ZombieKitten said:

I'm pretty sure I already have - it was not-confirmed by him, but I have suspicions he's married with kids now, but that doesn't mean he wasn't into boys too.

A man propositioned me in a bar once, asking if I would like to partake in a threesome. He was not attractive to me, but I felt like messing with him (he deserved it!!! ) so I said "Sure! as long as you let me pick the other guy!" and he hastily excused himself.

I have too. I had suspicions myself. It's just something you feel, at least I do. He was all macho and when going out, all of his former girlfriends were like, girl, you hit the jackpot, he's soooo good. That made me soooo He was always watching movies with guys dressed up as girls or the other way around, I don't know, my gaydar went off big time and then one time in his bedroom he hit me with his elbow in my face, "accidentally" and didn't even say sorry and I was like, this guy hates women, really. Kissed like crap too and then one night we went out and he asked me if I liked Tom Cruise... I felt it coming.. he did, asked if I was bi, sometimes he was into men and sometimes he went to a gaybar. He was imo a sneaky person, dishonest, dangerous, someone who would give you some disease and didn't even care about it. I left immediately after that because I felt he had no love at all for women. That's when I think, just choose to be gay and don't make any effort towards women. Really don't understand all these girlfriends he had, so not sympathetic.

ScarletScandal said:

vainandy said:

We used to debate this often together. I think she may believe that there is a difference in bisexual men and trade men. I see them as one in the same except trade is just a type of bisexual man. Trade is a type of bisexual man who lives in denial and refuses to accept that he's anything other than "straight". He thinks as long as he's not the one doing the sucking or getting fucked that he's straight. He also has no problem bashing and robbing gay men because in his mind, they are beneath him because he's "straight". A lot of them these days, when they get caught red handed in the middle of a homosexual sex act such as getting his dick sucked by another man, have resorted to justifying it as being "a straight man experimenting". Honey, a straight man don't experiment letting other men suck their dick just because an orgasm feels the same no matter who's giving it. No way. If he's going to experience the pleasure we can give him, I'm going to see to it that he faces the same hate and discrimination that we face because he deserves it since he's one of the ones dishing out the hate and discrimination himself.

From what I've seen and experienced with many men who actually call themselves bisexual, is that a lot of them are really full fledged queens who have no desire for a woman whatsoever but call themselves bisexual hoping they won't catch as much hell from the homophobic world as they would catch if they called themselves full fledged gay. Well, in the homophobic world, when it comes to gay or bisexual men, does not care if you are a little gay or a lot gay. They hate you just the same. The homophobic world is only more tolerant of bisexual women moreso than gay women because those homophobic perverts think they might stand a chance at sleeping with them.

FOR REAL REAL!!!

Oh! I've also met the ones that do EVERYTHING but kiss...because it's "gay"

In fact, I hooked up with a guy this past summer, and had me do damn near everything else to him, but when I went up to kiss him, he was like "I don't kiss guys"

I've been through the same thing so many times I can't even count them. They are sooooo in denial to themselves that it's just fucking rediculous.

On the rare occassions that I have trade these days, I simply tell them "don't spoil it by talking" to let them know that all they are to me is a dick for the moment and I think even less of them than they think of me. I turn the tables on them as soon as we meet because if anybody's going to be the one looking down on someone, it's going to be me. I don't even give the situation a chance to be the other way around anymore.

I'm not that way with gay or openly bisexual men but when it comes to trade, I've grown to hate them.

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Why wouldn't I?

Maybe it's because I'm bi myself but I don't understand why people seem to think we are greedy, confused, whores or any combination thereof. When I'm with someone, I am with that someone, not both sexes at the same time.

Every time this topic comes up on this site, it makes me sad. People can be so incredibly closedminded.

ScarletScandal said:

vainandy said:

That makes no sense. I would have told him...."OK, you're bi, which means you like both genders, so what's the problem? There are only two genders so what the hell do I look like to you....some type of unknown third gender or something?".

That's too much gay math for me.

"gay math"

Vendetta1 said:

Why wouldn't I?

Maybe it's because I'm bi myself but I don't understand why people seem to think we are greedy, confused, whores or any combination thereof. When I'm with someone, I am with that someone, not both sexes at the same time.

