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Zodiac Sign Changes and New Sign Ophiuchus

New Zodiac sign chart and addition of Ophiuchus

Updated: Thursday, 13 Jan 2011, 8:49 PM CST
Published : Thursday, 13 Jan 2011, 7:38 PM CST

report by Tom Lyden / FOX 9 News

MINNEAPOLIS - It's a new year, and there's new Zodiac signs for many in 2011. Professor Parke Kunkle of the Minnesota Planetarium Society says the Zodiac has a date problem. If you imagine the Earth as a spinning top, the axis changes as it wobbles.

5,000 years later, it means the stars are not aligned, so those with a Libra horoscope are really a Virgo, and many others have a new Zodiac sign too.

“Right now its pointing this way, the North Star, but 3000 BC it was pointing differently,” Kunkle said. “Now things have moved and the sun is in a different constellation. We're about a whole constellation off.“

And don’t forget Ophiuchus, astrology’s orphan.

”Ophiuchus has been a constellation for years and it just gets left out,” Kunkle said.

NEW ZODIAC SIGN CHART

Capricorn
January 20- to February 16

Aquarius
February 16 to March 11

Pisces
March 11 to April 18.

Aries
April 18 to May 13

Taurus
May 13 to June 21.

Gemini
June 21 to July 20

Cancer
July 20 to August 10

Leo
August 10 to September 16

Virgo
September 16 to October 30

Libra
October 30 to November 23

Scorpio
November 23 to November 29

Ophiuchus
November 29 to December 17

Sagittarius
December 17 to January 20

Betsy Blumenfeld of Mendota Heights, Minn. has been studying astrology for 30 years, and says most of the charting these days is done by computer. She also says most Western astrologers look not to the stars, but to the Earth.

For the astrologer and the astronomer, it seems the stars will never align -- the age-old battle between science and mysticism, and yet both keep looking.

"I'm having a blast,” Kunkle said. “among other things it calls attention to astronomy."

Statement from Prof. Parke Kunkle, Minneapolis Community and Technical College and Minnesota Planetarium Society board member:

”In science we deal with a long tradition of fact based investigation. We are not in the business of interpreting the purported relation between the positions of planets and human affairs.

“The Earth spins and, like a toy top, the spin axis moves around, pointing in different directions. Today, Earth's spin axis points toward the pole star, Polaris. Around 3000 BC Earth's spin axis pointed toward Thuban. Wait 26,000 years and the north star will again be Thuban. Astronomers call this motion of the spin axis precession. About 130 BC, Hipparchus noticed that the Earth's spin axis had changed directions, so astronomers and astrologers have known about the Earth's precession for over 2000 years.

“But this means that if the sun was "in" a certain constellation on a particular date, it is in a different constellation on that date today. For example, the sun was in Pisces on March 1, 2000 BC but it is in Aquarius on March 1, 2011 AD.”

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Reply #1 posted 01/14/11 3:43am

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I predict many tramp stamps will be removed over this. lol

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Reply #2 posted 01/14/11 3:45am

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I predict many tramp stamps will be removed over this. lol

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Reply #3 posted 01/14/11 6:21am

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l'm still gonna claim Scorpio hmph!

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Reply #4 posted 01/14/11 6:28am

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bboy87 said:

l'm still gonna claim Scorpio hmph!

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Reply #5 posted 01/14/11 3:01pm

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I. AM. NOT. A. PISCES??? eek

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Please! talk to the hand

With all this drama...of course I am! dancing jig

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[Edited 1/14/11 7:03am]

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Reply #6 posted 01/14/11 3:10pm

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funkycat00 said:

bboy87 said:

l'm still gonna claim Scorpio hmph!

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same here. i read somewhere else it only affects those born after 2009. libra? wtf is that? i am a scorpion and a sting!

