When I was about 8 or 9 years old, my father tuned into Showtime and casually viewed movie directed by Ridley Scott, called Alien. That movie scared the pants off of me. A few years later I had to pleasure of seeing Aliens, the sequel. By the time I was a freshman in college, Alien 3 came out. I remember the excitement I felt (many of the promotional shots eluded to the fact that the alien would be on Earth). However, my hopes of a movie that could rival the two previous ones were utterly dashed 10 minutes into the movie. This was a clumsy film, lacking any suspense in it whatsover. And the fact that they killed off some of the beloved characters that Lt. Ellen Ripley had worked so hard to save in the second film started the film off on a very bad footing.

So, here we are, in 2011. The Alien Anthology blu-ray set was released last year. And though I watched the Quadrology edition of the movies in 2003, I wasn't terribly impressed by Alien 3 then either. Certainly, a better film than the fourth one--that one is unsavageable--I was bugged by the poor quality of the audio from the scenes that had been previously removed.

It's claimed that the anthology edition is really just the quadrology edition releasted from 2003, but with the original actors coming back and fixing some of the audio problems with original scenes that never made it past the chopping block.

However, I swear there are bits of dialogue and sequences that aren't in quadroligy.

At any rate, I finally got around to watching this Anthology Edition of Alien 3, and actually really liked it. Sure, there were obvious issues with the movie, but it finally elevated itself from a terrible flick to a pretty good flawed movie.

Firstly, I want to talk about the story. It's basically the same; only, in this one a few differences are evident: Ripley washes up on shore instead of being found in the EEV. Golic has a more prominent role, and the Alien bursts out from an ox. Also, the Alien is never shown to be born at the end of the movie.

But the most important changes are these: There is a scene where Golic (the deranged inmate) escapes and releases the Alien (which was detained for a short time in a holding tank--completely missing from the theatrical release). Also, the scenes being longer and more drawn out actually draw you in more. You start to understand the motivations of the prisoners. You start to understand the motivation of Ripley. And more importantly, you become more involved in the storyline. This is completely lacking in the theatrical release.

Word has it that the director, David Fincher, was very displeased with the butchering job Fox Studios had done to the final product. He is the only director to have declined doing any additional work himself for the Quadroligy or Anthology editions. I don't blame the guy--they didn't even have a finished script when they gave him the project. He was literally being told to change things on the fly and had to deal with studio meddling in his art.

And to be honest, there are still real issues with this film:

1) Placing an Alien in Ripley made the film a suicide mission.

2) Making some of the major characteres YY chromosome rapists and murderers kills any hope of allowing the audience to really root for them

3) Ripley's motivation to lure the Alien into the pit comes off as too heroic and altruistic. When she rescued Nute in the second movie, it was a maternal instinct and understandable. In this one, she seeks to be the savior of mankind. It just doesn't really come off well.

4) The final death scene with in the lead works just doesn't look real. Actually, too much of the movie doesn't look real.

I would love a future reboot to start at Alien 3, but I'll be an old man by the time anything like that happens.

At any rate, I will say this: The Anthology edition is actually a much better...noticeably better..movie than the theatrical release.

This is one of the movies that early on formulated my hatred for David Fincher as a director. I know he's celebrated, but I think he is one of the worst directors in film. This movie, Seven, The Game, Fight Club...I really hate most of his movies. (Although I do think Panic Room is a very good film.)

For Alien 3, I thought it was pretty unforgivable to take a franchise that had two brilliant movies and then turn in a third one that was completely awful.

Efan said:

This is one of the movies that early on formulated my hatred for David Fincher as a director. I know he's celebrated, but I think he is one of the worst directors in film. This movie, Seven, The Game, Fight Club...I really hate most of his movies. (Although I do think Panic Room is a very good film.)

For Alien 3, I thought it was pretty unforgivable to take a franchise that had two brilliant movies and then turn in a third one that was completely awful.

