LittleBLUECorvette said:

SCNDLS said:

This is truly the dumbest shit I've ever heard. Who doesn't want to go to a team with all-stars that give him the best chance to win a ring? Isn't that the whole point of playing? No, he's supposed to suffer in futility cuz that's the noble thing to do. GTFOH with that mess!

Who wants to join up with the best players, it's all about competition.

Why didn't Jordan join Magic or Bird, he coud have won instead of suffering in Chicago for 7 seasons before finaly winning a title.

LeBron was on a 66 and 61 win team the past two seasons. He made it to the Finals the season before those other two. It's not like he was Tracy McGrady in Orland barley getting a lil over 40 wins a season and he wanted a change. Dude had the best records in the league the past two seasosn, was MVP the past two season, was the scoring champ the season before. Get out of here with that "he was suffering on a bad team" nonsence.

He took the easy road which was to join forces with D-Wade and Chris Bosh in Miami, it's that sinple. It's that simple, he messed up his legacy. He can win champioships for the rest of his career, this move will still e looked down on. What other great left his former team to join up with two other top 15 players (and Wade a top 3 player) for some easy rings.

Magic- nope

Bird- nope

Russell- nope

Jordan- nope

Hakeem- nope

Kobe-nope

Duncan- nope

Robertson- nope (Oscar played in Cinncinatti for ten plus seasons before being traded to the Bucks with Kareem. Oscar was already past his prime and the Royasl weren't muc of a team by the time he was traded)

West and Baylor- nope

Erving- nope

Now you have Wilt, Kareem, Moses, Shaq, Barkley.

Now Shaq did leave like LeBron, but he wasn't joining up with a trio like Wade and Bosh. When he went to LA, there were no All-Stars on the team. Eddie Jones and Van Exel were in like their 2nd seasons and Kobe hadn't even been drafted by the Hornets yet.

Kareem won a title in Milwuakee already and when he was traded, Robertson had retired.

Wilt had won a title with the 6ers the season before he got traded.

Moses played for some bad Rocket teams in the early 80s. They were even bad the season they got to the Finals, 41-41 I believe. The Rockets traded hom the next season.

Barkley like Moses, was a part of Bad Sixer teams. Barkey was traded to the Suns after missing the playoffs in 92.

Are you kidding me??? If my memory serves, MOST of those players played with other HOF players or at the least exceptional role players. Their organizations BUILT teams around them that HELPED those superstar players get their rings they weren't on the court alone or some shit. NONE of those legends woulda won all those rings, if any, with the average muhhfuckas they had surrounding Lebron.

After all these years it was clear that Cleveland was not or could not do what was needed to get the caliber of players that would help Lebron achieve the goal of a championship. I can't believe people are seriously mad because the Heat assembled a group of the most talented players available. And trynna compare today's NBA to the league of 30 years ago is some mo' nonsense.

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SCNDLS said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Who wants to join up with the best players, it's all about competition.

Why didn't Jordan join Magic or Bird, he coud have won instead of suffering in Chicago for 7 seasons before finaly winning a title.

LeBron was on a 66 and 61 win team the past two seasons. He made it to the Finals the season before those other two. It's not like he was Tracy McGrady in Orland barley getting a lil over 40 wins a season and he wanted a change. Dude had the best records in the league the past two seasosn, was MVP the past two season, was the scoring champ the season before. Get out of here with that "he was suffering on a bad team" nonsence.

He took the easy road which was to join forces with D-Wade and Chris Bosh in Miami, it's that sinple. It's that simple, he messed up his legacy. He can win champioships for the rest of his career, this move will still e looked down on. What other great left his former team to join up with two other top 15 players (and Wade a top 3 player) for some easy rings.

Magic- nope

Bird- nope

Russell- nope

Jordan- nope

Hakeem- nope

Kobe-nope

Duncan- nope

Robertson- nope (Oscar played in Cinncinatti for ten plus seasons before being traded to the Bucks with Kareem. Oscar was already past his prime and the Royasl weren't muc of a team by the time he was traded)

West and Baylor- nope

Erving- nope

Now you have Wilt, Kareem, Moses, Shaq, Barkley.

