MEMO: Evander Holyfield out-boxed Mike Tyson during Olympic game try-outs. Evander knew many years BEFORE James "Buster" Douglas & Lennox Lewis that Mike can be defeated.
Holyfield was a tough mofo no doubt, the same way he bullied Mike in 96 I'm sure he would of did the same thing in 91 when the original fight was supposed to take place.
MEMO: Evander Holyfield out-boxed Mike Tyson during Olympic game try-outs. Evander knew many years BEFORE James "Buster" Douglas & Lennox Lewis that Mike can be defeated.
Memo: Holyfield headbutted Tyson 2 Victory..............he did not box Mike.
MEMO: Evander Holyfield out-boxed Mike Tyson during Olympic game try-outs. Evander knew many years BEFORE James "Buster" Douglas & Lennox Lewis that Mike can be defeated.
Memo: Holyfield headbutted Tyson 2 Victory..............he did not box Mike.
I remember seeing that '96 fight and thinking "why is Tyson bleeding like that?" THEN I remembered, "with that big ass head Holyfield got, no wonder".
MEMO: Evander Holyfield out-boxed Mike Tyson during Olympic game try-outs. Evander knew many years BEFORE James "Buster" Douglas & Lennox Lewis that Mike can be defeated.
Memo: Holyfield headbutted Tyson 2 Victory..............he did not box Mike.
Did Evander headbutted Mike in that controversial rematch, which lead to Mike to bite Evander's ear later on?!? Yes, absolutely. And both fighters should have been slap with double DQs plus the world heavyweight title belts should have been vacanted the next day.
Did Evander headbutted Mike in their first dream match before THAT^?!? Hell, no. Evander beat Mike fair and square at that time.
Memo: Holyfield headbutted Tyson 2 Victory..............he did not box Mike.
Did Evander headbutted Mike in that controversial rematch, which lead to Mike to bite Evander's ear later on?!? Yes, absolutely. And both fighters should have been slap with double DQs plus the world heavyweight title belts should have been vacanted the next day.
Did Evander headbutted Mike in their first dream match before THAT^?!? Hell, no. Evander beat Mike fair and square at that time.
Did Evander headbutted Mike in that controversial rematch, which lead to Mike to bite Evander's ear later on?!? Yes, absolutely. And both fighters should have been slap with double DQs plus the world heavyweight title belts should have been vacanted the next day.
Did Evander headbutted Mike in their first dream match before THAT^?!? Hell, no. Evander beat Mike fair and square at that time.
Exactly how do u think Mike's eye got cut?
You know what? I'm wrong. There was an accidential headbutt call in Round 6.
Evander's head is rather um large and it is quite possible that those headbutts were all accidental. Plus he's taller than Mike and when you're trying to lean in and get a good hit on your opponent or even if you're trying to block their hit before respondind with a body shot...it's easy to headbutt someone.
Mike was wrong for biting Evander. I could not support that shit no how. Mike must have a really powerful bite to have gotten that chunk off while wearing his mouthguard.
I know he was a great boxer......but that shit with the ears pissed me off and totally crossed the line. I dont think somebody who would bite off pieces from another boxer should be honored by the sport.
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If it's more than one (like what happened in the infamous rematch), then it's definitely on purpose. No one can accidently headbutt a person more than once. They don't even do that foolishness in American football or MMA.
I think Evander notice during the review of his first fight that his (accidental) headbutt was the cause for Mike's cut on top of his eye, therefore decided to recreate that accident as a dirty game tactic for their rematch.
If it's more than one (like what happened in the infamous rematch), then it's definitely on purpose. No one can accidently headbutt a person more than once. They don't even do that foolishness in American football or MMA.
I think Evander notice during the review of his first fight that his (accidental) headbutt was the cause for Mike's cut on top of his eye, therefore decided to recreate that accident as a dirty game tactic for their rematch.
Now he was wrong for what he did in that rematch but even Mike showed remorse for what he did afterwards. He admitted he acted "very stupid".
