LIKE SERIOUSLY?? WTF????

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Medical Examiner's Office worker has the grim task of removing a dead newborn boy from the home of a teenage girl in Brooklyn Monday.

A 14-year-old girl who police sources said hid her pregnancy from her mom triggered an NYPD investigation after a dead newborn was found in her bedroom.

Police said the Coney Island teen and her mother went to a hospital around 4 a.m. after the girl complained of heavy bleeding. A doctor at Coney Island Hospital determined the teen had recently given birth. The doctor called police.

Cops quizzed the girl and her mom, learning they lived at the Park West apartments on W. 31st St. When police got to the home around 5:50 a.m., they found a dead baby boy in a plastic bag behind the teen's bed.

It wasn't immediately clear if the baby was carried to full term. The medical examiner's office scheduled an autopsy for Tuesday to determine how the baby died. Authorities will then decide whether the girl will face any charges.

Investigators didn't know who fathered the baby, but police sources said the teen appears to have hidden her pregnancy from her family.

"We're talking to her, but she is not being very cooperative," one of the police sources said.

Andrea Skeete, president of the building's tenant association, found it hard to believe parents wouldn't know their own daughter was pregnant.

"These parents need to be involved and know what their kids are doing," Skeete said. "You're a mother, a woman, you're supposed to know. If you're 14 years old, you're a baby yourself."

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I would hate to think that people would allow her to go to jail and have something like this follow her in records for the rest of her life. I hope she is allowed the sympathy she needs to get proper help and support.

This girl needs therapy and her parents need to be more attentive to say the least.

She is a minor, the parents are responsible and the father if he is over 16. Poor girl needs serious help.

Sad but I would not be for just letter her get away with it. If the child was born alive and she put it in a bag and it suffocated that is murder. She is 14 so should be up to the state laws and the DA to decided if she is to be tried as an adult. If the boyfriend knew of her plan he is an accomplice.

I will not buy any form of postpartum depression as she hid the pregnancy so she planed to do something like this from early on.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Sad but I would not be for just letter her get away with it. If the child was born alive and she put it in a bag and it suffocated that is murder. She is 14 so should be up to the state laws and the DA to decided if she is to be tried as an adult. If the boyfriend knew of her plan he is an accomplice.

I will not buy any form of postpartum depression as she hid the pregnancy so she planed to do something like this from early on.

I don't think a fourteen year old ever should be charged as an adult. A fourteen year old is still a kid. And a fourteen year old girl who may have killed her infant needs serious psychological help, not condemned to an institution that will not help her in any way. For all we know, she could have been abused.. who knows?

bluesbaby said:

I don't think a fourteen year old ever should be charged as an adult. A fourteen year old is still a kid.

I am not sure either, it seems close to the right age.

And a fourteen year old girl who may have killed her infant needs serious psychological help,

If she killed it I think she planned it as she did conspire to hide the pregnancy. Of course if it was born at 20 weeks then I change my mind. I need to know how old the baby was. And was it born alive and did it die at the hands of its mother or father.

not condemned to an institution that will not help her in any way.

fine, assuming the baby was born alive, at or near term, and died at the hands of its mother or father then put her (or both) in a mental hospital until they are better then to prison to serve out the term. I say 20 years.

For all we know, she could have been abused.. who knows?

All of that is something the defense can try to prove to a jury. And I would be willing to consider any such evidence. Which is why a qualified my post as assuming she hid it, it was born at or near full term, and was born alive, and died by her acts then all that points to premeditated murder.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

bluesbaby said:

I don't think a fourteen year old ever should be charged as an adult. A fourteen year old is still a kid.

I am not sure either, it seems close to the right age.

And a fourteen year old girl who may have killed her infant needs serious psychological help,

If she killed it I think she planned it as she did conspire to hide the pregnancy. Of course if it was born at 20 weeks then I change my mind. I need to know how old the baby was. And was it born alive and did it die at the hands of its mother or father.

not condemned to an institution that will not help her in any way.

fine, assuming the baby was born alive, at or near term, and died at the hands of its mother or father then put her (or both) in a mental hospital until they are better then to prison to serve out the term. I say 20 years.

For all we know, she could have been abused.. who knows?

All of that is something the defense can try to prove to a jury. And I would be willing to consider any such evidence. Which is why a qualified my post as assuming she hid it, it was born at or near full term, and was born alive, and died by her acts then all that points to premeditated murder.

yes, clearly there is too much we don't know. I am not in favor of ever putting someone under 19 in a prison system...just too screwed up.

bluesbaby said:

yes, clearly there is too much we don't know. I am not in favor of ever putting someone under 19 in a prison system...just too screwed up.

yeah well the do not, they put them in juvenile and then "happy Birthday" you go to grown up jail.

Even sometimes a person convicted as a minor can do a year to 3 in real prison.

