You know...some of the comments bring to mind something that happened long ago. I was out with my 2 rottweillers in a local forest so their leashes were extended and they happened upon what appeared to be a chicken. They started "playing" with the chicken....(and nothing good could have come of it) so I began reeling them in closer to give the bird a better chance of escaping.

Then this dumb woman jogging by, sees the dogs and the bird (before spotting me) and starts running toward my two full grown, VERY large rottweiler dogs, dogs who dont know her, screaming, yelling and flailing her arms.

Sure...I had control of my dogs.....but what a stupid bitch...she made things worse by exciting the dogs, and she put herself in harms way for a freakin chicken. If I wasn't there, if they were free dogs (like she originally thought)....she would have taken the place of the chicken that they were "playing" with. I imagine that if I wasn't there...this same woman would have probably claimed the dogs were vicious if they mauled her ass because her behavior was threatening to them.....

IMO, only stupid people would interfere with an animal they are not personally familiar with.....

ufoclub said:

I can't believe the score...

but I don't understand why some people are sickened by this? There is no human interference... therefore no animal cruelty (unless you think cats need to be governed!). I would not try to stop a cat fight unless it was from some distance with a hose. If you read some comments on the video, the idea is that the black cat and the birds all live in a certain territory or backyard, and the white cat is trespassing.

Catfights are quite common in neighborhoods.

The one time I have seen birds act very offensive (as opposed to defensive) is when there is an unseen nest with eggs or young ones around.

I've seen my own cat make some crazy noises and turn fierce when a neighbors cat wanders around or peeks in the cat door. I do sometimes check her for scratches, because she goes and comes freely with her electronic collar chip activated cat door. None so far.

I agree with this. I would keep my distance when trying to break up a cat fight using a hose. If you stand too close, you would wind up as one or both of the cats' target, and they probably would wind up attacking you.

I'm not a big cat-fan but those birds looked like busybody assholes to me.

psychodelicide said:

ufoclub said:

I can't believe the score...

but I don't understand why some people are sickened by this? There is no human interference... therefore no animal cruelty (unless you think cats need to be governed!). I would not try to stop a cat fight unless it was from some distance with a hose. If you read some comments on the video, the idea is that the black cat and the birds all live in a certain territory or backyard, and the white cat is trespassing.

Catfights are quite common in neighborhoods.

The one time I have seen birds act very offensive (as opposed to defensive) is when there is an unseen nest with eggs or young ones around.

I've seen my own cat make some crazy noises and turn fierce when a neighbors cat wanders around or peeks in the cat door. I do sometimes check her for scratches, because she goes and comes freely with her electronic collar chip activated cat door. None so far.

I agree with this. I would keep my distance when trying to break up a cat fight using a hose. If you stand too close, you would wind up as one or both of the cats' target, and they probably would wind up attacking you.

paintedlady said:

eleven said:

no - but i would throw some water on them

not saying ppl should risk their lives

but do the decent thing

The way I see it...

cats hate water, so to a cat, its cruel to throw water on it.

Cats establish a pecking order, and it is natural for cats to fight for territory, they may have been fighting for food, a female etc. So it is actually cruel to stop a cat from fighting if it needs to establish its territory or dominance.

Responsible humans should never feed stray cats. The only interference stray cats need are neuter and spaying and shots to prevent worms, innoculations etc. All of which in a cat's POV is very cruel and scary.

Now watching a dog maul a cat is an entirely different story. I would stop that.

Of course, I would not drown the cats in water (since that DEFINITELY would be cruel). But a light sprinkling of water, from a safe distance, would stop the cats from fighting in a hurry. If a person doesn't feel comfortable using water, the other suggestion that I've read is to make a loud noise to distract the fighting animals. An air can probably would do the trick quite nicely. Being an animal lover, it wouldn't matter much to me if it was two cats or a cat and a dog that were fighting. Either way, I would try to break it up. My on the matter.

psychodelicide said:

paintedlady said:

The way I see it...

cats hate water, so to a cat, its cruel to throw water on it.

Cats establish a pecking order, and it is natural for cats to fight for territory, they may have been fighting for food, a female etc. So it is actually cruel to stop a cat from fighting if it needs to establish its territory or dominance.

Responsible humans should never feed stray cats. The only interference stray cats need are neuter and spaying and shots to prevent worms, innoculations etc. All of which in a cat's POV is very cruel and scary.

Now watching a dog maul a cat is an entirely different story. I would stop that.

Of course, I would not drown the cats in water (since that DEFINITELY would be cruel). But a light sprinkling of water, from a safe distance, would stop the cats from fighting in a hurry. If a person doesn't feel comfortable using water, the other suggestion that I've read is to make a loud noise to distract the fighting animals. An air can probably would do the trick quite nicely. Being an animal lover, it wouldn't matter much to me if it was two cats or a cat and a dog that were fighting. Either way, I would try to break it up. My on the matter.