Every time this topic comes up on this site, it makes me sad. People can be so incredibly closedminded.

I didn't mean it like that.

I've just had my own issues, so I was saying that I don't need any other "variables".

I am in NO WAY putting anyone down for who they are.

vainandy said:

ScarletScandal said:

FOR REAL REAL!!!

Oh! I've also met the ones that do EVERYTHING but kiss...because it's "gay"

In fact, I hooked up with a guy this past summer, and had me do damn near everything else to him, but when I went up to kiss him, he was like "I don't kiss guys"

I've been through the same thing so many times I can't even count them. They are sooooo in denial to themselves that it's just fucking rediculous.

On the rare occassions that I have trade these days, I simply tell them "don't spoil it by talking" to let them know that all they are to me is a dick for the moment and I think even less of them than they think of me. I turn the tables on them as soon as we meet because if anybody's going to be the one looking down on someone, it's going to be me. I don't even give the situation a chance to be the other way around anymore.

I'm not that way with gay or openly bisexual men but when it comes to trade, I've grown to hate them.

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[Edited 12/29/10 12:07pm]

They're some fucked up bitches.

PositivityNYC said:

ZombieKitten said:

I'm pretty sure I already have - it was not-confirmed by him, but I have suspicions he's married with kids now, but that doesn't mean he wasn't into boys too.

A man propositioned me in a bar once, asking if I would like to partake in a threesome. He was not attractive to me, but I felt like messing with him (he deserved it!!! ) so I said "Sure! as long as you let me pick the other guy!" and he hastily excused himself.

an ex of mine would sometimes ask if I'd do a threesome; him, me & another girl (he had had one once with a friend and her sister [which I thought was just gross... sex while a sibling watches/helps out??])... and I'd always say no....

one day I decided to mess with him and I said "Sure..."

he got all

then I said, "and next time, it's me, you and a guy of my choosing...."

him:

he never asked again..

he was such a phobe... -- lesbians were ok [he had that stupid porn fantasy stuck in his head], but gay guys?? [soooo glad that one ended! ]

[Edited 12/29/10 8:18am]

guys are such guys

vainandy said:

ZombieKitten said:

I'm pretty sure I already have - it was not-confirmed by him, but I have suspicions he's married with kids now, but that doesn't mean he wasn't into boys too.

A man propositioned me in a bar once, asking if I would like to partake in a threesome. He was not attractive to me, but I felt like messing with him (he deserved it!!! ) so I said "Sure! as long as you let me pick the other guy!" and he hastily excused himself.

Alll-Riiiiiight dammitt!!!!! And the fact that he wants to be with you and another woman but he won't be with you and another man, means he thinks y'all are beneath him and that he's better than y'all. Knock that fucker down off of that pedastol he thinks he's on.

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his wife was probably working the other end of the bar

imagine if she'd been hot, I might have agreed until I saw the guy, then I'd have run to the hills

ZombieKitten said:

PositivityNYC said:

an ex of mine would sometimes ask if I'd do a threesome; him, me & another girl (he had had one once with a friend and her sister [which I thought was just gross... sex while a sibling watches/helps out??])... and I'd always say no....

one day I decided to mess with him and I said "Sure..."

he got all

then I said, "and next time, it's me, you and a guy of my choosing...."

him:

he never asked again..

he was such a phobe... -- lesbians were ok [he had that stupid porn fantasy stuck in his head], but gay guys?? [soooo glad that one ended! ]

[Edited 12/29/10 8:18am]

guys are such guys

yeah.. some of them can be...

PositivityNYC said:

ZombieKitten said:

guys are such guys

yeah.. some of them can be...

well, the ones who don't fit that blokey stereotype are the ones I'm into, honorary nice ladies

PunkMistress said:

"gay math"

lol

i've been saying that forever. Oh man...I found a NEW gender at work...

"Translesbian"

Deadflow3r said:

O.K. we all know that guys just love it when a woman is bisexual and is willing to do it with another girl while they watch. Many a man has expressed envy for JerseyKRS purrfect marriage. However, what if the shoe was on the other foot. What if the woman is straight and the man is bi and he wants her to watch him get off with another man? Would you do it ? Would you enjoy it?

