Watching it now. It's awfully boring.

DrRockdapuss said:

Cop by day like Dick Grayson.

Girl fights like Huntress.

i get your point, but i think you're reaching a bit far with the above two points.

when was Dick Grayson ever a cop? and how because the female lead got into a fight, does she "fight like the Huntress"?

anyhoo. i didn't think the Cape would be very good, and it wasn't. the premise is just flat. "the Carnival of Crime". please.

I thought it was cool ...

ButterscotchPimp said:

DrRockdapuss said:

Cop by day like Dick Grayson.

Girl fights like Huntress.

i get your point, but i think you're reaching a bit far with the above two points.

when was Dick Grayson ever a cop? and how because the female lead got into a fight, does she "fight like the Huntress"?

anyhoo. i didn't think the Cape would be very good, and it wasn't. the premise is just flat. "the Carnival of Crime". please.

Dick Grayson became a cop in the Nightwing series, after he moved to the stupidly named Bludhaven.

Efan said:

ButterscotchPimp said:

i get your point, but i think you're reaching a bit far with the above two points.

when was Dick Grayson ever a cop? and how because the female lead got into a fight, does she "fight like the Huntress"?

anyhoo. i didn't think the Cape would be very good, and it wasn't. the premise is just flat. "the Carnival of Crime". please.

Dick Grayson became a cop in the Nightwing series, after he moved to the stupidly named Bludhaven.

Grayson stop by the other day, we played some Halo.

Twas ok.

Efan said:

ButterscotchPimp said:

i get your point, but i think you're reaching a bit far with the above two points.

when was Dick Grayson ever a cop? and how because the female lead got into a fight, does she "fight like the Huntress"?

anyhoo. i didn't think the Cape would be very good, and it wasn't. the premise is just flat. "the Carnival of Crime". please.

Dick Grayson became a cop in the Nightwing series, after he moved to the stupidly named Bludhaven.

i never read that book. that's weird and dumb. because now he's Batman and there's no mention of it.

ButterscotchPimp said:

Efan said:

Dick Grayson became a cop in the Nightwing series, after he moved to the stupidly named Bludhaven.

i never read that book. that's weird and dumb. because now he's Batman and there's no mention of it.

I don't think DC cares about continuity. They're just trying to push product out the door.

Efan said:

ButterscotchPimp said:

i never read that book. that's weird and dumb. because now he's Batman and there's no mention of it.

I don't think DC cares about continuity. They're just trying to push product out the door.

they never have. they should be thanking ol' bats....without his titles their sales in 2010 would have been abyssmal.

JerseyKRS said:

Efan said:

I don't think DC cares about continuity. They're just trying to push product out the door.

they never have. they should be thanking ol' bats....without his titles their sales in 2010 would have been abyssmal.

Which means they should be thanking Grant Morrison and Tony Daniel.

Cerebus said:

JerseyKRS said:

they never have. they should be thanking ol' bats....without his titles their sales in 2010 would have been abyssmal.

Which means they should be thanking Grant Morrison and Tony Daniel.

Ick. I think Grant Morrison might be the most overrated comics writer ever.

Efan said:

Cerebus said:

Which means they should be thanking Grant Morrison and Tony Daniel.

Ick. I think Grant Morrison might be the most overrated comics writer ever.

I think that's a great conversation, because there's arguments for and against him (for instance, I love that he takes HUGE risks, even if some of them miss badly). But what you can't argue is that his name sells books. A lot of them!

Cerebus said:

Efan said:

Ick. I think Grant Morrison might be the most overrated comics writer ever.

I think that's a great conversation, because there's arguments for and against him (for instance, I love that he takes HUGE risks, even if some of them miss badly). But what you can't argue is that his name sells books. A lot of them!

It's true, and he definitely generates discussion. Honestly, though, I was never much into him, even way back in the Doom Patrol and Animal Man days. He just never hit me the right way.

If it's not too off-topic, could you tell me what killed Batman? Because I thought his dad killed him, but then he died in Final Crisis. Has it ever been explained?

Efan said:

Cerebus said:

I think that's a great conversation, because there's arguments for and against him (for instance, I love that he takes HUGE risks, even if some of them miss badly). But what you can't argue is that his name sells books. A lot of them!

It's true, and he definitely generates discussion. Honestly, though, I was never much into him, even way back in the Doom Patrol and Animal Man days. He just never hit me the right way.

