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Is the earth the only planet in the universe with life, yes or no? Take sides and discuss. The question at hand is this:
Are we alone in the universe? Do you believe that all the life in the universe is on the earth, or do you believe that we are merely on inhabited planet out of many? Edited to add some possible implications of both stances. Earth is NOT the only planet in the universe with life: The principle of terrestrial mediocrity states that there is nothing special about our place in the universe. The universe contains elements that are necessary for the creation and proliferation of life and they will combine to create life. There was no special creation of life on earth by a god and our place is an inevitable consequence of the interaction of matter and energy in the universe. The existence of life on other planets invalidates the bible and causes the foundation of deistic religions to crumble. Mankind cannot continue to believe that they are god's favored creation. Earth IS the only planet in the universe with life: Humans and the animals of the earth have a special place in the universe. The stories of the bible and religions are not invalidated by the existence of life elsewhere and proponents of religion can continue to promote a theory of special creation. Mankind can continue to believe that they are god's favored creation. ... [This message was edited Wed Feb 5 7:53:04 PST 2003 by IceNine] SUPERJOINT RITUAL - http://www.superjointritual.com
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no. | |
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We aren't the only ones... but I have to go to work now, so I can't discuss.
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XxAxX said: no.
Agree THIS SPACE IS DEDICATED TO THE GREATEST BISCUIT OF THEM ALL, "C"BISCUIT | |
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HHEEELLL no.
"...because no-one gets there alone." - "...I like the floor. It's the only thing that seems real." | |
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Ice, did U create this topic just 2 see how many "no"s U could get in a single thread?
"...because no-one gets there alone." - "...I like the floor. It's the only thing that seems real." | |
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obviously earth is not the only planet hosting life forms in the universe. odds are waaayyy against that | |
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Of course not. Life is the natural result of order, which is a natural property of the universe under certain conditions. Entropy is not universal. Fear is the mind-killer. | |
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SexLovely said: [color=blue:53eed18dec:6fba24b7ee]Ice, did U create this topic just 2 see how many "no"s U could get in a single thread?
I actually have a different idea in mind. I want to see how many people will answer "yes" and "no" to the topic, as there are far-reaching implications to either answer. SUPERJOINT RITUAL - http://www.superjointritual.com
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SexLovely said: [color=blue:53eed18dec:ed9bc48888]Ice, did U create this topic just 2 see how many "no"s U could get in a single thread?
yeah you big freak WHY do you wait until the MORNING - when we must all be at work - to start the interesting threads?? | |
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IceNine said: SexLovely said: [color=blue:53eed18dec:6fba24b7ee:1ddb8a7c3f]Ice, did U create this topic just 2 see how many "no"s U could get in a single thread?
I actually have a different idea in mind. I want to see how many people will answer "yes" and "no" to the topic, as there are far-reaching implications to either answer. I see...what are they then? "...because no-one gets there alone." - "...I like the floor. It's the only thing that seems real." | |
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SexLovely said: IceNine said: SexLovely said: [color=blue:53eed18dec:6fba24b7ee:1ddb8a7c3f:0aadf88d1a]Ice, did U create this topic just 2 see how many "no"s U could get in a single thread?
I actually have a different idea in mind. I want to see how many people will answer "yes" and "no" to the topic, as there are far-reaching implications to either answer. [color=blue:1ddb8a7c3f:0aadf88d1a]I see...what are they then? I will wait a while before exposing the implications of each answer, so as not to stifle conversation. SUPERJOINT RITUAL - http://www.superjointritual.com
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XxAxX said: SexLovely said: [color=blue:53eed18dec:ed9bc4888:ffeb9bdb28]Ice, did U create this topic just 2 see how many "no"s U could get in a single thread?
yeah you big freak WHY do you wait until the MORNING - when we must all be at work - to start the interesting threads?? I'm sorry. Hopefully this topic will still be around for everyone later and maybe we can get a good discussion going. SUPERJOINT RITUAL - http://www.superjointritual.com
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fcuz there are other forms of life out there [and I'm not
just saying this because of my fox mulder obsession]. In an unending space, how could there not be multiple forms of life scattered all over it? It seems almost impossible for matter to have been created and to interact with eachother and transform etc and not be tainted with microscopic life or at least the same building blocks for life that seem to have ended up on our "earth". Scientists keep saying that if the conditions are good for supporting life than life *could* manifest itself in such a place. And from what we've seen here on earth and where life has wormed it's way to the most unlikely and even impossible places, you could conclude that unless the entire universe is sterile, "life" is more probable to be "all over the place" than it is to be uniquely centrated on our little globe. and true love lives on lollipops and crisps | |
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of course life exists elsewhere in the Universe, it's preposterous to think otherwise. | |
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Some possible implications of both stances.
