ASSOCIATED PRESS May 27, 2011 10:49PM

LOS ANGELES — Porn performers in California would be required to use condoms in sex scenes if draft rules from state workplace safety officials advance out of the proposal phase.

Cal/OSHA officials provided the Associated Press with a 17-page draft proposal that contained sometimes graphic details of the bodily fluids, waste matter and other materials that porn actors must protect themselves against to avoid infection.

The draft is to be discussed at a public meeting in Los Angeles on June 7 and would later go to the state’s Occupational Safety & Health Standards Board for a ruling on whether it becomes part of state code.

The seven-member body is appointed by the governor and tasked with rulemaking to ensure safe and healthy workplaces in the state.

The draft says porn producers must provide and require “use of condoms or other barrier protection to prevent genital and oral contact with the blood or (any other bodily fluids) of another person.”

The draft specifies that condoms can’t be reused, cannot be expired, or used with multiple partners. Performers wouldn’t be allowed to share razors under the rules. And employers would have to keep sex toys clean.

The producer would also have to ensure that body areas contaminated with bodily fluids are cleaned between sexual acts with the same or different partners under the draft rules.

The draft also makes rules for employers to provide medical services and follow-up for all employees who have been exposed to possibly infectious materials.

The draft also calls for sex workers to be provided with vaccines for human papilloma virus and hepatitis B.

Employers would have to provide showers to performers and follow rules on how laundry contaminated with human fluids must be handled.

The proposed change in rules comes in response to a complaint filed in 2009 by the AIDS Healthcare Foundation, calling on the state to require condoms in porn.

Since the complaint, Cal/OSHA has been meeting with stakeholders to discuss implementing a more specific rule.

Cal/OSHA has said they always believed porn performers fall under the same section of state workplace safety law that requires nurses to wear protective gear to spare them exposure to blood-borne and fluid-borne illnesses, but the law has never been made specific to porn sets.

The AIDS advocacy group has called for the use of condoms in porn, saying that actors were in unsafe situations and they glamorized risky sex for audiences.

Vivid Entertainment founder Steven Hirsch has said that such moves could force filming to leave California, causing a blow to the multi-billion porn industry that has many operations in the San Fernando Valley.

Hustler Video head Larry Flynt has said audiences don’t want to see actors using condoms because it interrupts porn viewer fantasies with a reminder of disease prevention and bir

The fact that the head of Vivid is more concerned with making a buck than saving lives speaks volumes.

Vendetta1 said:

The fact that the head of Vivid is more concerned with making a buck than saving lives speaks volumes.

Thank you.

Safe work rules for actors and actresses who make porn films should've happened two decades ago.

As far as Mr. Flynt dumbass statement... the audience can fantasize they don't see a condom,

problem solved.

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thats' condoms with an O not an U.

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Vendetta1 said:

The fact that the head of Vivid is more concerned with making a buck than saving lives speaks volumes.

But it's not just him or the other porn producers either. A lot of pornos in the mid-90's through the early 2000's featured condom use during intercourse scenes as a voluntary gesutre after a couple of health scares to porn stars, but many of the fans of porn complained that it ruined the sexual fantasy aspect of the film. Plus with the rise of the internet, fans got exposure to more extreme porn from Europe and South America, where not only did the actors not wear condoms but participated in anal-to-oral scenes with multiple partners at once, often with double or even triple penetration. Then you had stars like Belladonna who realy pushed the porn enevlope in the USA, doing multiple gangbang scenes and double anal. Then came the advent of gonzo porn, which dispensed with the love scene and foreplay buildup and went straight to the hardcore action. And now that people who contract AIDS aren't necessarily facing a death sentence thanks to the availability of cheaper anti-AIDS medication, they are less inclined to practice safe sex on camera.

Vendetta1 said:

The fact that the head of Vivid is more concerned with making a buck than saving lives speaks volumes.

I the workers don't want said safe practices, they're next to impossible to impliment. All the industry has to do is make it an "exchange"(pun intended) between 2 individuals. There's just too many ways around something like this being implimented.

Vendetta1 said:

The fact that the head of Vivid is more concerned with making a buck than saving lives speaks volumes.

honestly: do you care about their lives? i don't.

TD3 said:

whistle said:

why should porn directors/producers be concerned about this when violence with guns and fighting and any other kind oif violence is openly glamourized in cinema AND television.