It's not like Mike didn't know that Holyfield uses his head as a weapon during fights, he shouldn't have been close enough to allow Holyfield to headbutt him, but Mike knew being "In The Pocket" was his only shot at winning the fight. If he backed up and tried to actually "Box" Holyfield he would of gotten KO'D three rounds sooner.
Mike would've shut him up quick. I didn't say Mike woulda knocked him out of the ring in 2 minutes but boxing him wouldn't have worked. Ali would've had to do like Holyfield did-- to an older Tyson mind you. Hold him and head-butt him until he got tired. That ain't boxing, that's surviving (and cheating). The problem is that a young Tyson would knock you out before that could work. All Mike did was wait for an opening and when he was fast it didn't take much. Like I said, it was mostly the hunger that fueled him. You could only keep him at bay with jabs and talking for so long.
People like to compare Mike to Joe Frazier because of their size and the way they came straight at you. However, Joe wasn't as quick and although he was powerful he wasn't knocking fools out like Mike. There's a reason those dudes were afraid before they got in the ring.
We'll never know who would've won and I have to admit that Prime Ali was great to watch. With his speed, footwork, the headgames, and conditioning if anybody could've beat that Mike it would've been Ali in his prime. Then again, it probably would've been some unknown dude that just had his number ala Buster Douglas. Who knows?
Yes a great jab and great footwork would of kept a Prime Tyson at bay, especially if it's coming from GOAT. If James "Quick" Tillis, James "Bonecrusher" Smith, and Tony Tubbs can go 12 rounds and have some success with keeping Prime Tyson at bay with that style then Prime Ali not only has success with it but straight up WHIPS him with it. Prime ALi made a living on bustin' guys up, stickin' and movin', when he won the title against his era's Tyson, Charles "Sonny" Liston, this style worked to perfection. Keep in mind Sonny like Mike had one punch KO power, he was just three inches taller and was coming off two first round KO'S of the great Floyd Patterson when Ali boxed his ears off the first time then straight up KO'd him in the next fight.
Plus you can't dismiss Ali's trash talkin' either, don't forget that Mike was and still is a fragile human being, I think Ali uses that to his advantage and get's in his head before they touch the ring.
What Holyfiled did was bullied the bully, just like Holyfiled like to foul with his head Tyson like to foul with his elbows. They were both dirty Holyfield was just more successful with his tatic then Mike was.
A young Mike, with D'Amato in his corner and none of the trappings of fame and wealth, would not have been as easy to beat as the later versions. I don't see Ali surviving that onslaught without cheating a bit. I'm talking about the brief time when Mike would go to the body, slip punches, and drill you with those devastating uppercuts. When he started believing his own hype he would only go for the knockout-- no body work, no combos. Maybe Ali would've found a way to beat him but like I said, I don't see it.
We all know Holyfield cheated. A taller man should not be headbutting a shorter one even by accident. Mike just couldn't adapt, although there were moments it looked like he could've had Evander. Evander's camp knew Mike was too weak in the head and all they had to do is frustrate him for a few rounds and he would tire and lose his focus. I don't necessarily blame Holyfield for doing that. As a fighter you need to gain an edge and if the ref isn't going to stop you, keep doing what works.
The funny thing is that the biting of the ears made me feel sadder for Mike than Evander. He became a joke after that. I didn't feel particularly bad for Evander because he was holding Mike anyway. If he were boxing him that couldn't have happened. I suppose Mike ultimately fit the bully mode because he fought like a wounded kid picking on people but without the heart of a true fighter. I don't buy that Evander bullied the bully though. He didn't gain the advantage until he headbutted Mike. It's not like he beat Mike at his own game.
We all know Holyfield cheated. A taller man should not be headbutting a shorter one even by accident. Mike just couldn't adapt, although there were moments it looked like he could've had Evander. Evander's camp knew Mike was too weak in the head and all they had to do is frustrate him for a few rounds and he would tire and lose his focus. I don't necessarily blame Holyfield for doing that. As a fighter you need to gain an edge and if the ref isn't going to stop you, keep doing what works.