Earth is NOT the only planet in the universe with life: The principle of terrestrial mediocrity states that there is nothing special about our place in the universe. The universe contains elements that are necessary for the creation and proliferation of life and they will combine to create life. There was no special creation of life on earth by a god and our place is an inevitable consequence of the interaction of matter and energy in the universe. The existence of life on other planets invalidates the bible and causes the foundation of deistic religions to crumble. Mankind cannot continue to believe that they are god's favored creation. Earth IS the only planet in the universe with life: Humans and the animals of the earth have a special place in the universe. The stories of the bible and religions are not invalidated by the existence of life elsewhere and proponents of religion can continue to promote a theory of special creation. Mankind can continue to believe that they are god's favored creation. SUPERJOINT RITUAL - http://www.superjointritual.com
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Ummm, yeah! I'm a friggin' Jedi Master for cripes sake! Y'know, from a galaxy far, far away! Do not hurry yourself in your spirit to become offended, for the taking of offense is what rests in the bosom of the stupid ones. (Ecclesiastes 7:9) | |
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I added some simple implications of both sides to the topic now... SUPERJOINT RITUAL - http://www.superjointritual.com
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IceNine said:[quote]Some possible implications of both stances.
Earth is NOT the only planet in the universe with life: The principle of terrestrial mediocrity states that there is nothing special about our place in the universe. The universe contains elements that are necessary for the creation and proliferation of life and they will combine to create life. There was no special creation of life on earth by a god and our place is an inevitable consequence of the interaction of matter and energy in the universe. The existence of life on other planets invalidates the bible and causes the foundation of deistic religions to crumble. Mankind cannot continue to believe that they are god's favored creation. quote] I never believed that anyway. I can't wait for an alien invasion situation to arise. | |
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The only thing that will come from possible contact with
any kind of alien life, wether microbes or fully developed somethings, will be another El Dorado; whole shitloads of people dying of something like an e.t. variety of the flue. No need for a religious debate once they've set foot on our soil then. and true love lives on lollipops and crisps | |
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We can't be the only planet with other life forms. How can you explain people like Michael Jackson? He has to be an alien! | |
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IceNine said: The question at hand is this:
Are we alone in the universe? Do you believe that all the life in the universe is on the earth, or do you believe that we are merely on inhabited planet out of many? Edited to add some possible implications of both stances. Earth is NOT the only planet in the universe with life: The principle of terrestrial mediocrity states that there is nothing special about our place in the universe. The universe contains elements that are necessary for the creation and proliferation of life and they will combine to create life. There was no special creation of life on earth by a god and our place is an inevitable consequence of the interaction of matter and energy in the universe. The existence of life on other planets invalidates the bible and causes the foundation of deistic religions to crumble. Mankind cannot continue to believe that they are god's favored creation. Earth IS the only planet in the universe with life: Humans and the animals of the earth have a special place in the universe. The stories of the bible and religions are not invalidated by the existence of life elsewhere and proponents of religion can continue to promote a theory of special creation. Mankind can continue to believe that they are god's favored creation. ... [This message was edited Wed Feb 5 7:53:04 PST 2003 by IceNine] Well, I wouldn't subscribe to either view. From a Biblical point of view, beings like Angels, Demons and whatnot would prove that their are other beings that exist beyond our own sphere of experience. It is true that many Christain based faiths have tried to make claims that our earth was the center of God's creation, but I think they missed the point. In fact, the Bible would only reference our planet and its creation, because it would be the only one of import to our develpoment. If you can believe in an all poweful creator, then who's to say that he would limit his creations to OUR planet? Tha Anthropic principle states that our universe seems to have been designed, and that the purpose of that design is the support of life. Would this design not be universal? In my opinion, I believe that finding life on other planets actually refutes the notion that life on this planet occurred by some freak accident. If life evolved accidentally here, then it would be nigh on impossible for it to evolve elsewhere. Okay, that's my two cents! Now I gotta get to work! Do not hurry yourself in your spirit to become offended, for the taking of offense is what rests in the bosom of the stupid ones. (Ecclesiastes 7:9) | |