I had read (years ago) that the third film was intended to be a dream (nightmare) in hyper sleep. If you will note that for every water scene in the 2nd film there is a water scene in the third, not to mention all her worst fears come true (the little girl dies-her love interest dies-she has an alien inside her.) Another element of a dream is that Ripley walks around naked when a man comes in-continues to move around as if she was wearing clothes. There are many more elements between the films (duality), but it has been years since I had read the article and seen the films.

As for the fourth film, I always viewed it as a graphic novel/comic book version of the series.

alien was a horror film

aliens was an action/adventure film

alien3 I believe it was supposed to be a film. Using classic film elements of duality. I really think if they would have kept alien 3 a dream and made it back to the space station above earth in film 4 (with an alien on board) it would have made for a better franchise.

Dan, if I was gay, I'd be ball deep in you most of the time.

Efan said:

This is one of the movies that early on formulated my hatred for David Fincher as a director. I know he's celebrated, but I think he is one of the worst directors in film. This movie, Seven, The Game, Fight Club...I really hate most of his movies. (Although I do think Panic Room is a very good film.)

For Alien 3, I thought it was pretty unforgivable to take a franchise that had two brilliant movies and then turn in a third one that was completely awful.

I don't think much of it was Fincher's fault though.

Albeit, the action sequences in this thing weren't terribly impressive, it could have been a much better film if Fox had a finished script, the script was smart, and Fincher had time to make the movie he wanted to make.

I think one of the ex-producers, David Giler(sp?) summed it up best, "The main thing about Alien 3 is that it didn't meet it's 'genre expectations'--that is to say, it didn't scare the hell out of the audience."

But the Anthology edition really is worth a watch. It's far superior to the theatrical release, which is not often true with expanded editions (The Empire Strikes Back , etc.).

Number23 said:

Dan, if I was gay, I'd be ball deep in you most of the time.

That's really terribly sweet and gay.

SagsWay2low said:

Efan said:

This is one of the movies that early on formulated my hatred for David Fincher as a director. I know he's celebrated, but I think he is one of the worst directors in film. This movie, Seven, The Game, Fight Club...I really hate most of his movies. (Although I do think Panic Room is a very good film.)

For Alien 3, I thought it was pretty unforgivable to take a franchise that had two brilliant movies and then turn in a third one that was completely awful.

I don't think much of it was Fincher's fault though.

Albeit, the action sequences in this thing weren't terribly impressive, it could have been a much better film if Fox had a finished script, the script was smart, and Fincher had time to make the movie he wanted to make.

I think one of the ex-producers, David Giler(sp?) summed it up best, "The main thing about Alien 3 is that it didn't meet it's 'genre expectations'--that is to say, it didn't scare the hell out of the audience."

But the Anthology edition really is worth a watch. It's far superior to the theatrical release, which is not often true with expanded editions (The Empire Strikes Back , etc.).

Meh. Fincher went on to demonstrate what a horrible director he is, so even if the stars had aligned for this movie, I'm sure he would have messed it up horrifically. I honestly don't get the love for him. He made a career out of really terrible hack-job films.

Plus, it still annoys the hell out of me that he expects people to spell Seven incorrectly just because of that dumbass movie.

Efan said:

SagsWay2low said:

I don't think much of it was Fincher's fault though.

Albeit, the action sequences in this thing weren't terribly impressive, it could have been a much better film if Fox had a finished script, the script was smart, and Fincher had time to make the movie he wanted to make.

I think one of the ex-producers, David Giler(sp?) summed it up best, "The main thing about Alien 3 is that it didn't meet it's 'genre expectations'--that is to say, it didn't scare the hell out of the audience."

But the Anthology edition really is worth a watch. It's far superior to the theatrical release, which is not often true with expanded editions (The Empire Strikes Back , etc.).

Meh. Fincher went on to demonstrate what a horrible director he is, so even if the stars had aligned for this movie, I'm sure he would have messed it up horrifically. I honestly don't get the love for him. He made a career out of really terrible hack-job films.

Plus, it still annoys the hell out of me that he expects people to spell Seven incorrectly just because of that dumbass movie.

OK OK..

Is he at least better than George Lucas!!