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Reply #7 posted 01/14/11 3:29pm

uPtoWnNY

We've been duped!

http://www.dailyhoroscope.com/horoscope-headlines/ophiuchus-the-13th-zodiac-sign

Today’s media hype about Ophiuchus, “the new 13th Zodiac Sign,” has sent folks spinning into an astrological identity crisis -- as well as overloading our own DH web servers. Um, too bad the whole thing is not even true.

“Ophiuchus has nothing to do with Astrology,” said expert astrologer Rick Levine. “It’s not an Astrology issue. It has to do with the stars -- it’s not a sign, it’s a constellation.”

What?! Really?

“There are four seasons each with a beginning, middle and end," Levine continued. "That makes 12 zodiac signs, and there’s no such thing as a 13th astrological sign."

So why are people freaking out, wondering if they went to bed last night a Gemini and woke up a Taurus? No worries, friends. Here are the answers you’ve been waiting for on this cosmic controversy:

What is Ophiuchus?

Ophiuchus is a large modern constellation commonly represented as a man grasping the snake represented by the constellation Serpens.

Is Ophiuchus the 13th sign?

No. It’s just a constellation. Even the founding text for Astrology (Tetrabiblos by Claudius Ptolemy written 170 AD only mentions 12 signs.) A few astrologers who practice the controversial sidereal (consellation-based) zodiac use it as the 13th zodiacal sign – and by a few we mean about 1 percent.

How did this whole myth get started?

It began when astronomy professor Parke Kunkle of Minneapolis Community and Technical College told the Minneapolis Star-Tribune about the procession of stars over time. He said “Three thousand years ago the Sun was 'in' whatever it was in. Now it's about a whole constellation off from that." Kunkle’s quote went viral and was picked up by FOX News and other media outlets because people mistakenly assume that Astrology is based on constellations. But that’s not true.

So what is the truth?

Astrology is based on the four seasons, not on constellations -- and the seasons don’t change. As Levine said above, there are four seasons, each with a beginning, middle and end, which adds up to 12 zodiac signs. There is no 13th astrological sign. Period.

What does this mean for you?

Nothing! Your horoscope sign hasn’t changed. If you were a Gemini yesterday, you’re still a Gemini today – don’t worry, you’ll never wake up a Taurus. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

What can we learn from this?

Listen to the experts, and don’t believe everything you read until you check your facts. There are a lot of people out there who think they understand Astrology when they really don’t. DailyHoroscope.com works only with authentic astrologers and we’ll be sure to keep you informed of the truth.

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Reply #8 posted 01/14/11 3:49pm

PositivityNYC

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uPtoWnNY said:

We've been duped!

http://www.dailyhoroscope...odiac-sign

Today’s media hype about Ophiuchus, “the new 13th Zodiac Sign,” has sent folks spinning into an astrological identity crisis -- as well as overloading our own DH web servers. Um, too bad the whole thing is not even true.

“Ophiuchus has nothing to do with Astrology,” said expert astrologer Rick Levine. “It’s not an Astrology issue. It has to do with the stars -- it’s not a sign, it’s a constellation.”

What?! Really?

“There are four seasons each with a beginning, middle and end," Levine continued. "That makes 12 zodiac signs, and there’s no such thing as a 13th astrological sign."

So why are people freaking out, wondering if they went to bed last night a Gemini and woke up a Taurus? No worries, friends. Here are the answers you’ve been waiting for on this cosmic controversy:

What is Ophiuchus?

Ophiuchus is a large modern constellation commonly represented as a man grasping the snake represented by the constellation Serpens.

Is Ophiuchus the 13th sign?

No. It’s just a constellation. Even the founding text for Astrology (Tetrabiblos by Claudius Ptolemy written 170 AD only mentions 12 signs.) A few astrologers who practice the controversial sidereal (consellation-based) zodiac use it as the 13th zodiacal sign – and by a few we mean about 1 percent.

How did this whole myth get started?

It began when astronomy professor Parke Kunkle of Minneapolis Community and Technical College told the Minneapolis Star-Tribune about the procession of stars over time. He said “Three thousand years ago the Sun was 'in' whatever it was in. Now it's about a whole constellation off from that." Kunkle’s quote went viral and was picked up by FOX News and other media outlets because people mistakenly assume that Astrology is based on constellations. But that’s not true.