Really sad situation all around I do not believed she should be charged-just get the child some help. Afterall, 14 is just a child and her mother/parents really are fuck ups for not noticing that the child was pregnant

OnlyNDaUsa said:

bluesbaby said:

yes, clearly there is too much we don't know. I am not in favor of ever putting someone under 19 in a prison system...just too screwed up.

yeah well the do not, they put them in juvenile and then "happy Birthday" you go to grown up jail.

Even sometimes a person convicted as a minor can do a year to 3 in real prison.

and be abused (still a child) and then come out more screwed up then they went in...

nursev said:

Really sad situation all around I do not believed she should be charged-just get the child some help. Afterall, 14 is just a child and her mother/parents really are fuck ups for not noticing that the child was pregnant

i am not going to be too quick to judge the parents. Kids can do all kinds of things to hide something. And we do now know if it was full term. Looking at the photo, it seems pretty small to be full term. (i assume the blanket is pretty think)

OnlyNDaUsa said:

nursev said:

Really sad situation all around I do not believed she should be charged-just get the child some help. Afterall, 14 is just a child and her mother/parents really are fuck ups for not noticing that the child was pregnant

i am not going to be too quick to judge the parents. Kids can do all kinds of things to hide something. And we do now know if it was full term. Looking at the photo, it seems pretty small to be full term. (i assume the blanket is pretty think)

As the mother of a teen Imma say this as nicely as possible Are U Serious? With Teenage girls you need to be up on everything I mean who they're dating and when and if their monthly comes Seriously you gotta pay attention to shit! My son is 17 and believe me if he has a girl over or even his friends for that matter momma is all over it making sure everything is on the up and up Of course kids will do shit when their parents are not around and if a teenage pregnancy occurs unfortunately what kind of good parent does not know their child is pregnant? Or got somebody pregnant-there comes a time when it will come out either way it goes. The parent in this case is just as guilty imo.

nursev said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

i am not going to be too quick to judge the parents. Kids can do all kinds of things to hide something. And we do now know if it was full term. Looking at the photo, it seems pretty small to be full term. (i assume the blanket is pretty think)

As the mother of a teen Imma say this as nicely as possible Are U Serious? With Teenage girls you need to be up on everything I mean who they're dating and when and if their monthly comes Seriously you gotta pay attention to shit! My son is 17 and believe me if he has a girl over or even his friends for that matter momma is all over it making sure everything is on the up and up Of course kids will do shit when their parents are not around and if a teenage pregnancy occurs unfortunately what kind of good parent does not know their child is pregnant? Or got somebody pregnant-there comes a time when it will come out either way it goes. The parent in this case is just as guilty imo.

I am not going to be too quick to judge. Maybe she was a chubby girl? maybe she did not show? Maybe when the mom was her age she gained a lot of weight so they did not think to ask? There are may reasons why even a well involved parent might have missed this.

And Like I said, if that is a standard sized twin blanket then that baby could be 2 pounds or less. It might have been miscarried at 16 weeks for all we know.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

nursev said:

As the mother of a teen Imma say this as nicely as possible Are U Serious? With Teenage girls you need to be up on everything I mean who they're dating and when and if their monthly comes Seriously you gotta pay attention to shit! My son is 17 and believe me if he has a girl over or even his friends for that matter momma is all over it making sure everything is on the up and up Of course kids will do shit when their parents are not around and if a teenage pregnancy occurs unfortunately what kind of good parent does not know their child is pregnant? Or got somebody pregnant-there comes a time when it will come out either way it goes. The parent in this case is just as guilty imo.

I am not going to be too quick to judge. Maybe she was a chubby girl? maybe she did not show? Maybe when the mom was her age she gained a lot of weight so they did not think to ask? There are may reasons why even a well involved parent might have missed this.

And Like I said, if that is a standard sized twin blanket then that baby could be 2 pounds or less. It might have been miscarried at 16 weeks for all we know.

Okay Imma semi agree with this, but using myself as an example When I got pregnant with my child I weighed 140lbs I was always kinda healthy cuz I'm short and even with all that folks could tell I was pregnant My aunt knew even before I told anybody-an involved parent knows My best friend was pregnant at 18 but she looked 14 and even on her-her parents knew by looking at her They were involved in her daily life and that makes a difference with knowing what's going on with the child

nursev said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I am not going to be too quick to judge. Maybe she was a chubby girl? maybe she did not show? Maybe when the mom was her age she gained a lot of weight so they did not think to ask? There are may reasons why even a well involved parent might have missed this.

And Like I said, if that is a standard sized twin blanket then that baby could be 2 pounds or less. It might have been miscarried at 16 weeks for all we know.