Now Shaq did leave like LeBron, but he wasn't joining up with a trio like Wade and Bosh. When he went to LA, there were no All-Stars on the team. Eddie Jones and Van Exel were in like their 2nd seasons and Kobe hadn't even been drafted by the Hornets yet.

Kareem won a title in Milwuakee already and when he was traded, Robertson had retired.

Wilt had won a title with the 6ers the season before he got traded.

Moses played for some bad Rocket teams in the early 80s. They were even bad the season they got to the Finals, 41-41 I believe. The Rockets traded hom the next season.

Barkley like Moses, was a part of Bad Sixer teams. Barkey was traded to the Suns after missing the playoffs in 92.

Are you kidding me??? If my memory serves, MOST of those players played with other HOF players or at the least exceptional role players. Their organizations BUILT teams around them that HELPED those superstar players get their rings they weren't on the court alone or some shit. NONE of those legends woulda won all those rings, if any, with the average muhhfuckas they had surrounding Lebron.

After all these years it was clear that Cleveland was not or could not do what was needed to get the caliber of players that would help Lebron achieve the goal of a championship. I can't believe people are seriously mad because the Heat assembled a group of the most talented players available. And trynna compare today's NBA to the league of 30 years ago is some mo' nonsense.

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^^^

Take Bird right outta that equation because Bird was ONE of an all star team that included Parrish and McCheal (spellcheck-).

The Celtics won 13 championships because of the TEAM.

paintedlady said:

SCNDLS said:

Are you kidding me??? If my memory serves, MOST of those players played with other HOF players or at the least exceptional role players. Their organizations BUILT teams around them that HELPED those superstar players get their rings they weren't on the court alone or some shit. NONE of those legends woulda won all those rings, if any, with the average muhhfuckas they had surrounding Lebron.

After all these years it was clear that Cleveland was not or could not do what was needed to get the caliber of players that would help Lebron achieve the goal of a championship. I can't believe people are seriously mad because the Heat assembled a group of the most talented players available. And trynna compare today's NBA to the league of 30 years ago is some mo' nonsense.

[Edited 12/5/10 8:51am]

^^^

Take Bird right outta that equation because Bird was ONE of an all star team that included Parrish and McCheal (spellcheck-).

The Celtics won 13 championships because of the TEAM.

And, by no means, am I saying that this experiment with the Heat is gonna be successful, it's prolly not. But this widespread criticism for TRYING to suit up the best players to WIN is absolutely ridiculous to me. That's why teams draft and trade players every year, to get the perfect mix of performers who will get them WINS. Fuck that other noise.

SCNDLS said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Who wants to join up with the best players, it's all about competition.

Why didn't Jordan join Magic or Bird, he coud have won instead of suffering in Chicago for 7 seasons before finaly winning a title.

LeBron was on a 66 and 61 win team the past two seasons. He made it to the Finals the season before those other two. It's not like he was Tracy McGrady in Orland barley getting a lil over 40 wins a season and he wanted a change. Dude had the best records in the league the past two seasosn, was MVP the past two season, was the scoring champ the season before. Get out of here with that "he was suffering on a bad team" nonsence.

He took the easy road which was to join forces with D-Wade and Chris Bosh in Miami, it's that sinple. It's that simple, he messed up his legacy. He can win champioships for the rest of his career, this move will still e looked down on. What other great left his former team to join up with two other top 15 players (and Wade a top 3 player) for some easy rings.

Magic- nope

Bird- nope

Russell- nope

Jordan- nope

Hakeem- nope

Kobe-nope

Duncan- nope

Robertson- nope (Oscar played in Cinncinatti for ten plus seasons before being traded to the Bucks with Kareem. Oscar was already past his prime and the Royasl weren't muc of a team by the time he was traded)

West and Baylor- nope

Erving- nope

Now you have Wilt, Kareem, Moses, Shaq, Barkley.

Now Shaq did leave like LeBron, but he wasn't joining up with a trio like Wade and Bosh. When he went to LA, there were no All-Stars on the team. Eddie Jones and Van Exel were in like their 2nd seasons and Kobe hadn't even been drafted by the Hornets yet.

