Shorty said:

certainly a shame that this young man lost his life. Very sad and tragic indeed. BUT let's not forget that a drunk behind the wheel of a 3000+ lb vehicle is a deadly weapon, so to say the cop should have moved faster or something is really a stupid thing to say. (IMO)

It said somewhere that he hit another cop prior to being shot? if that's the case I can imagine that's probably why the other officer felt he had to shoot. But I don't know....I wish it would have turned out differently. I wish it was not a race issue. I'm assuming the cops were all white?

stupid me 4 suggesting an alternative to shooting the poor fella?!!

Cops hate everybody, don't forget that. There are a few decent police--I actually know some--but many of them are pure and simple, pigs.

I posted that Henry Rollings video, where he talks about how his white friend got shot by black hoodlums and the police came and made homosexual jokes about Rollins and his dead friend.

Police should have to undergo psyche tests every year and racial tests to see how they feel about the subject. Some cops just become cops to crack heads. Blame the popular culture.

2freaky4church1 said:

Cops hate everybody, don't forget that. There are a few decent police--I actually know some--but many of them are pure and simple, pigs.

I posted that Henry Rollings video, where he talks about how his white friend got shot by black hoodlums and the police came and made homosexual jokes about Rollins and his dead friend.

Police should have to undergo psyche tests every year and racial tests to see how they feel about the subject. Some cops just become cops to crack heads. Blame the popular culture.

this is true. however there are many good cops, they put up with a load of shit in the uk.. i could never do that job, they gotta be so tolerant & the kids know it & give the police hell.

society feels almost lawless, i wish they police were tougher but i have peace of mind as a parent that my kid won't be shot & at worse would get a clip round the ear

'justifiable homicide' is as american as apple pie.

i don't have to read this thread to know that there are gonna be some here on this thread that see this death

as collateral damage, just one of them thangs.

they'll say "think of all that cops (oops) police (oops)

officers of the law have to contend with on a daily basis."

after all bein a cop can get you killed.

but you'll dsee that in the darkest part of 'drug turf' a cop with honor can do his job and still be liked and respected.

that's because he does his job, not try to be a gangster

or johnny badass cop.

there are a few (FEW) good cops put there. MOST just got a badge to make up for the lack of a dick, backbone, whuteveh. or as a way to shed abuses from childhood.

i've known quite a few of all sorts.

there is a mentality in cops and copfolks (ALL RACES) that don't see the value of human life in 'have nots'

BUT KILL ONE COP and all hell breaks out.

no matter whut the quality of said cops personality

or lack there of.

i said that!!!

DoffieParker said:

Shorty said:

certainly a shame that this young man lost his life. Very sad and tragic indeed. BUT let's not forget that a drunk behind the wheel of a 3000+ lb vehicle is a deadly weapon, so to say the cop should have moved faster or something is really a stupid thing to say. (IMO)

It said somewhere that he hit another cop prior to being shot? if that's the case I can imagine that's probably why the other officer felt he had to shoot. But I don't know....I wish it would have turned out differently. I wish it was not a race issue. I'm assuming the cops were all white?

stupid me 4 suggesting an alternative to shooting the poor fella?!!

umm..no. I didn't call anyone stupid. I said it was a stupid thing to say the cop should have moved his slow ass outta the way. and I stand by that statement. Shooting the tires could have put all the people around at risk...but I suppose shooting the driver did that as well. I'm not claiming to have the answers.

Deadflow3r said:

I am white so I am going to put my 2 cents in as an outsider.

What this needs in order to stop is a million man march meets M.A.D.D. type of thing. There needs to be a focused group of people that gets together to fight police brutality against black citizens. PERIOD.

This group has to stick to topic and not discuss education, unemployment etc in the African American Community. To be effective they have to zero in on this and not get caught up in hunger, homelessness and royalties in the record industry.

I have lived in neighborhoods where people didn't need to know my name I was simply "THE" white lady and could go a few days without seeing another white person. What I learnt is that blacks do not like to call the police and that means that they will wait along longer to call the police on a scary neighbor then white folks will. That leads to the problem escalating until it is so crazy you just have to call them.

So why do they wait? To the black communities The men in blue are not much different them Jesse James and his band of outlaws who could shoot a man for snoring too loud. The don't think of the men in blue as rational at all. They think of them as "shoot first and come up with a better plan" later types. So basically they avoid getting help until it is almost too late. By the time they call, it is a HUGE problem that is scary and need immediate attention and of course most likely their are already guns involved before the officer Jesse James arrives. So now Officer Dirty Harry has an equal chance of being shot and it isn't so much fun anymore so he'll just finish that donut and coffee before responding to this call.

