just1lousydime said:

Timmy84 said:

It's funny you mention this... because there's some women who would either have sex with an underage boy or in one case marry the boy (remember the controversy in Georgia?), but it's always the same excuse: "oh it's motherly, he'll learn from this, where was I when this was going on?" You notice all these female teachers giving it up to young boys. I don't know if it's different from ages but I deem it victimizing even if the older teenage male don't feel as if they were victimized (look up Vili Fuaalau). That said, I don't know why it almost seemed natural to think just because nothing happened don't mean that the original poster might've really felt OK for that woman to have her pussy near him by his bed. I mean I think it can be agreed mostly that it was inappropriate if not full-blown molestation. It's a sketchy issue.

In both instances actually. But I think you're talking about Jane, I was talking about Michelle

Well yeah I know, just saying lol

luv4u said:

I would check with police and see if Jane can be charged. Jane is a pedo.

At least an exhibitionist.

Timmy84 said:

NDRU said:

I am completely hypocritical, I know, but a woman doing this to a boy somehow does not seem nearly as bad as a man doing it to a little girl

Most of us wished stuff like this would happen!

Speak for yourself, dude.

But I do think it's just as bad. Molestation is molestation no matter if it's a dick exposed to you or a pussy.

Exposure = molestation? Same sex? Mixed sex? Or any exposure?

Socially we send very mixed messages . . . .

SUPRMAN said:

Timmy84 said:

Speak for yourself, dude.

But I do think it's just as bad. Molestation is molestation no matter if it's a dick exposed to you or a pussy.

Exposure = molestation? Same sex? Mixed sex? Or any exposure?

Socially we send very mixed messages . . . .

OK, maybe it's not really molestation. I don't know, it's just weird.

So...have I seen "Jane" since? Well our little situation ended around the time that I really started getting involved with girls. I started having sex when I was 12 (and my wife blames this on Jane of course) but she and I still hung out till I was around 14. The last instance I really remember is when she was upside down in the recliner...after that I started trying to keep my distance. I was already screwing and that night I was soooo close to making a move on her. I was so afraid of her rejecting me cause I seriously thought she was being "herself" and I was being a dirty horndog...I envisioned her losing her mind, telling my mom, etc. Now my mom hated pretty much every girl I dated and Jane had the same attitude as I started to keep my distance, but I just looked at it as she was like my mom...jealous that they werent tops in my book anymore so to speak. I saw her sparingly thru high school but there was no more nudity. She was at my graduation in 92...since then I have only seen her two or three times. She was there when my first son was born and it was awkward, but only on my part as I was terrified that my wife was going to say something to my mom about it. The few times I have seen her that has been the only thing on my mind...begging my wife to keep her mouth shut. And thats my wife's main argument: "If you think she didnt do anything wrong then why won't you tell your mom? Because you know your mom will beat the shit out of that bitch!" Jane will be 61 next month, my mom will be 59 in July, and yes...I know my mom would kill her if she found out, then beat my ass for not telling her way back when.

So yeah, I accepted a long time ago that what she did was way wrong but it took me a while to realize that she totally fucked up my mind. I was far beyond horny well before I was supposed to be and it had a profound effect on my relationships and attitudes towards women. Of course its nothing that makes me sit in a dark corner all depressed and shit, I just regret a lot of things I did and my wife has convinced me that a lot of what I did (not all) never would've happened had I not gone thru what I did. But I must reiterate...she never kissed me (well, not like that) or touched me inappropriately. She did "wash" me, but I was maybe 8 when that stopped. I dont remember if she lingered in certain spots, mainly because I was too busy staring at her.

As for "Michelle"...after that one situation I didnt see her for years, but when I did it was on! We only had sex once when I was 15 and she was 19 or 20 and she was amazing (then again I was only 15 but looking back, yeah...she was amazing!)! She instigated it...well, did she? We were watching movies at home, about 6 or 7 of us...me and my brothers, cousins, her and her brother. She and I were on the couch and she put her head in my lap...not doing anything, just comfortable. Of course I was quickly hard as a rock and she picked her head up and smiled at me. About a half hour later she whispered "Come here", took me in my cousin Donna's room and commenced to rocking my world. Now that part my wife looks at as wrong because Michelle was over 18...I looked at it as education. She showed me quite a few things...what girls like and dont, what works and doesnt...we fooled around ALL NIGHT that night. She gave me my first BJ and was pissed as shit that I wasnt a virgin.