Kareem won a title in Milwuakee already and when he was traded, Robertson had retired.

Wilt had won a title with the 6ers the season before he got traded.

Moses played for some bad Rocket teams in the early 80s. They were even bad the season they got to the Finals, 41-41 I believe. The Rockets traded hom the next season.

Barkley like Moses, was a part of Bad Sixer teams. Barkey was traded to the Suns after missing the playoffs in 92.

Are you kidding me??? If my memory serves, MOST of those players played with other HOF players or at the least exceptional role players. Their organizations BUILT teams around them that HELPED those superstar players get their rings they weren't on the court alone or some shit. NONE of those legends woulda won all those rings, if any, with the average muhhfuckas they had surrounding Lebron.

After all these years it was clear that Cleveland was not or could not do what was needed to get the caliber of players that would help Lebron achieve the goal of a championship. I can't believe people are seriously mad because the Heat assembled a group of the most talented players available. And trynna compare today's NBA to the league of 30 years ago is some mo' nonsense.

[Edited 12/5/10 8:51am]

And this season was the perfect season to build around Cleveland. Bosh, Wade, Amare, Joe Johnson, Boozer, Lee, ect were all free agents.

Why couldln't Cleveland pull in a name? I heard LeBron was already planing on leavin that;s why no one came to the Cavs. You don't think LeBron could have pulled in a Amare or hell, even bought Bosh to Cleveland?

The NBA was a much better leage back than that's how most of those teams were stacked with other HOF players. I'm just stating that most of those guys rode out the rough parts untill the pieaces were around them.

Take Jordan for instance, MJ could have bailed and joined with Patrick Ewing or formed a big three in Utah with Stockton and Malone, but he stayed with Chicago and got 6 chips and waited til Pippen developed. JJ Hickson is gonna be a nice player when he develops.

LeBron is only 25, he could have stayed in Cleveland a few more season before bailing. If by his late 20s nothin was happening in Cleveland, than I don't thik people would have looked down on him so much for leaving.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

SCNDLS said:

Are you kidding me??? If my memory serves, MOST of those players played with other HOF players or at the least exceptional role players. Their organizations BUILT teams around them that HELPED those superstar players get their rings they weren't on the court alone or some shit. NONE of those legends woulda won all those rings, if any, with the average muhhfuckas they had surrounding Lebron.

After all these years it was clear that Cleveland was not or could not do what was needed to get the caliber of players that would help Lebron achieve the goal of a championship. I can't believe people are seriously mad because the Heat assembled a group of the most talented players available. And trynna compare today's NBA to the league of 30 years ago is some mo' nonsense.

[Edited 12/5/10 8:51am]

And this season was the perfect season to build around Cleveland. Bosh, Wade, Amare, Joe Johnson, Boozer, Lee, ect were all free agents.

Why couldln't Cleveland pull in a name? I heard LeBron was already planing on leavin that;s why no one came to the Cavs. You don't think LeBron could have pulled in a Amare or hell, even bought Bosh to Cleveland?

The NBA was a much better leage back than that's how most of those teams were stacked with other HOF players. I'm just stating that most of those guys rode out the rough parts untill the pieaces were around them.

Take Jordan for instance, MJ could have bailed and joined with Patrick Ewing or formed a big three in Utah with Stockton and Malone, but he stayed with Chicago and got 6 chips and waited til Pippen developed. JJ Hickson is gonna be a nice player when he develops.

LeBron is only 25, he could have stayed in Cleveland a few more season before bailing. If by his late 20s nothin was happening in Cleveland, than I don't thik people would have looked down on him so much for leaving.

SEVEN years ain't long enough???? What if he waited and got hurt? What then? And neither Amare or Bosh alone in Cleveland was gonna get him a ring IMO. He gave them more than enough time to do the right thing and they didn't. He put that team on his back for 7 years and got nothing in return.

Like I said, I'd bet money that there were personal issues with the organization that spurred his decision and rather than put they asses on blast he decided to move the hell on. And I ain't even a Lebron fan like that, but I respect his decision to do what's in HIS best interest cuz ultimately it's all about bidness and these team owners don't give a fuck about the players so they better handle their business to protect their own interests.

