HotGritz said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

The fact that this has been kept a secret for so long is amazing. I read that the child was born before he began serving as CA's governor. I wonder what he gave her in return for her keeping her mouth shut.

But, this really doesn't surprise me, regarding his behavior. He was known to be quite the whore prior to taking office. Besides, I figured something had to have triggered this divorce after it seemingly popped up outta nowhere after being married for 25 years.

The thing is, many people knew about the kid and Maria was left in the dark. IMHO it's not so much that he had a kid with someone else, it's more that she didn't know and was made to look like the idiot wife. Most women can handle infidelities and even outside kids if they hear it first from their husbands but if a woman is the last to know (i'm talking even the garnder knows before you) then all hell is gonna break loose. Men have egos but women have BIGGER egos. Maria just wasn't going to play that role and look stupid in front of her kids, friends, and most of all the media.

If he even would have a tiny bit of respect for her, he wouldn't have put her and his kids in that position.

dJJ said:

HotGritz said:

The thing is, many people knew about the kid and Maria was left in the dark. IMHO it's not so much that he had a kid with someone else, it's more that she didn't know and was made to look like the idiot wife. Most women can handle infidelities and even outside kids if they hear it first from their husbands but if a woman is the last to know (i'm talking even the garnder knows before you) then all hell is gonna break loose. Men have egos but women have BIGGER egos. Maria just wasn't going to play that role and look stupid in front of her kids, friends, and most of all the media.

If he even would have a tiny bit of respect for her, he wouldn't have put her and his kids in that position.

100% right!

Machaela said:

this kid gets to hear his mom and dad

appologize for his life... WOW!!!

imagine livin with that trip.

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The hired help had sex with her wealthy employer. It does sound like a cliché, but isn't it true that some women will forego good looks for the promise of prosperity for the rest of their lives?

NMuzakNSoul said:

The sperminator.

Wicked!

Machaela said:

Women have sex with THAT ?

ewwww

Bummer. I held him in such high regard. Can't do that now.

RodeoSchro said:

Serious said:

RodeoSchro said:

Bummer. I held him in such high regard. Can't do that now.

I could never stand him .

He reached the absolute pinnacle in three different fields (bodybuilding; acting; politics).

To me, he defined the word "success".

But now I can't use him as a role model any more in my speeches. I thought he was the best example out there.

Dang it.

RodeoSchro said:

Serious said:

RodeoSchro said: I could never stand him .

He reached the absolute pinnacle in three different fields (bodybuilding; acting; politics).

To me, he defined the word "success".

But now I can't use him as a role model any more in my speeches. I thought he was the best example out there.

Dang it.

I guess you have to redefine 'succes'

RodeoSchro said:

Serious said:

RodeoSchro said: I could never stand him .

He reached the absolute pinnacle in three different fields (bodybuilding; acting; politics).

he certainly was successful, but I would not say he reached the absolute pinnacle in acting or politics

he was the most successful movie star for a good while, he has never been a successful "actor"

and the President would be the absolute pinnacle, though he got as high as he could without being born in the US

But to me he wasted taxpayer money to recall a governor that had just been re-elected. Ridiculous. I blame the voters for that as well as electing him at all with no track record. Dumbass americans

But again, no I can't deny that he is insanely successful and driven.

dJJ said:

RodeoSchro said:

He reached the absolute pinnacle in three different fields (bodybuilding; acting; politics).

To me, he defined the word "success".

But now I can't use him as a role model any more in my speeches. I thought he was the best example out there.

Dang it.

I guess you have to redefine 'succes'

No, I think I have to differentiate between it and "integrity".

NDRU said:

RodeoSchro said:

He reached the absolute pinnacle in three different fields (bodybuilding; acting; politics).

he certainly was successful, but I would not say he reached the absolute pinnacle in acting or politics

he was the most successful movie star for a good while, he has never been a successful "actor"

and the President would be the absolute pinnacle, though he got as high as he could without being born in the US

But to me he wasted taxpayer money to recall a governor that had just been re-elected. Ridiculous. I blame the voters for that as well as electing him at all with no track record. Dumbass americans

But again, no I can't deny that he is insanely successful and driven.

Arnold IMHO was a marginal bodybuilder, very marginal actor and REAL marginal politician (and I hate politics in general so that's saying a lot ).

NDRU said:

RodeoSchro said:

He reached the absolute pinnacle in three different fields (bodybuilding; acting; politics).

he certainly was successful, but I would not say he reached the absolute pinnacle in acting or politics

he was the most successful movie star for a good while, he has never been a successful "actor"

and the President would be the absolute pinnacle, though he got as high as he could without being born in the US

But to me he wasted taxpayer money to recall a governor that had just been re-elected. Ridiculous. I blame the voters for that as well as electing him at all with no track record. Dumbass americans

But again, no I can't deny that he is insanely successful and driven.

I say he did in acting, because he was the biggest box-office draw for 10 years. Financially, that's the pinnacle. He wasn't the greatest actor of all time, but in his prime he made more money and sold more tickets than anyone before him.

He certainly did in politics, for he went as high as he could possibly go as a leader. He cannot be president, so the next highest office would be governor of the largest state, which he was.

Timmy84 said:

NDRU said:

he certainly was successful, but I would not say he reached the absolute pinnacle in acting or politics

he was the most successful movie star for a good while, he has never been a successful "actor"

and the President would be the absolute pinnacle, though he got as high as he could without being born in the US

But to me he wasted taxpayer money to recall a governor that had just been re-elected. Ridiculous. I blame the voters for that as well as electing him at all with no track record. Dumbass americans

But again, no I can't deny that he is insanely successful and driven.

