Fauxie said:

Virgo92 said:

Fauxie said: I'm going to try to get over being around gay people. I'm going to try to fix that problem.

That's good. Just try not to be uncomfortable or show your fear. They thrive on that and might not be able to stop themselves making a move. If you show it's no thing then soon you'll be accepted as just one of the guys, and then you can explore your feelings in your own time.

Gays are like dogs, they smell fear.

TonyVanDam said:

SUPRMAN said:

ELTON JOHN has never been in the closet.

There was a time when Elton used to lie about his homosexuality by telling people he was bisexual. Elton also married to a straight woman at one point.

He was married to a woman for four years.

I do remember him claiming to be bi.

I don't remember the marriage.

JustErin said:

Fauxie said:

That's good. Just try not to be uncomfortable or show your fear. They thrive on that and might not be able to stop themselves making a move. If you show it's no thing then soon you'll be accepted as just one of the guys, and then you can explore your feelings in your own time.

Gays are like dogs, they smell fear.

And if we catch the scent, you need to back away slooooooooooowly. Saying "Nice gay. Nice gay." and gesturing calmly with your hand. Otherwise we pounce.

We can't help ourselves.

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Virgo92 said:

SUPRMAN said:

Sad to read that.

Sad to read what? I put "agree" to end the convo haha

Sad to read that you agreed with my comments.

That 'closeted' men are somehow preferable.

That they should have to hide for yours or anyone else's friendship and approval.

johnart said:

JustErin said:

Gays are like dogs, they smell fear.

And if we catch the scent, you need to back away slooooooooooowly. Saying "Nice gay. Nice gay." and gesturing calmly with your hand. Otherwise we pounce.

We can't help ourselves.

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Wouldn't gesturing wildly and extravagantly put them more at ease? That's what I read. Something about mirroring their natural environment in the wild.

Virgo92 said:

Fauxie said:

That's cool. Like Virgo92 I respect gays because they're free and they live how they want to live, not letting the law or right and wrong or God or whatever stop them. I respect their choices. It's so wrong when ppl treat them like they're different or gay or whatever. We're all the same.

I'm going to try to get over being around gay people. I'm going to try to fix that problem.

If a man does make a pass at you, just decline and let it go. Accept it as a compliment.

It doesn't mean they 'see' you as gay, only someone they are interested in enough to take a chance to approach. Feel flattered.

SUPRMAN said:

SUPRMAN said:

Virgo92 said:

Fauxie said: I'm going to try to get over being around gay people. I'm going to try to fix that problem.

If a man does make a pass at you, just decline and let it go. Accept it as a compliment.

It doesn't mean they 'see' you as gay, only someone they are interested in enough to take a chance to approach. Feel flattered.

exactly! it means you're hot

My husband LOVES attention, all gay men are welcome to hit on him

Fauxie said:

johnart said:

And if we catch the scent, you need to back away slooooooooooowly. Saying "Nice gay. Nice gay." and gesturing calmly with your hand. Otherwise we pounce.

We can't help ourselves.

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Wouldn't gesturing wildly and extravagantly put them more at ease? That's what I read. Something about mirroring their natural environment in the wild.

No, you do that to make yourself look bigger than they are, like with a bear....a real bear, like in the woods kind of bear.

ZombieKitten said:

JustErin said:

And what if they do want to fuck you? Are you afraid that you'll be convinced to do it?

I simply don't get this reasoning.

the fear of being gay

I have spoken to straight men who are uncomfortable around gay men for the fear that they may be hit on. And it's not the hitting on itself (that part is kind of flattering), it's the fear that they themselves may be inadvertently be sending out a gay vibe, the fear that they themselves may be mistaken for being gay. The fear that other straight men, their friends even might ridicule them or even victimise them. It's a legitimate fear, gay men have been bashed and killed just for being gay

So true. I've had guys ask me what they were doing to come off as gay.

Absolutely nothing. If they were acting all that gay, I never would have come at them.

JustErin said:

Fauxie said:

That's good. Just try not to be uncomfortable or show your fear. They thrive on that and might not be able to stop themselves making a move. If you show it's no thing then soon you'll be accepted as just one of the guys, and then you can explore your feelings in your own time.

