He takes fatal OD
as Internet pals watch

Chatroom vultures egged him to pop more Rx pills

By HELEN KENNEDY
DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU

Brandon Vedas

"I told u I was hardcore."

Those were the last coherent words Brandon Vedas, 21, typed into the computer in his Phoenix bedroom as he showed off for Internet pals watching on a Web cam by swallowing more and more prescription drugs.

Vedas died online as a crowd of virtual onlookers egged him to "eat more!" A chilling record of the Jan. 12 chat reads like an Internet version of the notorious 1964 Kew Gardens, Queens, stabbing of Kitty Genovese as her neighbors watched from their windows.

In Vedas' case, some did try to help — begging him to stop, to call 911, to get his mother from the next room. After he passed out, some tried frantically to figure out his location while others argued against getting involved.

But the technology that brought as many as a dozen chatters into the intimacy of Vedas' bedroom was unable to tell them where he was. Internet Relay Chat is anonymous, and no one in the drug users' chat group knew the last name of the young man who called himself Ripper.

Vedas was a casualty of a new epidemic: a surge in the recreational use of pharmaceuticals, even as the rate of illegal drug use holds steady or declines. The most recent survey by the federal Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration says 11.1 million people used prescription drugs for fun in 2000, nearly half of whom were under 25.

In New York City, the number of people showing up in emergency rooms after taking too many legal narcotics jumped 47.6% from 2000 to 2001, the most recent year for which numbers are available.

"In 2001, for the first time, we had more emergency room mentions of prescription narcotic analgesics nationally than for heroin," said Dr. Westley Clark, director of the administration's Center for Substance Abuse Treatment.

In Internet discussion groups, users trade tips on how to fake symptoms to con a doctor into prescribing pain relievers, tranquilizers, stimulants and sedatives.

By his own account, bragging in the hour before he died, Vedas ingested large doses of Klonopin, Methadone, Restoril and Inderal, along with marijuana and 151-proof rum. All but the pot and the rum apparently were legally prescribed for him by a doctor and a psychiatric nurse, according to his angry and mystified family.

"It's the ideal situation — it's legal and it's free," said Vedas' brother Rich. "And most people assume that if a doctor is giving you something, it must be fine."

Vedas, who worked in computer support at the University of Phoenix, knew a lot about the dangers of mixing drugs. But he also bragged delusionally about his "high tolerance." His mother knew he had been prescribed pills for depression — but no one in the family knew he was mixing his medicine for fun, his brother said.

On the night of Jan. 12, Vedas urged chat pals to log onto his Web site and watch him go through his stash. "Bottoms up, fellas!" he crowed.

"Don't OD on us, Ripper," said one of the onlookers watching Vedas swallow pill after pill.

"That's not much," said a teenager from rural Oklahoma who calls himself Smoke2K. "Eat more. I wanna see if you survive or if you just black out."

In the macho atmosphere of the druggie chat room, Vedas seemed to have something to prove. "This is usual weekend behavior. U all said I was lying," he said.

He said it was safe and noted, "My mom is in the next room doing crozzwordz."

As he took more and more, Vedas' typing became disjointed. His chat pals cheered him on.

"Ripper — you should try to pass out in front of the cam," suggested one gleeful voyeur.

Vedas even tried to protect himself against disaster.

"In fase anything goe wrong," he said, typing his cell phone number. "Call if I look dead."

Soon, he did.

Soon, he was.

"I am online with 911. Is this the right choice?" asked one chatter. "NO NO NO NO NO," said another. "I talked my way out of it," came the reply. "I didn't give them any info."

In the end, there was nothing they could do.

Vedas' cell phone was off or not loud enough to rouse anyone else in the house. They looked up his Web site registry, but he had listed his home number as 555-1234.

And the online chatters didn't know his real name or location.

His mother found him at 1 p.m. the next day sprawled on his bed. The tech whiz's computer had shut down and locked itself automatically, so it wasn't until more than a week later that the family found out his death had had witnesses.

"It seems like the group mentality really contributed to it," said his brother, calling the transcript "disgusting."

"These people treat it like somehow it's not the real world," he said. "They forget it's not just words on a screen."