Then, by that type of thinking, you should hose down mating cats as well.

Oh, BTW.. I never mentioned drowning cats.

[Edited 11/29/10 22:46pm]

You know....this reminds me....I haven't aimed my BB gun at anything excting lately........

[Edited 11/29/10 22:42pm]

johnart said:

I'm not a big cat-fan but those birds looked like busybody assholes to me.

In the first minute it made me think of the full length video for Bad, with the white cat being Michael and the black cat and the birds being Wesley Snipes and his goons.

In my head I heard the white cat scream "YOU AIN'T BAD! YOU AIN'T NUTHIN'...YOU AIN'T NUUUTHIN!"

paintedlady said:

psychodelicide said:

Of course, I would not drown the cats in water (since that DEFINITELY would be cruel). But a light sprinkling of water, from a safe distance, would stop the cats from fighting in a hurry. If a person doesn't feel comfortable using water, the other suggestion that I've read is to make a loud noise to distract the fighting animals. An air can probably would do the trick quite nicely. Being an animal lover, it wouldn't matter much to me if it was two cats or a cat and a dog that were fighting. Either way, I would try to break it up. My on the matter.

Then, by that type of thinking, you should hose down mating cats as well.

No, I disagree, because fighting cats and mating cats are two different things. I've been around cats most of my life, and I can differentiate between the two.

Cerebus said:

paintedlady said:

I separated dogs fighting before, two dogs jumped my pit. I had to get her out of that, she was being mauled by german shepard mixed dogs.

But if a dog has a collar and is not too huge I would grab the dog's lease or collar or hose the dog down. I would do my best to prevent a dog from killing someone's cat.

Now a deer (or other wild animal) vs. a dog/cat? The poor animal is on its own. That's too dangerous.

I was in a similar situation years ago when I still had a dog. Only the big ass dog biting my dog tried to bite me when I went for his colar. I followed the only advice I'd ever heard about how to handle that situation; I kicked it square in the chest. I felt REALLY bad about it, but it had already left bloody scraps on the end of one of my dogs ear, so I didn't feel THAT bad. It stopped and ran away right fast, too. Never did see who it's owner was, but I'm sure they were at the park somewhere. It wasn't a stray.

In regards to breaking up other animal fights, I don't know. They're still animals and they've got their own pecking order. If it wasn't my pet I think I'd stay out of the way.

We do risk much more when its our pets that are on the line.

I would NEVER of had the gumption to get inbetween dogs that big if it wasn't my doggie getting chewed up.

StillGotIt said:

physco185 said:

that was horrible, i could not watch it all

and to think someone stood there behind the camera, allowing that poor cat to be hurt like that...that's cruel

anything to do with animal cruelty turns my stomach

Animal cruelty? Allowing that "poor cat to be hurt"...... Seriously.....get a life. You are so into "protecting" animals that you dont want them to behave the way they are naturally inclined to. I really hope you dont decide to do something like get married........next you'll be complaining that disagreements shouldn't happen.....

By the way folks...those are so NOT blue jays.....

[Edited 11/29/10 21:55pm]

If they r wild animals.. fair enough

But more than likely they r pets…and I would not want my pet injured, and if I can I will stop it from happening…as my pets r like family and that is how it is

To be honest the difference is that you find it amusing and I don’t

It really does not have anything to do with you living in a trailer or with my husband who I have been with for 20 years

Next time stick to the topic and do not cast aspersions…

psychodelicide said:

paintedlady said:

Then, by that type of thinking, you should hose down mating cats as well.

No, I disagree, because fighting cats and mating cats are two different things. I've been around cats most of my life, and I can differentiate between the two.

I am sure you know the difference, but what I mean is that cat vs. cat fights are natural. Just like mating is.

A cat vs. cat fight is nothing at all like a cat vs. dog fight. Male cats need to establish dominance when trying to make claim on territory, and they usually make tons of noise but never kill one another. Other than the ruckus they make, its not so bad on the cats really. Like mating and hunting, and meowing in Spanish .....its all a part of a cats nature. I am sure you already know.

paintedlady said:

psychodelicide said:

No, I disagree, because fighting cats and mating cats are two different things. I've been around cats most of my life, and I can differentiate between the two.

I am sure you know the difference, but what I mean is that cat vs. cat fights are natural. Just like mating is.

A cat vs. cat fight is nothing at all like a cat vs. dog fight. Male cats need to establish dominance when trying to make claim on territory, and they usually make tons of noise but never kill one another. Other than the ruckus they make, its not so bad on the cats really. Like mating and hunting, and meowing in Spanish .....its all a part of a cats nature. I am sure you already know.