....like George Lucas circa 1999 and beyond?

I'm desperate here.

SagsWay2low said:

Efan said:

Meh. Fincher went on to demonstrate what a horrible director he is, so even if the stars had aligned for this movie, I'm sure he would have messed it up horrifically. I honestly don't get the love for him. He made a career out of really terrible hack-job films.

Plus, it still annoys the hell out of me that he expects people to spell Seven incorrectly just because of that dumbass movie.

OK OK..

Is he at least better than George Lucas!!

....like George Lucas circa 1999 and beyond?

I'm desperate here.

Okay, I'll give you that. But hell, Prince is a better director than George Lucas circa 1999 and beyond.

Efan said:

SagsWay2low said:

OK OK..

Is he at least better than George Lucas!!

....like George Lucas circa 1999 and beyond?

I'm desperate here.

Okay, I'll give you that. But hell, Prince is a better director than George Lucas circa 1999 and beyond.

You're funnay.

I should like to dip you in barbeque sauce and lick it off sometime.

But, I digress. I know that Ridley Scott is involved in Alien 5 and 6, which really are

prequelish movies. They expand the Alien universe a bit, but from what I hear

will be quite different.

Also, I'm not sure if they've resolved the problem, but Scott wanted a $150 million

dollar budget and an R-rating which I believe Fox studio refused.

I think an R-rating is appropriate. The movies have an obligation to scare the pants

off of us.

Efan said:

This is one of the movies that early on formulated my hatred for David Fincher as a director. I know he's celebrated, but I think he is one of the worst directors in film. This movie, Seven, The Game, Fight Club...I really hate most of his movies. (Although I do think Panic Room is a very good film.)

For Alien 3, I thought it was pretty unforgivable to take a franchise that had two brilliant movies and then turn in a third one that was completely awful.

For me, Alien 3 & 4 don't even exist. Completely awful.

Ellen Ripley returned to Earth, adopted Nut and started a relationship (sort of) with Corporal Hicks

Nobody found another Alien Queen /Planet until a couple of centuries later (the events depicted in Aliens vs Pretador PC Games, Pt. I & II)

PERIOD

When I first saw Alien 3, like many – actually, most audience members – I was slightly insulted. I loved the second film, and at the time loved it more than the first film), and the third movie begins by killing off all other survivors besides Ripley. Not only that, Ripley proceeds to perform an autopsy on one of the dead. But at the time David Fincher was an upstart music video director, best known for ripping off Fritz Lang in Madonna videos, and directing probably the classiest video Michael Jackson ever shot for 'Who Is It?'. On some level I think the critical reaction to Se7en was so favorable because they were surprised it was the same director as Alien 3.

Alien 3’s reputation came to blossom upon the release of Alien: Resurrection, in that what it accomplished could be put in perspective. And for that you have a director applying his vision of what an Alien sequel should be. The production was troubled – to say the least – but there are a lot of great things in the film, even if the final third of the movie follows a bunch of bald headed guys you don’t really know running around golden-brown air ducts. The concept for this film, at least in its finished form, is that you can’t battle the devil and expect to keep winning. This film – and the monster has elements of cancer and A.I.D.S. or whatever foreign body disease you want to lay on top of the film for metaphorical purposes – and is about the acceptance of mortality and the act of dying. And whilst that may be a huge disappointment in terms of what came before, it seems the most logical way to end the franchise. Because in the end Ripley is stripped of everything - her friends, her hair, anyone close to her, but she retains her faith - faith that she will not let this beat and consume her. She then does the only logical thing: she dies on her own terms. Of course, this is muddled by the action-centric premise of the conclusion, but it’s a pretty dark vision when it’s firing on all cylinders. And now it seems pretty damned cool in context of the rest of the franchise. Age has mellowed this monster.

The recent Blu-Ray Anthology release contains Finchers extended cut that at least does a better job of differentiating the characters a bit, and smoothing some things out. I'm still unsure if I prefer it to the theatrical version, but it is the one I usually watch, and bearing in mind the source footage that was shot before the production was shut down, "there's only so many ways you can polish a turd" as the saying goes. Alien 3 is a flaws-and-all experience, and there are some things that are obviously bad and awkward about the film, but it also shows that Fincher was going to be a great director, something he’s proved time and time again since.

