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I think he's looking kind of hot lately.

Tyler that is... Spyke looking hot would require a light switch.

Tyler has always been easy on the eyes. His movies on the other hand......

Black on Black

Harlepolis said:

Tyler has always been easy on the eyes. His movies on the other hand......

I'm hoping I run into him in a gay bar one day on the DL.

Hope spring eternal.

Harlepolis said:

Tyler has always been easy on the eyes. His movies on the other hand......

He can try to make this about Spike all he wants to but there's a lot of validity in the criticism coming his way. If he doesn't want to grow and evolve as an artist fine, just say that, but acting like his shit don't stink is silly.

But this passage is just laughable. For him to compare the dreck he writes and produces to these well-written shows and talented authors made me

“This is where the whole Spike Lee [thing] comes from – the negativity, this is Stepin Fetchit, this is coonery, this is buffoonery, and they try to get people to get on this bandwagon with them, to get this mob mentality to come against what I’m doing. I’ve never seen Jewish people attack “Seinfeld” and say ‘this is a stereotype,’ I’ve never seen Italian people attack “The Sopranos,” I’ve never seen Jewish people complaining about Mrs. Doubtfire or Dustin Hoffman in Tootsie. I never saw it. It’s always black people, and this is something that I cannot undo. Booker T. Washington and W.E.B. DuBois went through the exact same thing; Langston Hughes said that Zora Neale Hurston, the woman who wrote Their Eyes Were Watching God, was a new version of the darkie because she spoke in a southern dialect and a Southern tone.”

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Interesting that folk would make this out as a "Perry vs. Lee" thing. The stuff Spike says about Tyler's crap work didn't begin or end with Spike.

That aside, while I'm VERY critical of Tyler Perry's stuff, I have to disagree with my man Spike on one point: Beneath the silliness, I've never felt Perry's stuff was undignified. Simply making people laugh does not make one a buffoon. And Perry's foolery is always offset by a certain degree of wisdom. I do think Perry's work is trapped, however, in clichés, theatric fallacies and rudimentary narrative archs that are downright insulting to me as a thinking adult. I want to see him improve, because I suspect he can give us so much more sophistication.

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Lammastide said:

Interesting that folk would make this out as a "Perry vs. Lee" thing. The stuff Spike says about Tyler's crap work didn't begin or end with Spike.

That aside, while I'm VERY critical of Tyler Perry's stuff, I have to disagree with my man Spike. Beneath the silliness, I've never felt Perry's stuff was undignified. Simply making people laugh does not make one a buffoon. I do think Perry's work is trapped, however, in clichés, theatric fallacies and rudimentary narrative archs that are downright insulting to thinking adults.

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That's what I thought too. When's the last time Spike said something about Tyler? And I don't recall Spike constantly criticising him either. TP makes it look like everytime Spike sees a mic he's talking shit about TP.

Lammastide said:

Interesting that folk would make this out as a "Perry vs. Lee" thing. The stuff Spike says about Tyler's crap work didn't begin or end with Spike.

That aside, while I'm VERY critical of Tyler Perry's stuff, I have to disagree with my man Spike on one point: Beneath the silliness, I've never felt Perry's stuff was undignified. Simply making people laugh does not make one a buffoon. And Perry's foolery is always offset by a certain degree of wisdom. I do think Perry's work is trapped, however, in clichés, theatric fallacies and rudimentary narrative archs that are downright insulting to me as a thinking adult. I want to see him improve, because I suspect he can give us so much more sophistication.

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I do. Not the "attempted" comedy I find undignified, but his portrayal of black women in his movies is,,,,,,I sound like a broken record at this point, so you know what I mean. And it NEVER ceases to amazes me that out of all the people who should flock to his films, WOMEN make his largest audience. Truly amazing.

That being said, Spike Lee ain't exactly off the hook either. While Tyler painted his female characters to be a certain way, Spike objectified the HELL outta them, I wonder if anybody confronted him about this thing.