A young Mike, with D'Amato in his corner and none of the trappings of fame and wealth, would not have been as easy to beat as the later versions. I don't see Ali surviving that onslaught without cheating a bit. I'm talking about the brief time when Mike would go to the body, slip punches, and drill you with those devastating uppercuts. When he started believing his own hype he would only go for the knockout-- no body work, no combos. Maybe Ali would've found a way to beat him but like I said, I don't see it.
We all know Holyfield cheated. A taller man should not be headbutting a shorter one even by accident. Mike just couldn't adapt, although there were moments it looked like he could've had Evander. Evander's camp knew Mike was too weak in the head and all they had to do is frustrate him for a few rounds and he would tire and lose his focus. I don't necessarily blame Holyfield for doing that. As a fighter you need to gain an edge and if the ref isn't going to stop you, keep doing what works.
The funny thing is that the biting of the ears made me feel sadder for Mike than Evander. He became a joke after that. I didn't feel particularly bad for Evander because he was holding Mike anyway. If he were boxing him that couldn't have happened. I suppose Mike ultimately fit the bully mode because he fought like a wounded kid picking on people but without the heart of a true fighter. I don't buy that Evander bullied the bully though. He didn't gain the advantage until he headbutted Mike. It's not like he beat Mike at his own game.
I know the Mike your talkin' about, the one that had Kevin Rooney as his trainer. That's why I keep saying Prime Tyson, the 1984 - 1988 version, still can't beat Prime Ali, 1963 - 1967 version. That Ali was too skilled, he wouldn't let Tyson maul him like he did those guys during his prime years. Ali would dance around ring, keep Tyson at the end of his jab and when Tyson would eventually try his bullrush then he get's caught with the uppercut, hooks etc...... Tyson would eat so many punches it would take that fight outta him.
Post jail Tyson really had no game, he was shot a shot fighter who really had no chance against Holyfield. I put all the blame on Mike and his team for not preparing for Holyfiled properly, they already knew what Holyfield was gonna do and still allowed him to do it. Like I wrote a few post's up Tyson and his team knew that fighting Evander in the pocket was they're only shot at winning, if he fought Evander at a distance he get's KO'D two or three rounds earlier.
yeah, but I can't help but feel it had the wrong outcome. Oh well, history stands
You want to talk about a fight with the wrong outcome, what does everyone think about Mike's only career match against Lennox Lewis?!?
It was the right outcome. Lennox kicked Mike's ass. He's a great and underestimated fighter. The argument was always that Mike wasn't at his best when that fight happened but we always say that about the loser.
You want to talk about a fight with the wrong outcome, what does everyone think about Mike's only career match against Lennox Lewis?!?
It was the right outcome. Lennox kicked Mike's ass. He's a great and underestimated fighter. The argument was always that Mike wasn't at his best when that fight happened but we always say that about the loser.
THAT'S why I wonder if it was the wrong outcome.
First of all, I was never a fan of Lennox Lewis. His boxing skills were just too conservative for a super heavyweight. And I was also pissed that Lennox screw Vitali Klitschko out of a possible rematch by retiring from boxing.
But I must be honest that Lennox and his trainer had the perfect game plan against Mike. They knew that Mike was expect Lennox to come to this match and make it an emotional all-out brawl. To his credit, Lennox did the exact opposite by fighting a very moderate fight and he made Mike paid for not taking him seriously.
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And both fighters should have been slap with double DQs plus the world heavyweight title belts should have been vacanted the next day.
Evander beat Mike fair and square at that time.
Evander's head is rather um large and it is quite possible that those headbutts were all accidental. Plus he's taller than Mike and when you're trying to lean in and get a good hit on your opponent or even if you're trying to block their hit before respondind with a body shot...it's easy to headbutt someone. 