The whole thing is nasty and unless concerned citizens go after this topic, and it is lead by hopefully a female with normal hair and a decent speaking style like the late Rosa Parks, and the group stays on topic and doesn't try to get rid of every single problem plaguing the black community, IT WILL CONTINUE.

Given that I am white I can not be the one to lead. Some one has to step forward though.

[Edited 2/16/11 7:56am]

regarding the bit bolded above: won't this create a vicious cycle?

if black people mistrust all cops, and wait until situations escalate into an 'out of control crazy' scenario, and are armed at the scene with their own weapons

then likewise 'all cops' probably come in with guns drawn, willling to shoot due to the fact that they know the situation is likely to already be out of control with armed participants. it's what they are trained to do. that's what i'd do, if i were a cop in this sort of scenario.

i don't see a solution to a problem this cyclical. someone has to trust

[Edited 2/17/11 3:16am]

physco185 said:

we do not live in a country here where ppl get killed and hurt and no one shows up.... thank God.... we have killings and crime here too, although it is not as bad as America.

Our police officers are viewed differently, yet there is corruption 2, but all in all, most are genuine. the worst thing they do is get you for traffic violations....

even still the saddest thing is that a young man lost his life..... to me it would be my worst nightmare if one of my kids got hurt or killed……

i pray for his family as they will live with this tragedy forever

the police officers were found not guilty, by a jury who would have seen the evidence.... if it was all a facade... then this is when i hope hell truly exists

[Edited 2/16/11 3:11am]

I must say this, I grew up in an extreme situation. I grew up in a poverty stricken neighborhood, around the worst kids of situations. So what I experience is what folks consider living in the "hood" or "projects". This is not the case for many that live in decent neighborhoods and live normal lives, most Americans live in the model of excess and take it for granted.

People in the US live great lives and even in the poorest neighborhood you still have many that rise up and become successful adults full of promise. Life is what you make it, if you are willing to work hard enough.

I just wish the poor weren't treated so... well, poorly. I am gled things are getting better.

GetAwayFromMe said:

paintedlady said:

I hope so too. I am just tired of it always being the "black communities" fault in every situation.

Policemen are just human and they mess up and do wrong just like the rest of us.

And in kind, I'm tired of it always being the cops' fault in every situation.

There's no need, because not one time have I said that it is always the fault of the police.

Let me be clear, I do support the police in MY community, even though on occasion my son was mistreated by them.

I took upon myself to reach out to the police and take part of anti-crime community tasks forces to stop bullshit from going on in my community with the help of some great guys in the police force.

My community is a magnet for knuckleheads that think people of my background are dumb and do their shit (move drugs, illegal dumping, etc.) in my community because they are smart enough to not do that crap in the suburbs.

The real problem is ANY cop treating minorities like perps across the board. If that shit happens once, then there is tons of damage control that has to happen and people stop working with police and more shit happens that way.

as long as we let trigger-happy idiots to run rampant with badges, AmeriKKKa will be truly fucked up

paintedlady said:

physco185 said:

we do not live in a country here where ppl get killed and hurt and no one shows up.... thank God.... we have killings and crime here too, although it is not as bad as America.

Our police officers are viewed differently, yet there is corruption 2, but all in all, most are genuine. the worst thing they do is get you for traffic violations....

even still the saddest thing is that a young man lost his life..... to me it would be my worst nightmare if one of my kids got hurt or killed……

i pray for his family as they will live with this tragedy forever

the police officers were found not guilty, by a jury who would have seen the evidence.... if it was all a facade... then this is when i hope hell truly exists

[Edited 2/16/11 3:11am]

I must say this, I grew up in an extreme situation. I grew up in a poverty stricken neighborhood, around the worst kids of situations. So what I experience is what folks consider living in the "hood" or "projects". This is not the case for many that live in decent neighborhoods and live normal lives, most Americans live in the model of excess and take it for granted.

People in the US live great lives and even in the poorest neighborhood you still have many that rise up and become successful adults full of promise. Life is what you make it, if you are willing to work hard enough.

