JustErin said:

Why do so many people have a problem with them?

I'm pretty sure they do not automatically say "fuck you, you get NOTHING if this doesn't work out" to one party by the other.

They can be as simple and practical as, "this is what we both came with when we entered this marriage, let's protect that...and this is what we will do if it doesn't work out" and both parties agree.

I think it would be a little silly to enter a partnership without having a plan if it doesn't work out. No one would enter a business partnership without a plan. I mean, people go into business with best intentions and the idea that it will last forever....not sure why a marriage would be any different.

maybe that's why some people frown upon pre-nups; they don't want their marriage looked as just another business venture.

I can see people who come from wealthy families and have inheritance as their source of income taking advantage of a prenup. Prince William for example, he better have a prenup!

Toni Braxton? Eh...No.

HotGritz said:

JustErin said:

Why do so many people have a problem with them?

I'm pretty sure they do not automatically say "fuck you, you get NOTHING if this doesn't work out" to one party by the other.

They can be as simple and practical as, "this is what we both came with when we entered this marriage, let's protect that...and this is what we will do if it doesn't work out" and both parties agree.

I think it would be a little silly to enter a partnership without having a plan if it doesn't work out. No one would enter a business partnership without a plan. I mean, people go into business with best intentions and the idea that it will last forever....not sure why a marriage would be any different.

maybe that's why some people frown upon pre-nups; they don't want their marriage looked as just another business venture.

I can see people who come from wealthy families and have inheritance as their source of income taking advantage of a prenup. Prince William for example, he better have a prenup!

Toni Braxton? Eh...No.

Whoever marries Toni would NEED one tho, so yeah she needs one too.

HotGritz said:

JustErin said:

Why do so many people have a problem with them?

I'm pretty sure they do not automatically say "fuck you, you get NOTHING if this doesn't work out" to one party by the other.

They can be as simple and practical as, "this is what we both came with when we entered this marriage, let's protect that...and this is what we will do if it doesn't work out" and both parties agree.

I think it would be a little silly to enter a partnership without having a plan if it doesn't work out. No one would enter a business partnership without a plan. I mean, people go into business with best intentions and the idea that it will last forever....not sure why a marriage would be any different.

maybe that's why some people frown upon pre-nups; they don't want their marriage looked as just another business venture.

I can see people who come from wealthy families and have inheritance as their source of income taking advantage of a prenup. Prince William for example, he better have a prenup!

Toni Braxton? Eh...No.

How can you not look at it that way? Matters of the heart do not cancel out the fact that finances are a huge part of a marriage.

It depends on what people have coming into the marriage. If you feel you have assets you want to protect before you enter a union, for some people it might be an appropriate way to go. For some people it's not even applicable. I think it's much more complicated than a yes or no.

Graycap23 said:

If u have assets.............U would be a FOOL not 2 have one.

PERIOD.

JustErin said:

HotGritz said:

maybe that's why some people frown upon pre-nups; they don't want their marriage looked as just another business venture.

I can see people who come from wealthy families and have inheritance as their source of income taking advantage of a prenup. Prince William for example, he better have a prenup!

Toni Braxton? Eh...No.

How can you not look at it that way? Matters of the heart do not cancel out the fact that finances are a huge part of a marriage.

I didn't say matters of the heart cancel out finances in a marriage. Finances in a marriage are an issue from day one to the last day. I'm saying that maybe some people frown upon pre-nups because they don't want to look at marriage as a joint business venture especially in an age where new businesses are apt to fail. Most people probably do look at marriage as a merger of the hearts and not a merger of the bank accounts.

And what happened to the Love Conquers All mentality? That's what we're told right? The popular opinion has always been that you marry someone for better or worse and in sickness and/or health. Wouldn't finances fall under that definition? Financial health or sickness? Better or worse debt/credit scores?

HotGritz said:

And what happened to the Love Conquers All mentality? That's what we're told right? The popular opinion has always been that you marry someone for better or worse and in sickness and/or health. Wouldn't finances fall under that definition? Financial health or sickness? Better or worse debt/credit scores?

Hell no! Not when one side brings debt to the marriage that the other doesn't know about. That happened to a cousin of mine several years ago, and he got fucked big time. Eventually he gave that idiot the boot, but imagine having to start all over again in your mid-40s?

These bitches think they deserve everything!

JustErin said:

Why do so many people have a problem with them?

I'm pretty sure they do not automatically say "fuck you, you get NOTHING if this doesn't work out" to one party by the other.

