Okay so I go to renew my vehicle registration today after working all night and when I get there the woman tells me I have two tickets from red light cameras from August WTF!!! I think these fucking tickets are from my teenage son driving So the lady tells me I have to drive to downtown Fort Worth to pay these tickets before they will give me my tags I'm like WTF!! $150 for some B.S. I had no idea even happened So needless to say after all this I am just now on my way to sleep after working the night shift-it is 11am WTF!! Sorry for the cursing but I mean really Anybody else ever experience these so-called tickets?

These type of tickets are bogus.

If someone steals your car or drives your car, why should u be responsible 4 their driving?

Crazy.

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Graycap23 said:

These type of tickets are bogus.

If someone steals your acr or drives or car, why should u be responsible 4 thier driving?

Crazy.

True, but I believe they belong to my son and he is 17 so momma has to pay them I still think it is some B.S. just for the city to get money from people

I've gotten a couple tickets this way. I don't like it, of course, but it's never much bugged me on principle. A motor vehicle is quite a dangerous thing if you think about it, and I kind of like that this sort of enforcement moves owners to keep tabs on the proper use of their own -- something like theft notwithstanding.

I do think communications around offenses like this should be timely, though. There's no reason folk should be blindsided only when they go to renew registrations, etc. They should get prompt notice in the mail when something like this occurs.

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Lammastide said:

I've gotten a couple tickets this way. I don't like it, of course, but it's never much bugged me on principle. A motor vehicle is quite a dangerous thing if you think about it, and I kind of like that this sort of enforcement moves owners to keep tabs on the proper use of theirs own -- something like theft notwithstanding.

I do think communications around offenses like this should be timely, though. There's no reason folk should be blindsided only when they go to renew registrations, etc. They should get prompt notice in the mail when something like this occurs.

The woman told me they sent then to my old address I havent lived there for two yrs so I asked why didn't they come to my new address when my mail was forwarded from the post office? She says they don't forward tickets WTF!!! So they just have these tickets waiting on folks when they try to renew which is really messed up

Lammastide said:

I've gotten a couple tickets this way. I don't like it, of course, but it's never much bugged me on principle. A motor vehicle is quite a dangerous thing if you think about it, and I kind of like that this sort of enforcement moves owners to keep tabs on the proper use of theirs own -- something like theft notwithstanding.

I do think communications around offenses like this should be timely, though. There's no reason folk should be blindsided only when they go to renew registrations, etc. They should get prompt notice in the mail when something like this occurs.

Exactly what I was going to say. Like I mean, there's no question of why they do this, the question is, why aren't they sending proper notification in the mail letting you know that you have been charged with this offense and it's on your driving record? How long were they going to let nurse drive all around everywhere before telling her "oh you know you got some tickets on your record right? Well we need the money for it please".

I think the Texas legislator is looking at banning them outright.

missfee said:

Lammastide said:

I've gotten a couple tickets this way. I don't like it, of course, but it's never much bugged me on principle. A motor vehicle is quite a dangerous thing if you think about it, and I kind of like that this sort of enforcement moves owners to keep tabs on the proper use of theirs own -- something like theft notwithstanding.

I do think communications around offenses like this should be timely, though. There's no reason folk should be blindsided only when they go to renew registrations, etc. They should get prompt notice in the mail when something like this occurs.

Exactly what I was going to say. Like I mean, there's no question of why they do this, the question is, why aren't they sending proper notification in the mail letting you know that you have been charged with this offense and it's on your driving record? How long were they going to let nurse drive all around everywhere before telling her "oh you know you got some tickets on your record right? Well we need the money for it please".

This is what I'm saying-What if they had turned into warrants? My friend says I could protest them cuz they didn't give me proper notice The lady said the tickets went back to city hall They never resent them WTF!

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I think the Texas legislator is looking at banning them outright.

