announce it. I was sure he was gonna retire last year when the Cavaliers were snuffed out of being at the 2010 finals.

[Edited 6/1/11 20:28pm]

Sad. The last big name to retire was Gary Payton back in 07.

Were does he rank as an All-Time Center?

Wilt

Alcindor

Russell

Shaq

Dream

Mo Malone

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Timmy84 said:

Was wondering when he was gonna announce it. I was sure he was gonna retire last year when the Cavaliers were snuffed out of being at the 2010 finals.

[Edited 6/1/11 20:28pm]

Sad. The last big name to retire was Gary Payton back in 07.

Were does he rank as an All-Time Center?

Wilt

Alcindor

Russell

Shaq

Dream

Mo Malone

That's about correct.

Timmy84 said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

[img:$uid]http://celticshub.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/pg2_g_shaq_magic_300.jpg[/img:$uid]

SHAQ is gone

Was wondering when he was gonna announce it. I was sure he was gonna retire last year when the Cavaliers were snuffed out of being at the 2010 finals.

[Edited 6/1/11 20:28pm]

It was time...he had a good run.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Timmy84 said:

Was wondering when he was gonna announce it. I was sure he was gonna retire last year when the Cavaliers were snuffed out of being at the 2010 finals.

[Edited 6/1/11 20:28pm]

Sad. The last big name to retire was Gary Payton back in 07.

Were does he rank as an All-Time Center?

Wilt

Alcindor

Russell

Shaq

Dream

Mo Malone

Shaq ranks behind Wilt, Russell, Kareem, Hakeem & Moses Malone. Look up Malone's numbers especially his rebounds - better than Shaq's. Shaq's not a Top 10 player, but definitely Top 20. I thought at times, he got lazy and didn't always keep himself in better shape.

[Edited 6/1/11 22:07pm]

Abdul said:

Yup, it cracks me up how some cats have been bitchin' about Lebron joining forces with Wade & Bosh and forget that most of the all time great teams had the same multiple all star make up.

I criticize Lebron and his handlers for the circus they created. Classless and unecessary.

I heard Kevin McHale will be the next Rockets coach.

Abdul said:

uPtoWnNY said:

Once Miami gets better bench players and becomes a complete team, the rest of the league better watch out.

The NBA has always been star-driven - you need at least two to become a legit playoff contender. All the hate for Lebron/Wade/Bosh is really tired. I didn't hear this whining about past superteams(Wilt's Lakers, the Showtime Lakers, Bird's Celtics, Moses & Dr.J's Sixers, Jordan's Bulls or the current Celtics). Lebron did what any American citizen has the right to do - to work wherever he wants.

[Edited 5/31/11 21:26pm]

Yup, it cracks me up how some cats have been bitchin' about Lebron joining forces with Wade & Bosh and forget that most of the all time great teams had the same multiple all star make up.

Those teams got their players the old fashion was, through the draft or a major trade. Not three divas joining forces. These players have been discussing this some time before they even got together, like they had planned this.

People bring of other teams from the past like the Lakers, Celtics, ect.

The current Celtics was built from the draft (Pierce, Rondo, Perkins) and majore trades (Allen traded on draft night for Delonte West and picks that would be Jeff Grenn and Baby Davis and Garnett traded for like half the roster.) They also didn't plan to join forces and waited untill years of trying for theor respective franchise the Wolves, Sonics and Celtics. They were also past their playing prime but still above average.

The Bulls was bulit on the draft and trades (the second three peat.) Jordan, Pippen (from a draft day trade for Olden Polyniece ... oops and Horace Grant.) The second three peat started after MJ came from baseball. They picked up Rodman for Will Perdue and cash.

The 80s Lakers was built from the draft and trades. Kareem had been with the Lakers since the mid 70s while Magic was still in high school. Norm Nixon was drafted in 77. Magic was drafted by the Lakers in 79, Worthy in 82, B Scott in 83 and AC Green in 85.