So what is the truth?

Astrology is based on the four seasons, not on constellations -- and the seasons don’t change. As Levine said above, there are four seasons, each with a beginning, middle and end, which adds up to 12 zodiac signs. There is no 13th astrological sign. Period.

What does this mean for you?

Nothing! Your horoscope sign hasn’t changed. If you were a Gemini yesterday, you’re still a Gemini today – don’t worry, you’ll never wake up a Taurus. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

What can we learn from this?

Listen to the experts, and don’t believe everything you read until you check your facts. There are a lot of people out there who think they understand Astrology when they really don’t. DailyHoroscope.com works only with authentic astrologers and we’ll be sure to keep you informed of the truth.

cool

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Reply #9 posted 01/14/11 3:58pm

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I still don't understand why some people are saying it has changed and others are saying that you are still the sign you thought you were.

I never ever thought I'd say this, but....

Can someone please dumb this down for me? I don't understand!

lol

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Reply #10 posted 01/14/11 4:06pm

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CallMeCarrie said:

I still don't understand why some people are saying it has changed and others are saying that you are still the sign you thought you were.

I never ever thought I'd say this, but....

Can someone please dumb this down for me? I don't understand!

lol

its bullshit

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Reply #11 posted 01/14/11 5:19pm

Timmy84

I knew it was fake as Pamela Anderson's titties. bored2


Aries for life bitches. cool

[Edited 1/14/11 9:22am]

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Reply #12 posted 01/14/11 5:23pm

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No, your zodiac sign hasn't changed

Tattoo parlor owners must be salivating. An assertion in a Minneapolis Star Tribune article that our understanding of the zodiac is off by about a month - and that therefore people have been identifying themselves with the wrong sign - caught fire on the internet Thursday, and many folks are in an absolute panic on social media.

"If my zodiac symbol has been changed to a Libra, what am I supposed to do with my Scorpio

tattoo?!?!," read one tweet Thursday.

Some vowed to get their tats removed. Others groaned about losing the sign with which they’ve identified themselves for years. The zodiac and related terms - including Ophiuchus, said to be a 13th and neglected sign - were trending Twitter topics much of Thursday.

But before astrology fans scrape the ink from their arms because they think they're now a Virgo instead of a Libra, they should consider this: If they adhered to the tropical zodiac - which, if they're a Westerner, they probably did – absolutely nothing has changed for them.

That's worth rephrasing: If you considered yourself a Cancer under the tropical zodiac last week, you're still a Cancer under the same zodiac this week.

That's because the tropical zodiac – which is fixed to seasons, and which Western astrology adheres to – differs from the sidereal zodiac – which is fixed to constellations and is followed more in the East, and is the type of zodiac to which the Star Tribune article ultimately refers.

Two zodiacs. That's nothing new.

"This story is born periodically as if someone has discovered some truth. It's not news," said Jeff Jawer, astrologer with Tarot.com.

The hubbub started with Sunday's Star Tribune article, which said the following: "The ancient Babylonians based zodiac signs on the constellation the sun was 'in' on the day a person was born. During the ensuing millenniums, the moon’s gravitational pull has made the Earth 'wobble' around its axis, creating about a one-month bump in the stars' alignment."

"When [astrologers] say that the sun is in Pisces, it’s really not in Pisces," Parke Kunkle, a board member of the Minnesota Planetarium Society, told the Star Tribune.

"Indeed," the article continued, "most horoscope readers who consider themselves Pisces are actually Aquarians." The article also asserts Scorpio's window lasts only seven days, and that a 13th constellation, Ophiuchus, used to be counted between Scorpio and Sagittarius but was discarded by the Babylonians because they wanted 12 signs per year.