I strongly sit in the 'not Finchers fault' camp. There was far too much meddling from producers who would not let him do the job he had been hired for (even now Sigourney Weaver still thinks he got given a really hard time on what was already an increadibly tough shoot), not to mention the studio wrenching the film from him as it approached the final bend, essentially hacking its legs off. It limped over the finish line a bloodied mess, and Fincher took legal action to have his name removed from the finished article. I can't say I blame him either considering the treatment he received. Long story short? The suits at the studio were just seeing $$$ signs, and greed was in the mix right from the beginning. Considering the shoot started with a far from incomplete script would be an understatement of mammoth proportions, yet it was at the studios own insistance that the shoot press on ahead. So who should the finger of blame be pointed squarely at here? To me it's pretty obvious.

All this aside, there is a good film there buried underneath all the superfluous crap thrown at it. Like a fine wine, it has aged quite well, and I find myself appreciating it now more than I ever did upon release. It's only major flaw for me are the terrible puppet and CGI Alien effects. Just truly dreadful, even by early '90s standards.

If you have the Blu-Ray Anthology set, the gem of the entire set of extras is without a shadow of a doubt the uncut and uncensored documentary on the making of Alien 3: 'Wreckage and Rage' where you'll come to understand just exactly the kind of crap Fincher had to deal with on a day to day basis and the stress he was put under - Jon Landau is a total egotistical jerk of the highest order. For what it's worth, I've attached below a couple of clips from the original (cut) version of this excellent documentary that is taken from the previous 'Quadrilogy' DVD set.

Always liked Alien 3. I know I'm in the minority, but I liked it. Didn't love it, know it wasn't perfect, but it worked for me.

Love Fincher. I think he's one of the greats. Different strokes for different folks, I guess. But I don't understand how anyone could hate Se7en and Fight Club.

Cerebus said:

Love Fincher. I think he's one of the greats. Different strokes for different folks, I guess. But I don't understand how anyone could hate Se7en and Fight Club.

See, and I just don't understand how you could spell it like that. Back when I was even more obnoxious than I am now, I drove my friends crazy by pronouncing it "Se-seven-en."

And then I wonder why I don't have friends.

Efan said:

Cerebus said:

Love Fincher. I think he's one of the greats. Different strokes for different folks, I guess. But I don't understand how anyone could hate Se7en and Fight Club.

See, and I just don't understand how you could spell it like that. Back when I was even more obnoxious than I am now, I drove my friends crazy by pronouncing it "Se-seven-en."

And then I wonder why I don't have friends.

Umm, maybe because that's actually the title of the movie. Like, that's what its called. Look up its IMDb entry. Honestly, never even thought about it.

And notice it has 8.7 stars, which is RIDICULOUSLY high for an IMDb rating. People hate everything there.

Honestly, I don't understand what is good about the movie. It's not a logical movie at all, and the emotional component doesn't ring true either, so there's really not much there for me to relate to. I guess the Nine Inch Nails opener was cool, and there's some decent gore, but it seemed over the top and designed to be as unpleasant as possible.

And then a cop just one day away from retirement? Come on. And where are they anyway? In a magical land where it rains 24 hours a day yet they can drive 10 minutes outside of town and be in a desert?

I did like the feel-good ending of Gwyneth Paltrow's head in a box, but it wasn't enough.

Jus' sayin'.

Alien 3 is a fossilized ugly monster of the early-90s. Dark as hell, nihilistic, pointless, a product of the early-90s AIDS panic, an extended 95 min. videoclip full of crappy dialogue.

The movie is beyond redemption. I guess Alien 3 was "cool" if you were an "angry teen/Nirvana-Alice in Chains fan" in 1992... but I watched the film in 1996 and I thought it was insulting... Alien Resurrection was even worse, but less insulting and more enjoyable/watchable...