Originally published on February 1, 2003

http://www.nydailynews.co...52905c.htm
[This message was edited Tue Feb 4 8:16:33 PST 2003 by tommyalma]

thats sick dammit

He was old enough to know better.

Well, if Prince.org chatters are just talking sex, as some might think, I would imagine that's probably an OK thing.

Anji said:

What happens if someone gets a really bad rash on their genitals??? HUH???

How would you feel about that???

Anji said:

Choke that chicken!!

And I wonder who will be next...

Excerpts of Brandon Vedas' online chat
Feb. 3, 2003 05:25 PM

Editor's note: Following is a partial transcript of the online chat that Brandon Vedas (sign-on: ripper) carried on with others the night he died of a drug overdose. Caution: May be too intense for some readers. Contains graphic descriptions of drugs and drug abuse. Obscenities and some private information have been deleted.



[04:02] rippercam is up

[04:02] * grphish loves the (obscenity) !

[04:02] I got a grip of drugs

[04:02] show us ripper

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[04:03] tune in

[04:03] watch

[04:03] give us url

[04:03] rippercam

[04:03] rippercam is functioning

[04:03] amaze

[04:03] * felix is now known as theKat

[04:03] (URL for the Web cam)

[04:03] !rippercam

[04:03] forget rippercam

[04:03] grphish: I forgot rippercam

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[04:05] whats those bottles?

[04:05] TAKE ONE CAPSULE

[04:05] takea thousant!

[04:05] whats

[04:05] whats is he and she

[04:05] the (obscenity) bottles

[04:05] bottles is kind of coffin shaped too

[04:05] i DIDNT SEE

[04:06] ah

[04:06] is that bug ripper

[04:06] bud

[04:06] bud is a brand of beer as well as marijuana

[04:06] heh

[04:06] tonight is a ogod night fellas

[04:06] haha

[04:06] will u jerk it

[04:06] for me

[04:06] for me is is...i will explain

[04:06] so whaty do you have all together

[04:06] bud klono and methadone

[04:07] im just playin

[04:07] but whats in the bottles

[04:07] really

[04:07] really is there any place on the net that I can read where others have put brain power into devising ways to grow weed subversively?

[04:07] im not watching that (obscenity) anymore

[04:07] klono, methadone, restoril, inderal, weed, kb

[04:07] you need to shave your head

[04:07] kb?

[04:07] kind buds?

[04:07] yoda: methadone in bottles

[04:07] :p

[04:07] kind buds yes

[04:07] methadone

[04:07] methadone is easier on your nose than e

[04:07] u an ex heroin addict

[04:07] or hwaT?

[04:07] hwaT is the ring. . .?

[04:07] long story

[04:07] That usually means that the person doesn't want to talk about it.

[04:07] bottoms up fells

[04:07] check this (obscenity)

[04:07] hey ripper

[04:07] 8000mg equivalent of oxy-contin

[04:07] * gee_wiz has joined #shroomery

[04:07] Not a Care in Life

[04:08] * gee_wiz has left #shroomery

[04:08] haha

[04:08] i bet that tasted like (obscenity)

[04:08] brb drink

[04:08] a bottle of methadone is a dose of methadone?

[04:08] we see him knock his head on the back wall and stay there for the next 14 hours

[04:09] that little bottle is a dose?

[04:09] whao

[04:09] thats alot

[04:09] jesus

[04:09] Jesus healed the lame! With Cannabis Oil!!! http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/h...633187.stm

[04:09] I just stumbled

[04:09] to the ktichen

[04:09] I'm all (obscenity) up

[04:09] (obscenity)

[04:09] dude you just drank it

[04:09] attempted suicide #84

[04:09] did you smoke bud as well?

[04:09] yeah

[04:09] =P

[04:09] and

[04:09] ripper: how much methadone did you take?

[04:09] keep that respirator hady

[04:09] I'm gonna take some klonos

[04:09] watch

[04:09] hadny

[04:09] 80mg

[04:09] 80mg is alot of ritalin though

[04:09] handt

[04:09] pure

[04:09] pure is good yeah pure is good!

[04:10] hadndndyhdnahnaha ahdny handy

[04:10] how much is a regular dose?