It's the viewers responsiblity to put on a jacket when going out in the rain. The directors responsibility is to create a film that people want to watch and that he wants to make. Film producers and directors can't hold our hands and make sure we make it thru life. They're not Natalie Portman's helmet from " Garden State". They make porn movies, not PSA's. Sould americans wear more condoms. Sure. That's not a lesson for the diector to teach. Each human has a brain....USE IT!

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BobGeorge909 said:

Serious said:

BobGeorge909 said:

why should porn directors/producers be concerned about this when violence with guns and fighting and any other kind oif violence is openly glamourized in cinema AND television.

It's the viewers responsiblity to put on a jacket when going out in the rain. The directors responsibility is to create a film that people want to watch and that he wants to make. Film producers and directors can't hold our hands and make sure we make it thru life. They're not Natalie Portman's helmet from " Garden State". They make porn movies, not PSA's. Sould americans wear more condoms. Sure. That's not a lesson for the diector to teach. Each human has a brain....USE IT!

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That is something that I will never get and which is really sad IMO.

I argue that said phenomenon is not as damaging as it's made out to be. Non of my friends run out hurting or killing people cuz they saw it in a morvie, or the culmination of 30 years of watching movies. I see it as isolated incidents of violence and murder are "attached" to them. By that I mean someone who is already not mentaly stable, goes and kills someone or acts violently for irrational reason would exibit that behavior if they'd seen the movie or not. The specifics of the crime might change, details would differ, but end result would be the same. Then, after the crime, investigation is done, and WOW!!!...DUDE SAW RAMBO!!! "That's the culprit...cuz humans don't behave like this."

Who DIDN'T see Rambo! We're not all out there killing people.

there ALWAYS has beeen a small segment of the population that behaves this way. Awlays has, is, and will be people who are violent, if violent movies are made or not.

BobGeorge909 said:

why should porn directors/producers be concerned about this when violence with guns and fighting and any other kind oif violence is openly glamourized in cinema AND television.

It's the viewers responsiblity to put on a jacket when going out in the rain. The directors responsibility is to create a film that people want to watch and that he wants to make. Film producers and directors can't hold our hands and make sure we make it thru life. They're not Natalie Portman's helmet from " Garden State". They make porn movies, not PSA's. Sould americans wear more condoms. Sure. That's not a lesson for the diector to teach. Each human has a brain....USE IT!

[Edited 5/29/11 5:40am]

Violence in movies is fake. Fucking in porn is real. There is a huge difference to me.

728huey said:

Vendetta1 said:

The fact that the head of Vivid is more concerned with making a buck than saving lives speaks volumes.

But it's not just him or the other porn producers either. A lot of pornos in the mid-90's through the early 2000's featured condom use during intercourse scenes as a voluntary gesutre after a couple of health scares to porn stars, but many of the fans of porn complained that it ruined the sexual fantasy aspect of the film. Plus with the rise of the internet, fans got exposure to more extreme porn from Europe and South America, where not only did the actors not wear condoms but participated in anal-to-oral scenes with multiple partners at once, often with double or even triple penetration. Then you had stars like Belladonna who realy pushed the porn enevlope in the USA, doing multiple gangbang scenes and double anal. Then came the advent of gonzo porn, which dispensed with the love scene and foreplay buildup and went straight to the hardcore action. And now that people who contract AIDS aren't necessarily facing a death sentence thanks to the availability of cheaper anti-AIDS medication, they are less inclined to practice safe sex on camera.

Let them complain. Perhaps if porn producers were using people that were tested on a regular basis, there would be no need for this.

condoms in a porn film?? there realy is nothing worse!!! no no & no 2 that!!

Vendetta1 said:

728huey said:

But it's not just him or the other porn producers either. A lot of pornos in the mid-90's through the early 2000's featured condom use during intercourse scenes as a voluntary gesutre after a couple of health scares to porn stars, but many of the fans of porn complained that it ruined the sexual fantasy aspect of the film. Plus with the rise of the internet, fans got exposure to more extreme porn from Europe and South America, where not only did the actors not wear condoms but participated in anal-to-oral scenes with multiple partners at once, often with double or even triple penetration. Then you had stars like Belladonna who realy pushed the porn enevlope in the USA, doing multiple gangbang scenes and double anal. Then came the advent of gonzo porn, which dispensed with the love scene and foreplay buildup and went straight to the hardcore action. And now that people who contract AIDS aren't necessarily facing a death sentence thanks to the availability of cheaper anti-AIDS medication, they are less inclined to practice safe sex on camera.