I wouldn't be interested in watching two men fuck, there's nothing erotic about it. Really, I'm not interested in watching anyone fuck and I'm not invovled.

'Would you date a bisexual man?' I would tend to think, not. Tho' I've not personally been faced with this situation either.

Vainandy and ScarletScandal make good points: It's been my experience that women tend to find out a man is 'bi-sexual' after the fact; in other words this information has been discovered, not vonlunteered. Trust and honesty are a must in any relationship, acts of subterfuge aren't healthy for all invovled. That's not to say all bi-sexual people are confused either. . . .

To speak to Chocolate1's point, Ivy many people irrespective of sexual preference speak of not wanting to deal with another level in the dating "game". So, people make lines of demarcantion on what they can handle or not. Men have told they don't date beautiful women because they fear they'll have to constantly compete to "keep" her, get "played", or eventually be hurt. Jimmy Soul's song, "Never Make a Pretty Woman Your Wife". I've known lesbians who aren't interested in being some straight woman's "girl toy" nor feeding their curiosity..... single or married. I'm not sure it's always a case of being narrow minded but people dealing with insecurities and trying to protect their hearts. Damn, it's ruff out there and relationships can be complex.

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ZombieKitten said:

PositivityNYC said:

an ex of mine would sometimes ask if I'd do a threesome; him, me & another girl (he had had one once with a friend and her sister [which I thought was just gross... sex while a sibling watches/helps out??])... and I'd always say no....

one day I decided to mess with him and I said "Sure..."

he got all

then I said, "and next time, it's me, you and a guy of my choosing...."

him:

he never asked again..

he was such a phobe... -- lesbians were ok [he had that stupid porn fantasy stuck in his head], but gay guys?? [soooo glad that one ended! ]

[Edited 12/29/10 8:18am]

guys are such guys

you LOVE it, baby!

The bi women I have known have been just as wild and untrustworthy as the bi men or straight men and straight women... or just as honorable.

Giving bi-men a prejudice based on your personal experience is just that... being prejudiced. Same as someone hating on a race because that someone had a member of a that race give them a bad experience.

It doesn't matter what you say. If you are judging a category of culture or being as a "type" you are prejudiced!

That's how it is. It doesn't matter if you are a minority, gay, handicapped, or a WASP. You are still being prejudiced.

ufoclub said:

The bi women I have known have been just as wild and untrustworthy as the bi men or straight men and straight women... or just as honorable.

Giving bi-men a prejudice based on your personal experience is just that... being prejudiced. Same as someone hating on a race because that someone had a member of a that race give them a bad experience.

It doesn't matter what you say. If you are judging a category of culture or being as a "type" you are prejudiced!

That's how it is. It doesn't matter if you are a minority, gay, handicapped, or a WASP. You are still being prejudiced.

I was WAITING for someone to say this. I still don't care. They can ALL go fuck their mommas.

and daddies.

vainandy said:

ScarletScandal said:

where's Meow85? Back in the day, she and I would go for blows over this very topic!

We used to debate this often together. I think she may believe that there is a difference in bisexual men and trade men. I see them as one in the same except trade is just a type of bisexual man. Trade is a type of bisexual man who lives in denial and refuses to accept that he's anything other than "straight". He thinks as long as he's not the one doing the sucking or getting fucked that he's straight. He also has no problem bashing and robbing gay men because in his mind, they are beneath him because he's "straight". A lot of them these days, when they get caught red handed in the middle of a homosexual sex act such as getting his dick sucked by another man, have resorted to justifying it as being "a straight man experimenting". Honey, a straight man don't experiment letting other men suck their dick just because an orgasm feels the same no matter who's giving it. No way. If he's going to experience the pleasure we can give him, I'm going to see to it that he faces the same hate and discrimination that we face because he deserves it since he's one of the ones dishing out the hate and discrimination himself.

From what I've seen and experienced with many men who actually call themselves bisexual, is that a lot of them are really full fledged queens who have no desire for a woman whatsoever but call themselves bisexual hoping they won't catch as much hell from the homophobic world as they would catch if they called themselves full fledged gay. Well, in the homophobic world, when it comes to gay or bisexual men, does not care if you are a little gay or a lot gay. They hate you just the same. The homophobic world is only more tolerant of bisexual women moreso than gay women because those homophobic perverts think they might stand a chance at sleeping with them.