[04:10] they start [eolpe who shoot at 20-30mg

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[04:10] dont OD on us ripper

[04:10] firdt time with lwuid

[04:10] ufusls pillz

[04:10] so rhey are 5mg

[04:10] * yoda has quit IRC (Leaving: Leaving_)

[04:10] did the methadone kick in aqlready

[04:11] or what.

[04:11] oh yeah

[04:11] I'm (obscenity)

[04:11] i wonder if we'll see ripper ever again

[04:11] hey ripper

[04:11] heh

[04:11] hey

[04:11] bonjour, ripper

[04:11] whatsup

[04:11] what are you on right now ripper

[04:11] yea what are you on

[04:11] aalot of drugs

[04:11] 80mg methadone

[04:11] 8mg klonopin

[04:11] 120mg resotril

[04:11] 1.5 grams KB

[04:11] 4 grams mersh

[04:11] mersh?

[04:11] mersh is east coast

[04:11] wtf

[04:12] 110 mg inderal

[04:12] hehe

[04:12] you're making drugs up!

[04:12] and

[04:12] lol

[04:12] whats mersh

[04:12] it has been said that mersh is east coast

[04:12] 2 vicodan

[04:12] dude

[04:12] you ever done this much before

[04:12] thats it

[04:12] eat more

[04:12] thats not much

[04:12] man. 2 vicodin would do me in

[04:12] don't overdose on us ripper :[

[04:12] I did this tonight

[04:12] u fools

[04:12] fools we will always be

[04:12] I eat that every morning

[04:12] did u not see my bag of drugs

[04:12] look

[04:12] * Pnutbot looks

[04:12] you (obscenity)

[04:12] you (obscenity)

[04:12] eat more

[04:12] haha Smoke2k stfu

[04:12] lol

[04:12] your (obscenity) nuts ripper

[04:12]

[04:13] yeah

[04:13] thats what I thought bitch

[04:13] id take the methadone over all if that

[04:13] don't talk to me about doing enough drugs

[04:13] thats my pesonal stash

[04:13] tough love

[04:13] all the goods

[04:13] for a weekend of fun

[04:13] those benzos

[04:13] (obscenity) yeah

[04:13] damn I am pretty sure that I would not be able more than the methadone and vicodan

[04:13] I solu eat 4 restoril

[04:13] one sec

[04:13] ripper

[04:13] ripper is a gangster!!!

[04:13] solu?

[04:13] You sure your judgement isn't impared to the least?

[04:13] you're not going to overdose on us are you?

[04:13] what the hell is this new dialect your making up

[04:14] great

[04:14] bottosms up

[04:14] lol

[04:14] cheers and righty hoe

[04:14] hell yea eat more

[04:14] lol

[04:14] eat more

[04:14] you (obscenity)

[04:14] you should get sammi over there

[04:14] lol

[04:14] wait

[04:14] wait is that legal?

[04:14] I havent taken inderal

[04:14] mmmMM

[04:14] to get your ass to the hospital in an hour

[04:14] damn if you die you (obscenity) bitch I am going to feel so bad

[04:14] yah you have

[04:14] eat more

[04:14] haha Smoke2k

[04:14]

[04:14] dude

[04:14] anyone knows rippers address?

[04:15] damn man ripper is a dumbass

[04:15] someone call the paramedics on him

[04:15] when you are making a new dialect up ripper you need to say you have had enough

[04:15] there we go

[04:15] I should be set

[04:15] I am immune to some pills but you know what I do I just don't buy them anymore

[04:15] Smoke2k, wait till the klonos vicodins and all the other pills he took kick in

[04:15] I suggest he just doesn't eat anymore

[04:15] these are good pillz u know

[04:15] ripper :]

[04:15] damn ripper your such a (obscenity)

[04:15]

[04:15] I am having a wonderful evening

[04:15] you ever done this much before?

[04:16] why am I a (obscenity)

[04:16] this is usual weekend behaviour

[04:16] I told u (obscenity)

[04:16] u all said I was lying

[04:16] haha

[04:16] how many have you eaten before

[04:16] lol

[04:16] we did?

[04:16] my mom is in the next room doing crozzwordz

[04:16] haha

[04:16] well

[04:16] yea you should go give her some

[04:16] she won't notice anyway

[04:16] offer her some pillz

[04:16] the methdone will kick your ass

[04:16] and make you pretty quiet

[04:17] your mom won't know that your crawling to bed?