Let them complain. Perhaps if porn producers were using people that were tested on a regular basis, there would be no need for this.

Porn actors/performers DO get tested. I don't know about gangbangs and stuff. But disease testing is typical in porn. Does your knowledge of porn extend beyond the knowledge of it's existince?

Vendetta1 said:

BobGeorge909 said:

why should porn directors/producers be concerned about this when violence with guns and fighting and any other kind oif violence is openly glamourized in cinema AND television.

It's the viewers responsiblity to put on a jacket when going out in the rain. The directors responsibility is to create a film that people want to watch and that he wants to make. Film producers and directors can't hold our hands and make sure we make it thru life. They're not Natalie Portman's helmet from " Garden State". They make porn movies, not PSA's. Sould americans wear more condoms. Sure. That's not a lesson for the diector to teach. Each human has a brain....USE IT!

[Edited 5/29/11 5:40am]

Violence in movies is fake. Fucking in porn is real. There is a huge difference to me.

tell that to the stunt doubles and stunt actors and action experts. They get hurt, injured constantly and even die on occasion....tell Brandon Lee that.

Fucking in porn is real, sure, after levels of safeguards and preperations that are nowhere near typical. Does the typical sexual encounter have extras, cameras, agents, producers?

Serious said:

TD3 said:

Thank you.

Safe work rules for actors and actresses who make porn films should've happened two decades ago.

As far as Mr. Flynt dumbass statement... the audience can fantasize they don't see a condom,

problem solved.

=======================================

thats' condoms with an O not an U.

As much as I agree that it would be a good and necessary step I never watch porn were anybody is wearing a condom as it is a huge turn off for me. It's bad enough that it is necessary to use them in RL for me.

Hoping not to sound snide (because you can not hear my voice) people will have to adjust. No different then men whining about having to wear condoms, you adjust or go without. If people can imagine all types of sexual stuff they can imagine not seeing a wraped dick pumping in and out of a vagina or a mouth. This is the digital age ... manipulate the image.

When was the last work stoppage in the Porn Industrybecause actors tested postive for HIV, again? 2010. This is a public health issue, not a right to work issue, and not what the consumer wants issue. I'm aware a billion dollar industry has the funds to bribe goverment public officials hence the Porn Industry voluntary testing program for all venereal diseases has been sketchy at best and record keeping almost nonexistent. Of course it's an industry standard pratice for men to wear condoms for anal sex scences and go "raw" for vaginal and oral sex scenes, putting women health at much greater risk. Surprise, surprise.

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If these individuals are mandated to wear condoms, they might as well mandate for ALL people to wear condoms. That's what this amounts to and where the slippery slope leads.

people attempt to inject morals anywhere they can put 'em.

BobGeorge909 said:

BobGeorge909 said:

why should porn directors/producers be concerned about this when violence with guns and fighting and any other kind oif violence is openly glamourized in cinema AND television.

It's the viewers responsiblity to put on a jacket when going out in the rain. The directors responsibility is to create a film that people want to watch and that he wants to make. Film producers and directors can't hold our hands and make sure we make it thru life. They're not Natalie Portman's helmet from " Garden State". They make porn movies, not PSA's. Sould americans wear more condoms. Sure. That's not a lesson for the diector to teach. Each human has a brain....USE IT!

[Edited 5/29/11 5:40am]

What is the purpose of comparing this to violence in media? This proposal is not about protecting pornography viewers from mimicking the performers. This proposal is about protecting the performers in porn. There is no mention of porn viewers mimicking the unsafe sexual practices of the performers.

BobGeorge909 said:

If these individuals are mandated to wear condoms, they might as well mandate for ALL people to wear condoms. That's what this amounts to and where the slippery slope leads.

people attempt to inject morals anywhere they can put 'em.

This is the porn industry. Why would people care about morals . This is more about disease prevention than morals.

Vendetta1 said:

BobGeorge909 said:

Porn actors/performers DO get tested. I don't know about gangbangs and stuff. But disease testing is typical in porn. Does your knowledge of porn extend beyond the knowledge of it's existince?

Is your MO is to just be rude to people?