The 80s Celtics was built from the draft and trades. Bird was drafted in 78, Robert Parish came from a trade with the Warriors in exchange for Joe Barry Carrol. Parish wasn't some all-star when they got him, he was an after thought. Carroll was the number 1 pick in that years draft. With him also came a pick that would turn out to be Kevin McHale. DJ came in a trade in 1983.

The late 60s Lakers was built from the draft and trades. Elgin Baylor and Jerry West were dratfted by the franchise in 58 and 60. Wilt came in a trade in 1968 for 3 players and cash.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Abdul said:

Yup, it cracks me up how some cats have been bitchin' about Lebron joining forces with Wade & Bosh and forget that most of the all time great teams had the same multiple all star make up.

Those teams got their players the old fashion was, through the draft or a major trade. Not three divas joining forces. These players have been discussing this some time before they even got together, like they had planned this.

People bring of other teams from the past like the Lakers, Celtics, ect.

The current Celtics was built from the draft (Pierce, Rondo, Perkins) and majore trades (Allen traded on draft night for Delonte West and picks that would be Jeff Grenn and Baby Davis and Garnett traded for like half the roster.) They also didn't plan to join forces and waited untill years of trying for theor respective franchise the Wolves, Sonics and Celtics. They were also past their playing prime but still above average.

The Bulls was bulit on the draft and trades (the second three peat.) Jordan, Pippen (from a draft day trade for Olden Polyniece ... oops and Horace Grant.) The second three peat started after MJ came from baseball. They picked up Rodman for Will Perdue and cash.

The 80s Lakers was built from the draft and trades. Kareem had been with the Lakers since the mid 70s while Magic was still in high school. Norm Nixon was drafted in 77. Magic was drafted by the Lakers in 79, Worthy in 82, B Scott in 83 and AC Green in 85.

The 80s Celtics was built from the draft and trades. Bird was drafted in 78, Robert Parish came from a trade with the Warriors in exchange for Joe Barry Carrol. Parish wasn't some all-star when they got him, he was an after thought. Carroll was the number 1 pick in that years draft. With him also came a pick that would turn out to be Kevin McHale. DJ came in a trade in 1983.

The late 60s Lakers was built from the draft and trades. Elgin Baylor and Jerry West were dratfted by the franchise in 58 and 60. Wilt came in a trade in 1968 for 3 players and cash.

I'm older then u LBC so I already know how those great teams from the past were put together

Who cares how this Heat team came together, fact remains that they are 3 wins away from an NBA title, I'd say they planned things just right!

uPtoWnNY said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Sad. The last big name to retire was Gary Payton back in 07.

Were does he rank as an All-Time Center?

Wilt

Alcindor

Russell

Shaq

Dream

Mo Malone

Shaq ranks behind Wilt, Russell, Kareem, Hakeem & Moses Malone. Look up Malone's numbers especially his rebounds - better than Shaq's. Shaq's not a Top 10 player, but definitely Top 20. I thought at times, he got lazy and didn't always keep himself in better shape.

[Edited 6/1/11 22:07pm]

So glad that somebody else, realized this....

Abdul said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Those teams got their players the old fashion was, through the draft or a major trade. Not three divas joining forces. These players have been discussing this some time before they even got together, like they had planned this.

People bring of other teams from the past like the Lakers, Celtics, ect.

The current Celtics was built from the draft (Pierce, Rondo, Perkins) and majore trades (Allen traded on draft night for Delonte West and picks that would be Jeff Grenn and Baby Davis and Garnett traded for like half the roster.) They also didn't plan to join forces and waited untill years of trying for theor respective franchise the Wolves, Sonics and Celtics. They were also past their playing prime but still above average.

The Bulls was bulit on the draft and trades (the second three peat.) Jordan, Pippen (from a draft day trade for Olden Polyniece ... oops and Horace Grant.) The second three peat started after MJ came from baseball. They picked up Rodman for Will Perdue and cash.