[04:17] watcht this bitch

[04:17] yeah. if you do some meth

[04:17] 2 methadone

[04:17] lol

[04:17] lo,l

[04:17] you crazy sumbitch

[04:17] LOL

[04:17] you got a guitar Rippah?

[04:17] damn I gotta get this (obscenity) web cam

[04:17] if ripper doesn't die he's going to have a great time

[04:17] gimme addy again

[04:17] hell yea

[04:17] damn ripper you gotta play us some tunes bro

[04:17] whoa

[04:17] whoa is right

[04:17] I am high

[04:17] Your IP has been logged and the police are on their way, better slam that ben and jerry's and haul some ass hippy

[04:17] (obscenity) wail on that bitch

[04:17] (obscenity)

[04:18] Ripper

[04:18] Ripper is a gangster!!!

[04:18] what are you on?

[04:18] ?!!!11

[04:18] hey whats addy

[04:18] i bet ripper will just pass out and forget it all

[04:18] hes on alot

[04:18] alot of drugs

[04:18] What?

[04:18] 80mg methadone

[04:18] 8mg klonopin

[04:18] 120mg resotril

[04:18] 1.5 grams KB

[04:18] 4 grams mersh

[04:18] 160mg methadone

[04:18] lol

[04:18] holy Shit

[04:18] 8mg klonopin

[04:18] * Pnutbot worships Oea's shit.

[04:18] 120mg rrestoril

[04:18] lolol

[04:18] ripper

[04:18] ripper is a gangster!!!

[04:18] ur ded

[04:18] I just ate about 160mg inderal

[04:18] and

[04:18] we seen him eat alot

[04:18] I smoked 1.5 grams kb

[04:18] he said hes got a big tolerance

[04:18] and 5 grams normal pot

[04:18] and

[04:18] you better stay on web cam all night

[04:18] I drank some 151

[04:18] I wanna see if you survive or if you just black out

[04:19] * grphish eats nutmeg

[04:19] ripper

[04:19] ripper is a gangster!!!

[04:19] this is more fun than a drunk on cops missing teeth wearing a wife beater

[04:19] don't die (obscenity)

[04:19] i'll kill you

[04:19] man

[04:19] yea thats what I said Oea

[04:19] ripper, if you puke? can i eat it? i'll get so high of that puke

[04:19] * phalaris changes topic to ' 80mg methadone 8mg klonopin 120mg resotril 1.5 grams KB 4 grams mersh I just ate about 160mg inderal_'

[04:19] I told him he was a (obscenity) a minute ago as a joke and then he ate more

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[04:22] I haven't finished going through my bag

[04:22] no more

[04:22] (obscenity)

[04:22] CUT IT OUT

[04:22] just smoke some weed

[04:22] lol

[04:22] DSMLSDJKSD

[04:22] lol

[04:22] DUDE

[04:22] lol

[04:22] lol

[04:22] SDFJDS

[04:22] (obscenity) eat it

[04:22] (obscenity) eat it

[04:22] __STOP IT

[04:22] (obscenity) eat it

[04:22] lol

[04:22] __ STOP IT

[04:22] __ STOP IT

[04:22] __ STOP IT

[04:22] __ STOP IT

[04:22]

[04:22] ripper knows what hes doing

[04:22] dfkgjdfg

[04:22] __ STOP IT i dont care, !

[04:22] __ STOP IT i dont care, stop it

[04:22] LOL

[04:22] lol

[04:22] LOL

[04:22] LOL

[04:22] Ripper

[04:22] Ripper is a gangster!!!

[04:22] he knows he's attempting suicide for the umpteenth time

[04:22] lol

[04:22] nth

[04:23] loEL

[04:23] degree

[04:23] degree is ALT-248 °

[04:23] 1!!! ripper THIS IS YOUR MAUDER SPEAKING, ENOUGH!

[04:23] stop it ()~

[04:23] stick the pillz up yer noz

[04:23] alright

[04:23] there we go

[04:23] ripper

[04:23] ripper is a gangster!!!

[04:23] 8mg klonopin the mix

[04:23] do you want to die or what?

[04:23] !!!