True enough, Jawer says, the sun doesn't align with constellations at the same time of year that it did millennia ago. But that’s irrelevant for the tropical zodiac, codified for Western astrology by Ptolemy in the second century, he says.

In the tropical zodiac, the start of Aries is fixed to one equinox, and Libra the other.

"When we look at the astrology used in the Western world, the seasonally based astrology has not changed, was never oriented to the constellations, and stands as … has been stated for two

millenniums," Jawer said.

People who put stock in astrology can ask whether they should adhere to the tropical zodiac or the sidereal zodiac. Jawer argues for the tropical.

"Astrology is geocentric. It relates life on Earth to the Earth’s environment, and seasons are the most dramatic effect, which is why we use the tropical zodiac," he said.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com...t-changed/

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Reply #13 posted 01/14/11 5:26pm

Timmy84

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No, your zodiac sign hasn't changed

Tattoo parlor owners must be salivating. An assertion in a Minneapolis Star Tribune article that our understanding of the zodiac is off by about a month - and that therefore people have been identifying themselves with the wrong sign - caught fire on the internet Thursday, and many folks are in an absolute panic on social media.

"If my zodiac symbol has been changed to a Libra, what am I supposed to do with my Scorpio

tattoo?!?!," read one tweet Thursday.

Some vowed to get their tats removed. Others groaned about losing the sign with which they’ve identified themselves for years. The zodiac and related terms - including Ophiuchus, said to be a 13th and neglected sign - were trending Twitter topics much of Thursday.

But before astrology fans scrape the ink from their arms because they think they're now a Virgo instead of a Libra, they should consider this: If they adhered to the tropical zodiac - which, if they're a Westerner, they probably did – absolutely nothing has changed for them.

That's worth rephrasing: If you considered yourself a Cancer under the tropical zodiac last week, you're still a Cancer under the same zodiac this week.

That's because the tropical zodiac – which is fixed to seasons, and which Western astrology adheres to – differs from the sidereal zodiac – which is fixed to constellations and is followed more in the East, and is the type of zodiac to which the Star Tribune article ultimately refers.

Two zodiacs. That's nothing new.

"This story is born periodically as if someone has discovered some truth. It's not news," said Jeff Jawer, astrologer with Tarot.com.

The hubbub started with Sunday's Star Tribune article, which said the following: "The ancient Babylonians based zodiac signs on the constellation the sun was 'in' on the day a person was born. During the ensuing millenniums, the moon’s gravitational pull has made the Earth 'wobble' around its axis, creating about a one-month bump in the stars' alignment."

"When [astrologers] say that the sun is in Pisces, it’s really not in Pisces," Parke Kunkle, a board member of the Minnesota Planetarium Society, told the Star Tribune.

"Indeed," the article continued, "most horoscope readers who consider themselves Pisces are actually Aquarians." The article also asserts Scorpio's window lasts only seven days, and that a 13th constellation, Ophiuchus, used to be counted between Scorpio and Sagittarius but was discarded by the Babylonians because they wanted 12 signs per year.

True enough, Jawer says, the sun doesn't align with constellations at the same time of year that it did millennia ago. But that’s irrelevant for the tropical zodiac, codified for Western astrology by Ptolemy in the second century, he says.

In the tropical zodiac, the start of Aries is fixed to one equinox, and Libra the other.

"When we look at the astrology used in the Western world, the seasonally based astrology has not changed, was never oriented to the constellations, and stands as … has been stated for two

millenniums," Jawer said.

People who put stock in astrology can ask whether they should adhere to the tropical zodiac or the sidereal zodiac. Jawer argues for the tropical.

"Astrology is geocentric. It relates life on Earth to the Earth’s environment, and seasons are the most dramatic effect, which is why we use the tropical zodiac," he said.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com...t-changed/

cool I'm laughing at those who believed it! hah!

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Reply #14 posted 01/14/11 5:37pm

SherryJackson

Timmy84 said:

I knew it was fake as Pamela Anderson's titties. bored2


Aries for life bitches. cool

[Edited 1/14/11 9:22am]

I think this explains why we get along... cool lol

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Reply #15 posted 01/14/11 6:09pm

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June 21st!! I'm STILL A Gemini!! falloff

astroFAIL.