Got dayum, son, you are preaching it today - cutting right through the bullshit. And I lol at these cats(on the DL) who think they're only a 'little bit gay'. Mfer please, that's like being a 'little bit pregnant'. Nothing wrong with being gay, so own up to it and stop deluding youself.

Sometimes the vehemence that I see some self proclaimed gay men condemn or doubt self proclaimed bi men actually seems suspect of the gay men being ashamed or fearful of the possibility of a bi factor in many men... even themselves!

But, whatever, if you want a long term relationship you have to choose wisely for yourself, settle, and make it work.

ufoclub said:

The bi women I have known have been just as wild and untrustworthy as the bi men or straight men and straight women... or just as honorable.

Giving bi-men a prejudice based on your personal experience is just that... being prejudiced. Same as someone hating on a race because that someone had a member of a that race give them a bad experience.

It doesn't matter what you say. If you are judging a category of culture or being as a "type" you are prejudiced!

That's how it is. It doesn't matter if you are a minority, gay, handicapped, or a WASP. You are still being prejudiced.

And as I have explained before, I have no problem with bisexual men who will at least admit to themselves that they are bisexual. They don't have to admit it to the world if they don't want to but at least admit it to the gay man they are letting perform a homosexual act on them and to themselves. Those bastards actually tell themselves and try to make themselves believe they are straight in their own mind. And the worst part about it is, they are the biggest gay bashers in the world. If they are with their other so-called "straight" friends, they will bash us either verbally or physically. Many of them will even try to rob us after they sleep with us because in their mind, they are "straight" and we "owe them" if we want to be with a "straight" man. As if it were actually possible for us to be with a straight man. Bullshit. If a man is with us, he's certainly not straight.

These men have been called "trade" for ages and most recently called "downlow". They are bisexual men, but they are a type of bisexual man. Just like there are all types of black, white, hispanic, asian, or any other type of people. Now, considering what I've said they do, why would I not hate them? Even if they didn't bash, rob, or bring physical violence to me, I be damned if a motherfucker is going to engage in the homosexual pleasure that I can give him and then classify himself not only to the world, but in his own damn mind, as not bisexual but "straight", so he doesn't have to even catch the smallest fraction of hate and discrimination that I catch. Hell naw! If I were to put up with their bullshit, I would be as stupid as a black woman that would willingly sleep with a Ku Klux Klan member. A person with any pride and self respect is not going to put up with that shit. Those bastards can suck a golf ball out of my ass through a coffee stirrer straw for all I care.

uPtoWnNY said:

vainandy said:

We used to debate this often together. I think she may believe that there is a difference in bisexual men and trade men. I see them as one in the same except trade is just a type of bisexual man. Trade is a type of bisexual man who lives in denial and refuses to accept that he's anything other than "straight". He thinks as long as he's not the one doing the sucking or getting fucked that he's straight. He also has no problem bashing and robbing gay men because in his mind, they are beneath him because he's "straight". A lot of them these days, when they get caught red handed in the middle of a homosexual sex act such as getting his dick sucked by another man, have resorted to justifying it as being "a straight man experimenting". Honey, a straight man don't experiment letting other men suck their dick just because an orgasm feels the same no matter who's giving it. No way. If he's going to experience the pleasure we can give him, I'm going to see to it that he faces the same hate and discrimination that we face because he deserves it since he's one of the ones dishing out the hate and discrimination himself.

From what I've seen and experienced with many men who actually call themselves bisexual, is that a lot of them are really full fledged queens who have no desire for a woman whatsoever but call themselves bisexual hoping they won't catch as much hell from the homophobic world as they would catch if they called themselves full fledged gay. Well, in the homophobic world, when it comes to gay or bisexual men, does not care if you are a little gay or a lot gay. They hate you just the same. The homophobic world is only more tolerant of bisexual women moreso than gay women because those homophobic perverts think they might stand a chance at sleeping with them.

