Was it the 70s? Things were crazy back then. I had a babysitter who walked around naked and so did her boyfriend.

StonedImmaculate said:

alphastreet said:

It's a very gray area. It's easy to write it off as that, but if she was like a mom genuinely on her part, then I don't think it is, but if she figured out how you felt about her and kept doing that, it is very weird and pedophilia.

Like I said, we never talked about it but I know she knew. She would see me staring at her constantly, even as I got older. Made no attempt to cover up. She would smile and flip her hair, or just look away knowing that I saw her see me staring at her tits, whatever.

I guess you cant call it molestation...what do you call it though?

Inappropriate.

paintedlady said:

Washing you, sleeping naked in the bed with you, letting you stare at her naked body....

you were not HER child and you didn't see her as a "mom" if you lusted after her. Children do not LUST after their mothers no matter how many times they see their mother's bodies.

At the very least it was innapropiate behavior to be around someone else's child and she was at fault for being the adult in the situation.

If you were older she would have made a move on you IMHO, it seems like you got her off by the attention you paid her. She knew it. She thrived off of the sexual energy, so yes your innocence was taken from you in a sense.

Flip that.... what if you were a girl and she was a man....

HotGritz said:

Ottensen said:

Sleeping in bed naked with him though?

Not cool.

And showering with him, and putting her bush in his face and doing that crap up until he was in his pre-teens! It's sexual abuse and psychological manipulation. Bitch knew what she was doing. His cousin definitely molested him. This is why child abuse is so prevalent and pervasive in many societies...people don't take these kinds of actions seriously, especially when the victim is male. Had he been female and the mom's friend male...then oh yeah it would be child abuse. There is this mindset that "oh they will do it anyway so why not break them in young." Absolutely disgusting.

His mom's friend and his cousin have probably abused others in the same way. Horrible cycle that just continues and continues.

keep it real. She didn't literally do that now did she?

just a tad presumptious methinks. you're just a barrel o' laughs aren't you? did you forget to include the man's mother?

people sit and brush their pubic hair?

ufoclub said:

people sit and brush their pubic hair?

That's what had me

Rightly said:

HotGritz said:

And showering with him, and putting her bush in his face and doing that crap up until he was in his pre-teens! It's sexual abuse and psychological manipulation. Bitch knew what she was doing. His cousin definitely molested him. This is why child abuse is so prevalent and pervasive in many societies...people don't take these kinds of actions seriously, especially when the victim is male. Had he been female and the mom's friend male...then oh yeah it would be child abuse. There is this mindset that "oh they will do it anyway so why not break them in young." Absolutely disgusting.

His mom's friend and his cousin have probably abused others in the same way. Horrible cycle that just continues and continues.

keep it real. She didn't literally do that now did she?

just a tad presumptious methinks. you're just a barrel o' laughs aren't you? did you forget to include the man's mother?

Oh my you are so right. Her bush was 4 feet from his face. That's so much more appropriate and downright acceptable.

I will leave the man's mother to you.

[Edited 2/18/11 12:42pm]

Timmy84 said:

ufoclub said:

people sit and brush their pubic hair?

That's what had me

Perhaps it's a disco bush kind of thang.

I am completely hypocritical, I know, but a woman doing this to a boy somehow does not seem nearly as bad as a man doing it to a little girl

Most of us wished stuff like this would happen!

NDRU said:

I am completely hypocritical, I know, but a woman doing this to a boy somehow does not seem nearly as bad as a man doing it to a little girl

Most of us wished stuff like this would happen!

Speak for yourself, dude.

But I do think it's just as bad. Molestation is molestation no matter if it's a dick exposed to you or a pussy.

Timmy84 said:

Double standards are a bitch.

That they are Timmy.

My mother deals with a lot of people like this. A lot of them (and the number shocks me) are pedophiles and women.