...and Ripley just died because in 1992 Weaver didn't want to make a fourth Alien film (oh, the irony), so I guess Ripley's death wasn't very heroic/romantic after all...

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I know this isn't a David Fincher thread but what the hell: Se7en was another nihilistic, dark, pointless film that manipulated the emotions/intelligence of the audience without any class/taste, and Fight Club, wow, I don't take that film seriously (does anyone??), I just can't, I guess it can work as an unintentional comedy though...

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Efan said:

Honestly, I don't understand what is good about the movie. It's not a logical movie at all, and the emotional component doesn't ring true either, so there's really not much there for me to relate to. I guess the Nine Inch Nails opener was cool, and there's some decent gore, but it seemed over the top and designed to be as unpleasant as possible.

And then a cop just one day away from retirement? Come on. And where are they anyway? In a magical land where it rains 24 hours a day yet they can drive 10 minutes outside of town and be in a desert?

I did like the feel-good ending of Gwyneth Paltrow's head in a box, but it wasn't enough.

Its noir. All of what you mention is classic film noir done with a modern take. Probably one of the two or three best examples of the style along with LA Confidential and The Black Dahlia (the latter of which was not a great film, but definitely fits the category).

It was supposed to be ugly, dirty, dark and grimey. It was supposed to feel oppressive and stifling. That's why so much of it was shot in close and on small sets/locations leading up to the final scenes. Then, as you get closer and closer to the reveal in the dessert (a DRY location), everything starts to expand and get bigger. The rain was a huge part of all of that.

Not trying to change your opinion of it, though, just addressing some of your dislikes. For me its near perfect. I watch saw it in the theater several times and re-watch it a few times a year.

JoeTyler said:

I know this isn't a David Fincher thread but what the hell: Se7en was another nihilistic, dark, pointless film that manipulated the emotions/intelligence of the audience without any class/taste, and Fight Club, wow, I don't take that film seriously (does anyone??), I just can't, I guess it can work as an unintentional comedy though...

Entire film classes are done on why Se7en and Fight Club are important, well-made films. I tend to think you're a pretty intelligent guy, so I'm fairly shocked that you wouldn't understand the social commentary that's taking place in Fight Club. It was spot on then and may be even more accurate now.

Cerebus said:

JoeTyler said:

I know this isn't a David Fincher thread but what the hell: Se7en was another nihilistic, dark, pointless film that manipulated the emotions/intelligence of the audience without any class/taste, and Fight Club, wow, I don't take that film seriously (does anyone??), I just can't, I guess it can work as an unintentional comedy though...

Entire film classes are done on why Se7en and Fight Club are important, well-made films. I tend to think you're a pretty intelligent guy, so I'm fairly shocked that you wouldn't understand the social commentary that's taking place in Fight Club. It was spot on then and may be even more accurate now.

lol lololol are you flirting???

The ending of Se7en left me cold. Ok, the character of Brad Pitt was a volatile and agressive guy with a badge, we get that...and? he made a silly choice, and he went to jail, and the psycho died "happy", and that's all. 120 minutes of gore and a silly final choice. Ok. Next, please lol

I think that Silence of the Lambs was a much better thriller...

and Fight Club, sorry, the original book was just the product of a "slighty" deranged writer dreaming about the ultimate collapse of the evil capitalist world and its sick, jaded society..., not my thing; the book was naive...the film was spectacular, but naive as well...

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Cerebus said:

JoeTyler said:

I know this isn't a David Fincher thread but what the hell: Se7en was another nihilistic, dark, pointless film that manipulated the emotions/intelligence of the audience without any class/taste, and Fight Club, wow, I don't take that film seriously (does anyone??), I just can't, I guess it can work as an unintentional comedy though...

Entire film classes are done on why Se7en and Fight Club are important, well-made films. I tend to think you're a pretty intelligent guy, so I'm fairly shocked that you wouldn't understand the social commentary that's taking place in Fight Club. It was spot on then and may be even more accurate now.

I like Fight Club far more than I like Seven, but I still don't like it. For me, the ending of Fight Club negates so much of what was good and came before it.

