johnart said:

Virgo92 said:

TonyVanDam said: I agree with everything you said, except the homophobe part. I don't dislike gay people, one of my classmates is gay and we are cool as hell. I just don't like being around gay people. I listen to Freddie Murcury, Elton John and David Bowie.Their all was/is gay.

If you werent a man (boy) of color (or at least you profess to be) I'd be expecting you to say that you have a black friend next.

Oh, he does? Well let me be the first,

NUCCAH, PLEASE!

Shyra said:

StonedImmaculate said:

Don't agree with homosexuality but I do agree that I am in no position to dictate to or judge anyone on their personal preferences.

These so-called Christians who want to tell people how they're going to burn in hell for not following the bible are fools. Some of them may have true Christian hearts, but they seem to be unable to comprehend that part of the bible where it describes our Lord as a forgiving and understanding God.

Funny thing is I've had several gay associates at work over the years...maybe 8 or 9 that I've been in close, direct contact with. While we never hung out outside of work, I did consider them friends. We'd go out to lunch etc, but it was always in a big group of employees-gay straight whatever. Always had fun and I never brought up my personal beliefs about their lifestyle, but as soon as they found out my three kids go to Catholic school, they were questioning me and looking at me funny. Led to some very insightful and funny conversations. To each his own.

And why do some guys prefer a dick in the ass to bouncing tits? I dunno...my wife thoroughly enjoys my dick in her ass too, so again...to each his own.

I don't accept that for one minute. If they were "true Christians" they wouldn't be so damned judgement and rigid. They would accept everyone as one of God's own. Don't get me started on "Christians!"

Nothing irks me more than folk who proclaim "tolerance" (I just don't like this word, it's like "you're doing something bad but I will put up with it" to me). I can't take a "Christian" telling me "I don't agree with it, but it's God's place to judge, not mine." Because what I'm hearing when you say that is, "Fine go on with your buttsex...God'll get you in the end."

I rather you just upfront dislike me for who and what I am, then we don't have to tip-toe around or be bothered with each other.

The same reason people hate blacks, hispanics, asians, or any other minority. They want to feel superior to someone else.

Spinlight said:

SUPRMAN said:

I remember going to a therapist in the military as part of drug counseling.

He almost his professional composure when I told him I was gay. There was just the two of us in the room. I thought he was going to run out.

Two weeks later, he told me that his best friend had just come out to him. It shook him up because he felt he should have known.

I became his therapist, helping him deal with it. He did not want to remain the man's friend, even though the man had never made a pass at it.

That's what's going to fuck up Virgo. He's going to have some cool friends and not know how to act when/if they come out.

There was one guy in the military who was SO pissed at me, because I never tried to get with him despite the fact that he would make himself available. I loved him, but as a friend and wouldn't want to have ruined it by trying to make him my everything.

Most of the time, a key component of vaccines is a small dose of the virus itself.

I'm kidding. Look, I don't wish harm on anyone, but let's be real here. At some point, you must make a choice to define yourself and while it might not sound like I am giving him a lot of room given his age, he has had plenty of room to express bigotry.

I don't whitewash things for people anymore. I used to, when I was younger, because I felt that everyone deserved a chance. Then I realized that life IS that chance and chances are greeting you at the door every morning and night to further educate yourself.

I ain't one of those people who walks around hating everything I don't know. If something is really worth forming an opinion on, I'm going to really get in there and understand why I don't like it. Call me rational or a critical thinker if you MUST (no, go ahead!), but I think even a chimpanzee learns the difference between right and wrong after only a few instances of having the choice.