If StonedImmaculate was a girl and this Jane character was a man, I'm pretty sure we'd say right away that it's child molestation (or something very close to it). Taking showers and washing each other, sleeping in the same bed naked...exposing (yes, exposing yourself) to a minor..the fact this never happened with the other siblings...all these are classic signs of "grooming". Pedophiles don't notice other children when they're doing this (not even their own, if they have any)...they focus on their "favoured" one. And chances are...there might be other children she's done this too (some of which might have actually gone all the way). Thing about lady child molestors is..when it happens to young boys, not all of them think of it as child molestation. Rather, it might be considered as a kinda "rite of passage". I've seen many cases of lady teachers who sleep around with their male students (all of which are under consenting age), and/or send them lewd photos of themselves and they are never treated as harshly as their male counterparts. I've heard some guys chuckling about these cases, saying those boys "enjoyed it".

When girls are molested as children, they feel right away something is wrong. Young boys, when molested by women, also feel there is something wrong, but because it's with a lady, they identify the woman with their mother (even tho they may have sexual feelings for them) and don't think of it much. If the molestation occurs with a man, that's when things begin to feel very wrong.

I think it's mostly out of traditional opinion we place on men and women. Men and their virtue are not as prized as they are with women. You might shake your head at this, but women, even in this day and age, are expected to be virtuous (virginal) and if their virginity is either willingly or forcibly taken away, they're considered "damaged or dirty". Because of this social conception (which I think is shit), women who have been molested feel dirty and violated, and MANY cases never go to trial because they feel they will shame their families). In young girl children, symptoms of molestation show in their activities (drawings, writings, etc) and they start acting out sexually when they're older. In young boys, it's the same thing. Early sexual experience will affect how they turn out. And they act out sexually at an early age as well. The cases with lady molesters and their male victims appear to be less not necessarily because the boys are afraid or ashamedto come forward, rather they are confused of what has happened to them.

In conclusion...I say what she did was grooming and most probably expected you to make the first move. It's still a form of child molestation and indecent exposure. But statute of limitations is over on that. But you might wanna check if she's done this to anyone else...or perhaps...still doing it.

Timmy84 said:

NDRU said:

I am completely hypocritical, I know, but a woman doing this to a boy somehow does not seem nearly as bad as a man doing it to a little girl

Most of us wished stuff like this would happen!

Speak for yourself, dude.

But I do think it's just as bad. Molestation is molestation no matter if it's a dick exposed to you or a pussy.

I wouldn't call it molestation, from what I read.

But don't get me wrong, I am not saying what she did was excusable in any way. I just know it would not hasve been threatening to me, more just fascinating. If a guy did something like that to me it would be more threatening & disturbing.

But, I admit it's a double standard, and you're free to think I am wrong. We both agree the woman's wrong to do it.

Timmy84 said:

NDRU said:

I am completely hypocritical, I know, but a woman doing this to a boy somehow does not seem nearly as bad as a man doing it to a little girl

Most of us wished stuff like this would happen!

Speak for yourself, dude.

You're gay so of course you don't wish this happened to you.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Was it the 70s? Things were crazy back then. I had a babysitter who walked around naked and so did her boyfriend.

what???????

sextonseven said:

Timmy84 said:

Speak for yourself, dude.

You're gay so of course you don't wish this happened to you.

Correction: I'm queer.

SherryJackson said:

Timmy84 said:

Double standards are a bitch.

That they are Timmy.

My mother deals with a lot of people like this. A lot of them (and the number shocks me) are pedophiles and women.

If StonedImmaculate was a girl and this Jane character was a man, I'm pretty sure we'd say right away that it's child molestation (or something very close to it). Taking showers and washing each other, sleeping in the same bed naked...exposing (yes, exposing yourself) to a minor..the fact this never happened with the other siblings...all these are classic signs of "grooming". Pedophiles don't notice other children when they're doing this (not even their own, if they have any)...they focus on their "favoured" one. And chances are...there might be other children she's done this too (some of which might have actually gone all the way). Thing about lady child molestors is..when it happens to young boys, not all of them think of it as child molestation. Rather, it might be considered as a kinda "rite of passage". I've seen many cases of lady teachers who sleep around with their male students (all of which are under consenting age), and/or send them lewd photos of themselves and they are never treated as harshly as their male counterparts. I've heard some guys chuckling about these cases, saying those boys "enjoyed it".