Oh yes, I definitely know. Male cats are definitely territorial, no doubt about that.

physco185 said:

StillGotIt said:

Animal cruelty? Allowing that "poor cat to be hurt"...... Seriously.....get a life. You are so into "protecting" animals that you dont want them to behave the way they are naturally inclined to. I really hope you dont decide to do something like get married........next you'll be complaining that disagreements shouldn't happen.....

By the way folks...those are so NOT blue jays.....

[Edited 11/29/10 21:55pm]

If they r wild animals.. fair enough

But more than likely they r pets…and I would not want my pet injured, and if I can I will stop it from happening…as my pets r like family and that is how it is

To be honest the difference is that you find it amusing and I don’t

It really does not have anything to do with you living in a trailer or with my husband who I have been with for 20 years

Next time stick to the topic and do not cast aspersions…

Where did she defame you? You're the one claiming stillgotit lives in a trailer?

You are still with your husband????

http://prince.org/msg/100/347623

Alllll righty then! Not casting asperions, just saying.... oh FYI, Stillgotit doesn't live in a trailer. REEEOOWWWW!! Cat fights for real up in hurrr.

link edit... 'cause Imma bitch like that.

[Edited 11/29/10 23:50pm]

paintedlady said:

physco185 said:

If they r wild animals.. fair enough

But more than likely they r pets…and I would not want my pet injured, and if I can I will stop it from happening…as my pets r like family and that is how it is

To be honest the difference is that you find it amusing and I don’t

It really does not have anything to do with you living in a trailer or with my husband who I have been with for 20 years

Next time stick to the topic and do not cast aspersions…

Where did she defame you? You're the one claiming stillgotit lives in a trailer?

You are still with your husband????

http://prince.org/msg/100/347623

Alllll righty then! Not casting asperions, just saying.... oh FYI, Stillgotit doesn't live in a trailer. REEEOOWWWW!! Cat fights for real up in hurrr.

link edit... 'cause Imma bitch like that.

[Edited 11/29/10 23:50pm]

God I love this place

Then u bring up my fuck buddy thread

U rock

Marriage almost over…bur it did last more than most ...anyway what ever

But most importanty StillGotIt i am sorry about the 'Trailer' thing even though u did say.....

I really hope you dont decide to do something like get married........next you'll be complaining that disagreements shouldn't happen.....

and i did not get the relevance to this topic...even so i should not have been so low

Friends????

physco185 said:

paintedlady said:

Where did she defame you? You're the one claiming stillgotit lives in a trailer?

You are still with your husband????

http://prince.org/msg/100/347623

Alllll righty then! Not casting asperions, just saying.... oh FYI, Stillgotit doesn't live in a trailer. REEEOOWWWW!! Cat fights for real up in hurrr.

link edit... 'cause Imma bitch like that.

[Edited 11/29/10 23:50pm]

God I love this place

Then u bring up my fuck buddy thread

U rock

Marriage almost over…bur it did last more than most ...anyway what ever

But most importanty StillGotIt i am sorry about the 'Trailer' thing even though u did say.....

I really hope you dont decide to do something like get married........next you'll be complaining that disagreements shouldn't happen.....

and i did not get the relevance to this topic...even so i should not have been so low

Friends????

Oh hell yes, I've known that crazy woman for a loonnnggg time.

Friends for over 30 years.... we even menstruate together. Speaking of that is exactly why my fat ass eating pot pie at like 4:30 in the damn morning? SMH

Congrats... you survived your first org tussle.... you are official now! I get called out on previous threads all the damn time.

I was finnin' to get the hose on you two!

One thing I've recently learned about cats is that they are territorial too (I guess all cats, even big cats in the wild) that's when my friend gave me her two cat to take care of. We already had one cat, my sister's, and she did not like these new cats and at first there was a lot of growling and hissing but they've learned that they all belong here and tolerate each other. There are times where she will still hiss at one of the cats and shows her dislike for him but it doesn't last long.

There was also another time where a cat from up the hill from us kept coming into our yard eating the food, she chased them away and that cat no longer comes to eat all the food. I've never heard of our other two cats fighting other cats, but maybe they don't come here because of our first cat. So the territorial thing is necessary for them to establish the boundaries where other cats cannot cross.

Normally when I hear the cats fighting though I would shush them and scare them away because it was a nuisance and things get really loud. Now, I would probably join our cats in establishing our yard (food) as our territory by running at them full speed to scare the heck out of them.

paintedlady said:

physco185 said:

God I love this place

Then u bring up my fuck buddy thread

U rock

Marriage almost over…bur it did last more than most ...anyway what ever

But most importanty StillGotIt i am sorry about the 'Trailer' thing even though u did say.....

I really hope you dont decide to do something like get married........next you'll be complaining that disagreements shouldn't happen.....

and i did not get the relevance to this topic...even so i should not have been so low

Friends????