In my view, Fincher should get far more credit for Panic Room. That movie is incredibly underrated, I think.

I know alot of people did not like Alien 4, but I liked it. The only problem with it was that Ripley was a clone, well blame Alien 3 for that. For me I didn't like Alien 3 because I didn't really care about the cast (rapist/killers....who cares if they get killed) You cared for the people in Alien & Aliens. The only interesting character in Alien 3 was Clemmons (the doctor) and he was like one of the first people to get killed off.

kpowers said:

I know alot of people did not like Alien 4, but I liked it. The only problem with it was that Ripley was a clone, well blame Alien 3 for that. For me I didn't like Alien 3 because I didn't really care about the cast (rapist/killers....who cares if they get killed) You cared for the people in Alien & Aliens. The only interesting character in Alien 3 was Clemmons (the doctor) and he was like one of the first people to get killed off.

yep, 90% of the characters were just faceless rapists/killers with no dialogue waiting to get killed by the alien...

at least the gore effects were superb

alien 3 is a great movie. it's fucking david fincher, one of the greatest directors of the current age

the main problem with the alien series is not the directors, but that each movie is so different to each other as they have completely different directors, and each director was relatively new to directing features

you have ridley scott who did the first one, it was his second feature film that he directed. you may remember he did the famous hovis adverts not long before alien. his brother director top gun and a bunch of other OTT action movies that deserve you leaving your brain at the door before watching

alien was chopping to fucking peices. the original cut was about 3 hours long. there's shitloads of outtakes circulating. if you peice back the movie to the workprint, you find that it has more in common with tarskovskiy's solaris (fuck that clooney soderburgh shit). there is no dialogue for the first quarter hour or so, just like michael winners original version of the mechanic, and you have no idea that ridley is the featured character. like solaris or 2001 there are loads of long slow shots with dialogue or score that just set the slow pace of being in space. the slow pacing and editing makes the eventual discovery of an alien more of a surprise, and makes ridley a less suspecting hero. by the time the studio cut the fucking living shit out the movie it was an entirely different beast. as you know after seeing the many different cuts of blade runner and the dumbed down voiceovers that harrison ford purposely voiced idiotically in the hope they wouldn't be used, you can see how different a true directors vision can be fucked up by studios

aliens was given to another new director who had just made a movie about a fucking robot that came back in space and blew lots of shit up. so in aliens they blew lots of shit up. and then blew some more shit up. and then some more. and then you think the movie is about to end and the studios release a "directors cut" and blow some more shit up. and then some more. in 3D. not really. not in 3D at least. at least not yet. but it will come. just you fucking mark my words

so the aliens guy then made more movies about fucking robots that came back from the future to blow shit up. and then blow more shit up. so they got a guy who hadn't even directed one feature yet. but he made some music videos for madonna, george michael and the bird from americal idol, so surely he can make a movie with aliens and blow some shit up? except in this movie there was no shit getting blown up. they gave him a fucking amazing cast of almost all brit luvvy actors. people that could read lines and act, and who hadn't been in any movies where shit gets blown up. and in alien3 they made a movie with a real script and story and dialogue and proper acting, instead of lots of shit getting blown up. and the morons who liked shit getting blown up in aliens but through alien was boring as shit through that alien3 was boring as shit cuz no shit got blown up

so what did they do next? they got the french guy who made a critically acclaimed luvvy movie and then made another movie with the guy from hellboy and sons of anarchy, but before he did that popular shit, and they gave him a shitload of money to make a movie that brought a dead character back to life by a sort of psuedo science that's basically complete and utter bollocks. and of course as he had never made a movie like that before, and the studio were standing over him and didn't let him make the alien movie ANYTHING whatsoever like the films he made before and after, the films that people really like, alien4 turned into be a baguette de merd. which is french for bag of shite. and then the fucking frog took all the fucking money he made from aliens and made some critically acclaimed movies that millions of people went and saw and said the director was fucking amazing. even though they didn't like the movies cuz they were all in fucking french and they had no idea wtf people were saying in them, cuz the types of morons who saw alien4 can't read, so couldn't follow the fucking subtitles on amelia. if they wanted to read a fucking movie they would have bought a comic book