When girls are molested as children, they feel right away something is wrong. Young boys, when molested by women, also feel there is something wrong, but because it's with a lady, they identify the woman with their mother (even tho they may have sexual feelings for them) and don't think of it much. If the molestation occurs with a man, that's when things begin to feel very wrong.

I think it's mostly out of traditional opinion we place on men and women. Men and their virtue are not as prized as they are with women. You might shake your head at this, but women, even in this day and age, are expected to be virtuous (virginal) and if their virginity is either willingly or forcibly taken away, they're considered "damaged or dirty". Because of this social conception (which I think is shit), women who have been molested feel dirty and violated, and MANY cases never go to trial because they feel they will shame their families). In young girl children, symptoms of molestation show in their activities (drawings, writings, etc) and they start acting out sexually when they're older. In young boys, it's the same thing. Early sexual experience will affect how they turn out. And they act out sexually at an early age as well. The cases with lady molesters and their male victims appear to be less not necessarily because the boys are afraid or ashamedto come forward, rather they are confused of what has happened to them.

In conclusion...I say what she did was grooming and most probably expected you to make the first move. It's still a form of child molestation and indecent exposure. But statute of limitations is over on that. But you might wanna check if she's done this to anyone else...or perhaps...still doing it.

Excellent post Sherry! Though I must say, sadly, that it will be many more damaged generations before most people are this keen and educated when it comes to the sexual exploitation/molestation/manipulation of children.

SherryJackson said:

Timmy84 said:

Double standards are a bitch.

That they are Timmy.

My mother deals with a lot of people like this. A lot of them (and the number shocks me) are pedophiles and women.

If StonedImmaculate was a girl and this Jane character was a man, I'm pretty sure we'd say right away that it's child molestation (or something very close to it). Taking showers and washing each other, sleeping in the same bed naked...exposing (yes, exposing yourself) to a minor..the fact this never happened with the other siblings...all these are classic signs of "grooming". Pedophiles don't notice other children when they're doing this (not even their own, if they have any)...they focus on their "favoured" one. And chances are...there might be other children she's done this too (some of which might have actually gone all the way). Thing about lady child molestors is..when it happens to young boys, not all of them think of it as child molestation. Rather, it might be considered as a kinda "rite of passage". I've seen many cases of lady teachers who sleep around with their male students (all of which are under consenting age), and/or send them lewd photos of themselves and they are never treated as harshly as their male counterparts. I've heard some guys chuckling about these cases, saying those boys "enjoyed it".

When girls are molested as children, they feel right away something is wrong. Young boys, when molested by women, also feel there is something wrong, but because it's with a lady, they identify the woman with their mother (even tho they may have sexual feelings for them) and don't think of it much. If the molestation occurs with a man, that's when things begin to feel very wrong.

I think it's mostly out of traditional opinion we place on men and women. Men and their virtue are not as prized as they are with women. You might shake your head at this, but women, even in this day and age, are expected to be virtuous (virginal) and if their virginity is either willingly or forcibly taken away, they're considered "damaged or dirty". Because of this social conception (which I think is shit), women who have been molested feel dirty and violated, and MANY cases never go to trial because they feel they will shame their families). In young girl children, symptoms of molestation show in their activities (drawings, writings, etc) and they start acting out sexually when they're older. In young boys, it's the same thing. Early sexual experience will affect how they turn out. And they act out sexually at an early age as well. The cases with lady molesters and their male victims appear to be less not necessarily because the boys are afraid or ashamedto come forward, rather they are confused of what has happened to them.