Gays are like dogs, they smell fear.

Yes, and that smell makes them want to see blood in the water.

Fauxie said:

johnart said:

And if we catch the scent, you need to back away slooooooooooowly. Saying "Nice gay. Nice gay." and gesturing calmly with your hand. Otherwise we pounce.

We can't help ourselves.

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Wouldn't gesturing wildly and extravagantly put them more at ease? That's what I read. Something about mirroring their natural environment in the wild.

A couple of deft snaps and a smart "Don't try it Miss Thang," will give them pause.

JustErin said:

Fauxie said:

Wouldn't gesturing wildly and extravagantly put them more at ease? That's what I read. Something about mirroring their natural environment in the wild.

No, you do that to make yourself look bigger than they are, like with a bear....a real bear, like in the woods kind of bear.

But I have a big grizzly beard. Is that a hazard where gays, and also bears, are concerned?

JustErin said:

Fauxie said:

That's good. Just try not to be uncomfortable or show your fear. They thrive on that and might not be able to stop themselves making a move. If you show it's no thing then soon you'll be accepted as just one of the guys, and then you can explore your feelings in your own time.

Gays are like dogs, they smell fear.

JustErin said:

Fauxie said:

Wouldn't gesturing wildly and extravagantly put them more at ease? That's what I read. Something about mirroring their natural environment in the wild.

No, you do that to make yourself look bigger than they are, like with a bear....a real bear, like in the woods kind of bear.

Well, it really all depends on whether you're dealing with a straight-acting gay or a queen.

ZombieKitten said:

JustErin said:

And what if they do want to fuck you? Are you afraid that you'll be convinced to do it?

I simply don't get this reasoning.

the fear of being gay

I have spoken to straight men who are uncomfortable around gay men for the fear that they may be hit on. And it's not the hitting on itself (that part is kind of flattering), it's the fear that they themselves may be inadvertently be sending out a gay vibe, the fear that they themselves may be mistaken for being gay. The fear that other straight men, their friends even might ridicule them or even victimise them. It's a legitimate fear, gay men have been bashed and killed just for being gay

That's a really interesting take. I could buy this for some men.

I've got a former classmate -- straight, naturally very stylish and perhaps one of the most physically beautiful men I've ever met -- who initially sent my gaydar off the charts, but gave me entirely hetero once I got to know him. After spending some time with him, I actually started to feel for the guy. He was the type of attractive that when he walked into a room, everyone -- gay, straight, male, female, students and professor -- would be driven to distraction by him. And both in school and out in the city, gay men in particular would come out of the woodwork to rub shoulders with him. This had to be somewhat challenging, because he was 1) a newlywed; and 2) a candidate for the Anglican priesthood under the heavy scrutiny of superior bishops, seminary professors and peers. I picked up not an inkling of contempt for gay people per se from him -- he actually was quite progressive around LGBT concerns -- but I could see how all the come-ons were cramping him at times.

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SUPRMAN said:

Spinlight said:

Why? No it's not. It's wonderful. In fact, I can't wait for him to take that attitude out into the real world where his 18 year old self can find out how life really works. And then he's going to be REAL fucked up because of his association between "out of the closet" and "ostensibly gay."

Then this motherfucker is going to make some friends in his adult life and one, if not more, are going to BE openly gay (but not effeminate). He's going to say the wrong thing. Then he's going to get his ass beat.

I remember going to a therapist in the military as part of drug counseling.

He almost his professional composure when I told him I was gay. There was just the two of us in the room. I thought he was going to run out.

Two weeks later, he told me that his best friend had just come out to him. It shook him up because he felt he should have known.

I became his therapist, helping him deal with it. He did not want to remain the man's friend, even though the man had never made a pass at it.

That's what's going to fuck up Virgo. He's going to have some cool friends and not know how to act when/if they come out.

There was one guy in the military who was SO pissed at me, because I never tried to get with him despite the fact that he would make himself available. I loved him, but as a friend and wouldn't want to have ruined it by trying to make him my everything.

Most of the time, a key component of vaccines is a small dose of the virus itself.