I just wish the poor weren't treated so... well, poorly. I am gled things are getting better.

better is such a relative term loosely used.

if things were getting better this thread would be moot.

we as a people (have nots) are getting better at using our voices to speak out against these types of things.

sometimes we don't get the time to speak, and in turn must hastily re-act to things as they are happening.

whutever the case, we live our lives to rise above our

cicumstances and make the best for our families and still

can find ourselves in situations not of our making. the courts and the court of public opinion will at most times say "it's a pitty they don't teach their young to obey"

instead of "it's a pitty that they let people like that have a gun and some authority"

Acrylic said:

That's terrible.

Police are SWINE.

Agreed. the true dreggs of our society.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Acrylic said:

That's terrible.

Police are SWINE.

Agreed. the true dreggs of our society.

So what are some possible solutions to the problem of the police officers? Forced recruitment like the army? No law enforcement? Or robocops!

Are there answers?

ufoclub said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Agreed. the true dreggs of our society.

So what are some possible solutions to the problem of the police officers? Forced recruitment like the army? No law enforcement? Or robocops!

Are there answers?

How about we start holding them accountable for the bullshit they pull? We truly could start there.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

ufoclub said:

So what are some possible solutions to the problem of the police officers? Forced recruitment like the army? No law enforcement? Or robocops!

Are there answers?

How about we start holding them accountable for the bullshit they pull? We truly could start there.

But accountability is after the fact, at that point the harm is already done. I was trying to to see what ideas there are in general for the concept of police (which is not far removed from the concept of soldier). Historically speaking, if you use police or soldiers then you have these kind of incidents, it's been happening for thousands of years. There must be a way to change the mindset or character of someone who takes the role of society appointed enforcer of rules.

ufoclub said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

How about we start holding them accountable for the bullshit they pull? We truly could start there.

But accountability is after the fact, at that point the harm is already done. I was trying to to see what ideas there are in general for the concept of police (which is not far removed from the concept of soldier). Historically speaking, if you use police or soldiers then you have these kind of incidents, it's been happening for thousands of years. There must be a way to change the mindset or character of someone who takes the role of society appointed enforcer of rules.

If more cops were held to account after the fact they might think twice before going on murder sprees.

FauxReal said:

paintedlady said:

You people???

hold the FUCK up....

there is a lonnnnngggg history of cops mistreating many people in black communities nation wide.

That said, things are better, but the sores still affect my community DAILY.

Call the cops??? You don't even want to know what I personally have been through and seen growing up. Talk about apathy?!! Shit that cops not showing up when you need them most is OLD news.

OK! I have watched more than one woman bleed to death on my street and lay dead over 24 periods because of cops not wanting to show up.

Wanna know about how many missing young black children are never found because of a lack of interest by the cops?!

Listen, crimes against black people BY the police have happened wayyy too much and are still happening to this very day.

Who does this hurt? EVERYBODY including the police themselves because when danger is close, the community does not aid in keeping an open line of communication to help officers that actually care about cleaning up their neighborhoods and keeping their communities safe.

And as a mother of young black men may I say this...

My kids have ONE time to fuck up and get killed, just ONE! Because my black kids will be treated instantly as perps. They only need to be a the wrong place at the wrong time and fall victim to being treated like straight up criminals before going to great lenghts to prove they are innocent. This is why black mommas are overly strict, so that their sons grow to be vigilant, because they don't have the luxury to have someone give them the benefit of doubt in any situation.

Its just the way things are, so what you are reading in this thread is YEARS and YEARS of frustrations of a community that has been systematically mistreated by its own police.

"you people" ????

I watched a woman get stabbed and limbs were chopped off as a fucking kid, she laid there for over 24 hours on a fucking sidewalk... we called the police, they wouldn't show... why? Because we lived in a fucking black neighborhood and white cops didn't even want to show up.

I've seen 12 cops gang up and beat up a visibly pregnant 17 year old black girl till she stopped moving for shoplifting a damn bag of fucking chips.

I've witnessed my 12 year old brother be beaten by 8 cops because he was in a stolen car with some buddies. They beat him til he was unrecognizable and brought to a station and refused to let my mom have access to him for 4 days... his eyes were swollen shut and he had 2 broken ribs from the assault the police gave him.

I had my son be searched without any cause just because he was walking down a street that was known for high crime, but he's an honor student just trying to a library to study. He had a gun drawn on him, he was only 14 fucking years old. Fuck you.

Lets not go their with the fucking Charles Stuart case were ALL black kids were rounded up and thrown in jail, finger printed and beaten for no fucking reason other than walking down a fucking street at the wrong time... over 100 underaged teens were arrested that day.