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Reply #16 posted 01/14/11 7:04pm

Timmy84

SherryJackson said:

Timmy84 said:

I knew it was fake as Pamela Anderson's titties. bored2


Aries for life bitches. cool

[Edited 1/14/11 9:22am]

I think this explains why we get along... cool lol

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Reply #17 posted 01/15/11 11:45pm

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Some of these new charts still say that I'm a Virgo, and some now say I'm a Leo. I was born on September 15th.

Fuck that shit, man. I'm not changing it and Ophiuchus can lick my Virgo Virgin Clitoris.

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I only do things for fun.

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Reply #18 posted 01/15/11 11:58pm

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WTF?????

You can't just go around CHANGING THE ZODIAC!

I'm a Scorpio Dammit. Thats just the way it is.

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I layed down with love and I woke up with lies
Whats it all worth only the heart can measure
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Reply #19 posted 01/16/11 12:35am

Timmy84

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Some of these new charts still say that I'm a Virgo, and some now say I'm a Leo. I was born on September 15th.

Fuck that shit, man. I'm not changing it and Ophiuchus can lick my Virgo Virgin Clitoris.

batting eyes

Don't even put too much INTO it. It's not true. lol Just live your life. We're more than just a sign. cool

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Reply #20 posted 01/16/11 12:51am

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lol

Timmy84 said:

Acrylic said:

Some of these new charts still say that I'm a Virgo, and some now say I'm a Leo. I was born on September 15th.

Fuck that shit, man. I'm not changing it and Ophiuchus can lick my Virgo Virgin Clitoris.

batting eyes

Don't even put too much INTO it. It's not true. lol Just live your life. We're more than just a sign. cool

I don't follow astrology or horoscopes anyway. lol

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Reply #21 posted 01/16/11 1:04am

Timmy84

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lol

Timmy84 said:

Don't even put too much INTO it. It's not true. lol Just live your life. We're more than just a sign. cool

I don't follow astrology or horoscopes anyway. lol

Me either. lol

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Reply #22 posted 01/16/11 6:54am

nursev

Seriously WTF! I'm just getting use to this Aquarius shit and now they change it lol

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Reply #23 posted 01/16/11 6:59am

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I'm still claiming Libra. I ain't claiming no damn Virgo. lol

Don't laugh at my funk
This funk is a serious joint
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Reply #24 posted 01/16/11 7:02am

nursev

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I'm still claiming Libra. I ain't claiming no damn Virgo. lol

I'm with u-not claiming Capricorn hmph!

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Reply #25 posted 01/16/11 7:05am

SherryJackson

nursev said:

phunkdaddy said:

I'm still claiming Libra. I ain't claiming no damn Virgo. lol

I'm with u-not claiming Capricorn hmph!

highfive Join the Virgo Revolution... cool

Happening on the other thread...lol

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Reply #26 posted 01/16/11 8:21am

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uPtoWnNY said:


Astrology is based on the four seasons, not on constellations -- and the seasons don’t change. As Levine said above, there are four seasons, each with a beginning, middle and end, which adds up to 12 zodiac signs. There is no 13th astrological sign. Period.

Exactly. Since there are 12 months, there are 12 signs, and no more than that, ever. This new theory is absurd. I mean, unless these astronomers totally destroy the time system and create a new month now, called "Smarch" (from The Simpsons lol), or something, lol.

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Reply #27 posted 01/16/11 8:58am

Timmy84

Here's my advice to y'all worrywarts: stop watching the news. lol

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Reply #28 posted 01/16/11 10:37am

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fish when i was born

fish til i die

seems that i was busy doing something close to nothing, but different than the day before music beret
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Reply #29 posted 01/16/11 12:01pm

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Folks... There are posts of 2 additional articles stating: It's not true; nothing has changed.

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