[04:23] nah

[04:23] its safe

[04:23] I know what I'm doing

[04:23] When you stop breathing!

[04:23] ok look dude

[04:23] heres the plan

[04:23] Respitory depresssion

[04:23] cram the pill up your (obscenity)

[04:23] listen

[04:23] your already numb

[04:23] loel

[04:24] the domain registration

[04:24] what did you just do ripper

[04:24] on my website

[04:24] on my website are a bunch links to erowid, shroomery, all that in my link ssection

[04:24] look if we pay pal you enough money will you do it

[04:24] if you call the police

[04:24] and tell them

[04:24] * phalaris changes topic to ' 80mg methadone 8mg klonopin 120mg resotril 1.5 grams KB 4 grams mersh I just ate about 160mg inderal 8mg klonopin the mix_'

[04:24] to lookf or a AE92GTS corlla GTS from 90

[04:24] around that street block

[04:24] wtf?

[04:24] Willy The Fudgee-o

[04:24] they'll find it

[04:24] dude

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[04:27] call ripper

[04:27] he is dying

[04:27] what's wrong with him

[04:27] he took mega pills

[04:27] look at topic

[04:27] topic

[04:27] topic is good

[04:27] ^^

[04:27] 1,8(4,8o1,8^_^4,8o1,8)

[04:27] plus the 130mg inderol

[04:27] and the 8mg klonopin

[04:28] well

[04:28] the way i see it

[04:28] the way i see it is that you put a person (your child) into a situation (life) without their consent. it is therefore you who are obligated to the child, rather than the other way around

[04:28] dude

[04:28] he's got two options

[04:28] look at him

[04:28] get his stomach pumped

[04:28] 130 + 160 ?

[04:28] 290

[04:28] what is he doing

[04:28] or die

[04:28] WHAT IS HE DOING!

[04:28] talking isn't giong to do shit

[04:28] LOL

[04:28] rippercam

[04:28] (URL for the webcam)

[04:28] he's dead

[04:28] happy trails

[04:28] he's on the phone with someone

[04:28] RIPPER

[04:28] RIPPER is a gangster!!!

[04:28] come on man

[04:28] call the cops

[04:28] dude

[04:28] am talking to smoke

[04:28] don't make me tape this video stream and ebay it later

[04:28] everyting is ok

[04:29] smoke will report

[04:29] that would own

[04:29] how slurred is his speach?

[04:29] ripper

[04:29] ripper is a gangster!!!

[04:29] just call 911

[04:29] hes so slurred

[04:29] and tell them you took a whole lot of pills

[04:29] haha

[04:29] they'll fix you up

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[04:45] RIPPER: WHAT IS THAT?

[04:45] lol

[04:45] lol

[04:45] lol

[04:45] lol

[04:45] alrgiht

[04:45] lol

[04:45] '24mg klonopin

[04:45] ok

[04:45] tonight is a good night

[04:45] lol

[04:45] Someone

[04:45] Someone is gonan break soe (obscenity)

[04:45] Give me a list

[04:45] of all he's done

[04:45] in a PM

[04:45] and i'll call poison control

[04:45] the first 8mg hasn't kick in yet

[04:45] damn

[04:45] and you took another 8mg

[04:45] * phalaris changes topic to ' 80mg methadone 8mg klonopin 120mg resotril 1.5 grams KB 4 grams mersh I just ate about 160mg inderal I drank some 151 8mg klonopin the mix '24mg klonopin_'

[04:45] he is slurred and very coherent

[04:45] well ripper

[04:45] ripper is a gangster!!!

[04:46] just because 8mg is okay alone mixing it makes it mre potent

[04:46] and has more risks

[04:46] dude

[04:46] lol

[04:46] yeah ripper

[04:46] they'll think it's a prank

[04:46] step 1 might be to STOP EATING the (obscenity)

[04:46] that would be neat to see him mixing up psychedelics

[04:46] yeah, and from what i understand everyone thought pnut's suicide threat was a joke too

[04:46] i was JUST thiking about that phalaris

[04:46] He says you can (obscenity) Oea

[04:47] haha

[04:47] ??

[04:47] he is going to drink another bottle of methadone I think

[04:47] lol

[04:47] LOL

[04:47] wtf?