Virgo92 said:

I respect gay people, but I can't be around gay men. It's just weird, I always think that they wanna fuck me. Gay girls on the other hand...we need more of them

Oh hell naw! What makes you so damn hot that gay men would want to fuck you? And why the hell would you think we need more gay girls? If they are gay, they don't want your ass. Hello????? Gay, whether it's a male or a female, means attracted to the same sex, not the opposite sex so what the hell would a gay woman possibly want with you? Oh, so you like to watch? Well, why? Are you not capable of satistfying a straight woman so you have to just sit back and simply "watch" two women that aren't attracted to you whatsoever?

johnart said:

Shyra said:

I don't accept that for one minute. If they were "true Christians" they wouldn't be so damned judgemental and rigid. They would accept everyone as one of God's own. Don't get me started on "Christians!"

Nothing irks me more than folk who proclaim "tolerance" (I just don't like this word, it's like "you're doing something bad but I will put up with it" to me). I can't take a "Christian" telling me "I don't agree with it, but it's God's place to judge, not mine." Because what I'm hearing when you say that is, "Fine go on with your buttsex...God'll get you in the end."

I rather you just upfront dislike me for who and what I am, then we don't have to tip-toe around or be bothered with each other.

Good point, John. I used to have these return address stickers that had the quote, "Teach Tolerance." Reading your take makes a hell of a lot of sense to me now. Thanks, hon!

Virgo92 said:

SUPRMAN said:

Correction: You don't like being around men you know are openly gay. Closeted gay men are ok as long as they don't come at you.

Agree.

Well, that shit works both ways. Lesbians don't want your ass coming on to them either.

johnart said:

Shyra said:

I don't accept that for one minute. If they were "true Christians" they wouldn't be so damned judgement and rigid. They would accept everyone as one of God's own. Don't get me started on "Christians!"

Nothing irks me more than folk who proclaim "tolerance" (I just don't like this word, it's like "you're doing something bad but I will put up with it" to me). I can't take a "Christian" telling me "I don't agree with it, but it's God's place to judge, not mine." Because what I'm hearing when you say that is, "Fine go on with your buttsex...God'll get you in the end."

I rather you just upfront dislike me for who and what I am, then we don't have to tip-toe around or be bothered with each other.

StonedImmaculate said:

Don't agree with homosexuality but I do agree that I am in no position to dictate to or judge anyone on their personal preferences.

These so-called Christians who want to tell people how they're going to burn in hell for not following the bible are fools. Some of them may have true Christian hearts, but they seem to be unable to comprehend that part of the bible where it describes our Lord as a forgiving and understanding God.

Funny thing is I've had several gay associates at work over the years...maybe 8 or 9 that I've been in close, direct contact with. While we never hung out outside of work, I did consider them friends. We'd go out to lunch etc, but it was always in a big group of employees-gay straight whatever. Always had fun and I never brought up my personal beliefs about their lifestyle, but as soon as they found out my three kids go to Catholic school, they were questioning me and looking at me funny. Led to some very insightful and funny conversations. To each his own.

And why do some guys prefer a dick in the ass to bouncing tits? I dunno...my wife thoroughly enjoys my dick in her ass too, so again...to each his own.

This always amuses me. Make a judgment and then cop-out with I don't judge or in your case,"I am in no position to dictate or judge..."

Spinlight said:

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

I'm cool with homosexuals, both male and female.

Only thing I find heartbreaking is when I find a nice guy, who's sensitive and caring and seems to be wonderful..only to find out he likes guys, not girls.

That has happened to me twice.

When I was younger, I fell in love with 2 (COUNT EM, 2!!!) of my best friends. One when I was like 17 and one when I was about 13. To know that they were straight, yet felt comfortable around me like I was just one of the boys was probably one of the most painful things I can think of in my early years. Then again, I had masturbation material on tap. It was KIIIIIINDA awesome cuz they were never shy with their bodies.

All men are pigs.

Shit. In college I followed my best friend around like a puppy for THREE FUCKING YEARS. We were all skateboarders in the skate culture and skate boys can get pretty chummy with each other but this boy was straight as hell. He slept with as many girls as he could get. Which would send me into a high-anxiety depression. He was/is beautiful. He knew I was gay, told me he loved me, gave me hugs, protected me when I was bullied, was very much a pro-gay-pro-black progressive type of white dude, etc. It was torture for me. I never did know why he was so kind to me. Eventually he met one of my girl friends from the English department and the two fell in love, moved in together, had a baby, got married etc. By that time I had high-tailed it out of Texas. I never saw him again. I've hear various things throughout the years and have we've talked on the phone maybe four times in the last 15 years. Think about him every time I listen to De La Soul's "Stakes is High..."