They really do need to

nursev said:

missfee said:

Exactly what I was going to say. Like I mean, there's no question of why they do this, the question is, why aren't they sending proper notification in the mail letting you know that you have been charged with this offense and it's on your driving record? How long were they going to let nurse drive all around everywhere before telling her "oh you know you got some tickets on your record right? Well we need the money for it please".

This is what I'm saying-What if they had turned into warrants? My friend says I could protest them cuz they didn't give me proper notice The lady said the tickets went back to city hall They never resent them WTF!

And because of this, you have legal grounds to complain and refuse to pay.

nursev said:

Graycap23 said:

These type of tickets are bogus.

If someone steals your acr or drives or car, why should u be responsible 4 thier driving?

Crazy.

True, but I believe they belong to my son and he is 17 so momma has to pay them I still think it is some B.S. just for the city to get money from people

Tickets suck ~

I would never pay my childrens moving violations ~ they knew from the moment they started drivers ed that THEIR actions are THEIR responsibility !

I am a tough Mom like that though !

Mach said:

nursev said:

True, but I believe they belong to my son and he is 17 so momma has to pay them I still think it is some B.S. just for the city to get money from people

Tickets suck ~

I would never pay my childrens moving violations ~ they knew from the moment they started drivers ed that THEIR actions are THEIR responsibility !

I am a tough Mom like that though !

Now THIS I totally agree with. I can understand why I would be mailed the ticket if a camera caught my daughter committing a moving violation in a vehicle I had the authority of letting her drive. But between my daughter and I, I certainly wouldn't take on the ultimate financial responsibility for her screwup. She'd be paying that ticket.

But I do wonder... how does this effect the insurance rates of the vehicle owner?

Lammastide said:

Now THIS I totally agree with. I can understand why I would be mailed the ticket if a camera caught my daughter committing a moving violation in a vehicle I had the authority of letting her drive. But between my daughter and I, I certainly wouldn't take on the ultimate financial responsibility for her screwup. She'd be paying that ticket.

But I do wonder... how does this effect the insurance rates of the vehicle owner?

the problem with making the kid pay is that the ticket goes to the owner. So yeah someone borrows your car you get the ticket and I may not even be possible to fight it.

And in Texas I do not think they report them to the State so they do not go on your record so they would not appear on your insurance either.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Lammastide said:

Now THIS I totally agree with. I can understand why I would be mailed the ticket if a camera caught my daughter committing a moving violation in a vehicle I had the authority of letting her drive. But between my daughter and I, I certainly wouldn't take on the ultimate financial responsibility for her screwup. She'd be paying that ticket.

But I do wonder... how does this effect the insurance rates of the vehicle owner?

the problem with making the kid pay is that the ticket goes to the owner. So yeah someone borrows your car you get the ticket and I may not even be possible to fight it.

And in Texas I do not think they report them to the State so they do not go on your record so they would not appear on your insurance either.

ZERO problem ... the kids are allowed to use the car AND they understand it's still ON THEM if they get a moving violation ~ I OWN the car ~ I SET the RULES !

Mach said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

the problem with making the kid pay is that the ticket goes to the owner. So yeah someone borrows your car you get the ticket and I may not even be possible to fight it.

And in Texas I do not think they report them to the State so they do not go on your record so they would not appear on your insurance either.

ZERO problem ... the kids are allowed to use the car AND they understand it's still ON THEM if they get a moving violation ~ I OWN the car ~ I SET the RULES !

That works fine with moving violations when the cop gives the ticket to the driver, but for the cameras it just takes a photo of the car and runs the plate and sends the ticket to the person on the registration. Some of them show the driver some do not. So the ticket shows up in the mail or like nurse said maybe you never get it (kids take it and throw it away) so you do not even know about it for a while.

I have heard there may be lots of these tickets that people don't know about, and they might get them way later.

I agree with lammastide, I think that particular ticket is not a bad one, as people are running red lights more and more nowadays. And driving is dangerous. But I'd be pissed too.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Mach said:

ZERO problem ... the kids are allowed to use the car AND they understand it's still ON THEM if they get a moving violation ~ I OWN the car ~ I SET the RULES !