In conclusion...I say what she did was grooming and most probably expected you to make the first move. It's still a form of child molestation and indecent exposure. But statute of limitations is over on that. But you might wanna check if she's done this to anyone else...or perhaps...still doing it.

Great post.

Its bout 2 pop off in this bitch, son.

paintedlady said:

vainandy said:

I don't think you were molested because she never fooled with you but she definately was making the situation for you to make a move on her, which you never did. If you did make a move and she let you fool with her, then it would have been molestation because an adult that has sex with a minor, even if the minor wanted it, is still considered rape. She definately wanted you to make a move though.

Honest question, because I don't understand....

would you feel the same way if roles were reversed and it was a grown sexy man that slept with and washed a little girl who was the child of his best friend? Walked around dick swinging.. liking the way the little girl looked at him....

Would it be different to you or the same?

question posed to all the men/women who agree with vainandy.... this is a very provacative thread BTW

[Edited 2/18/11 6:28am]

Oh, don't get me wrong. That bitch was dead wrong with what she did. She wanted to molest him but she didn't actually do it. She just exposed herself and left it open for him to make a move if he wanted to because she knew that if she made the move and he didn't want it, he might tell someone. Boys are different from girls. Boys are horny at a young age, I know I was. Everyone knows that there are lots of young boys that would love to sleep with a grown woman and wouldn't tell anyone about it just as long as they could hit it at least once. You never hear of young girls talking about how they'd love to sleep with a grown man. All I'm saying is, the bitch knew just how far she could go trying to seduce this young boy so that if he ever told anyone, in the eyes of the law, she could get away with what she did because she didn't actually sleep with him. She wasn't giving a damn about how it might seem to particular individuals if he ever told someone. She knew how far she could go without going to prison.

vainandy said:

paintedlady said:

Honest question, because I don't understand....

would you feel the same way if roles were reversed and it was a grown sexy man that slept with and washed a little girl who was the child of his best friend? Walked around dick swinging.. liking the way the little girl looked at him....

Would it be different to you or the same?

question posed to all the men/women who agree with vainandy.... this is a very provacative thread BTW

[Edited 2/18/11 6:28am]

Oh, don't get me wrong. That bitch was dead wrong with what she did. She wanted to molest him but she didn't actually do it. She just exposed herself and left it open for him to make a move if he wanted to because she knew that if she made the move and he didn't want it, he might tell someone. Boys are different from girls. Boys are horny at a young age, I know I was. Everyone knows that there are lots of young boys that would love to sleep with a grown woman and wouldn't tell anyone about it just as long as they could hit it at least once. You never hear of young girls talking about how they'd love to sleep with a grown man. All I'm saying is, the bitch knew just how far she could go trying to seduce this young boy so that if he ever told anyone, in the eyes of the law, she could get away with what she did because she didn't actually sleep with him. She wasn't giving a damn about how it might seem to particular individuals if he ever told someone. She knew how far she could go without going to prison.

That's a big misconception. All boys are not the same. Some may have jumped on ole gal and others would feel strange, uncomfortable and not safe. This is the problem with how we approach molestation and how we view girls and boys and ultimately how we raise them. We don't teach boys that molestation and someone exposing themselves to them or touching them is wrong nor do we teach them that they deserve respect but we run such lessons down the throats of girls and we don't even do that properly. I've grown up around boys and have many male relatives and the young ones are almost always grossed out by the thought of one of their mothers' friends without any clothes on. Not all older women are MILFs and we should remember that a pre-teen boy is different from a teen boy. Maybe a 15 year old might jump on that chicks bones just for the thrill of it and to brag to his friends but I highly doubt an 11 year old boy would be so enthused. Just because she didn't sleep with him doesn't mean he wasn't taken advantage of and abused. You can molest somebody without touching them. The mere disturbance and persistent sexual harassment and manipulation is enough to constitute molestation. She might not have been arrested back then because the laws were lax but today she most certainly would be in jail.