And I don't feel one ounce of remorse for Tyler, he said blatantly that he has no intentions to evolve and push his limits, but will cry foul when folks call him out on it.

apparently alot of black people love that stuff

dont get mad at perry get mad at the people going to see that stuff ...duh

SCNDLS said:

Harlepolis said:

Tyler has always been easy on the eyes. His movies on the other hand......

But this passage is just laughable. For him to compare the dreck he writes and produces to these well-written shows and talented authors made me

“This is where the whole Spike Lee [thing] comes from – the negativity, this is Stepin Fetchit, this is coonery, this is buffoonery, and they try to get people to get on this bandwagon with them, to get this mob mentality to come against what I’m doing. I’ve never seen Jewish people attack “Seinfeld” and say ‘this is a stereotype,’ I’ve never seen Italian people attack “The Sopranos,” I’ve never seen Jewish people complaining about Mrs. Doubtfire or Dustin Hoffman in Tootsie. I never saw it. It’s always black people, and this is something that I cannot undo. Booker T. Washington and W.E.B. DuBois went through the exact same thing; Langston Hughes said that Zora Neale Hurston, the woman who wrote Their Eyes Were Watching God, was a new version of the darkie because she spoke in a southern dialect and a Southern tone.”

In short, he's trying to cash in the ol' "I'm black, so black people should be happy for my success and STFU" cop out plea. Not in this day & age, MADea.

tyler perry easy on the eyes!!

you jokers must be smoking crack, perry is one ugly long faced man

formallypickles said:

tyler perry easy on the eyes!!

you jokers must be smoking crack, perry is one ugly long faced man

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Harlepolis said:

formallypickles said:

tyler perry easy on the eyes!!

you jokers must be smoking crack, perry is one ugly long faced man

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that face is big a turn off , all round and big and slightly botoxed

im suprised he could pull off drag as well as he did.

terry perry is an ugly drag superstar...

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Harlepolis said:

SCNDLS said:

But this passage is just laughable. For him to compare the dreck he writes and produces to these well-written shows and talented authors made me

“This is where the whole Spike Lee [thing] comes from – the negativity, this is Stepin Fetchit, this is coonery, this is buffoonery, and they try to get people to get on this bandwagon with them, to get this mob mentality to come against what I’m doing. I’ve never seen Jewish people attack “Seinfeld” and say ‘this is a stereotype,’ I’ve never seen Italian people attack “The Sopranos,” I’ve never seen Jewish people complaining about Mrs. Doubtfire or Dustin Hoffman in Tootsie. I never saw it. It’s always black people, and this is something that I cannot undo. Booker T. Washington and W.E.B. DuBois went through the exact same thing; Langston Hughes said that Zora Neale Hurston, the woman who wrote Their Eyes Were Watching God, was a new version of the darkie because she spoke in a southern dialect and a Southern tone.”

In short, he's trying to cash in the ol' "I'm black, so black people should be happy for my success and STFU" cop out plea. Not in this day & age, MADea.

He's also not much for cross-cultural observation. Italian critics routinely panned The Sopranos for pandering stereotypes. And while I don't recall Seinfeld or Hoffman's performance in Tootsie drawing direct criticism, there's been a body of work citing for some time the emasculation of the Jewish male in mass media.

And to my knowledge, Robin Williams is about as non-Jewish as you can get.

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formallypickles said:

Harlepolis said:

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that face is big turn off , all round big and slightly botoxed

im suprised he could pull off drag as well as he did.

terry perry is an ugly drag superstar...

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Harlepolis said:

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Graycap23 said:

Black on Black

Sad but true. But remember, Spike Lee (.......boule! ) started THIS feud. And now, Tyler Perry is going to finish it once and for all.

And to think this hot mess could have been prevented if Spike would have "pass the torch" to Tyler by acknowledge him as the most successful black filmmaker for the moment.

CUE This is the part where Harle OR anyone else goes off on me!

Harlepolis said:

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I didn't know Spike called him a buffoon and a stepin fetchit. Well...the former is true in terms of his Madea character.