The 80s Lakers was built from the draft and trades. Kareem had been with the Lakers since the mid 70s while Magic was still in high school. Norm Nixon was drafted in 77. Magic was drafted by the Lakers in 79, Worthy in 82, B Scott in 83 and AC Green in 85.

The 80s Celtics was built from the draft and trades. Bird was drafted in 78, Robert Parish came from a trade with the Warriors in exchange for Joe Barry Carrol. Parish wasn't some all-star when they got him, he was an after thought. Carroll was the number 1 pick in that years draft. With him also came a pick that would turn out to be Kevin McHale. DJ came in a trade in 1983.

The late 60s Lakers was built from the draft and trades. Elgin Baylor and Jerry West were dratfted by the franchise in 58 and 60. Wilt came in a trade in 1968 for 3 players and cash.

I'm older then u LBC so I already know how those great teams from the past were put together

Who cares how this Heat team came together, fact remains that they are 3 wins away from an NBA title, I'd say they planned things just right!

I find it interesting how some forget that Payton and Malone did this very same thing, for the very same reason some years ago. The fact of the matter is, Lebron was NOT going to win a championship where he was, with the players he had. He served his time and he choose to move on.

I wanna know who the hell pissed in Kareem's wheaties, cuz that fool been on a rampage lately.

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar’s nasty open letter to Scottie Pippen

In a nearly two-week span, former Lakers center Kareem Abdul-Jabbar went from questioning the Lakers' loyalty to questioning Scottie Pippen's claim that LeBron James "may be the greatest player to ever play."

After arguing that the Lakers' failure to honor him with a statue serves as an example of the team disrespecting him, the NBA's all-time leading scorer is now arguing Pippen's willingness to prop up James on the heels of the Heat-Mavericks NBA Finals matchup reflects his lack of appreciation for NBA greats such as Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Russell and even Pippen's former teammate, Michael Jordan himself.

You may agree with Abdul-Jabbar's assessment that a statue honoring him is long overdue and that he holds the credibility to question Pippen's knowledge on NBA history. You may disagree with the tactics, believing his public gripes about the Lakers come off as sour grapes and chastising Pippen comes across as bullying. But it still makes for interesting reading.

So without further ado, here is Abdul-Jabbar's open letter to Pippen, which was recently obtained by The Times:

How Soon They Forget: An Open Letter to Scottie Pippen

Dear Scottie,

[Edited 6/2/11 7:21am]

SCNDLS said:

I wanna know who the hell pissed in Kareem's wheaties, cuz that fool been on a rampage lately.

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar’s nasty open letter to Scottie Pippen

In a nearly two-week span, former Lakers center Kareem Abdul-Jabbar went from questioning the Lakers' loyalty to questioning Scottie Pippen's claim that LeBron James "may be the greatest player to ever play."

After arguing that the Lakers' failure to honor him with a statue serves as an example of the team disrespecting him, the NBA's all-time leading scorer is now arguing Pippen's willingness to prop up James on the heels of the Heat-Mavericks NBA Finals matchup reflects his lack of appreciation for NBA greats such as Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Russell and even Pippen's former teammate, Michael Jordan himself.

You may agree with Abdul-Jabbar's assessment that a statue honoring him is long overdue and that he holds the credibility to question Pippen's knowledge on NBA history. You may disagree with the tactics, believing his public gripes about the Lakers come off as sour grapes and chastising Pippen comes across as bullying. But it still makes for interesting reading.