If it's not too off-topic, could you tell me what killed Batman? Because I thought his dad killed him, but then he died in Final Crisis. Has it ever been explained?

OK (hitches up pants in an attempt to get serious about this), I'll give this a shot, but I'm probably WAY off as I don't read EVERY Batman book (although it is pretty close to the only super hero I read) and I was pretty put off by Final Crisis (giant crossovers and universe reboots are everything I hate about super hero books).

The Batman who dies in Final Crisis turned out to be a clone (one of the Batman clone army that Darkseid attempted to create), so the "real" Batman never died. The clone died from a blast from Darkseid. However, the "real" Batman (that is to say, Bruce Wayne) was sent back in time, also by Darkseid. His return is covered in "The Return Of Bruce Wayne", which connects to Morrison's "Batman & Robin" book.

I think that's the best I can do with that mess. Somebody else may be able to explain it better. I like most of the Batman books (and the peripheral character spinoffs), but I prefer my Batman a little smaller and less messy.

Cerebus said:

Efan said:

It's true, and he definitely generates discussion. Honestly, though, I was never much into him, even way back in the Doom Patrol and Animal Man days. He just never hit me the right way.

If it's not too off-topic, could you tell me what killed Batman? Because I thought his dad killed him, but then he died in Final Crisis. Has it ever been explained?

OK (hitches up pants in an attempt to get serious about this), I'll give this a shot, but I'm probably WAY off as I don't read EVERY Batman book (although it is pretty close to the only super hero I read) and I was pretty put off by Final Crisis (giant crossovers and universe reboots are everything I hate about super hero books).

The Batman who dies in Final Crisis turned out to be a clone (one of the Batman clone army that Darkseid attempted to create), so the "real" Batman never died. The clone died from a blast from Darkseid. However, the "real" Batman (that is to say, Bruce Wayne) was sent back in time, also by Darkseid. His return is covered in "The Return Of Bruce Wayne", which connects to Morrison's "Batman & Robin" book.

I think that's the best I can do with that mess. Somebody else may be able to explain it better. I like most of the Batman books (and the peripheral character spinoffs), but I prefer my Batman a little smaller and less messy.

Thanks! That helps. But what about Batman RIP? Wasn't that the one where his father killed him? (Was that a clone too?)

Strangely, I used to really like Doom Patrol. Tried to re-read some of those books recently and decided to sell them.

I dig The Invisibles quite a lot. That book is actually what got me into Morrison to begin with and I read it monthly when it was being published. It's much more my speed with the imperfect, broken and twisted characters. I also liked Kill Your Boyfrind, The Mystery Play, Sebastian O and The Filth. I definitely like his more quirky personal stuff more than his mainstream super hero work. Although I thought his All-Star Superman was pretty great for a super hero book. Anyway, I think my favorite thing from him ever is they tiny little three issue We3 (with art by the amazing Frank Quietly). Recommend checking that one out if you haven't.

Efan said:

Cerebus said:

OK (hitches up pants in an attempt to get serious about this), I'll give this a shot, but I'm probably WAY off as I don't read EVERY Batman book (although it is pretty close to the only super hero I read) and I was pretty put off by Final Crisis (giant crossovers and universe reboots are everything I hate about super hero books).

The Batman who dies in Final Crisis turned out to be a clone (one of the Batman clone army that Darkseid attempted to create), so the "real" Batman never died. The clone died from a blast from Darkseid. However, the "real" Batman (that is to say, Bruce Wayne) was sent back in time, also by Darkseid. His return is covered in "The Return Of Bruce Wayne", which connects to Morrison's "Batman & Robin" book.

I think that's the best I can do with that mess. Somebody else may be able to explain it better. I like most of the Batman books (and the peripheral character spinoffs), but I prefer my Batman a little smaller and less messy.

Thanks! That helps. But what about Batman RIP? Wasn't that the one where his father killed him? (Was that a clone too?)

Well, yes and no. I mean, he doesn't actually die. Ugh. See, I'm making my head hurt trying to figure this out. Flipping through books and reading Wiki pages as I go. I don't have all the spin-off RIP books (there was a lot of them, and as I mentioned, that annoys me). You know what... I can't explain it any better than this. Here's the Batman RIP Wiki plot summary...

In the beginning, Batman is pre-occupied with the recovery of Catwoman's heart, as the demented Hush had cut it out and left her relying on a complicated machine to keep her alive. Once Batman recovered her heart and stopped Hush's twisted plan to take over Bruce Wayne's life, Batman's life turns in a completely different direction.