While I applaud him for standing up to Spike Lee and for building his movie empire, albeit an empire based on a limited body of work, he can't be so blind as to see Spike's point. How many damn Madea movies can Tyler make before the character becomes unlikeable and before the audience rebels?

No doubt Spike is likely jealous of Tyler's success (there isn't a Spike Lee movie studio to my knowledge) but it's a shame that these two can't come together and collaborate and learn from one another. Clearly Spike is missing something because he hasn't had a hit in I don't know how long and clearly Tyler is limiting himself to a certain type of audience within the black movie going public and short changing himself on industry respect. Of course the latter might not matter much but if one is to complain about why more black actors are not acknowledged come Oscar time, well...

How about Spike and Tyler do a film called:

Madea DOES THE RIGHT THING!

It can be about her early days as an integral part of the civil rights movement; back when she and Rosa Parks were best buds.

TonyVanDam said:

Graycap23 said:

Black on Black

Sad but true. But remember, Spike Lee (.......boule! ) started THIS feud. And now, Tyler Perry is going to finish it once and for all.

And to think this hot mess could have been prevented if Spike would have "pass the torch" to Tyler by acknowledge him as the most successful black filmmaker for the moment.

CUE This is the part where Harle OR anyone else goes off on me!

I love the fact that Spike Lee doesn't give a fuck about looking like the "bad guy/midget" to the press as long as there's truth to what he says, and there is no matter how folks try to sugarcoat it or try to poke holes in Spike's argument, he's only pointing whats clearly stated in Tyler's films, I don't understand how he(Tyler) screams foul. Its like Paul Mooney said, "its late in the day, n*ggas wanna a dance for a piece of chicken, they got to get called on on it".

But with all the shortage of black films nowadays, I don't think people have an issue with Tyler Perry as a PERSON, in fact, many of these "hard to satisfy negros & neglits" would embrace him if there's more to his movies than paying homage to Butterfly McQueen and Hattie McDaniels. Those same people have pointed out times & time again that he's one of the few who steady keep hiring black cast, so we know he's a decent guy. A decent guy with some of the shittiest films ever.

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TonyVanDam said:

Graycap23 said:

Black on Black

Sad but true. But remember, Spike Lee (.......boule! ) started THIS feud. And now, Tyler Perry is going to finish it once and for all.

And to think this hot mess could have been prevented if Spike would have "pass the torch" to Tyler by acknowledge him as the most successful black filmmaker for the moment.

CUE This is the part where Harle OR anyone else goes off on me!

I'll bite: Pass what torch? Dude you crazy. You kill me with this shit as IF Spike could make TP receive his guidance. For all we know, Spike did reach out to him and TP wasn't having it. And what feud? Spike spoke his opinion just like e'ry body else has a right to. He didn't go in on TP at all so I don't get why it's a feud.

HotGritz said:

Harlepolis said:

http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2011/04/20/tyler-perry-says-spike-lee-can-go-straight-to-hell/?mod=google_news_blog

I didn't know Spike called him a buffoon and a stepin fetchit. Well...the former is true in terms of his Madea character.

While I applaud him for standing up to Spike Lee and for building his movie empire, albeit an empire based on a limited body of work, he can't be so blind as to see Spike's point. How many damn Madea movies can Tyler make before the character becomes unlikeable and before the audience rebels?

No doubt Spike is likely jealous of Tyler's success (there isn't a Spike Lee movie studio to my knowledge) but it's a shame that these two can't come together and collaborate and learn from one another. Clearly Spike is missing something because he hasn't had a hit in I don't know how long and clearly Tyler is limiting himself to a certain type of audience within the black movie going public and short changing himself on industry respect. Of course the latter might not matter much but if one is to complain about why more black actors are not acknowledged come Oscar time, well...

How about Spike and Tyler do a film called:

Madea DOES THE RIGHT THING!

It can be about her early days as an integral part of the civil rights movement; back when she and Rosa Parks were best buds.

Nur you didn't say that.

Spike and Tyler gonna be best friends after all the smoke clears, in about a year or two.