For some reason I see nothing wrong with the sex with Michelle, but the grinding when I was 8 I look at as wrong.

I dunno...I sometimes feel like my sexual brain is straight fucked up.

And thanks for the opinions folks. Strangely, you all make sense regardless of your stance.

There's totally a potential screenplay here, dude.

torahwarrior said:

There's totally a potential screenplay here, dude.

Yeah, but not these two situations.

My high school "career"...

torahwarrior said:

There's totally a potential screenplay here, dude.

Running With Scissors minus the therapy guru?

Jesus dude, even your wife is like "dude your mama would've whoop that bitch's ass!"

vainandy said:

PDogz said:

People may not know "what" they are, but I think we know what turns us on and what doesn't at that age. What takes time, I believe, is knowing what "label" to put on those feelings, and learning what is deemed "acceptable" in our society and what is not.

Exactly. When I was in the fifth grade and all the other boys my age were talking about how they liked seeing the pussies in the magazines, I very innocently said that I liked seeing the dicks. I said it just as innocently as someone saying "I like cake" and someone else saying "I like ice cream" just thinking someone else might agree with me. You should have heard the names I was called by those boys instantly after I made that statement and I didn't even know what those names meant. I knew then to keep my mouth shut about what I liked.

Perfect example of the point I was making. I'm sorry for how that may have affected you, but that shit sounds funny as HELL!

vainandy said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah and even if I was straight (I think people don't know what they are when they're that young anyways, it takes years I guess), like that would be a thing to do at fifteen and then she goes to jail over it? Fuck outta here.

When I was five years old, I would get rock hard if I saw a grown man's hairy dick in a magazine. If a sexy one had come to me with his dick in his hand, I may have not known what to do with it, but I would have reached out and grabbed that motherfucker and I would have been rock hard when I did it.

Aside from oil paintings in the museum of art, or "dirty pictures" drawn on the bathroom walls at the YMCA, I don't think I ever actually officially saw a nude picture of a man until I was around 17. That's when I became a huge fan of HUSTLER and CHIC magazines, because they always featured one layout that included a male/female couple.

I don't know WHAT my reaction would have been if I had seen something like that at 5 years old, but my guess is that it would have been similar to yours.

PDogz said:

vainandy said:

When I was five years old, I would get rock hard if I saw a grown man's hairy dick in a magazine. If a sexy one had come to me with his dick in his hand, I may have not known what to do with it, but I would have reached out and grabbed that motherfucker and I would have been rock hard when I did it.

Aside from oil paintings in the museum of art, or "dirty pictures" drawn on the bathroom walls at the YMCA, I don't think I ever actually officially saw a nude picture of a man until I was around 17. That's when I became a huge fan of HUSTLER and CHIC magazines, because they always featured one layout that included a male/female couple.

I don't know WHAT my reaction would have been if I had seen something like that at 5 years old, but my guess is that it would have been similar to yours.

I think I was around that age too or older (not sure lol). But nevertheless I was intrigued (and so was my dick). But I think my dick is turned on to nudity be it a man or woman.

Timmy84 said:

PDogz said:

Aside from oil paintings in the museum of art, or "dirty pictures" drawn on the bathroom walls at the YMCA, I don't think I ever actually officially saw a nude picture of a man until I was around 17. That's when I became a huge fan of HUSTLER and CHIC magazines, because they always featured one layout that included a male/female couple.

I don't know WHAT my reaction would have been if I had seen something like that at 5 years old, but my guess is that it would have been similar to yours.

I think I was around that age too or older (not sure lol). But nevertheless I was intrigued (and so was my dick). But I think my dick is turned on to nudity be it a man or woman.

Wait a minute...you like girls Timmy?

SherryJackson said:

Timmy84 said:

I think I was around that age too or older (not sure lol). But nevertheless I was intrigued (and so was my dick). But I think my dick is turned on to nudity be it a man or woman.