SCNDLS said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

HE still is a wimp for leavin Cleveland to joing 2 other All-Stars. What other great NBA player hes left a two time 60+ win team? 2 time MVP's don't jump ship with their buddies.

Unless they were forced out (Wilt Chamberlain) who else has left their team?

This is truly the dumbest shit I've ever heard. Who doesn't want to go to a team with all-stars that give him the best chance to win a ring? Isn't that the whole point of playing? No, he's supposed to suffer in futility cuz that's the noble thing to do. GTFOH with that mess!

Kevin Garnett did. I don't remember any crucifiction from that. KG finally got about himself and got into a situation to get a ring. I know LeBron had to been thinking about the same thing.

Fuck loyalty. KG had one of the biggest contracts at the time and he went right outta high school too. Stayed in Minnesota and listened to the promises. They pumped a lot into him too. Finally gets a ring and is injured. No where near the same athlete he was before the injury. Umm yeah I'm sure that was one of the things that prompted LeBron to leave. So I can't be mad at him.

SCNDLS said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

And this season was the perfect season to build around Cleveland. Bosh, Wade, Amare, Joe Johnson, Boozer, Lee, ect were all free agents.

Why couldln't Cleveland pull in a name? I heard LeBron was already planing on leavin that;s why no one came to the Cavs. You don't think LeBron could have pulled in a Amare or hell, even bought Bosh to Cleveland?

The NBA was a much better leage back than that's how most of those teams were stacked with other HOF players. I'm just stating that most of those guys rode out the rough parts untill the pieaces were around them.

Take Jordan for instance, MJ could have bailed and joined with Patrick Ewing or formed a big three in Utah with Stockton and Malone, but he stayed with Chicago and got 6 chips and waited til Pippen developed. JJ Hickson is gonna be a nice player when he develops.

LeBron is only 25, he could have stayed in Cleveland a few more season before bailing. If by his late 20s nothin was happening in Cleveland, than I don't thik people would have looked down on him so much for leaving.

SEVEN years ain't long enough???? What if he waited and got hurt? What then? And neither Amare or Bosh alone in Cleveland was gonna get him a ring IMO. He gave them more than enough time to do the right thing and they didn't. He put that team on his back for 7 years and got nothing in return.

Like I said, I'd bet money that there were personal issues with the organization that spurred his decision and rather than put they asses on blast he decided to move the hell on. And I ain't even a Lebron fan like that, but I respect his decision to do what's in HIS best interest cuz ultimately it's all about bidness and these team owners don't give a fuck about the players so they better handle their business to protect their own interests.

THANK YOU!

When exactly, was Cleveland planning to put together a team with potential comparable to what the Heat offered? Never, that's when. They just mad because their main attraction is gone.

LeBron wants a chance at a ring. It's his career and his right to pursue it as he sees fit...period.

KatSkrizzle said:

SCNDLS said:

This is truly the dumbest shit I've ever heard. Who doesn't want to go to a team with all-stars that give him the best chance to win a ring? Isn't that the whole point of playing? No, he's supposed to suffer in futility cuz that's the noble thing to do. GTFOH with that mess!

Kevin Garnett did. I don't remember any crucifiction from that. KG finally got about himself and got into a situation to get a ring. I know LeBron had to been thinking about the same thing.

Fuck loyalty. KG had one of the biggest contracts at the time and he went right outta high school too. Stayed in Minnesota and listened to the promises. They pumped a lot into him too. Finally gets a ring and is injured. No where near the same athlete he was before the injury. Umm yeah I'm sure that was one of the things that prompted LeBron to leave. So I can't be mad at him.

KG was 32 years old in his 12th season when he was traded to Boston. He also hadn't made the playoffs in 3 seasons at that time.

I may sound heartless but I will laugh my ass off if come playoff time 2011 the Heat are either:

1.) Not in the playoffs.

2.) Lose in the quarterfinals if they do make it.

Just saying.

Timmy84 said:

I may sound heartless but I will laugh my ass off if come playoff time 2011 the Heat are either:

1.) Not in the playoffs.

2.) Lose in the quarterfinals if they do make it.

Just saying.