So without further ado, here is Abdul-Jabbar's open letter to Pippen, which was recently obtained by The Times:

How Soon They Forget: An Open Letter to Scottie Pippen

Dear Scottie,

I have nothing but respect for you my friend as an athlete and knowledgeable basketball mind. But you are way off in your assessment of who is the greatest player of all time and the greatest scorer of all time. Your comments are off because of your limited perspective. You obviously never saw Wilt Chamberlain play who undoubtedly was the greatest scorer this game has ever known. When did MJ ever average 50.4 points per game plus 25.7 rebounds? (Wilt in the 1962 season when blocked shot statistics were not kept). We will never accurately know how many shots Wilt blocked. Oh, by the way in 1967 and 68, Wilt was a league leader in assists. Did MJ ever score 100 points in a game? How many times did MJ score more than 60 points in a game? MJ led the league in scoring in consecutive seasons for 10 years but he did this in an NBA that eventually expanded into 30 teams vs. when Wilt played and there were only 8 teams.Every team had the opportunity to amass a solid nucleus. Only the cream of the basketball world got to play then. So MJ has to be appraised in perspective. His incredible athletic ability, charisma and leadership on the court helped to make basketball popular around the world -- no question about that. But in terms of greatness, MJ has to take a backseat to The Stilt.

In terms of winning, Michael excelled as both an emotional and scoring leader but Bill Russell’s Celtics won eight consecutive NBA Championships. Bill's rebounding average per game is over 22.5 lifetime, MJs best rebounding years was eight per game (1989). But we will never know exactly how many shots Bill Russell blocked because again, they never kept that statistic while he played. However, if you ask anybody that played against Russell, they will just roll their eyes and say he blocked all the shots he wanted to block in the crucial moments of a game.

Bill played on a total of 11 championship teams and as you very well know, Scottie, the ring is the thing, and everything else is just statistics. So I would advise you to do a little homework before crowning Michael or LeBron with the title of best ever. As dominant as he is, LeBron has yet to win a championship. I must say that it looks like Miami has finally put the team together that will change that circumstance. Its my hope that today’s players get a better perspective on exactly what has been done in this league in the days of yore.

Affectionately,
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar,
NBA’s All-Time Leading Scorer

[Edited 6/2/11 7:21am]

Somebody wake Kareem up............

This article makes some good points about the inconsistencies in Kareem's msg

http://sports.yahoo.com/n...nba-wp4090

After rattling off this series of statistics, Abdul-Jabbar chides Pippen "to do a little homework before crowning Michael or LeBron with the title of best ever," before reminding (?) Pippen that "the ring is the thing, and everything else is just statistics." So, erm, why even bring up Chamberlain? Because Robert Horry and Steve Kerr have way more rings than Wilt, and everything else is just statistics, right?

Worst of all is Kareem's revisionist role as Wilt Chamberlain's John the Baptist. The two never liked each other (and Kareem possibly still holds some enmity with the late Chamberlain, referring to him in this open letter by Wilt's long-hated nickname, "Stilt."), and Kareem isn't too far removed from penning the infamous, "To Wilt Chumperlame" open letter from his book My Turn. In it, Kareem offered this doozy:

"People will remember that I worked with my teammates and helped us win. You will be remembered as a whining crybaby and a quitter, stats and all."

Stats that, 21 years later, Kareem can't get enough of. Stats that, even with Jordan flashing six rings to Wilt's two, are enough in Kareem's eyes to hold Wilt in higher regard over MJ.

Stats that, as we've known for years, can't really be trusted.

Because not only were Chamberlain and Russell playing a different game back then, acting as modern era athletes (hell, both Wilt and Russell to a lesser extent would be modern-era dominant all-world athletes even today) in an ancient game, but they were playing a different game amongst a different game.

There were often 30 or 40 more possessions per game back then, as shots caromed off the rim (on average) 60 percent of the time, and teams endlessly raced up and down the court as a result. It was a cherry-picking time for stats even amongst the guys who didn't have Wilt and Russell's athletic gifts, modern timing, and smarts. But for those two? With that package? It's you against a 5-year-old on a Nerf hoop, and you're allowed to shoot from wherever you want.

But that's not really the point here, is it? Kareem, obviously, is arguing on his own behalf. A classic passive/aggressive move that sees him arguing with a stats-based stance for players who scored less, rebounded less, and blocked fewer shots than Kareem.