[04:47] Willy The Fudgee-o

[04:47] JSD

[04:47] NO

[04:47] DUDE

[04:47] look

[04:47] * Pnutbot looks

[04:47] NO

[04:47] ripper is (obscenity) hardcore

[04:47] llook

[04:47] he has to

[04:47] 400mcg LSD 2 grams mesc 100mg 5Meo DMT 8 grams shrooms

[04:47] haha hast is meth^m

[04:47] other people cannot handle

[04:47] yeah

[04:47] i'd call up poison control

[04:47] jesus

[04:47] Jesus healed the lame! With Cannabis Oil!!! http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/h...633187.stm

[04:47] i ahve before

[04:47] whoa

[04:47] whoa is right

[04:48] thatsa lot

[04:48] but

[04:48] 320mg methadone

[04:48] jesus

[04:48] Jesus healed the lame! With Cannabis Oil!!! http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/h...633187.stm

[04:48] BUNCHA (obscenity)

[04:48] ripper: did you drink mre methadone?

[04:48] ripper is either hardcore or ungodly or crazy or one hell of a poser

[04:48] man .. alcohol gives me enough of a buzz

[04:48] dude 80mg is more than enough

[04:48] me too phalaris

[04:48] he R not posOr

[04:48] if he is telling the truth

[04:48] he is dead

[04:48] heh

[04:48] the opiates should do you in

[04:48] when you do alot of methadone your supposed to keep it hot right

[04:48] yeah

[04:48] I took

[04:48] thats what he is asking

[04:48] 4 80mg bottles

[04:49] fgh

[04:49] h

[04:49] h is too addictive.. so always stayed clear of it

[04:49] dfh;'dfkhrf

[04:49] putting benzos into it doesn't seem to change anything

[04:49] he's gone

[04:49] pls all the other stuff

[04:49] ripper

[04:49] ripper is a gangster!!!

[04:49] i really love you man

[04:49] ripper

[04:49] ripper is a gangster!!!

[04:49] i love you

[04:49] its sad to see you die like this

[04:49]

[04:49] byeb ye

[04:49] NOW

[04:49] I told u I was hardcore

[04:49] GO CALL RTHE (obscenity)

[04:49] POISON CONTROL CENTER

[04:49] ripper: we knew that already

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[05:02] If ripper dies

[05:02] i got tabs

[05:02] on hsi drugs

[05:03] hes makin vpn

[05:03] if there's any lef

[05:03] t

[05:03] for what?

[05:03] * spiritualnexus has left #shroomery (www.Darker.net - Dare Thee Expose Thy Darker Side?_)

[05:03] a vpn to do...?

[05:03] for my personal benefit

[05:03] Get his address

[05:03] hey chat with me grphish

[05:03] msg me

[05:03] pm

[05:03] Someone has a crush on you

[05:04] ˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜˜shoa

[05:04] I'm (obscenity) :

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[05:15] Hmm

[05:15] Why is he just sitting there

[05:15] holding his head

[05:15] why not

[05:15] ??

[05:15] dude

[05:16] what r hsi lastr name

[05:16] i think he stopped the camera

[05:16] who the (obscenity) has a 1234 number

[05:16] no one

[05:16] no one is worthy

[05:16] thats bullshit

[05:16] well I guess he might be alive he might not

[05:16] did you check yahoo?

[05:16] he's gone

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[05:17] he's not responding

[05:17] its been fun watching this stunt

[05:18] I suggest you call poison control on his (obscenity)

[05:18] thats (obscenity) crazy what he did

[05:18] Uhh

[05:18] Wt

[05:18] f

[05:18] fahrenheit !

[05:18] How?

[05:18] I have no info on him

[05:18] he swore he didn't pass out

[05:18] but he did

[05:18] well tell them his moms cell

[05:18] why would he stop the cam?

[05:18] they can some how trace it or something

[05:18] No

[05:18] they can't!

[05:18] !!!

[05:18] MAYBE THAT HAVE

[05:18] i need his las name

[05:18] THE (obscenity) NUMBER REGISTERED

[05:19] (602) (Name withheld)

[05:19] fine

[05:19] i will call the phone company

[05:19] what provider is it?