Wait a minute...you like girls Timmy?

Nudity is a beautiful thing no matter if you're a man, a woman or both sexes.

And that being said, it has mostly been men. Androgynous men turn me on too.

But back on topic.

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again...did no one else see where stoned said his mom walks around naked all the time???

BlackAdder7 said:

again...did no one else see where stoned said his mom walks around naked all the time???

Good point, overlooked. Also, where were the men in these ladies lives? Although I suspect the answer to that question could take up a thread by itself.

Timmy84 said:

SherryJackson said:

Wait a minute...you like girls Timmy?

Nudity is a beautiful thing no matter if you're a man, a woman or both sexes.

And that being said, it has mostly been men. Androgynous men turn me on too.

But back on topic.

[Edited 2/19/11 12:15pm]

Agreed.

BlackAdder7 said:

again...did no one else see where stoned said his mom walks around naked all the time???

That of itself is not abnormal. My mom's been walking around the house naked when she's not going anywhere and no company's around.

Timmy84 said:

BlackAdder7 said:

again...did no one else see where stoned said his mom walks around naked all the time???

That of itself is not abnormal. My mom's been walking around the house naked when she's not going anywhere and no company's around.

I rarely wear clothes at home, lol (TMI?). Although, I'm not sitting around upside down in chairs brushing my pubes with kids watching my ass, lol.

PDogz said:

vainandy said:

When I was five years old, I would get rock hard if I saw a grown man's hairy dick in a magazine. If a sexy one had come to me with his dick in his hand, I may have not known what to do with it, but I would have reached out and grabbed that motherfucker and I would have been rock hard when I did it.

Aside from oil paintings in the museum of art, or "dirty pictures" drawn on the bathroom walls at the YMCA, I don't think I ever actually officially saw a nude picture of a man until I was around 17. That's when I became a huge fan of HUSTLER and CHIC magazines, because they always featured one layout that included a male/female couple.

I don't know WHAT my reaction would have been if I had seen something like that at 5 years old, but my guess is that it would have been similar to yours.

My uncle had some Playboy and Penthouse magazines in the nightstand by his bed. I used to sneak in his room when he wasn't home and look at them. Rarely was there a dick in them but every now and then, one would pop up, not in a photo spread but in a section where they might review a porn film (flicks were in theaters back then) and they might have a picture from a scene in the movie, always before the man's dick was hard of course. There was another picture I remember in a Playboy magazine where they had a picture of the winner of Mr. and Miss Nude America from a pageant somewhere. I got rock hard when I saw that man and I was probably around 5 or 6.

Then, a few years later when I was in the sixth grade, there was a ditch by my house that we used to play in. We crossed the ditch and went into the woods on the other side and there were some Hustler magazines that some man must have hidden out there so his wife couldn't find them. Hustler always had a male/female photo spread and they turned me on like HELL. Those dicks and balls were always extemely hairy too.

A few years later, we would walk to the convenience store to get a Coke and some candy. We would take the shortcut through the alley and we went digging around in the garbage dumpster and find lots of magazines such as Hustler, Chic, Club International, OUI, etc. that the store had thrown out so they could sell the latest current issue. I would take those magazines home and hide them. Those dicks in there were hairy as hell and the spreads with two men and a woman almost made me cum instantly. Both those dicks touching each other right before she puts them both in her mouth. Damn, I'm getting hot just thinking back about those old magazines.

Yes, I'm very familiar with Hustler and Chic. Even after I got grown and came out of the closet to myself, for a long time I bought Hustler and Chic instead of those gay magazines because the men in those were hairless little twink bitches. Little did I know that the men in the straight magazines would eventually start shaving and looking like sissy bitches too.

BlackAdder7 said:

again...did no one else see where stoned said his mom walks around naked all the time???

I don't think his mom was trying to be all alluring like "jane" was.

No woman puts on her make-up BEFORE putting on her clothes because she risks smearing her face in some way... heck, most women do their faces last, sometimes even in the car.