And of course Abdul-Jabbar isn't going to point out the difference in competition and pace in his argument, or point out how the game grew significantly in the 1970s. It's the reason he averaged nearly 10 points per game fewer in his athletic prime in the late 1970s (before Magic Johnson came by, mind you, to take a bunch of shots) then he did at the young age of 24 while in Milwaukee. He knows, and it's slipping away. He's probably been doing nothing but watching cable TV and listening to talk radio over the last week, he's not even being mentioned amongst the top-five players in NBA history on some occasions, and it's clearly set him off. So much so that he's embraced the "legacy" (his word) of a former unfriendly combatant in Chamberlain.

I understand Kareem's frustration. And he is Top 5 in my book.

SCNDLS said:

Graycap23 said:

Sure was......great game in my opinion.

Good D at both ends, but Miami certainly didn't dominate them. Dallas missed too many open shots and need to rebound a whole lot more. They looked kinda lost on the offensive end. They betta kick ass tomorrow night or else . . .

Oh and I see the refs were up to they pencilwhippin' tricks

[Edited 6/1/11 8:11am]

u mean the david stern tricks? let's not sugar coat things, david stern is about ratings and dollars and he's like the invisible ref on the floor

L4OATheOriginal said:

SCNDLS said:

Good D at both ends, but Miami certainly didn't dominate them. Dallas missed too many open shots and need to rebound a whole lot more. They looked kinda lost on the offensive end. They betta kick ass tomorrow night or else . . .

Oh and I see the refs were up to they pencilwhippin' tricks

[Edited 6/1/11 8:11am]

u mean the david stern tricks? let's not sugar coat things, david stern is about ratings and dollars and he's like the invisible ref on the floor

Certainly seems that way.

Graycap23 said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

u mean the david stern tricks? let's not sugar coat things, david stern is about ratings and dollars and he's like the invisible ref on the floor

Certainly seems that way.

could u imagine how david would react if the finals were the milwaukee bucs vs the clippers?

L4OATheOriginal said:

Graycap23 said:

Certainly seems that way.

could u imagine how david would react if the finals were the milwaukee bucs vs the clippers?

Heart attack.

Graycap23 said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

could u imagine how david would react if the finals were the milwaukee bucs vs the clippers?

Heart attack.

For real.

Graycap23 said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

could u imagine how david would react if the finals were the milwaukee bucs vs the clippers?

Heart attack.

He would have had a heart attack if Magic's Lakers, Bird's Celtics, or Jordan's Bulls didn't make the Finals either. The NBA is star-driven. You need them to draw in the casual fan. Hardcore dudes like us will watch no matter what. To me, the last three games of the '05 Finals(Spurs/Pistons) were as good as it gets for basketball purists. But that series didn't draw in the folks who want to see big-name stars do their thing.

I do think the league is recovering nicely from the post-Jordan era, with young stars like Lebron, Howard, Derrick Rose, CP3, Kevin Durant, Blake Griffin, etc. And I'd say Kobe still has two more years of greatness. If the Knicks can get their shit together, it would be a great boost to the league.

uPtoWnNY said:

Graycap23 said:

Heart attack.

He would have had a heart attack if Magic's Lakers, Bird's Celtics, or Jordan's Bulls didn't make the Finals either. The NBA is star-driven. You need them to draw in the casual fan. Hardcore dudes like us will watch no matter what. To me, the last three games of the '05 Finals(Spurs/Pistons) were as good as it gets for basketball purists. But that series didn't draw in the folks who want to see big-name stars do their thing.

I do think the league is recovering nicely from the post-Jordan era, with young stars like Lebron, Howard, Derrick Rose, CP3, Kevin Durant, Blake Griffin, etc. And I'd say Kobe still has two more years of greatness. If the Knicks can get their shit together, it would be a great boost to the league.

the knicks blew it by pining 4 lebron 2 years b4 he was a free agent then looked like a deer in headlights when it didn't happen. having carmello for a quater of a season didn't help them either