Oh hell yes, I've known that crazy woman for a loonnnggg time.

Friends for over 30 years.... we even menstruate together. Speaking of that is exactly why my fat ass eating pot pie at like 4:30 in the damn morning? SMH

Congrats... you survived your first org tussle.... you are official now! I get called out on previous threads all the damn time.

I was finnin' to get the hose on you two!

so let me get this right....

you and her r neighbours in the caravan park

joke

BUT.... this was not my first tussie

which makes me officially official ... Kool

The birds finally get their revenge. Just kidding. I wouldn't intervene if I saw two wild animals fighting each-other. However, if it was my cat or someone else's cat (a house-cat), I would probably get the cat away from the birds, since they have diseases, etc. Human's kinda sometimes feel like the have this 'entitlement' when it comes to wild animals, but they really don't. They have to fight their own battles. I understand if animals are endangered or unpopulated, or if its effecting something that directly effects humans, but other that, dont feel a need to get involved. Like here in Wisconsin: deer hunting season just eneded, we have too many deer, and if their was no hunting, we'd get overun by deer. So, I think that in that case the entitlement comes into play.

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[Edited 11/30/10 5:59am]

The bird finally get their revenge. Just kidding. I wouldn't intervene if I saw two wild animals fighting each-other. However, if it was my cat or someone else's cat (a house-cat), I would probably get the cat away from the birds, since they have diseases, etc. Human's kinda sometimes feel like the have this 'entitlement' when it comes to wild animals, but they really don't. They have to fight their own battles.

Awwww dammit, you had to go and make a friend ...I fell asleep and thus missed the opportunity to "pop an org cherry". But hell...Physco wasn't an org tuss virgin anyways. Poor Painted....you had to put away your hose--no popcorn watching cat fights for you.....now I have to put my diamonds back on knowing my wife beater, BB Gun and plaid shirt hasn't been efffective. To P&R with you painted!!!!!

I was gonna say another songbird thats really gangsta is the HOUSE SPARROW. Very gangsta and not afraid to fight for what they feel they are entitled to. Animals, even the basic of animals, have a killed, or be killed mentality.

FauxReal said:

johnart said:

I'm not a big cat-fan but those birds looked like busybody assholes to me.

In the first minute it made me think of the full length video for Bad, with the white cat being Michael and the black cat and the birds being Wesley Snipes and his goons.

In my head I heard the white cat scream "YOU AIN'T BAD! YOU AIN'T NUTHIN'...YOU AIN'T NUUUTHIN!"

StillGotIt said:

Awwww dammit, you had to go and make a friend ...I fell asleep and thus missed the opportunity to "pop an org cherry". But hell...Physco wasn't an org tuss virgin anyways. Poor Painted....you had to put away your hose--no popcorn watching cat fights for you.....now I have to put my diamonds back on knowing my wife beater, BB Gun and plaid shirt hasn't been efffective. To P&R with you painted!!!!!

You're the best bitch EVA!

My old cat I had when I was growing up got in fights ALL the time. A female calico would go missing for a couple days, only to come back bloody and all beat up. We would take her to the vet, stitch her up, she would come home, sleep for like a week solid, wake up and be like nothing happened. My dad saw her in the middle of one before and said she was being territorial and picked the fight. He said it was loud and scary, but that she beat the shit out of the other cat. I remember my mom asking why he didn't break it up, he said there was no way he was going to get in the middle of that mess. Figured the cat could take care of herself, which she always did.

I am the owner of, or should I say, I am owned by 7 cats, 6 males (2 whole) and one female. All the cats are "fixed" except the two youngest males. They all get along with the exception of 2 of my neutered males. They just don't see eye-to-eye and get into it at least once a week. They usually just growl and howl at each other, but one time they got into a major, fur-flying fight outside. It was fascinating to watch. It was almost like they were doing an energetic ballet, but the caterwalling was horrific. I just llet them go at it. It ended in less than 30 seconds, but I wasn't about to get scratched to ribbons trying to break it up. An hour later they were eating together in the kitchen. That's what cats do sometimes, just like some adults.

Oh, and to add about the birds. That was fascinating to watch. I had never seen birds act like that around cats. I have seen mockingbrids dive for some of my cats when they get too close to their nests, but to see them actually traisping around them. Those birds had balls! I doubt they would have lasted a minute around one of my babies. They are some hunters. They have brought me squirrels, snakes, frogs, countless birds, lizards, bugs, rabbits, and I've even seen them playing with raccoons.

[Edited 11/30/10 14:37pm]

XxAxX said:

seriously, i think we all know who the real stars of this thread are

http://www.youtube.com/wa...ukdsl5O7AI

That is so cute.

(We've got birds too... )