Arnold IMHO was a marginal bodybuilder, very marginal actor and REAL marginal politician (and I hate politics in general so that's saying a lot ).

Marginal bodybuilder?!? No offense, but you are 100% wrong on that. Any bodybuilder in the world will agree Arnold is the best ever.

Marginal actor? Maybe, but he was certainly the biggest box office success and in Hollywood, that's all that matters. It IS show business, you know.

I'm not saying he was the greatest politician of all time - just that he got as high in politics as he possibly could.

Timmy84 said:

NDRU said:

he certainly was successful, but I would not say he reached the absolute pinnacle in acting or politics

he was the most successful movie star for a good while, he has never been a successful "actor"

and the President would be the absolute pinnacle, though he got as high as he could without being born in the US

But to me he wasted taxpayer money to recall a governor that had just been re-elected. Ridiculous. I blame the voters for that as well as electing him at all with no track record. Dumbass americans

But again, no I can't deny that he is insanely successful and driven.

Arnold IMHO was a marginal bodybuilder, very marginal actor and REAL marginal politician (and I hate politics in general so that's saying a lot ).

I don't know about that! He did win Mr Olympia like 7 or 8 times

Timmy84 said:

Arnold IMHO was a marginal bodybuilder, very marginal actor and REAL marginal politician (and I hate politics in general so that's saying a lot ).

Say wha...........

RodeoSchro said:

NDRU said:

he certainly was successful, but I would not say he reached the absolute pinnacle in acting or politics

he was the most successful movie star for a good while, he has never been a successful "actor"

and the President would be the absolute pinnacle, though he got as high as he could without being born in the US

But to me he wasted taxpayer money to recall a governor that had just been re-elected. Ridiculous. I blame the voters for that as well as electing him at all with no track record. Dumbass americans

But again, no I can't deny that he is insanely successful and driven.

I say he did in acting, because he was the biggest box-office draw for 10 years. Financially, that's the pinnacle. He wasn't the greatest actor of all time, but in his prime he made more money and sold more tickets than anyone before him.

He certainly did in politics, for he went as high as he could possibly go as a leader. He cannot be president, so the next highest office would be governor of the largest state, which he was.

but going as high as you can go is not the absolute pinnacle. Going as high as anyone can go is the absolute pinnacle

Timmy84 said:

RodeoSchro said:

NDRU said:

RodeoSchro said:

I say he did in acting, because he was the biggest box-office draw for 10 years. Financially, that's the pinnacle. He wasn't the greatest actor of all time, but in his prime he made more money and sold more tickets than anyone before him.

He certainly did in politics, for he went as high as he could possibly go as a leader. He cannot be president, so the next highest office would be governor of the largest state, which he was.

but going as high as you can go is not the absolute pinnacle. Going as high as anyone can go is the absolute pinnacle

He could not go any higher. He reached the pinnacle; at least, he reached HIS pinnacle. I can't fault him for not reaching an office that it's impossible for him to hold.

Serious said:

RodeoSchro said:

No, I think I have to differentiate between it and "integrity".

I have no respect at all for people who have a successful career (or like in his case 3) but fail in their private life.

I don't respect Arnold now.

At least he's not a frog.

RodeoSchro said:

NDRU said:

but going as high as you can go is not the absolute pinnacle. Going as high as anyone can go is the absolute pinnacle

He could not go any higher. He reached the pinnacle; at least, he reached HIS pinnacle. I can't fault him for not reaching an office that it's impossible for him to hold.

yes you are right, I was just nit-picking absolute pinnacle vs personal pinnacle

his success is fairly unprecedented, especially considering he was totally unqualified for his second & third careers

RodeoSchro said:

dJJ said:

I guess you have to redefine 'succes'

No, I think I have to differentiate between it and "integrity".

I'm curious after your presentation!

What are your examples of people who are a success; in the way that they are very good at communicating and convincing others that they conquer other people?

Because I think success can be a very versatile construct. Being very good at conquering others is not my definition of success. In the thread about the bees, Paintedlady for me is the definition of success.

Who is successful by American standards (lot of money, beaten everybody else to it, polishing an (false) image, artificial beauty by botox/ surgery) and at the same time is intergre by the majorities' accepted standards?

Can a rich person keep his/her integrity? Can anybody who has integrity become rich?

RodeoSchro said:

Serious said:

RodeoSchro said: I have no respect at all for people who have a successful career (or like in his case 3) but fail in their private life.

I don't respect Arnold now.

At least he's not a frog.

dJJ said:

RodeoSchro said:

I don't respect Arnold now.

At least he's not a frog.

LOL.

dJJ said:

RodeoSchro said:

I don't respect Arnold now.

At least he's not a frog.

I have no definitive proof that he is not a frog

dJJ said:

RodeoSchro said:

No, I think I have to differentiate between it and "integrity".

I'm curious after your presentation!

What are your examples of people who are a success; in the way that they are very good at communicating and convincing others that they conquer other people?

Because I think success can be a very versatile construct. Being very good at conquering others is not my definition of success. In the thread about the bees, Paintedlady for me is the definition of success.

Who is successful by American standards (lot of money, beaten everybody else to it, polishing an (false) image, artificial beauty by botox/ surgery) and at the same time is intergre by the majorities' accepted standards?

Can a rich person keep his/her integrity? Can anybody who has integrity become rich?

It's a presentation about goal-setting. It shows how to set high goals, and then work the plan backwards to where you are today, so that you know what you have to do to reach the goal.

There are some things that all successful people do in this process, and I had great examples of how Arnold did each one, and how that led to his successes.

I didn't read the thread about the bees. Did she have the same problem I had with frogs?

NDRU said:

dJJ said:

I have no definitive proof that he is not a frog

Well, for Maria he's back to being a frog instead of her prince