Ahhh, shaddup,

However, I do agree that there was way too much hype, especially the TV special they did, They will have to eat a whole lotta of crow if they don't live up to it.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

KatSkrizzle said:

Kevin Garnett did. I don't remember any crucifiction from that. KG finally got about himself and got into a situation to get a ring. I know LeBron had to been thinking about the same thing.

Fuck loyalty. KG had one of the biggest contracts at the time and he went right outta high school too. Stayed in Minnesota and listened to the promises. They pumped a lot into him too. Finally gets a ring and is injured. No where near the same athlete he was before the injury. Umm yeah I'm sure that was one of the things that prompted LeBron to leave. So I can't be mad at him.

KG was 32 years old in his 12th season when he was traded to Boston. He also hadn't made the playoffs in 3 seasons at that time.

So, your criticism is that Lebron didn't wait ANOTHER 5 years or until he was in his 30s to jump ship??? Would you take that kinda advice if you were working at a crappy, dead end job?

babynoz said:

Timmy84 said:

I may sound heartless but I will laugh my ass off if come playoff time 2011 the Heat are either:

1.) Not in the playoffs.

2.) Lose in the quarterfinals if they do make it.

Just saying.

Ahhh, shaddup,

However, I do agree that there was way too much hype, especially the TV special they did, They will have to eat a whole lotta of crow if they don't live up to it.

Actually that's why I'll laugh.

All that hype, it's like let the players find themselves until you throw in that "oh they're gonna be THE TEAM of 2011!"

I wish them well but it's gonna take a while like it did with Boston.

I actually laughed at how the corporates hype players up only for the players to buckle under pressure while the underdogs (sometimes) find a way to become the champions (or at least close to it). Miami is built around a hype machine. That's why I can't get fully behind what they're saying. I do wish the team well. Somebody's gotta take down the Lakers.

SCNDLS said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

KG was 32 years old in his 12th season when he was traded to Boston. He also hadn't made the playoffs in 3 seasons at that time.

So, your criticism is that Lebron didn't wait ANOTHER 5 years or until he was in his 30s to jump ship??? Would you take that kinda advice if you were working at a crappy, dead end job?

If LeBron wasn't in a win-win situation this past season, I wouldn't care (as would be the same for everyone else not carring for his "Decision")

When you come of multiple 60+ win seasons, two straight MVP awards and a Finals appearance a few years ago, why is he jumping ship?

If leBron wasn't making the playoffs and not winning, than he should leave cause he's rotting away. When he underperforms in the playoffs, gets the coach fired and than jump ship ...to play with probably the seconf best player in the NBA (LeBRon is the best in the NBA.) Come on

If KG was winning with 60+ win teams, you think he would have went to Boston?

They could've just switched coaches...or did they? I think a new coach was brought in for Cleveland during LeBron's final year...I could be wrong though. It also seems, to me, that there was already animosity between LeBron and the Cavaliers and that made his decision to leave much more.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

SCNDLS said:

So, your criticism is that Lebron didn't wait ANOTHER 5 years or until he was in his 30s to jump ship??? Would you take that kinda advice if you were working at a crappy, dead end job?

If LeBron wasn't in a win-win situation this past season, I wouldn't care (as would be the same for everyone else not carring for his "Decision")

When you come of multiple 60+ win seasons, two straight MVP awards and a Finals appearance a few years ago, why is he jumping ship?

If leBron wasn't making the playoffs and not winning, than he should leave cause he's rotting away. When he underperforms in the playoffs, gets the coach fired and than jump ship ...to play with probably the seconf best player in the NBA (LeBRon is the best in the NBA.) Come on

If KG was winning with 60+ win teams, you think he would have went to Boston?

Ummmm, there's more to this than what YOU see on the court. This isn't just about X's and O's. The venom with which the organization turned on Lebron tells me that there was a lot more going on. So, maybe despite 60+ wins he wasn't gonna let them disrespect him in ways that you nor I may ever know about. I've always said this was a lot more than what was presented on the surface. My problem is that everyone's laying blame on Lebron and he ain't really saying much. So where's the scrutiny of the organization? Don't act like they did EVERYTHING possible to get them in the position to win cuz they sure the hell di'int.