so if the studios hadn't fucked up the alien franchise enough, what do they do? they get the moron who made a fucking movie based on a video game to make a movie based on a videogame. one that takes not one, but two franchises and smashes them together to one unholy motherfucker of a fucking mess. if the alien franchise wasn't fucked already, it was more than fucked by the time they took a movie with an ex wrestler turned govner of minnesota, land of the fucking sexdwarf, and the the robot dude from the movie directed by the dude who did aliens, and made it a fucking PG cut. then made a sequel that was even more shitier, just to show they could make a shittier movie than the first, as a warning not to see in in case they made another fucking sequel that was even worse

so then 30 years later, the hovis director dude throught he could make a few quid by doing another sequel, and then changed his mind and made another movie instead. probably in 3D. guaranteed there will be a directors cut. cuz he likes that shit

so if you don't like alien3 you will prolly love lots of other shit movies and hate good ones with proper acting. go see fast five, you will love that shit

like some when i first say alien3 i went with some friends of mine excited and yes a bit drunk lol ..but the film at 1st i thought was garbage. i fell asleep in the movies on it. so i had 2 watch it again, sober and it wasn't as bad as my intial viewing. as time goes on and i got the quad set on dvd, i still like the film but i am not in love with it. i loved charles dutton's character, and the one that survives he cracks me up. the chase scenes down the coridors and the camera action i loved it cause it gives a POV of the alien and the prisioners. my favorite scene of the movie is when ripley runs to the cafeteria 2 tell them all the alien is here and the snob gets grabbed from the ceiling and eating and the other inmate just says ..FUCK!!

having watched the uncut/deleted scenes of alien 3 it's like watching a different movie from the theater released version, even the birth of the alien is different. if anything this movie does prove that the big wigs sometimes need 2 shut the hell up and let a artist create their craft.

I like Alien 3, it's not perfect & Fincher got effed over quite a bit by the studio. But it's a dark, interesting film and i LOVE the music!

L4OATheOriginal said:

like some when i first say alien3 i went with some friends of mine excited and yes a bit drunk lol ..but the film at 1st i thought was garbage. i fell asleep in the movies on it. so i had 2 watch it again, sober and it wasn't as bad as my intial viewing. as time goes on and i got the quad set on dvd, i still like the film but i am not in love with it. i loved charles dutton's character, and the one that survives he cracks me up. the chase scenes down the coridors and the camera action i loved it cause it gives a POV of the alien and the prisioners. my favorite scene of the movie is when ripley runs to the cafeteria 2 tell them all the alien is here and the snob gets grabbed from the ceiling and eating and the other inmate just says ..FUCK!!

having watched the uncut/deleted scenes of alien 3 it's like watching a different movie from the theater released version, even the birth of the alien is different. if anything this movie does prove that the big wigs sometimes need 2 shut the hell up and let a artist create their craft.

if you like the aliens series you need to get the fan edits where they took all the circulating cut scenes and peiced them back together into the movie to make the longest available versions, with nothing cut out (the official directors cut of alien is shorter than the original cut, some bits added, some removed, the fan cut is FAR longer with nothing removed)

there's a whole scene of fan restorations of movies where the extras are cut back into movies, some scenes are taken from old videotapes (when extras were on vhs but omitted from later dvd releases), laserdiscs and sometimes even trailers and documentaries. they rarely cut parts out, but then you have a few things like the phantom edit where jar jar is almost completely removed from the movie, or a cut of heat that edits most of the slow scenes to create a non stop action flick

out of the bunch, apart from a very well done restoration of star wars where they guy souped up the visuals but kept the rest as per the original cut, the aliens series are the best of the fan edits in as far as adding greatly to the movie, alien in particular. there is also a long almost 4 hour cut of titanic that looks amazing, using all the outtakes from the dvds put back in place. that movie was made by the guy that made the robot movie too