[05:19] no dude

[05:19] THE HOSPITAL

[05:19] the hospital is the world of medicine

[05:19] i will tell them i need her info

[05:19] stat

[05:19] stat is NURse GEt Me THat haMMer!

[05:19] WTF

[05:19] Willy The Fudgee-o

[05:19] they wont iver it to u

[05:19] poison control

[05:19] 1-800-222-1222

[05:19] Ripper you (obscenity), if you are joking

[05:19] (obscenity) you

[05:19] i cam calling poison control

[05:19] good

[05:20] that dumb (obscenity) is going to die

[05:20] he just passed out awhile ago

[05:20] he prolly just did it again

[05:20] I hope he gets mad cause this is a stunt worthy of us helping him if it isn't

[05:20] 360 mg of methadone

[05:20] will kill him right there

[05:20] either way he is a idiot in my opinion

[05:21] dont

[05:21] do

[05:21] do is such a futuuuristic word

[05:21] it

[05:21] Oea what is poison control saying

[05:21] what if he dies

[05:21] ong

[05:21] they said

[05:21] call 911 right now

[05:21] and he is almost assured dead

[05:21] if we dont'

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[05:22] might not want to do that

[05:22] but then again I don't know

[05:22] he might just be (obscenity) up and not have stuff straight

[05:22] you could really (obscenity) get him arrested

[05:22] damn this is hard call

[05:22] yall make it

[05:22] good night

[05:22] * Smoke2k has quit IRC (Leaving: _)

[05:23] i am on line with 911

[05:23] is this the right choice?

[05:23] NO

[05:23] ??

[05:23] mayb

[05:23] probably is

[05:23] just tell him for help

[05:23] or somehting

[05:24] NO

[05:24] NO

[05:24] NO

[05:24] NO

[05:24] NO

[05:24] NO

[05:24] NO

[05:24] NO

[05:24] NO

[05:24] lolol

[05:24] okay

[05:24] i talked my way out of it

[05:24] didn't give them any info

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[05:42] hey ripper

[05:42] what's the url to your cam

[05:42] your cam is hosted by my machine

[05:42] lol

[05:43] it's off

[05:43] the cam is off

[05:44] he's gone

IceNine said:

I'd think that was pretty funny.

Thick stupid bastards like that don't deserve to live.I have zero sympathy.

Anji said:

So would I!

:LOL:

This article makes me absolutely sick to my stomach. I can't believe a doctor prescribed all of those medications to him.

Who's the fool who keeps saying

"ripper is a gangster".

He needs some drugs too.

yeh...in our 'virtual' communications..with our 'virtual' friends we sometimes forget there is a real world connected to us at the other end...

sure the kid wasn't stable...and maybe he would have done it anyway..

maybe the people chatting with him didn't think he would actually do it...

the fact of the matter is..he did...so maybe we could all think a little more about the type of stuff that we are willing to say to each other...you never know who you're really talkin' to...


and now back to our regularly scheduled programming...

That's pretty sad... it made me think that sometimes we take things 2 far.

CarrieLee said:

Terrific, now we're going to blame "the doctor." The pills may have come from one or many doctors, but more likely than not, I suspect they were "purchased" or stolen. Individually, each of those medications has a valid medical use. When used as directed, they can provide relief from severe pain, treatment for seizure, and various sleep disturbances. I strongly doubt that any physician would advise mixing these agents, and if the pills were kept in their original prescription containers, there would be explicit directions and warnings regarding proper use.

"In Internet discussion groups, users trade tips on how to fake symptoms to con a doctor into prescribing pain relievers, tranquilizers, stimulants and sedatives."

Let's channel appropriate disgust at a youth culture that seems to celebrate drug abuse, including tobacco. This young person was sick. Where were his parents and friends. His mother (in the next room) didn't check on him until the following day. If he was a thrill-seeker, then it's his fault alone. If he was suicidal, then perhaps it's unfair to blame anyone. Leave the doctor(s) out of it, unless there is evidence of medical malpractice, which this transcript certainly does not support.

I read this when it was first posted. I had to take some time and think about it. Yet, to no difference, I am floored. This is more than a tragedy... it's plain frightening!

It goes to show that we as humans have more of an impact on eachother than we try to realize, via internet or in person.

I will personally take an oath to be more thoughtful and understanding of others in the future... because I DO care.