Lammastide said:

ZombieKitten said:

the fear of being gay

I have spoken to straight men who are uncomfortable around gay men for the fear that they may be hit on. And it's not the hitting on itself (that part is kind of flattering), it's the fear that they themselves may be inadvertently be sending out a gay vibe, the fear that they themselves may be mistaken for being gay. The fear that other straight men, their friends even might ridicule them or even victimise them. It's a legitimate fear, gay men have been bashed and killed just for being gay

That's a really interesting take. I could buy this for some men.

I've got a former classmate -- straight, naturally very stylish and perhaps one of the most physically beautiful men I've ever met -- who initially sent my gaydar off the charts, but gave me entirely hetero once I got to know him. After spending some time with him, I actually started to feel for the guy. He was the type of attractive that when he walked into a room, everyone -- gay, straight, male and female -- would notice him. And both in school and out in the city, gay men in particular would come out of the woodwork to rub shoulders with him. This had to be somewhat challenging, because he was 1) a newlywed; and 2) a candidate for the Anglican priesthood under the heavy scrutiny of superior bishops, seminary professors and peers. I picked up not an inkling of contempt for gay people per se from him -- he actually was quite progressive around LGBT concerns -- but I could see how all the come-ons were cramping him at times.

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"and god help you if you are an ugly girl
course too pretty is also your doom
cause everyone harbors a secret hatred
for the prettiest girl in the room" ani

TheResistor said:

Spinlight said:

When I was younger, I fell in love with 2 (COUNT EM, 2!!!) of my best friends. One when I was like 17 and one when I was about 13. To know that they were straight, yet felt comfortable around me like I was just one of the boys was probably one of the most painful things I can think of in my early years. Then again, I had masturbation material on tap. It was KIIIIIINDA awesome cuz they were never shy with their bodies.

All men are pigs.

Shit. In college I followed my best friend around like a puppy for THREE FUCKING YEARS. We were all skateboarders in the skate culture and skate boys can get pretty chummy with each other but this boy was straight as hell. He slept with as many girls as he could get. Which would send me into a high-anxiety depression. He was/is beautiful. He knew I was gay, told me he loved me, gave me hugs, protected me when I was bullied, was very much a pro-gay-pro-black progressive type of white dude, etc. It was torture for me. I never did know why he was so kind to me. Eventually he met one of my girl friends from the English department and the two fell in love, moved in together, had a baby, got married etc. By that time I had high-tailed it out of Texas. I never saw him again. I've hear various things throughout the years and have we've talked on the phone maybe four times in the last 15 years. Think about him every time I listen to De La Soul's "Stakes is High..."

That reminded me of my stories. Touching! But sad. My friend when I was 17 was the same way. He even grew up with heinously redneck parents (though the mom "meant well" - you know the type), but his uncle was gay. When I came out to him, after about 2 yrs of friendship, he didn't even care. In fact, his response was, "who knows, I could be gay, why does it matter, who cares?" That was the most heartwarming thing someone had ever said to me. I think that he even felt more open with me after that - he certainly was more open with walking around me in various states of disrobement.

After I moved out of the house in college, I lost touch with him. He got a girlfriend and he was very much into her and they had a decent relationship. I think I lost a bit of his respect in that situation because the girl was very troubled and my immature concern probably made me come across as being judgy-wudgy.