[edit] The Batman of Zur-en-arrh

Bruce Wayne is dating Jezebel Jet, a model who is very influential in her home country. Jezebel discovers Bruce was Batman relatively early in their relationship, and the revelation makes the relationship easier for Bruce to handle. He lets Jezebel so deep into his life, that he even introduces her to the Batcave.

Jezebel tries to convince Batman that he is just living a life he has fabricated in his own head as a child to cope with the death of his parents. This suggestion begins to affect Batman's already strained psyche (he almost died and was forced to re-live very traumatic moments in his life as Batman just weeks earlier) and he passes out when Jezebel says aloud a word that was on all the Bat-computer's screens: Zur-En-Arrh. As he passes out, Dr. Hurt and minions of his diabolical club, the Black Glove, infiltrate the Batcave. They drug Batman, beat Alfred, and wreak havoc upon the cave.

When next we see Bruce Wayne, he is waking up in a pile of garbage with no memory of himself. He meets a man named Honor Jackson, who recognizes that Bruce has been drugged. As the two spend time together, working in shady dealings that Honor is involved in, Honor gives Bruce an old broken radio as a sentimental gift. After they part, Bruce finds out that Honor had died some time before Bruce met him.

[edit] The Black Glove is taking hold

With this information, Bruce seemes to snap. He makes himself a costume out of red, yellow, and purple rags, and begins referring to the broken radio as the "Bat-radia". He then calls himself "The Batman of Zur-En-Arrh," and begins taking advice from Bat-mite (written as "might" in this case, as the character is meant to be a voice of reason to Zur-En-Arrh, as in "the Bat might do this").

Batman and Bat-mite finally make it to Arkham, where Bat-mite says he cannot follow. Inside, Batman is confronted by Joker, who holds Jezebel Jet captive and kills her in front of him using the flowers that make up Joker's laughing gas. As Batman regains his sanity and loses consciousness from the same poisonous flowers, Jezebel appears to be okay, the Joker is smiling, Dr. Hurt is there, and everyone is asking Batman: "Now do you get it?"

It is revealed that Jezebel Jet has been a part of the Black Glove all along. The word Zur-en-Arrh was written all over the city by Hurt as a subliminal trigger to be used when the time was right to break Batman's mind. While the now mentally stable Batman escapes the shallow grave the Black Glove put him in, Joker points out that no one has investigated Batman's "bat-radio." When they do, they activate a transmitter that brings Nightwing, Robin, Damian, and the League of Assassins right to them. Batman hunts down Hurt, who tries to convince Bruce that he is his father, but Batman believes him to be Mangrove Pierce, an actor who has once been his father's double. As Hurt tries to escape, Batman infiltrates his escaping helicopter, causing it to crash in a blazing explosion.

Batman #683 reveals that Batman survives the explosion and returns to the Batcave to examine the gathered evidence on the Black Glove. However, the events of Final Crisis draw his attention elsewhere. The events between R.I.P. and Final Crisis are covered in greater detail in Batman #701 and #702, which are presented as a missing chapter of R.I.P.

Cerebus said:

Efan said:

Thanks! That helps. But what about Batman RIP? Wasn't that the one where his father killed him? (Was that a clone too?)

Well, yes and no. I mean, he doesn't actually die. Ugh. See, I'm making my head hurt trying to figure this out. Flipping through books and reading Wiki pages as I go. I don't have all the spin-off RIP books (there was a lot of them, and as I mentioned, that annoys me). You know what... I can't explain it any better than this. Here's the Batman RIP Wiki plot summary...

In the beginning, Batman is pre-occupied with the recovery of Catwoman's heart, as the demented Hush had cut it out and left her relying on a complicated machine to keep her alive. Once Batman recovered her heart and stopped Hush's twisted plan to take over Bruce Wayne's life, Batman's life turns in a completely different direction.

[edit] The Batman of Zur-en-arrh

Bruce Wayne is dating Jezebel Jet, a model who is very influential in her home country. Jezebel discovers Bruce was Batman relatively early in their relationship, and the revelation makes the relationship easier for Bruce to handle. He lets Jezebel so deep into his life, that he even introduces her to the Batcave.