Got dayum, son, you are preaching it today - cutting right through the bullshit. And I lol at these cats(on the DL) who think they're only a 'little bit gay'. Mfer please, that's like being a 'little bit pregnant'. Nothing wrong with being gay, so own up to it and stop deluding youself.

You damn right. They have been a thorn in my ass since I first came out in 1990. I never dreamed such masculine men could be available to us at the time. What I didn't know at the time was they were the biggest pain in the ass.

errr hELL nawwwww

CarrieMpls said:

Dating a bisexual man is one thing, dating a man who wants you to watch him “get off” with another man is another thing entirely.

If I were single and met a man I was attracted to, his being bisexual would not put him out of the running for a date.

As for the other part, I would not date any man who wants to sleep with other people (men or women), let alone have me be present to watch.

ScarletScandal said:

PunkMistress said:

"gay math"

lol

i've been saying that forever. Oh man...I found a NEW gender at work...

"Translesbian"

man became female, but only dates women... ?

NO

PositivityNYC said:

ScarletScandal said:

lol

i've been saying that forever. Oh man...I found a NEW gender at work...

"Translesbian"

man became female, but only dates women... ?

From my understanding, it's a man who transitioned to a woman, but still has a penis and fucks chicks, but not as a man, but as a...woman?

So what does that make the person GETTING fucked

you have to give everyone a chance. i personally believe. so why not? i mean if you have bad experiences with a certain set of people then why are you going to blindly malign the entire community? it does not make sense, perhaps, i say this because i am an idealist, and i believe in giving people a fair trial

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ScarletScandal said:

PositivityNYC said:

man became female, but only dates women... ?

From my understanding, it's a man who transitioned to a woman, but still has a penis and fucks chicks, but not as a man, but as a...woman?

So what does that make the person GETTING fucked

a) wow..

b)

Sadly, this year i had a fling with a bisexual guy. Not all our bad of course my experience was horrid. Ok i was a good boy till i was 19 and never dated or came out of the closet till i dated my best friend Russell a day before my 18th birthday.

Me & Russell broke up and i was really hurt i was in love we had dated for quite awhile, we made up and he even watched my apartment while i went to my town in Texas a few day's. I was still very hurt and sensitive form the break up, and as a guy who was a jock in high school people think i don't have feelings or cry or get emotional We are all human. And i met up with a friend who i always kind of had a crush on who apparently had a ''bi-sexual'' phase in the summer. And yeah lol, that interested me he was a swimmer good looking guy, sweet and i had known him since we where 14.

We went with friend's to the movies, and i was still cluster fucked in my mind from my break up i finally just said screw it and asked him if he wanted to have some fun , I never did anything like this one night stand's or anything.

And i wasn't going to but we got to my house i put on a playlist of Marvin Gaye & Tears For fears[Hey got to have good music ] And he just took his pants off and wanted me to do him then and there

OI was foolish and i did.... afterwards he started talking about all these girl's he wanted to bang? and soon after that he left.

After all this crap he slept with one of my female friend's, and is trying to convince everyone he is straight INCLUDING ME

Im not one to say ow that guy is gay or w/e i usually do not care. But when we have actually done stuff come on now?

He threatened to beat my friend Shalena with a wine bottle because she asked if he was gay. And anytime something gay related come's up he flips out. Now he's also a pothead and on drugs. He is a mess now, and he used to be a sweet kid. He started having sex with random chicks and they got him hooked on w/e s//t he is hooked on now.

It's all one big twisted mess, and i know there all ton's of bisexual men who are not like that at all. but it was a bad experience and also my only one night stand. Cause i just didn't feel right... i'm more of a romantic and hook up's just aren't my thing.

I just hope he betters himself soon...

CarrieMpls said:

Dating a bisexual man is one thing, dating a man who wants you to watch him “get off” with another man is another thing entirely.

If I were single and met a man I was attracted to, his being bisexual would not put him out of the running for a date.

As for the other part, I would not date any man who wants to sleep with other people (men or women), let alone have me be present to watch.

Agree with CarrieMpls.

Also, I don't have a problem with anyone's sexuality as long as they respect mine's.

In fact, I'd rather hang-out with a bisexual or gay male, because they're going to let you know the deal-straight-up. I guess the term is "fag-hag".