Brushing your pubic hair also???? See, she was flirting with lil' guy....

his mom on the other hand may let a fart fly and scratch body parts, get a lil' boy all grossed out and beg mom to throw something on. I also bet she didn't do it daily either, maybe in the morning while getting ready for work or something.... naked ironing clothes or just in transit fro the bath to the bedroom.

Naked mom around the kid may have been a not so sexy thing....

naked friend of family brushing her pubes, tossing her hair around, walking around rubbing her tits smiling n stuff... whole different story!

Timmy84 said:

SherryJackson said:

Wait a minute...you like girls Timmy?

Nudity is a beautiful thing no matter if you're a man, a woman or both sexes.

And that being said, it has mostly been men. Androgynous men turn me on too.

But back on topic.

[Edited 2/19/11 12:15pm]

I definately consider a beautiful woman's body like art and I have images of nude women on nightstands and things as art because they are beautiful. But a woman's body to me, as beautiful as it may be, is no different than a beautiful painting, sculpture, a unique piece of artistic looking furniture, etc. It's beautiful to look at but that's all. It doesn't turn me on whatsoever. I mean a pussy to me ain't nothing but a slit, crack, or a hole. I honestly don't see how anyone could be turned on by one. But then again, straight people can't understand our attraction to the same sex, well, it works both ways because I sure as hell can't understand their attraction to the opposite sex. A dick is an actual thing, a shaft, a head, balls, pubic hair. I can't explain it, it's an actual thing rather than just a crack or a hole.

vainandy said:

PDogz said:

Aside from oil paintings in the museum of art, or "dirty pictures" drawn on the bathroom walls at the YMCA, I don't think I ever actually officially saw a nude picture of a man until I was around 17. That's when I became a huge fan of HUSTLER and CHIC magazines, because they always featured one layout that included a male/female couple.

I don't know WHAT my reaction would have been if I had seen something like that at 5 years old, but my guess is that it would have been similar to yours.

My uncle had some Playboy and Penthouse magazines in the nightstand by his bed. I used to sneak in his room when he wasn't home and look at them. Rarely was there a dick in them but every now and then, one would pop up, not in a photo spread but in a section where they might review a porn film (flicks were in theaters back then) and they might have a picture from a scene in the movie, always before the man's dick was hard of course. There was another picture I remember in a Playboy magazine where they had a picture of the winner of Mr. and Miss Nude America from a pageant somewhere. I got rock hard when I saw that man and I was probably around 5 or 6.

Then, a few years later when I was in the sixth grade, there was a ditch by my house that we used to play in. We crossed the ditch and went into the woods on the other side and there were some Hustler magazines that some man must have hidden out there so his wife couldn't find them. Hustler always had a male/female photo spread and they turned me on like HELL. Those dicks and balls were always extemely hairy too.

A few years later, we would walk to the convenience store to get a Coke and some candy. We would take the shortcut through the alley and we went digging around in the garbage dumpster and find lots of magazines such as Hustler, Chic, Club International, OUI, etc. that the store had thrown out so they could sell the latest current issue. I would take those magazines home and hide them. Those dicks in there were hairy as hell and the spreads with two men and a woman almost made me cum instantly. Both those dicks touching each other right before she puts them both in her mouth. Damn, I'm getting hot just thinking back about those old magazines.

Yes, I'm very familiar with Hustler and Chic. Even after I got grown and came out of the closet to myself, for a long time I bought Hustler and Chic instead of those gay magazines because the men in those were hairless little twink bitches. Little did I know that the men in the straight magazines would eventually start shaving and looking like sissy bitches too.

You are absolutely hilarious! And a great story teller.

Imo its not child molestation. but If I were you at 13/14 I would've ACTUALLY tried to fuck her. But tha'ts just me.

Timmy84 said:

PDogz said:

Aside from oil paintings in the museum of art, or "dirty pictures" drawn on the bathroom walls at the YMCA, I don't think I ever actually officially saw a nude picture of a man until I was around 17. That's when I became a huge fan of HUSTLER and CHIC magazines, because they always featured one layout that included a male/female couple.

I don't know WHAT my reaction would have been if I had seen something like that at 5 years old, but my guess is that it would have been similar to yours.

I think I was around that age too or older (not sure lol). But nevertheless I was intrigued (and so was my dick). But I think my dick is turned on to nudity be it a man or woman.