Not to be harsh or anything, but "Ripper" was a dumbass. I don't agree with people urging him to do more and all that, but that "Ripper" guy was SOLELY responsible for his own actions.

That "Ripper" guy was a fucking idiot.

Here's his obituary:

http://www.legacy.com/azc...nId=725033

It says, in part, "Whether online or in person, Brandon had his own unique way of doing things."

No comment.

matt said:

TheMax said:

If you read the article Mr. Max it said that they were all legally prescribed except for the alcohol and the marijuana. Pharmacies should have records of what drugs are prescribed to patients to avoid mixing the wrong prescriptions.

Now speaking from experience, there are a lot of doctors who DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT PATIENTS WITH DRUG PROBLEMS. My brother's doctor gave him 11 prescriptions of 80mg oxycontin within a month for a "sore" leg and then he died. He also prescribed xanax with the oxycontin and when mixed it could be deadly.

So don't give me that "terrific now we're going to blame the doctor" because frankly most of them don't give a fuck.
[This message was edited Wed Feb 5 6:11:48 PST 2003 by CarrieLee]

CarrieLee said:

"In Internet discussion groups, users trade tips on how to fake symptoms to con a doctor into prescribing pain relievers, tranquilizers, stimulants and sedatives."

Really, are you sure that "most of them don't give a fuck." We covered the unfortunate and sad story about your brother on a previous thread. Blame that doctor if you'd like. Go to court. I doubt that you'd prevail on the basis of the "facts" that you presented then.

In any event, I completely disagree with your assertion regarding "most" in the medical profession. In fact, I'd say uncaring doctors are in the distinct minority. Do you have a private physician? Does he/she "care?"

TheMax said:

We are going to court and we have a very strong case. This doctor failed to read numerous letters from psychologists telling him to stop prescribing medication. And in another instance he was overheard by a nurse saying "Who cares if I give them meds, they're going to get them from somebody else anyway". Real caring doctor eh?

Yup, I have a private physician, I've had many. And they've all sucked. They would prescribe something over the phone instead of seeing me.

Maybe I shouldn't have said most in my previous post, but in my opinion even saying "some" is too many.

In this case this person had far too many legal prescriptions. It should have been flagged along time ago.


Oh and as for "We covered the unfortunate and sad story about your brother on a previous thread." A big to you, it was relevant to what we're discussing.

Are you a doctor Max? Cuz by the uncaringness in your posts you sure sound like one.



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[This message was edited Wed Feb 5 13:01:37 PST 2003 by CarrieLee]

CarrieLee said:

Wow, why doesn't that surprise me.


I agree. I wonder why you have been so unlucky.



Flagged by whom. Existing privacy laws prevent doctors from sharing information without patient consent. Pharmacies do not check their prescriptions against others written for the same patient. When will you begin to acknowledge that "ripper" bore the greatest responsibility for this tragedy?



Yes, and as I recall you were blaming the medical profession then as well. A loss of a loved one is very tragic, but the circumstances that you previously described suggest that the blame does not rest solely with the physician.


There are caring, highly dedicated doctors - most that I know. Your bias is obvious.

Now a question for you! Do you smoke, CarrieLee? Cuz if you do, it'll soon be time to make a friend in the medical profession!

Oh, one more thing. you too!

The whole thing is just sad. He's an ass for needing/wanting an audience to kill himself & making his morbid show available to whoever's sick as he is. The fellow chatters who egged on an obviously disturbed person are asses as well. It's a mess & very fucking sad...

IstenSzek said:

Definitely!!

This thread really bothered me and I think everyone is missing the point.

His mom was in the next room doing crossword puzzles. They didn't find him until 1 pm the next day. Then the article says that his mom didn't know what he was prescribed for his depression.

Being a parent is a full time job that lasts forever. If the kid is living in your house, why weren't the parents more involved? Crossword puzzles? WTF!

There is no excuse for being a lazy fucking moron who was able to breed.

JamesMarshallHendrix said:

Granted, he was living under his parents' roof... but he was 21, and therefore an adult. I don't think his mother had much of a duty, if any, to act as his parent.

It's not like you stop being a mom when your kids hit legal age. She obviously wasn't much of a parent up to that point anyway.