Okay Imma semi agree with this, but using myself as an example When I got pregnant with my child I weighed 140lbs I was always kinda healthy cuz I'm short and even with all that folks could tell I was pregnant My aunt knew even before I told anybody-an involved parent knows My best friend was pregnant at 18 but she looked 14 and even on her-her parents knew by looking at her They were involved in her daily life and that makes a difference with knowing what's going on with the child

and this is in NY so maybe she was able to dress in such a way, baggy sweaters and the like, for the last several months?

And again, from that photo, I am thinking the baby was tiny.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

nursev said:

Okay Imma semi agree with this, but using myself as an example When I got pregnant with my child I weighed 140lbs I was always kinda healthy cuz I'm short and even with all that folks could tell I was pregnant My aunt knew even before I told anybody-an involved parent knows My best friend was pregnant at 18 but she looked 14 and even on her-her parents knew by looking at her They were involved in her daily life and that makes a difference with knowing what's going on with the child

and this is in NY so maybe she was able to dress in such a way, baggy sweaters and the like, for the last several months?

And again, from that photo, I am thinking the baby was tiny.

Maybe true

Nothinbutjoy said:

Women hide pregnancies all the time unfortunately. It is done every day. It does help if the people around them are involved, but if a woman is desperate enough she will do whatever it takes to conceal her pregnancy.

this is true

paintedlady said:

I would hate to think that people would allow her to go to jail and have something like this follow her in records for the rest of her life. I hope she is allowed the sympathy she needs to get proper help and support.

This girl needs therapy and her parents need to be more attentive to say the least.

But my guess is somebody in that family violated that child. She probably didn't even look pregnant. I've seen teen girls who were 9 months and only looked like they were overweight or just had a lil tummy. These girls don't eat, they don't get medical help, they wear babby clothes etc. It's an easy thing to hide when you're a small kid your self. I feel sorry for her. Obviously she was afraid and traumatized which is why she hid the body behind her bed and then went on with her life as if nothing happened.

This is sad.

As a mom I find it telling that the mother didn't suspect changes in her daughter's behavior, let alone her body. Poor little girl she's going to need a lot of help dealing with this.

This is a sad situation that happens all the time in the country. Many young girls still don't realize they can seek help after having the baby, fire stations, hospitals etc... It's about education. I can't look down upon this young girl, because I don't know the whole story, or what her family life is like. As for hiding her pregnancy, that's not hard to do...so some can say the parents were not involved etc...but if someone wants to hide something it's possible.

I hope what ever happens to this young girl she gets the help she needs.

I believe she was raped and that's why she did what she did. Girls who have sex of their own free will with somebody they actually like are probably less likely to hide a pregnancy then dump the dead infant behind their bed. Whoever impregnated her ought to be pistol whipped.

Young men that rape women, drunk drivers that kill people are good examples... these people kill others as well. They do harm with intent and may be repeat offenders. So looking at an entire spectrum of ills and how people kill other people, many people who do so do not kill their own. Its not fair to lump this girl in the same group of killers previously mentioned.

Maybe this young girl could not or was not allowed to get an abortion? Many she has religious parents that would make her life hell? Pro-lifers? Maybe at 14, she didn't know what to do and lived in a state of panic leading up to the birth of this unwanted baby?

Who knows? The truth of the matter is this young kid did more damage to herself than society at large, I do not think she will repeat this crime. I also do not think this is cold blooded murder. She should not be treated like a "killer" .... simply because a girl who killed her own baby did so out of confusion coupled with fear (most likely) and not malice with intent. This girl can not be judged like a criminal to do so would be a grave mis-justice on our part as a society. Girls like this need help, real help and jail will only train her to be more calculating and will absolutely make her a criminal. This should not be allowed to follow her for entire life, she will punish herself and learn from this.

Her parents are at fault since she is a minor and the events took place in their home, if for no other reason. Her parents shouldn't go to jail, but all parties need counseling and close evaluation.

Heck, this girl may be better off in foster care or a juvenile facility away from parents that are failing her.

All that said, I am purely speculating... but this is my take on this sad story. This is why young girls need to have BC available to them so babies are not killed. Sad, sad commentary on today's youth.

[Edited 2/8/11 21:38pm]

paintedlady said:

In this society many that ar this offense or is are young and living a privaledged life "get a pass" and can recover and still live normal lives.

I'm sorry, homegirl, but...what?

PunkMistress said:

paintedlady said:

In this society many that ar this offense or is are young and living a privaledged life "get a pass" and can recover and still live normal lives.

I'm sorry, homegirl, but...what?

Jumpy cursor and I have internetz issues..... goodness !!! and I don't remember the point in that mess of a sentence... I'm getting old dammit. I edited the post... I was typing to damn fast.

[Edited 2/8/11 21:40pm]

paintedlady said:

PunkMistress said:

I'm sorry, homegirl, but...what?

Jumpy cursor and I have internetz issues..... goodness !!! and I don't remember the point in that mess of a sentence... I'm getting old dammit. I edited the post... I was typing to damn fast.

[Edited 2/8/11 21:40pm]