Average calls took ove 40 minutes for police response.... and two separate police stations were UNDER five miles away.

You people.... my fucking ass!!! It is that type of statement that makes people seem superior or different from the rest of us, that evil thought of entitlement and privileged that you deserve more consideration..... fuck you and all the other fucking assholes that keep up with the "You people" bullshit.

It is YOUR people that are being mistreated.... citizens just as good as me or you and someones child..... just like a child in your family was murdered over a trigger happy scared policeman that made a real bad call.

How much faith would you still have in police? Many in the black communities STILL work with police and do their best to stop crimes even help officers.... after all that bullsit I still do.

so fuck you thoroughly shaken down and rubbed together... how much faith would you have in the very same people who have shown you that they have no faith in you?

[Edited 2/16/11 0:38am]

I completely agree with the bolded statements (which isn't to say that I disagree with others).

That said, I didn't think BlackAdder was referring to Black people when saying "you people". I took it to mean people around this site and perhaps elsewhere on the internet that may be more (perhaps deservedly) cynical in regards to police and their behavior.

thank you Faux, that's exactly what I meant..I would have phrased it you bleeding hearts liberals, but I was feeling just so frustrated with the other posts, I shortened to "you people". No offense was intended by using the phrase you people.

BlackAdder7 said:

FauxReal said:

I completely agree with the bolded statements (which isn't to say that I disagree with others).

That said, I didn't think BlackAdder was referring to Black people when saying "you people". I took it to mean people around this site and perhaps elsewhere on the internet that may be more (perhaps deservedly) cynical in regards to police and their behavior.

thank you Faux, that's exactly what I meant..I would have phrased it you bleeding hearts liberals, but I was feeling just so frustrated with the other posts, I shortened to "you people". No offense was intended by using the phrase you people.

Deadflow3r said:

I am white so I am going to put my 2 cents in as

2elijah said:

an outsider.

What this needs in order to stop is a million man march meets M.A.D.D. type of thing. There needs to be a focused group of people that gets together to fight police brutality against black citizens. PERIOD.

Good idea, and there's many community groups that take to the streets fo their own communities and have done that for years, but that seldom gets any media attention. That's been done since the 60s, not much has changed. This is why there will always be mistrust between the Black community and police departments. No real form of community relations when you have a history of police officers never paying the price for murdering many unarmed, black males. It's one thing if these suspects actually committed a crime and was an immediate threat to police officers and the community at large, but in many of these cases, those young males were unarmed, so you can't expect a community who has experienced these type of shootings for years and barely seeing police officers pay for these crimes, to embrace trust in police departments.

One would be living in a glass house not to know this, and looking from "the outside" when some don't live within these communities, but yet angry because the cops get blamed for it, doesn't help either, because they're not looking at this with an open mind, but coming to terms with it, with their own prejudices.

There's two sides to a situation, and often times, in these "particular" situations, the cops are the ones in the wrong. Why shoot to kill first if there is no weapon drawn from the suspect? It's like our police officers need some serious re-training, and many should not be cops. Not everyone is qualified to be a police officer.

communitieYou're talking about communities who are also trying to stop the violence control the violence within their own, especially youth violence, with no "real" help from polititicians or law enforcement agencies, coming to the table to try and work with members of those s. Some of these politicians only come into these communities (lower-income/middle-class minority communities) and want these same people to vote them into office, but when the community cries out for help from those politicians, suddenly they're missing in action or too busy to take time to listen to their concerns. It's a catch-22 situation between many black communities and police departments. It doesn't matter how economically well or educated blacks are, many racially-prejudiced cops will shoot-to-kill first because they see one thing as a threat, and that is the person's color, from the stereotypical assumption they already had in their mind of that/those individual(s) when deciding to pull that trigger.

How many times have undercover black cops been mistaken as the "suspect" by white, black, hispanic, etc., cops when making that 3-second decision to shoot first, ask questions later, but rarely do any of them (whether that cop is white, black, hispanic) make that same decision to pull the trigger first when the suspect may be white. An ugly reality but true. A very difficult situation on a national basis, as far as finding effective ways to improve community relations between minority communities, and better job training among police officers.

That is why this needs a leader who is articulate and very very focused on just this one issue.

Sometimes you make greater strides when you don't try to tackle everything or even all related things at once.

Stick to guns being pulled on people that don't have guns and these people being shot and killed. I think of Rosa Parks, intelligent, articulate and not trying to relate everything to Jesus and Mohammed either.