I got back in touch with him last year or so after not speaking for.... Something like 7 years. But it wasn't the same anymore. I saw pictures on his facebook of him going to young religious-person seminar things? I dunno, it was in Palm Beach or Palm Springs, and my heart shattered. I felt there was likely no way that a religious person would be able to take me seriously because not only am I gay but I am a pretty outspoken kind of person. We didn't keep contact after the initial reconnection. Part of me felt that it was possibly because his parents pressured him into abandoning it. They never really did like me - even less so when I came out.

eye did a niteshift 3 years ago there were 4 of us two women me & this very gay man.now this man was over me all nite eye just wanted 2 smack him one but i need my job right.he kept sitting so close 2 me saying "o dave eye find u so fascinating".then when it was time 4 a break no way was eye sitting with him 4 2 hours he said "come on dave sit with me eye wont bite u"god eye wanted 2 smack him! but eye tried 2 stay polite & calm and 4 the rest of the nite did my best 2b civil.now eye dont hate gays but if they get in my face & start the flirting crap with me infrount of work mates who respect me he best bware!!!!!

Is this Stupid Motherfuckers in GD week?

Virgo92 said:

JustErin said:

And what if they do want to fuck you? Are you afraid that you'll be convinced to do it?

I simply don't get this reasoning.

If they wanna fuck me, well I can't do anything about it. I'll just walk away.

Just stay out of prison, Dallas, Chicago, San Francisco and White Party week in Miami this November and you'll be okay. But if you go to Atlanta during the summer, you're screwed...literally.

Wait....are you at least cute? If you're ugly...well....stay out of prison.

vainandy said:

Virgo92 said:

I respect gay people, but I can't be around gay men. It's just weird, I always think that they wanna fuck me. Gay girls on the other hand...we need more of them

Oh hell naw! What makes you so damn hot that gay men would want to fuck you? And why the hell would you think we need more gay girls? If they are gay, they don't want your ass. Hello????? Gay, whether it's a male or a female, means attracted to the same sex, not the opposite sex so what the hell would a gay woman possibly want with you? Oh, so you like to watch? Well, why? Are you not capable of satistfying a straight woman so you have to just sit back and simply "watch" two women that aren't attracted to you whatsoever?

Oh snap!!

Come on andy you know damn well when str8 dudes watch chicks grinding, the next to last thing on their minds is whether the chicks want them. Straight dudes find women, no matter the women's preference, sexually attractive. They just wanna see titty and cooch. Kind of like when some str8 women occasionally watch man on man porn. They just wanna see ass and dick. This is purely conjecture based on an old post from Deadflower3 and what some str8 men who chase lesbians have told me. Speaking of Deadflower...she gone missing or something? She had some thread awhile back about how she wanted to sexu up a gay dude.

Shyra said:

StonedImmaculate said:

Don't agree with homosexuality but I do agree that I am in no position to dictate to or judge anyone on their personal preferences.

These so-called Christians who want to tell people how they're going to burn in hell for not following the bible are fools. Some of them may have true Christian hearts, but they seem to be unable to comprehend that part of the bible where it describes our Lord as a forgiving and understanding God.

Funny thing is I've had several gay associates at work over the years...maybe 8 or 9 that I've been in close, direct contact with. While we never hung out outside of work, I did consider them friends. We'd go out to lunch etc, but it was always in a big group of employees-gay straight whatever. Always had fun and I never brought up my personal beliefs about their lifestyle, but as soon as they found out my three kids go to Catholic school, they were questioning me and looking at me funny. Led to some very insightful and funny conversations. To each his own.

And why do some guys prefer a dick in the ass to bouncing tits? I dunno...my wife thoroughly enjoys my dick in her ass too, so again...to each his own.

I don't accept that for one minute. If they were "true Christians" they wouldn't be so damned judgement and rigid. They would accept everyone as one of God's own. Don't get me started on "Christians!"

I totally agree with you on this!

Vendetta1 said:

Is this Stupid Motherfuckers in GD week?

I'm glad that I don't have a problem with people being gay. Life's a lot easier when you accept everybody...except terrorists, pedophiles, murderers, thieves, rapists, catholic priests, and satan.