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JediMaster said: Tha Anthropic principle states that our universe seems to have been designed, and that the purpose of that design is the support of life. Would this design not be universal? In my opinion, I believe that finding life on other planets actually refutes the notion that life on this planet occurred by some freak accident. If life evolved accidentally here, then it would be nigh on impossible for it to evolve elsewhere. Okay, that's my two cents! Now I gotta get to work! That has been inferred from strong anthropic principle, but the idea of the anthropic principle was not to prove design, but to state that everything is necessary for life to evolve. The anthropic principle is built upon the foundation of the principle of terrestrial mediocrity and has been used to imply that there was no special creation by some and has been altered to imply that there was a design by others. SUPERJOINT RITUAL - http://www.superjointritual.com
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IceNine said: JediMaster said: Tha Anthropic principle states that our universe seems to have been designed, and that the purpose of that design is the support of life. Would this design not be universal? In my opinion, I believe that finding life on other planets actually refutes the notion that life on this planet occurred by some freak accident. If life evolved accidentally here, then it would be nigh on impossible for it to evolve elsewhere. Okay, that's my two cents! Now I gotta get to work! That has been inferred from strong anthropic principle, but the idea of the anthropic principle was not to prove design, but to state that everything is necessary for life to evolve. The anthropic principle is built upon the foundation of the principle of terrestrial mediocrity and has been used to imply that there was no special creation by some and has been altered to imply that there was a design by others. but are they malicious cum-suckers? ---------------------------------
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IceNine said: The existence of life on other planets invalidates the Bible and causes the foundation of deistic religions to crumble. 1) I don't see how you can support that claim. God doesn't have to clear the totality of His creation with His creatures. For all we know, not only is there life on other planets -- but there exists life beyond even that familiar construct of planetary life or life within a universe. What if universes are all we're familiar with? What if there exists life beyond our tiny little, human-referenced definitions of it? What if our idea of life and existence is but a fraction of what God has created? 2) And that latter point is what trips me out about the "search for life" on other planets. "Finding" life is based on our own extremely limited and vastly ignorant concepts of what connotes life. | |
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No:
and why would we be so presumptuos(sp) as to even think such a thing. i have always thought this way and i also feel that after a time, when the galexi is full of the trash that we have left floating about, they will be in contact with a bill for cleanup, after all, all they need to do is look at the way we've trashed this mothafucka and they'll be like "Hell no, you ain't gettin ready to think this is OK" I AM King BAD a.k.a. BAD,
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ThreadBare said: 2) And that latter point is what trips me out about the "search for life" on other planets. "Finding" life is based on our own extremely limited and vastly ignorant concepts of what connotes life. I didn't define "life" in the topic and scientists have very different ideas of life than the average citizen. SUPERJOINT RITUAL - http://www.superjointritual.com
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We are merely a molecule in another world's mass.
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ThreadBare said: IceNine said: The existence of life on other planets invalidates the Bible and causes the foundation of deistic religions to crumble. 1) I don't see how you can support that claim. God doesn't have to clear the totality of His creation with His creatures. For all we know, not only is there life on other planets -- but there exists life beyond even that familiar construct of planetary life or life within a universe. What if universes are all we're familiar with? What if there exists life beyond our tiny little, human-referenced definitions of it? What if our idea of life and existence is but a fraction of what God has created? 2) And that latter point is what trips me out about the "search for life" on other planets. "Finding" life is based on our own extremely limited and vastly ignorant concepts of what connotes life. as far as looking at it from a religious aspect, if god distoys the earth, he'll be distroying everything in this SOLAR SYSTEM, and i'm sure there is life (no matter how small) in this system too I AM King BAD a.k.a. BAD,
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clearly no! | |
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