SCNDLS said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

If LeBron wasn't in a win-win situation this past season, I wouldn't care (as would be the same for everyone else not carring for his "Decision")

When you come of multiple 60+ win seasons, two straight MVP awards and a Finals appearance a few years ago, why is he jumping ship?

If leBron wasn't making the playoffs and not winning, than he should leave cause he's rotting away. When he underperforms in the playoffs, gets the coach fired and than jump ship ...to play with probably the seconf best player in the NBA (LeBRon is the best in the NBA.) Come on

If KG was winning with 60+ win teams, you think he would have went to Boston?

Ummmm, there's more to this than what YOU see on the court. This isn't just about X's and O's. The venom with which the organization turned on Lebron tells me that there was a lot more going on. So, maybe despite 60+ wins he wasn't gonna let them disrespect him in ways that you nor I may ever know about. I've always said this was a lot more than what was presented on the surface. My problem is that everyone's laying blame on Lebron and he ain't really saying much. So where's the scrutiny of the organization? Don't act like they did EVERYTHING possible to get them in the position to win cuz they sure the hell di'int.

From what I read from some articles, I heard Bron got his way in Cleveland. His friends were on the Cleveland payroll. What other player has their friends on the payroll and going everywhere with the team.

If tha's true, that's probably why Dan Gilbert was so upset in hm leaving. Dan was basically like I bent over backwards for you and not only do you leave, you don't tell me you're leavin so we can prepare and look at some other free agents to try and replace you. Dan found out when everyone n the world found out.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

SCNDLS said:

Ummmm, there's more to this than what YOU see on the court. This isn't just about X's and O's. The venom with which the organization turned on Lebron tells me that there was a lot more going on. So, maybe despite 60+ wins he wasn't gonna let them disrespect him in ways that you nor I may ever know about. I've always said this was a lot more than what was presented on the surface. My problem is that everyone's laying blame on Lebron and he ain't really saying much. So where's the scrutiny of the organization? Don't act like they did EVERYTHING possible to get them in the position to win cuz they sure the hell di'int.

From what I read from some articles, I heard Bron got his way in Cleveland. His friends were on the Cleveland payroll. What other player has their friends on the payroll and going everywhere with the team.

If tha's true, that's probably why Dan Gilbert was so upset in hm leaving. Dan was basically like I bent over backwards for you and not only do you leave, you don't tell me you're leavin so we can prepare and look at some other free agents to try and replace you. Dan found out when everyone n the world found out.

So with ALL the hype that came in the preceding 12-18 months about Lebron leaving Gilbert had ZERO idea that he could, might, possibly leave???

Baby, if you believe that I hope Santa Claus comes down your chimney and gives you everything you want for Christmas.

Aight, LBC., I'ma let you make it

Timmy84 said:

babynoz said:

Ahhh, shaddup,

However, I do agree that there was way too much hype, especially the TV special they did, They will have to eat a whole lotta of crow if they don't live up to it.

Actually that's why I'll laugh.

All that hype, it's like let the players find themselves until you throw in that "oh they're gonna be THE TEAM of 2011!"

I wish them well but it's gonna take a while like it did with Boston.

Exactly, I never bought into the idea that some magic was gonna happen overnight in spite of the hype ...chances are good that they can develop into a powerhouse team, but no guarantees.

The thing is, was Cleveland ever going to have a similar potential? I doubt it.

SCNDLS said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

From what I read from some articles, I heard Bron got his way in Cleveland. His friends were on the Cleveland payroll. What other player has their friends on the payroll and going everywhere with the team.

If tha's true, that's probably why Dan Gilbert was so upset in hm leaving. Dan was basically like I bent over backwards for you and not only do you leave, you don't tell me you're leavin so we can prepare and look at some other free agents to try and replace you. Dan found out when everyone n the world found out.

So with ALL the hype that came in the preceding 12-18 months about Lebron leaving Gilbert had ZERO idea that he could, might, possibly leave???

Baby, if you believe that I hope Santa Claus comes down your chimney and gives you everything you want for Christmas.