Jezebel tries to convince Batman that he is just living a life he has fabricated in his own head as a child to cope with the death of his parents. This suggestion begins to affect Batman's already strained psyche (he almost died and was forced to re-live very traumatic moments in his life as Batman just weeks earlier) and he passes out when Jezebel says aloud a word that was on all the Bat-computer's screens: Zur-En-Arrh. As he passes out, Dr. Hurt and minions of his diabolical club, the Black Glove, infiltrate the Batcave. They drug Batman, beat Alfred, and wreak havoc upon the cave.

When next we see Bruce Wayne, he is waking up in a pile of garbage with no memory of himself. He meets a man named Honor Jackson, who recognizes that Bruce has been drugged. As the two spend time together, working in shady dealings that Honor is involved in, Honor gives Bruce an old broken radio as a sentimental gift. After they part, Bruce finds out that Honor had died some time before Bruce met him.

[edit] The Black Glove is taking hold

With this information, Bruce seemes to snap. He makes himself a costume out of red, yellow, and purple rags, and begins referring to the broken radio as the "Bat-radia". He then calls himself "The Batman of Zur-En-Arrh," and begins taking advice from Bat-mite (written as "might" in this case, as the character is meant to be a voice of reason to Zur-En-Arrh, as in "the Bat might do this").

Batman and Bat-mite finally make it to Arkham, where Bat-mite says he cannot follow. Inside, Batman is confronted by Joker, who holds Jezebel Jet captive and kills her in front of him using the flowers that make up Joker's laughing gas. As Batman regains his sanity and loses consciousness from the same poisonous flowers, Jezebel appears to be okay, the Joker is smiling, Dr. Hurt is there, and everyone is asking Batman: "Now do you get it?"

It is revealed that Jezebel Jet has been a part of the Black Glove all along. The word Zur-en-Arrh was written all over the city by Hurt as a subliminal trigger to be used when the time was right to break Batman's mind. While the now mentally stable Batman escapes the shallow grave the Black Glove put him in, Joker points out that no one has investigated Batman's "bat-radio." When they do, they activate a transmitter that brings Nightwing, Robin, Damian, and the League of Assassins right to them. Batman hunts down Hurt, who tries to convince Bruce that he is his father, but Batman believes him to be Mangrove Pierce, an actor who has once been his father's double. As Hurt tries to escape, Batman infiltrates his escaping helicopter, causing it to crash in a blazing explosion.

Batman #683 reveals that Batman survives the explosion and returns to the Batcave to examine the gathered evidence on the Black Glove. However, the events of Final Crisis draw his attention elsewhere. The events between R.I.P. and Final Crisis are covered in greater detail in Batman #701 and #702, which are presented as a missing chapter of R.I.P.

Thanks! (And sorry! I didn't mean to prompt you to do so much work. I appreciate it, though!)

Efan said:

Thanks! (And sorry! I didn't mean to prompt you to do so much work. I appreciate it, though!)

Don't mind at all! Much rather geek out about comic books than a lot of other weirdness that makes it to four or five pages around here. I've thought about starting comic book threads more than once. But whenever I see people commenting about them they're usually super hero books and that's just not my thing. Maybe I should start a "What comic books do you read?" thread. I'll search and see if there's been one of those recently.

Cerebus said:

Efan said:

Thanks! (And sorry! I didn't mean to prompt you to do so much work. I appreciate it, though!)

Don't mind at all! Much rather geek out about comic books than a lot of other weirdness that makes it to four or five pages around here. I've thought about starting comic book threads more than once. But whenever I see people commenting about them they're usually super hero books and that's just not my thing. Maybe I should start a "What comic books do you read?" thread. I'll search and see if there's been one of those recently.

I've thought the same thing! I would love to talk more about them. I read a lot more graphic novels these days than superhero stuff. I would love to have a thread to discuss them.

omg, grant's animal man is totally awesome.

Mmmkay, so we definitely need a comic book/graphic novel thread.

Cerebus said:

Mmmkay, so we definitely need a comic book/graphic novel thread.

I'd appreciate that. Thinking of splashing out on a graphic novel and would like to know what's cool. Been a while for me, was into my 2001 and Crisis as a kid (loved Secret Wars and some other superhero stuff too), but only ever read The Watchmen in the graphic novels category, so am a relative newbie.

Oh, and the Cape sucks ass.

purplemookiebut said:

well she did play a tramatized slow person on firefly....

oh nathan fillion!! drool. i had a sex dream with him once...love him!!!

And she was not playing with a full deck on The 4400