No devil or hitler talk. Stick to rights, liberty, fairness, safety etc.

There are sooo many examples of this that it deserves the attention that MADD gave to drunk driving.

ALSO, THE PERSON LEADING THIS SHOULD BE A WOMAN. A MAN WILL SETTLE FOR A BEER AND A HANDSHAKE WITH THE PRESIDENT

I'm surprised this thread hasn't been deleted, locked or relocated. Guess there is some respect for the dead after all.

I do hope the community becomes enraged enough to not let this young man's death be in vain. People need to start fighting back. If you don't stand up for something you will fall for anything. Truth.

paintedlady said:

BlackAdder7 said:

you people sometimes just amaze me. I hope you need a cop sometime, and they don't show up because they're afraid of a lawsuit.

[Edited 2/15/11 17:57pm]

You people???

hold the FUCK up....

there is a lonnnnngggg history of cops mistreating many people in black communities nation wide.

That said, things are better, but the sores still affect my community DAILY.

Call the cops??? You don't even want to know what I personally have been through and seen growing up. Talk about apathy?!! Shit that cops not showing up when you need them most is OLD news.

OK! I have watched more than one woman bleed to death on my street and lay dead over 24 periods because of cops not wanting to show up.

Wanna know about how many missing young black children are never found because of a lack of interest by the cops?!

Listen, crimes against black people BY the police have happened wayyy too much and are still happening to this very day.

Who does this hurt? EVERYBODY including the police themselves because when danger is close, the community does not aid in keeping an open line of communication to help officers that actually care about cleaning up their neighborhoods and keeping their communities safe.

And as a mother of young black men may I say this...

My kids have ONE time to fuck up and get killed, just ONE! Because my black kids will be treated instantly as perps. They only need to be a the wrong place at the wrong time and fall victim to being treated like straight up criminals before going to great lenghts to prove they are innocent. This is why black mommas are overly strict, so that their sons grow to be vigilant, because they don't have the luxury to have someone give them the benefit of doubt in any situation.

Its just the way things are, so what you are reading in this thread is YEARS and YEARS of frustrations of a community that has been systematically mistreated by its own police.

"you people" ????

I watched a woman get stabbed and limbs were chopped off as a fucking kid, she laid there for over 24 hours on a fucking sidewalk... we called the police, they wouldn't show... why? Because we lived in a fucking black neighborhood and white cops didn't even want to show up.

I've seen 12 cops gang up and beat up a visibly pregnant 17 year old black girl till she stopped moving for shoplifting a damn bag of fucking chips.

I've witnessed my 12 year old brother be beaten by 8 cops because he was in a stolen car with some buddies. They beat him til he was unrecognizable and brought to a station and refused to let my mom have access to him for 4 days... his eyes were swollen shut and he had 2 broken ribs from the assault the police gave him.

I had my son be searched without any cause just because he was walking down a street that was known for high crime, but he's an honor student just trying to a library to study. He had a gun drawn on him, he was only 14 fucking years old. Fuck you.

Lets not go their with the fucking Charles Stuart case were ALL black kids were rounded up and thrown in jail, finger printed and beaten for no fucking reason other than walking down a fucking street at the wrong time... over 100 underaged teens were arrested that day.

Average calls took ove 40 minutes for police response.... and two separate police stations were UNDER five miles away.

You people.... my fucking ass!!! It is that type of statement that makes people seem superior or different from the rest of us, that evil thought of entitlement and privileged that you deserve more consideration..... fuck you and all the other fucking assholes that keep up with the "You people" bullshit.

It is YOUR people that are being mistreated.... citizens just as good as me or you and someones child..... just like a child in your family was murdered over a trigger happy scared policeman that made a real bad call.

How much faith would you still have in police? Many in the black communities STILL work with police and do their best to stop crimes even help officers.... after all that bullsit I still do.

so fuck you thoroughly shaken down and rubbed together... how much faith would you have in the very same people who have shown you that they have no faith in you?

[Edited 2/16/11 0:38am]

I agree with you 100% I am black and puerto rican and grew up around the same type of situations. It isnt just blacks but hispanics and anyone else they think fits the "profile". There is a big mistrust issue amongst the black and hispanic community when it comes to cops and theres a reason why. The general rule where Im from is that the cops are the LAST people you want to call. They never help, only worsen.

[Edited 2/23/11 15:22pm]