They can be as simple and practical as, "this is what we both came with when we entered this marriage, let's protect that...and this is what we will do if it doesn't work out" and both parties agree.

I think it would be a little silly to enter a partnership without having a plan if it doesn't work out. No one would enter a business partnership without a plan. I mean, people go into business with best intentions and the idea that it will last forever....not sure why a marriage would be any different.

Our ideas on marriage are VASTLY different.

HotGritz said:

Are prenuptial agreements fair and necessary in today's society or are they a jinx on a marriage and an insult to your supposed life partner? Should poor people bother with prenups or are those just for the rich?

Converse. sans carbs

It depends, if your are bring assets into the marriage that need to be protected, yes. Some people want protection against dept so that one is not responsible for debt their spouse accumulated before the marriage. A prenup can contain a clause proctecting retirement benefit, financial arrangements such as budgets and whether the couple will have separate bank accounts. For example, one spouse job requires them to relocate (sometimes often) the other party may want to be compensated because possibly with each move their net income and retirement benefits decline. If you have children from a previous relationship / marriage, you may want to protect their interest and assests.

A prenup can be drawn up with upteem apendages, clause, and stipulations everything from adultery, art collection, frequency of martial sex, weight gain, who gets the pet(s) . . . whatever. One important exception, you can't pre negotiate child support payments.

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If you are single and have assets and haven't ALREADY protected them, then you need to see a financial professional - and quickly.

uPtoWnNY said:

HotGritz said:

And what happened to the Love Conquers All mentality? That's what we're told right? The popular opinion has always been that you marry someone for better or worse and in sickness and/or health. Wouldn't finances fall under that definition? Financial health or sickness? Better or worse debt/credit scores?

Hell no! Not when one side brings debt to the marriage that the other doesn't know about. That happened to a cousin of mine several years ago, and he got fucked big time. Eventually he gave that idiot the boot, but imagine having to start all over again in your mid-40s?

My boss's ex-wife went from a 515 to a 690 credit score all just by being married to him and taking on his last name. They have long since divorced but I always wondered if hers went up, does that mean his went down or did his credit score stay the same. I think she defaulted on her student loans or some shit. One thing I remember...he used to get a lot of calls from creditors all calling about her debt.

minneapolisFunq said:

These bitches think they deserve everything!

Of course they do!

EDIT: @mods & fellow orgers....I do NOT approve of THIS^ orger using the b-word. But the context is still funny as hell!

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minneapolisFunq said:

These bitches think they deserve everything!

Wow. So mod's, is this going to be snipped?

I know this is different; this is what I was speaking too in a previous thead.

TD3 said:

minneapolisFunq said:

These bitches think they deserve everything!

Wow. So mod's, is this going to be snipped?

I know this is different; this is what I was speaking too in a previous thead.

I remember.

TD3 said:

minneapolisFunq said:

These bitches think they deserve everything!

Wow. So mod's, is this going to be snipped?

I know this is different; this is what I was speaking too in a previous thead.

POINT PROVEN!

I wanna get in on this but I'm very tired.

Anyway, marriage is a legal binding contract. Its a piece of paper. So, when you enter into it without reading the fine print, or doing something to protect your assets from prior to the marriage, and one comes in with debt you didn't know about, unfortunatley that is YOUR problem, for not reading the fine print!!!

If there is no prenup then everything should be divided up 50/50 in the divorce. I don't care if one of them directs traffic in a blizzard all day and the other is home eating bon bons.

I'm sure that mother fucker who was in the rain getting splashed by oncoming traffic all day, isn't exactly pleasant when they get home, so the bon bon eating soap opera watching son of a bitch deserves half just for having to deal with their ass.

And apparently Abe Lincoln and the bill of rights agree with me. Cuz that is the law.

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minneapolisFunq said:

TD3 said:

Wow. So mod's, is this going to be snipped?

I know this is different; this is what I was speaking too in a previous thead.

POINT PROVEN!

Allow me to say this. . . .

The word Bitch is a horrible, horrible word and it's thrown around our forums like 40 going north without pause or rebuke. The facts of the matter, we share this forum with other people of all ages, ethnicity, race and sexual orientation and yet this vile word is allowed. If I dared typed a racial ephithet, or sexual slur my butt would be thrown off. The word is offensive to me as a woman and it's rude not to consider women are apart of the org. What's the difference?

Finally, you don't know anything about me "point prove"? I've called you out because you are out of line. The only "Bitch" you may know . . . . the woman who gave birth to you and possibly the women who make up your extend family. My Sympathies.