That works fine with moving violations when the cop gives the ticket to the driver, but for the cameras it just takes a photo of the car and runs the plate and sends the ticket to the person on the registration. Some of them show the driver some do not. So the ticket shows up in the mail or like nurse said maybe you never get it (kids take it and throw it away) so you do not even know about it for a while.

Yeah ~ I'm going to know if that was me, my husband or the kids ~ by time/date/location so still zero issue

and YES 3 out of 4 of our children have had to PAY their own violations while under us and using our vehicals

I got a ticket in the mail because I dropped my friend off on the side of the road. I pulled over to the curb and let her out (crowded city) did not block traffic, but I got a ticket because apparently I was in a bus zone.

I had only stopped for 5 seconds and someone saw and wrote a ticket for $250 that I got in the mail.

That kind of thing pisses me off because I did not cause any danger and in fact got out of the way, unlike other people who would have stopped right in the middle of traffic.

NDRU said:

I have heard there may be lots of these tickets that people don't know about, and they might get them way later.

I agree with lammastide, I think that particular ticket is not a bad one, as people are running red lights more and more nowadays. And driving is dangerous. But I'd be pissed too.

Should u have 2 pay 4 someone else's bad driving just because they are driving your car?

Graycap23 said:

NDRU said:

I have heard there may be lots of these tickets that people don't know about, and they might get them way later.

I agree with lammastide, I think that particular ticket is not a bad one, as people are running red lights more and more nowadays. And driving is dangerous. But I'd be pissed too.

Should u have 2 pay 4 someone else's bad driving just because they are driving your car?

no, but that is more of a parent/child issue in this case. If the car had been stolen and gotten tickets that's a different story

NDRU said:

Graycap23 said:

Should u have 2 pay 4 someone else's bad driving just because they are driving your car?

no, but that is more of a parent/child issue in this case. If the car had been stolen and gotten tickets that's a different story

I'm not talking about kids. Anyone who drives your car.

Graycap23 said:

NDRU said:

no, but that is more of a parent/child issue in this case. If the car had been stolen and gotten tickets that's a different story

I'm not talking about kids. Anyone who drives your car.

well that's on her to make her son pay the ticket, the DMV doesn't care who pays it. But unless she wants to say her son stole her car and let the law handle it, then it's a parent/child issue

NDRU said:

Graycap23 said:

I'm not talking about kids. Anyone who drives your car.

well that's on her to make her son pay the ticket, the DMV doesn't care who pays it. But unless she wants to say her son stole her car and let the law handle it, then it's a parent/child issue

Q? U take your car 2 a repair shop. The mechanic has 2 test drive your car when he is done. He gets a Red light ticket................should u have 2 pay 4 that?

Graycap23 said:

NDRU said:

well that's on her to make her son pay the ticket, the DMV doesn't care who pays it. But unless she wants to say her son stole her car and let the law handle it, then it's a parent/child issue

Q? U take your car 2 a repair shop. The mechanic has 2 test drive your car when he is done. He gets a Red light ticket................should u have 2 pay 4 that?

I don't think you should have to, no. I'm just saying you have to take that up with your mechanic. If the ticket happened while he had the car then they can't really argue

But how does the DMV know your mechanic was driving? Anyone could just say "I was not driving when that happened, send the bill to my mechanic"

It's like if you're in an accident. Someone has to pay the repair bill for your car, and unless you report it to the authorities, then it's on you to collect from the person who hit you.

Graycap23 said:

NDRU said:

well that's on her to make her son pay the ticket, the DMV doesn't care who pays it. But unless she wants to say her son stole her car and let the law handle it, then it's a parent/child issue

Q? U take your car 2 a repair shop. The mechanic has 2 test drive your car when he is done. He gets a Red light ticket................should u have 2 pay 4 that?

No way. But in a situation like that, I don't see the garage really fighting you over the money. Heck, I'd burn that place down!