My father had a Playboy collection that I remember was in the basement until he came and got them or my mother threw them out. Spending a summer with my father I found his stash. I already knew I preferred guys so they didn't do anything for me. I remember going to the corner store and checking out Playgirl because Jim Brown was in it. I was in the third grade I think. He turned me on. It scared me that I couldn't get his naked body out of my head. Of course, I couldn't talk about it either.

ThrillUorKillU said:

Imo its not child molestation. but If I were you at 13/14 I would've ACTUALLY tried to fuck her. But tha'ts just me.

Believe you me...I wanted to but I seriously thought she was just comfortable with me.

Part of me thought she wanted me once I hit junior high, but the chance that I was looking to deeply into it held me back. She and my mom were sooo close...had I tried and she wasnt down with it she would not have kept her mouth shut. My mom would have murdered me.

Looking back...yeah, I coulda fucked her. Glad I didnt...that would have really fucked me up.

PDogz said:

BlackAdder7 said:

again...did no one else see where stoned said his mom walks around naked all the time???

Good point, overlooked. Also, where were the men in these ladies lives? Although I suspect the answer to that question could take up a thread by itself.

First, my mom...when I say she was naked in front of me, it wasnt like she was just sitting there watching TV in the nude like Jane did, walking around the house all day with nothing on. Think of Ice Cube's dad in Friday...making Cube talk to him while he took a shit. It was stuff like that. "Baby bring me a towel!' as she got out of the bath/shower, "Go get my stockings out of the garage for me, Baby"-and when I brought them she still hadnt put her bra on...stuff like that, but all the time.

As for the men in Jane's life...there were none, which really didnt make sense to me cause she was smokin hot and still looks pretty good at 60. She never got married and only once did I ever hear of her dating...well, I know she fucked one of my dad's navy buddies a few times but other than that, nothing.

Michelle did have a boyfriend when we did it. She told me my dick was bigger than his and I think he was like 21. She sent my ego up quite a few notches and had me walking around swingin my shit like Dexter St. Jacques.

SUPRMAN said:

Timmy84 said:

I think I was around that age too or older (not sure lol). But nevertheless I was intrigued (and so was my dick). But I think my dick is turned on to nudity be it a man or woman.

My father had a Playboy collection that I remember was in the basement until he came and got them or my mother threw them out. Spending a summer with my father I found his stash. I already knew I preferred guys so they didn't do anything for me. I remember going to the corner store and checking out Playgirl because Jim Brown was in it. I was in the third grade I think. He turned me on. It scared me that I couldn't get his naked body out of my head. Of course, I couldn't talk about it either.

I feel ya. That would've been a weird conversation if it had been brought up lol

vainandy said:

Timmy84 said:

Nudity is a beautiful thing no matter if you're a man, a woman or both sexes.

And that being said, it has mostly been men. Androgynous men turn me on too.

But back on topic.

[Edited 2/19/11 12:15pm]

I definately consider a beautiful woman's body like art and I have images of nude women on nightstands and things as art because they are beautiful. But a woman's body to me, as beautiful as it may be, is no different than a beautiful painting, sculpture, a unique piece of artistic looking furniture, etc. It's beautiful to look at but that's all. It doesn't turn me on whatsoever. I mean a pussy to me ain't nothing but a slit, crack, or a hole. I honestly don't see how anyone could be turned on by one. But then again, straight people can't understand our attraction to the same sex, well, it works both ways because I sure as hell can't understand their attraction to the opposite sex. A dick is an actual thing, a shaft, a head, balls, pubic hair. I can't explain it, it's an actual thing rather than just a crack or a hole.

Lemme ask you a quick question... the other week I think you said you hated getting fucked (or fucking someone) or something but you like sucking dick. I guess you're turned off by the ass in general? lol

PDogz said:

Timmy84 said:

That of itself is not abnormal. My mom's been walking around the house naked when she's not going anywhere and no company's around.

I rarely wear clothes at home, lol (TMI?). Although, I'm not sitting around upside down in chairs brushing my pubes with kids watching my ass, lol.

Yeah THAT'S abnormal.