I'm kidding. Look, I don't wish harm on anyone, but let's be real here. At some point, you must make a choice to define yourself and while it might not sound like I am giving him a lot of room given his age, he has had plenty of room to express bigotry.

I don't whitewash things for people anymore. I used to, when I was younger, because I felt that everyone deserved a chance. Then I realized that life IS that chance and chances are greeting you at the door every morning and night to further educate yourself.

I ain't one of those people who walks around hating everything I don't know. If something is really worth forming an opinion on, I'm going to really get in there and understand why I don't like it. Call me rational or a critical thinker if you MUST (no, go ahead!), but I think even a chimpanzee learns the difference between right and wrong after only a few instances of having the choice.

I'm cool with homosexuals, both male and female.

Only thing I find heartbreaking is when I find a nice guy, who's sensitive and caring and seems to be wonderful..only to find out he likes guys, not girls.

That has happened to me twice.

Gunsnhalen said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pugTfKu1lUY&feature=feedu

Kevin Craft is saying what i have been saying for a long time and i think he make's great points, There's so many other thing's going on in this big world of ours. There is a war going on, screwed up government situations, people loosing jobs, low money, etc

And people are bitching and so worried about who is gay and who is not, now this could be different in different towns i live in hollywood so this is always on the talks of the town . But people care way to much here & in my home town in Texas who is gay, in Texas it's more crazy religious people...... and in hollywood even by gay people themselves like that disgusting piece of shit Perez Hilton who tries to do nothing but out every guy in Hollywood almost.

As someone who is gay i ask who the fuck cares? why do people care so much about celebrities, or every day people they know if there gay or not?

There is just way more important thing's in the world to be concerned about, so people like these crazy religious nuts who are preaching about gay's & preaching about the end of the world to Get the fuck out of here

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THAT is probably why the media tries to pay more attention to things that don't matter. Things that do matter are just so depressing that some people even refuse to watch TV. The media always has to be attacking a certain group of people or making fun of someone...So that the viewers can feel better about themselves...and they will watch TV for that reason..

I do think it's an interesting and important topic though. Only some states allow homosexual marriage right? I'm sure the majority of American people agree it's important to legalize homosexual marriage in all states...And when people like celebrities or politicians come out of the closet and openly talk about these issues, homosexual community earns that much power...

God said you shouldn't smoke in front of your kids

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ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

I'm cool with homosexuals, both male and female.

Only thing I find heartbreaking is when I find a nice guy, who's sensitive and caring and seems to be wonderful..only to find out he likes guys, not girls.

That has happened to me twice.

When I was younger, I fell in love with 2 (COUNT EM, 2!!!) of my best friends. One when I was like 17 and one when I was about 13. To know that they were straight, yet felt comfortable around me like I was just one of the boys was probably one of the most painful things I can think of in my early years. Then again, I had masturbation material on tap. It was KIIIIIINDA awesome cuz they were never shy with their bodies.

All men are pigs.

Spinlight said:

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

I'm cool with homosexuals, both male and female.

Only thing I find heartbreaking is when I find a nice guy, who's sensitive and caring and seems to be wonderful..only to find out he likes guys, not girls.

That has happened to me twice.

When I was younger, I fell in love with 2 (COUNT EM, 2!!!) of my best friends. One when I was like 17 and one when I was about 13. To know that they were straight, yet felt comfortable around me like I was just one of the boys was probably one of the most painful things I can think of in my early years. Then again, I had masturbation material on tap. It was KIIIIIINDA awesome cuz they were never shy with their bodies.

All men are pigs.

I'm a woman and I don't identify as gay, but your story still tugs a raw nerve for me. I had a similar problem. I always had a guy harem - ie. I was one of the guys, always hung out with a group of boys in high school, not really ever girls. I had crushes on girls and boys alike, but found boys easier to "be" with. BUT like you, I fell in love bad with a couple of my guy friends - I just thought I was hideous, since no boy ever liked me, and painfully, agonisingly accepted the fact I would never be able to have them.

I'm still angry about it now

It's the heterosexual male's complete and utter fear of being gay or bi or even remotely being mistaken for it, that has caused male porn stars in straight porn to look like Mr. Belvedere with a donkey dick and Glen Close Fatal Attraction hair.

lawd.