Aight, LBC., I'ma let you make it

LOL, I'm just looking at it from a Cleveland POV. Of course they knew it was a possibility that he would leave, but I bet the org thought he was gonna stay.

It's not like Boozer who everyone knew he was gonna leave. =

And even the people who knew LeBron was probably gonna leave, they had know idea where he was gonna end up and Miami was the last place.

babynoz said:

Timmy84 said:

Actually that's why I'll laugh.

All that hype, it's like let the players find themselves until you throw in that "oh they're gonna be THE TEAM of 2011!"

I wish them well but it's gonna take a while like it did with Boston.

Exactly, I never bought into the idea that some magic was gonna happen overnight in spite of the hype ...chances are good that they can develop into a powerhouse team, but no guarantees.

The thing is, was Cleveland ever going to have a similar potential? I doubt it.

Cleveland will never have one again I'm afraid. It was partially due to LeBron that I discovered the Cavs were still around. I thought after Jordan hit the game-winning shot in 1989 at the quarterfinal playoffs that they had been defunct lol

Timmy84 said:

babynoz said:

Exactly, I never bought into the idea that some magic was gonna happen overnight in spite of the hype ...chances are good that they can develop into a powerhouse team, but no guarantees.

The thing is, was Cleveland ever going to have a similar potential? I doubt it.

Cleveland will never have one again I'm afraid. It was partially due to LeBron that I discovered the Cavs were still around. I thought after Jordan hit the game-winning shot in 1989 at the quarterfinal playoffs that they had been defunct lol

LOL, they didi alright Brad D and Mark Price led them to a few 50 win seasons and a Easter Conference Finals appearance in 91 or 92 I belive.

SCNDLS said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Timmy84 said:

Cleveland will never have one again I'm afraid. It was partially due to LeBron that I discovered the Cavs were still around. I thought after Jordan hit the game-winning shot in 1989 at the quarterfinal playoffs that they had been defunct lol

LOL, they didi alright Brad D and Mark Price led them to a few 50 win seasons and a Easter Conference Finals appearance in 91 or 92 I belive.

I didn't pay attention to that as much as I did the Western for some reason when the Lakers went against the Trailblazers.

babynoz said:

Timmy84 said:

Actually that's why I'll laugh.

All that hype, it's like let the players find themselves until you throw in that "oh they're gonna be THE TEAM of 2011!"

I wish them well but it's gonna take a while like it did with Boston.

Exactly, I never bought into the idea that some magic was gonna happen overnight in spite of the hype ...chances are good that they can develop into a powerhouse team, but no guarantees.

The thing is, was Cleveland ever going to have a similar potential? I doubt it.

But Bosh, James, and Wade did. I think they thought they had what Boston had and what Boston did. Nope.

TD3 said:

babynoz said:

Exactly, I never bought into the idea that some magic was gonna happen overnight in spite of the hype ...chances are good that they can develop into a powerhouse team, but no guarantees.

The thing is, was Cleveland ever going to have a similar potential? I doubt it.

But Bosh, James, and Wade did. I think they thought they had what Boston had and what Boston did. Nope.

Two similar swingmen and a soft front court player don't egual a title, lol.

TD3 said:

babynoz said:

Exactly, I never bought into the idea that some magic was gonna happen overnight in spite of the hype ...chances are good that they can develop into a powerhouse team, but no guarantees.

The thing is, was Cleveland ever going to have a similar potential? I doubt it.

But Bosh, James, and Wade did. I think they thought they had what Boston had and what Boston did. Nope.

Well I certainly didn't think it would happen this season but hope springs eternal,

Cleveland, on the other hand...nope...never.

Knicks are off to their best start in ten years. Felton and Amar'e are finally getting the pick-and-roll to work.

uPtoWnNY said:

Knicks are off to their best start in ten years. Felton and Amar'e are finally getting the pick-and-roll to work.

I've been so disappointed in the Knicks lately. But I'm gonna keep hope alive for them! They are redeeming themselves.

KatSkrizzle said:

I've been so disappointed in the Knicks lately. But I'm gonna keep hope alive for them! They are redeeming themselves.

They're trying to undo ten years of damage by Scott Layden, Isiah Thomas and our idiot owner.