HotGritz said:

vainandy said:

Oh, don't get me wrong. That bitch was dead wrong with what she did. She wanted to molest him but she didn't actually do it. She just exposed herself and left it open for him to make a move if he wanted to because she knew that if she made the move and he didn't want it, he might tell someone. Boys are different from girls. Boys are horny at a young age, I know I was. Everyone knows that there are lots of young boys that would love to sleep with a grown woman and wouldn't tell anyone about it just as long as they could hit it at least once. You never hear of young girls talking about how they'd love to sleep with a grown man. All I'm saying is, the bitch knew just how far she could go trying to seduce this young boy so that if he ever told anyone, in the eyes of the law, she could get away with what she did because she didn't actually sleep with him. She wasn't giving a damn about how it might seem to particular individuals if he ever told someone. She knew how far she could go without going to prison.

That's a big misconception. All boys are not the same. Some may have jumped on ole gal and others would feel strange, uncomfortable and not safe. This is the problem with how we approach molestation and how we view girls and boys and ultimately how we raise them. We don't teach boys that molestation and someone exposing themselves to them or touching them is wrong nor do we teach them that they deserve respect but we run such lessons down the throats of girls and we don't even do that properly. I've grown up around boys and have many male relatives and the young ones are almost always grossed out by the thought of one of their mothers' friends without any clothes on. Not all older women are MILFs and we should remember that a pre-teen boy is different from a teen boy. Maybe a 15 year old might jump on that chicks bones just for the thrill of it and to brag to his friends but I highly doubt an 11 year old boy would be so enthused. Just because she didn't sleep with him doesn't mean he wasn't taken advantage of and abused. You can molest somebody without touching them. The mere disturbance and persistent sexual harassment and manipulation is enough to constitute molestation. She might not have been arrested back then because the laws were lax but today she most certainly would be in jail.

Yeah and even if I was straight (I think people don't know what they are when they're that young anyways, it takes years I guess), like that would be a thing to do at fifteen and then she goes to jail over it? Fuck outta here.

Timmy84 said:

I think people don't know what they are when they're that young anyways, it takes years I guess...

People may not know "what" they are, but I think we know what turns us on and what doesn't at that age. What takes time, I believe, is knowing what "label" to put on those feelings, and learning what is deemed "acceptable" in our society and what is not.

HotGritz said:

vainandy said:

Oh, don't get me wrong. That bitch was dead wrong with what she did. She wanted to molest him but she didn't actually do it. She just exposed herself and left it open for him to make a move if he wanted to because she knew that if she made the move and he didn't want it, he might tell someone. Boys are different from girls. Boys are horny at a young age, I know I was. Everyone knows that there are lots of young boys that would love to sleep with a grown woman and wouldn't tell anyone about it just as long as they could hit it at least once. You never hear of young girls talking about how they'd love to sleep with a grown man. All I'm saying is, the bitch knew just how far she could go trying to seduce this young boy so that if he ever told anyone, in the eyes of the law, she could get away with what she did because she didn't actually sleep with him. She wasn't giving a damn about how it might seem to particular individuals if he ever told someone. She knew how far she could go without going to prison.

That's a big misconception. All boys are not the same. Some may have jumped on ole gal and others would feel strange, uncomfortable and not safe.

That's why she didn't just come right out and molest him. She was playing it safe just in case he was one of those that was uncomfortable or didn't want it. She put it in his face to as to whether he could either get it if he wanted it or ignore it if he didn't want it. She also left to where if he ever told anyone, she could just say she happened to be nude and he either walked in on her or that she didn't realize that he was looking at her. She knew what she was doing to keep from going to jail.

Timmy84 said:

Yeah and even if I was straight (I think people don't know what they are when they're that young anyways, it takes years I guess), like that would be a thing to do at fifteen and then she goes to jail over it? Fuck outta here.