SagsWay2low said:

It's the heterosexual male's complete and utter fear of being gay or bi or even remotely being mistaken for it, that has caused male porn stars in straight porn to look like Mr. Belvedere with a donkey dick and Glen Close Fatal Attraction hair.

lawd.

But... but... I'm 1014% straight, as you know, and I'm not scared of being gay or bi or even remotely being mistaken for it. Anytime I've been mistaken for being gay I've actually welcomed it as it affords wonderful opportunities to pull ppls' legs (legs, not cocks )

the only difference between gays is that they get turned on by a big juicy dick

and the dick comforts them..

i dont understand why its so hard for people to understand that

plus i dont understand why straight men get intimated by gay men hitting on them..

you should be honored

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TonyVanDam said:

Virgo92 said:

JustErin said: I already gave you my reason. Let me be more specific. Everytime I'm around a gay guy, I think he's checking me out, and that's makes me uncomfortable. If I'm at school or out in public, and a gay guy tell me he wanna fuck my brains out, I'm going to walk off. Now, I think gay people are cool people because their free. I like gay people like Elton John , because he doesn't come off gay. That's my opinion. [Edited 4/21/11 19:17pm]

Like hell he doesn't!

THIS^ is one of THE gayest music videos of all time. How you can NOT see Elton leaving a lot of hints AND clues to the viewers is beyond me.

Excuse you Virgo, but I refuse to believe that you're so naive to the facts.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!! this is SERIOUSLY one of the FLAMIEST videos ever!!! the gold dust on the leather daddy? come ON! the crotch shots? this is gayer than that jagger/bowie 'dancin' in the streets' video...

what do i always say? ain't nothin' wrong with being happy.

johnart said:

JustErin said:

Oh come on, much like that other thread he was called a baiter in...I just don't agree that he's just trying to bait people.

I'm not saying he's not a homophobe, now.

Another theory: Maybe he's worried he's being checked out because he's a when it comes to chicks and it throws him off to be in the position he might put a woman.

good point.

Lammastide said:

Sidestepping the bait, one anthropological theory around this sort of thing suggests that as societies feel increasingly embattled, their collective body (and particularly their sexual) ethic becomes proportionately defensive. Those whose inclinations pan out in sexual desire or conduct beyond that group ethic, then, are in some ways held as personifications of whatever overall threat(s) the society is fearing. And LGBT men and women are considerably easier to see, touch and chastise than abstractions like a shoddy economy, fiscal mismanagement, impending ecological crises, overpopulation, etc.

i concur.

SUPRMAN said:

Virgo92 said:

Fauxie said: I'm going to try to get over being around gay people. I'm going to try to fix that problem.

If a man does make a pass at you, just decline and let it go. Accept it as a compliment.

It doesn't mean they 'see' you as gay, only someone they are interested in enough to take a chance to approach. Feel flattered.

yup. and if one is truly comfortable in their sexuality, then they'd be adult enough to walk away, and still be friendly.

StonedImmaculate said:

Don't agree with homosexuality but I do agree that I am in no position to dictate to or judge anyone on their personal preferences.

These so-called Christians who want to tell people how they're going to burn in hell for not following the bible are fools. Some of them may have true Christian hearts, but they seem to be unable to comprehend that part of the bible where it describes our Lord as a forgiving and understanding God.

Funny thing is I've had several gay associates at work over the years...maybe 8 or 9 that I've been in close, direct contact with. While we never hung out outside of work, I did consider them friends. We'd go out to lunch etc, but it was always in a big group of employees-gay straight whatever. Always had fun and I never brought up my personal beliefs about their lifestyle, but as soon as they found out my three kids go to Catholic school, they were questioning me and looking at me funny. Led to some very insightful and funny conversations. To each his own.

And why do some guys prefer a dick in the ass to bouncing tits? I dunno...my wife thoroughly enjoys my dick in her ass too, so again...to each his own.

I don't accept that for one minute. If they were "true Christians" they wouldn't be so damned judgement and rigid. They would accept everyone as one of God's own. Don't get me started on "Christians!"