No. just 1/4 rude. There were 4 scentences there...only one was rude. How much do U know about porn?

Not much good comes from people parachuting for recreational purposes. Should we mandate the end to that? At a point it just becomes silly. People watch porn to be entertained, not educated on the practices of safe sex.

as to the public health issue...The performers are not forced to perform, and your are not forced to perform or even interact with these people. If YOU practice safe sex, what these people do with their willy's, vajayjay's, and brown eyes is of no concern to you.

Shawnt27 said:

BobGeorge909 said:

why should porn directors/producers be concerned about this when violence with guns and fighting and any other kind oif violence is openly glamourized in cinema AND television.

It's the viewers responsiblity to put on a jacket when going out in the rain. The directors responsibility is to create a film that people want to watch and that he wants to make. Film producers and directors can't hold our hands and make sure we make it thru life. They're not Natalie Portman's helmet from " Garden State". They make porn movies, not PSA's. Sould americans wear more condoms. Sure. That's not a lesson for the diector to teach. Each human has a brain....USE IT!

[Edited 5/29/11 5:40am]

What is the purpose of comparing this to violence in media? This proposal is not about protecting pornography viewers from mimicking the performers. This proposal is about protecting the performers in porn. There is no mention of porn viewers mimicking the unsafe sexual practices of the performers.

if that's true, then it's a non-issue. Anyone can choose to opt out of the porn business at any second and pursue another avenue of making money.

People NEED coal to a certain degree, so to obtain it and be reasonably cost effective, people HAVE to retreive it.

No one NEEDS the porn industry so it doesn't fall under the same regulatory umbrella as food, water, and the like. If U wanna do that to make money, so be it...no one's forcing you.

It's a total disgrace to know that some of my fellow orgers really don't give a damn about the health and safely of their favorite porn/adult film stars.

Never mind the fact that the adult film industry are the blame for not obeying the health codes that were in the California State law books for years.

TonyVanDam said:

It's a total disgrace to know that some of my fellow orgers really don't give a damn about the health and safely of their favorite porn/adult film stars.

Never mind the fact that the adult film industry are the blame for not obeying the health codes that were in the California State law books for years.

The performers should give a damn themselves. No one makes them do tis crap. If they wanna make condom demands...they can, why should the state mandate it. Crazy.

It's to consenting adults doing things they've agreed upon.

I care about Alexis Texas' health(to a small degree...cuz I want her to keep making movies for as long as she wants). I'm sure she does to and takes appropriate actions to avoid disease. Get fellow performers that are tested as well as testing herself. jeesh. If she don't want a condom invold, she don't want it.

BobGeorge909 said:

TonyVanDam said:

It's a total disgrace to know that some of my fellow orgers really don't give a damn about the health and safely of their favorite porn/adult film stars.

Never mind the fact that the adult film industry are the blame for not obeying the health codes that were in the California State law books for years.

The performers should give a damn themselves. No one makes them do tis crap. If they wanna make condom demands...they can, why should the state mandate it. Crazy.

It's to consenting adults doing things they've agreed upon.

I care about Alexis Texas' health(to a small degree...cuz I want her to keep making movies for as long as she wants). I'm sure she does to and takes appropriate actions to avoid disease. Get fellow performers that are tested as well as testing herself. jeesh. If she don't want a condom invold, she don't want it.

Actually, they have zero choice. The studios make sure of that.

Spinlight said:

BobGeorge909 said:

The performers should give a damn themselves. No one makes them do tis crap. If they wanna make condom demands...they can, why should the state mandate it. Crazy.

It's to consenting adults doing things they've agreed upon.

I care about Alexis Texas' health(to a small degree...cuz I want her to keep making movies for as long as she wants). I'm sure she does to and takes appropriate actions to avoid disease. Get fellow performers that are tested as well as testing herself. jeesh. If she don't want a condom invold, she don't want it.

Actually, they have zero choice. The studios make sure of that.

there is choice...they can film independent...not film at all...film with condom friendly studios. Some choices dont make as much money, but there's choice.

i don't get porno, all those skanky mingers humping about & then those ugly blokes shooting their yoghurt straight in2 some old tarts gob! YUK!! does anyone really do that? fucksake!

who really cares whether they stay safe.. they're all a bunch of misfits, let them screw till they're riddled with the

It should just be considered part of the uniform

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[Edited 5/29/11 15:23pm]