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not having one encourages someone to dump you and collect, and then you'll be paying her to fuck someone else.

TD3 said:

minneapolisFunq said:

POINT PROVEN!

Allow me to say this. . . .

The word Bitch is a horrible, horrible word and it's thrown around our forums like 40 going north without pause or rebuke. The facts of the matter, we share this forum with other people of all ages, ethnicity, race and sexual orientation and yet this vile word is allowed. If I dared typed a racial ephithet, or sexual slur my butt would be thrown off. The word is offensive to me as a woman and it's rude not to consider women are apart of the org. What's the difference?

Finally, you don't know anything about me "point prove"? I've called you out because you are out of line. The only "Bitch" you may know . . . . the woman who gave birth to you and possibly the women who make up your extend family. My Sympathies.

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Would it be out of line for me to ask someone to point me in the direction of that thread please?

I'm not against prenups. I'd sign one.

HOWEVER...

You need at least a 703 to get with me, baby. I'm not marrying you and inheriting no type of bad credit! If we leave eachother, I don't need none of your assets -- I'm an independant woman. I just don't want to have to drag your ass through the relationship financially.

Hooooooo prenups!

Idk what to think of em. When my parents got married, they were both dirt poor. Also they came from a culture where divorce is frowned upon. My parents both made a life for themselves and they're waaay better off than they used to be and they gave me a lot to be grateful for. They have their fights, and they can get bad sometimes, but they still stay together and plan on being together till the end.

I wish I could find that in a mate. Someone who shares my values and wants to be with me for me forever. But chances are...I'll prolly opt for one if I do get married. I plan on having my own money (and a ton of it) one day....so I gotta be protected.

TD3 said:

minneapolisFunq said:

POINT PROVEN!

Allow me to say this. . . .

The word Bitch is a horrible, horrible word and it's thrown around our forums like 40 going north without pause or rebuke. The facts of the matter, we share this forum with other people of all ages, ethnicity, race and sexual orientation and yet this vile word is allowed. If I dared typed a racial ephithet, or sexual slur my butt would be thrown off. The word is offensive to me as a woman and it's rude not to consider women are apart of the org. What's the difference?

Finally, you don't know anything about me "point prove"? I've called you out because you are out of line. The only "Bitch" you may know . . . . the woman who gave birth to you and possibly the women who make up your extend family. My Sympathies.

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ITS JUST A WORD. GET OVER YOURSELF, PLEASE.

You think my comments should be censored, then you turn around and diss my mother?

LOL, WAY TO PROVE YOUR INTELLIGENCE! HYPOCRITE!

YOU MUST BE ON THE RAG WITH THAT TYPE OF ATTITUDE, FOR REAL!

I think that pre-nups are an necessary evil, especially in today's society. And the same is true for background checks. I don't see nothing wrong with protecting yourself.

I'm fine with prenups. I think it's better to plan for a possible break up while you guys are still happy together. Takes away the bitter sting when/if the actual break up happens. I would almost say the same about planning custody of children however a person can change or really show their true colors during the span of a crappy marriage.

markpeg said:

A prenup is very unromantic, but might be a wise thing to do if you're rich.

Have you ever heard Chris Rock's "O.J., I Understand"? A prenup is an especially wise thing to do if you're not rich!

paintedlady said:

Prenup?

Shit, I'm raising 3 children alone, my bills are paid, I have zero debt and my eldest is 20 going to a great school with a full scholarship... one down, two more to go.

I have a clean house, and an easy life, I make my own rules, eat what I want and I don't have to share my comfy bed. Or compromise with anything in my household.

Who needs marriage in this day and age?

Exactly.

I'll toss the apron away and run naked and happy instead...

Ace said:

paintedlady said:

Who needs marriage in this day and age?

Exactly.

I always thought the same, but I learned that in some cases a marriage still makes all the difference .

I am all for prenups for both parties.

It gives each person peace of mind that half of everything they worked for their entire life won't be suddenly taken away just because they were married a short period of time.

If both parties truly love each other and intend to remain married until death, why should a prenup bother either one of them? It will never come into play because they will never get divorced, right?

A prenup is like car insurance, you don't buy car insurance because you are planning on causing an accident. You buy it with the assumption that you will never have to use it ... just like a prenup.

Those who are against prenups are far more likely to expect or plan for the marriage to end in divorce, do you want to enter into holy matrimony with someone who feels that way?

you really don't have to title your threads in all capital letters. we'll seem them with lower case letters, I promise you.