SCNDLS said:

TonyVanDam said:

Sad but true. But remember, Spike Lee (.......boule! ) started THIS feud. And now, Tyler Perry is going to finish it once and for all.

And to think this hot mess could have been prevented if Spike would have "pass the torch" to Tyler by acknowledge him as the most successful black filmmaker for the moment.

CUE This is the part where Harle OR anyone else goes off on me!

I'll bite: Pass what torch? Dude you crazy. You kill me with this shit as IF Spike could make TP receive his guidance. For all we know, Spike did reach out to him and TP wasn't having it. And what feud? Spike spoke his opinion just like e'ry body else has a right to. He didn't go in on TP at all so I don't get why it's a feud.

Talk about a play on words.

HotGritz said:

Harlepolis said:

http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2011/04/20/tyler-perry-says-spike-lee-can-go-straight-to-hell/?mod=google_news_blog

I didn't know Spike called him a buffoon and a stepin fetchit. Well...the former is true in terms of his Madea character.

While I applaud him for standing up to Spike Lee and for building his movie empire, albeit an empire based on a limited body of work, he can't be so blind as to see Spike's point. How many damn Madea movies can Tyler make before the character becomes unlikeable and before the audience rebels?

No doubt Spike is likely jealous of Tyler's success (there isn't a Spike Lee movie studio to my knowledge) but it's a shame that these two can't come together and collaborate and learn from one another. Clearly Spike is missing something because he hasn't had a hit in I don't know how long and clearly Tyler is limiting himself to a certain type of audience within the black movie going public and short changing himself on industry respect. Of course the latter might not matter much but if one is to complain about why more black actors are not acknowledged come Oscar time, well...

How about Spike and Tyler do a film called:

Madea DOES THE RIGHT THING!

It can be about her early days as an integral part of the civil rights movement; back when she and Rosa Parks were best buds.

1. You a fool.

2. You need to write that script.

HotGritz said:

SCNDLS said:

I'll bite: Pass what torch? Dude you crazy. You kill me with this shit as IF Spike could make TP receive his guidance. For all we know, Spike did reach out to him and TP wasn't having it. And what feud? Spike spoke his opinion just like e'ry body else has a right to. He didn't go in on TP at all so I don't get why it's a feud.

Talk about a play on words.

Take that, take that, take that!

SCNDLS said:

HotGritz said:

Talk about a play on words.

Take that, take that, take that!

I put $5 dolla on Spike being the bottom. Tyler aint neva gonna let nobody ride him again...not if Madea have anything to say about it. I'm gonna call that script Biker Boyz II. Guest starring Chippy D.

In Tony's defense, he was joking with the last part This is his second time saying this, and probably out of pissing folks off,,,for the hell of it.

HotGritz said:

SCNDLS said:

Take that, take that, take that!

I put $5 dolla on Spike being the bottom. Tyler aint neva gonna let nobody ride him again...not if Madea have anything to say about it. I'm gonna call that script Biker Boyz II. Guest starring Chippy D.

Oh hayellll naw, you already know TP would be too eager to throw them legs straight back hollering, "I gotta have it, Spikey!"

Harlepolis said:

In Tony's defense, he was joking with the last part This is his second time saying this, and probably out of pissing folks off,,,for the hell of it.

Chile, I know that fool, but he mostly serious.

SCNDLS said:

HotGritz said:

I put $5 dolla on Spike being the bottom. Tyler aint neva gonna let nobody ride him again...not if Madea have anything to say about it. I'm gonna call that script Biker Boyz II. Guest starring Chippy D.

Oh hayellll naw, you already know TP would be too eager to throw them legs straight back hollering, "I gotta have it, Spikey!"

LLLLLOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLL

I just don't think Spike is packing like that. I swear that muhfugga got a 3 incher if anything. Any dude that can cross his legs with ease is obviously missing some twig. Tyler don't neva eva sit crossed leg....u notice that? He might put his ankle on his other knee but that lasts about a minute then he shifts position.

I recognize the big dick signs.