As for others, the only people I'd ever routinely let behind the wheel of my car (if/when I get another) would be my wife and kid. The ticket would come to me, yes, but as soon as I opened the mail, I'd be on them to shell out the dough.

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NDRU said:

Graycap23 said:

Q? U take your car 2 a repair shop. The mechanic has 2 test drive your car when he is done. He gets a Red light ticket................should u have 2 pay 4 that?

I don't think you should have to, no. I'm just saying you have to take that up with your mechanic. If the ticket happened while he had the car then they can't really argue

But how does the DMV know your mechanic was driving? Anyone could just say "I was not driving when that happened, send the bill to my mechanic"

It's like if you're in an accident. Someone has to pay the repair bill for your car, and unless you report it to the authorities, then it's on you to collect from the person who hit you.

That is why the ticket is bogus.............how does the DMV know it is U driving?

Lammastide said:

Graycap23 said:

Q? U take your car 2 a repair shop. The mechanic has 2 test drive your car when he is done. He gets a Red light ticket................should u have 2 pay 4 that?

No way. But in a situation like that, I don't see the garage really fighting you over the money. Heck, I'd burn that place down!

As for others, the only people I'd ever routinely let behind the wheel of my car (if/when I get another) would be my wife and kid. The ticket would come to me, yes, but as soon as I opened the mail, I'd be on them to shell out the dough.

[Edited 12/2/10 11:45am]

exactly, you'd rather not turn family over to the law, so you are still legally responsible, but you say "you are going to pay this!"

NDRU said:

Graycap23 said:

Q? U take your car 2 a repair shop. The mechanic has 2 test drive your car when he is done. He gets a Red light ticket................should u have 2 pay 4 that?

I don't think you should have to, no. I'm just saying you have to take that up with your mechanic. If the ticket happened while he had the car then they can't really argue

But how does the DMV know your mechanic was driving? Anyone could just say "I was not driving when that happened, send the bill to my mechanic"

It's like if you're in an accident. Someone has to pay the repair bill for your car, and unless you report it to the authorities, then it's on you to collect from the person who hit you.

show them the documents that show when the car was in their care. The last time I had a car in the shop I had evidence of when I dropped it off and when I picked it up. (the drop off form had a line for date and one for time). I also had phone records of called back and forth and the time and date of when I Paid for the services.

NDRU said:

Lammastide said:

No way. But in a situation like that, I don't see the garage really fighting you over the money. Heck, I'd burn that place down!

As for others, the only people I'd ever routinely let behind the wheel of my car (if/when I get another) would be my wife and kid. The ticket would come to me, yes, but as soon as I opened the mail, I'd be on them to shell out the dough.

[Edited 12/2/10 11:45am]

exactly, you'd rather not turn family over to the law, so you are still legally responsible, but you say "you are going to pay this!"

unless there is a photo of the driver (some do show that too) then even if you could prove it was not you driving you would not be able to prove who was. Just that it was not you. *same goes in the mechanic example above*. But I am not even sure that would always work as a defense.

Graycap23 said:

NDRU said:

I don't think you should have to, no. I'm just saying you have to take that up with your mechanic. If the ticket happened while he had the car then they can't really argue

But how does the DMV know your mechanic was driving? Anyone could just say "I was not driving when that happened, send the bill to my mechanic"

It's like if you're in an accident. Someone has to pay the repair bill for your car, and unless you report it to the authorities, then it's on you to collect from the person who hit you.

That is why the ticket is bogus.............how does the DMV know it is U driving?

they don't, but they know it's your car. If your gun was used in a murder they would come to you first, too.

You can fight this stuff in court, of course, but do you want to drag family & mechanics to court, or would you rather just ask them to pay it for you and avoid all that?

It's not fair, I know, but it's not the law taking advantage of you, it's the person driving your car & getting tickets who is taking advantage of you. And you are letting them take advantage of you if you don't make them pay.

[Edited 12/2/10 11:59am]