Maytiana said:

I'm glad that I don't have a problem with people being gay. Life's a lot easier when you accept everybody...except terrorists, pedophiles, murderers, thieves, rapists, catholic priests, and satan.

and Barney, apparently.

whistle said:

Maytiana said:

I'm glad that I don't have a problem with people being gay. Life's a lot easier when you accept everybody...except terrorists, pedophiles, murderers, thieves, rapists, catholic priests, and satan.

and Barney, apparently.

the purple dinosaur? ugh, no.. he's worse than Satan...

Vendetta1 said:

Is this Stupid Motherfuckers in GD week?

When there's no more room in P&R, the stupid motherf***ers shall posts on GD.

(Please forgive me for ripping off Dawn Of The Dead!)

Vendetta1 said:

Is this Stupid Motherfuckers in GD week?

Do me?

Shyra said:

johnart said:

Nothing irks me more than folk who proclaim "tolerance" (I just don't like this word, it's like "you're doing something bad but I will put up with it" to me). I can't take a "Christian" telling me "I don't agree with it, but it's God's place to judge, not mine." Because what I'm hearing when you say that is, "Fine go on with your buttsex...God'll get you in the end."

I rather you just upfront dislike me for who and what I am, then we don't have to tip-toe around or be bothered with each other.

Good point, John. I used to have these return address stickers that had the quote, "Teach Tolerance." Reading your take makes a hell of a lot of sense to me now. Thanks, hon!

PositivityNYC said:

johnart said:

Nothing irks me more than folk who proclaim "tolerance" (I just don't like this word, it's like "you're doing something bad but I will put up with it" to me). I can't take a "Christian" telling me "I don't agree with it, but it's God's place to judge, not mine." Because what I'm hearing when you say that is, "Fine go on with your buttsex...God'll get you in the end."

I rather you just upfront dislike me for who and what I am, then we don't have to tip-toe around or be bothered with each other.

Hey girlie!

Because they think they deserve special treatment based on their sexual preference.

minneapolisFunq said:

Because they think they deserve special treatment based on their sexual preference.

You're always so full of...wisdom. Yeah, that's it.

johnart said:

minneapolisFunq said:

Because they think they deserve special treatment based on their sexual preference.

You're always so full of...wisdom. Yeah, that's it.

What is wrong with that I posted?

I don't "hate" gay people, but I would be lying if I didn't say that certain traits annoy me.

This type of thing can vary from individual to individual, but I have seen a lot of it and I don't think it is an unwarranted observation.

Take it how you will

I just feel like straight men can't share their thoughts without being attacked and labeled as homophobic.

I'm not standing up for Jarvius either, because he is clearly trolling/full of hatred, I'm just hoping to clarify my position on the subject.

And yes, I know this won't end well

minneapolisFunq said:

johnart said:

You're always so full of...wisdom. Yeah, that's it.

What is wrong with that I posted?

I don't "hate" gay people, but I would be lying if I didn't say that certain traits annoy me.

This type of thing can vary from individual to individual, but I have seen a lot of it and I don't think it is an unwarranted observation.

Take it how you will

I just feel like straight men can't share their thoughts without being attacked and labeled as homophobic.

I'm not standing up for Jarvius either, because he is clearly trolling/full of hatred, I'm just hoping to clarify my position on the subject.

And yes, I know this won't end well

It need not end badly either.

Perhaps my response was a bit knee-jerk, but what's wrong with what you posted is that we do not want special treatment. We want equal treatment.

How are heterosexual men being wronged?

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Virgo92 said:

I respect gay people, but I can't be around gay men. It's just weird, I always think that they wanna fuck me. Gay girls on the other hand...we need more of them

I think its hot. I'm straight, but who doesn't want to know that someone else thinks they're fuckable?

More importantly, though, you're straight you're not going to fuck them, so why would that matter to you? Unfortunately I know this kind of thinking is not uncommon. I just think its completely broken logic.

Edit: For improper superfluous use of adverbs.

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