When I was five years old, I would get rock hard if I saw a grown man's hairy dick in a magazine. If a sexy one had come to me with his dick in his hand, I may have not known what to do with it, but I would have reached out and grabbed that motherfucker and I would have been rock hard when I did it.

vainandy said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah and even if I was straight (I think people don't know what they are when they're that young anyways, it takes years I guess), like that would be a thing to do at fifteen and then she goes to jail over it? Fuck outta here.

When I was five years old, I would get rock hard if I saw a grown man's hairy dick in a magazine. If a sexy one had come to me with his dick in his hand, I may have not known what to do with it, but I would have reached out and grabbed that motherfucker and I would have been rock hard when I did it.

PDogz said:

Timmy84 said:

I think people don't know what they are when they're that young anyways, it takes years I guess...

People may not know "what" they are, but I think we know what turns us on and what doesn't at that age. What takes time, I believe, is knowing what "label" to put on those feelings, and learning what is deemed "acceptable" in our society and what is not.

Exactly. When I was in the fifth grade and all the other boys my age were talking about how they liked seeing the pussies in the magazines, I very innocently said that I liked seeing the dicks. I said it just as innocently as someone saying "I like cake" and someone else saying "I like ice cream" just thinking someone else might agree with me. You should have heard the names I was called by those boys instantly after I made that statement and I didn't even know what those names meant. I knew then to keep my mouth shut about what I liked.

^ aw vainandy, I knew in grade 5, I liked tits when I accidently flipped the channel and saw a few seconds of porn

Certainly inappropriate, NOT molestation (by the textbook definition at least).

As for the other circumstance, that isn't child molestation (since both of you were children)...I don't know if there's an exact term for it. If you two actually had sex, than it'd be illegal because it's illegal to have sex under age 17, at least where I live.

But it's difficult to label it from years ago. You'd have to base it off the laws at the time, if you wanted to press charges against Jane.

just1lousydime said:

Certainly inappropriate, NOT molestation (by the textbook definition at least).

As for the other circumstance, that isn't child molestation (since both of you were children)...I don't know if there's an exact term for it. If you two actually had sex, than it'd be illegal because it's illegal to have sex under age 17, at least where I live.

But it's difficult to label it from years ago. You'd have to base it off the laws at the time, if you wanted to press charges against Jane.

It's funny you mention this... because there's some women who would either have sex with an underage boy or in one case marry the boy (remember the controversy in Georgia?), but it's always the same excuse: "oh it's motherly, he'll learn from this, where was I when this was going on?" You notice all these female teachers giving it up to young boys. I don't know if it's different from ages but I deem it victimizing even if the older teenage male don't feel as if they were victimized (look up Vili Fuaalau). That said, I don't know why it almost seemed natural to think just because nothing happened don't mean that the original poster might've really felt OK for that woman to have her pussy near him by his bed. I mean I think it can be agreed mostly that it was inappropriate if not full-blown molestation. It's a sketchy issue.

Timmy84 said:

just1lousydime said:

Certainly inappropriate, NOT molestation (by the textbook definition at least).

As for the other circumstance, that isn't child molestation (since both of you were children)...I don't know if there's an exact term for it. If you two actually had sex, than it'd be illegal because it's illegal to have sex under age 17, at least where I live.

But it's difficult to label it from years ago. You'd have to base it off the laws at the time, if you wanted to press charges against Jane.

It's funny you mention this... because there's some women who would either have sex with an underage boy or in one case marry the boy (remember the controversy in Georgia?), but it's always the same excuse: "oh it's motherly, he'll learn from this, where was I when this was going on?" You notice all these female teachers giving it up to young boys. I don't know if it's different from ages but I deem it victimizing even if the older teenage male don't feel as if they were victimized (look up Vili Fuaalau). That said, I don't know why it almost seemed natural to think just because nothing happened don't mean that the original poster might've really felt OK for that woman to have her pussy near him by his bed. I mean I think it can be agreed mostly that it was inappropriate if not full-blown molestation. It's a sketchy issue.

In both instances actually. But I think you're talking about Jane, I was talking about Michelle