Shyra said:

I don't understand how a person could be prosecuted for adding "extras" to his or her own lunch. What if I happened to like dog shit on my sandwich but it didn't affect me and I could eat it like peanut butter? I take care and wrap it up carefully so it doesn't smell up the office. It's in a paper bag clearly imprinted with my name. It's on my desk, in my cubicle. Asshole steals the bag and eats my dogshit sandwich and gets sick. You mean to tell me I can be prosecuted? It's not like I made the sandwich for the theif and offered it to him knowing he would eat it. It's not like I deliberately put dog shit in his own food. I didn't even put the bag in the public fridge.

OK, another scenario. Mufuggah breaks in your house and decides to raid the fridge while he's there. You have a gallon of piss in there to take to your doctor for your 24 hour fasting blood sugar. Thief drinks it thinking it's lemonade or something. He gets caught but wants to sue you cause he drank your piss? Give me a fuggin break!

[Edited 11/25/10 13:38pm]

The key word is intent.

eleven said:

Oh, snap! I would pay admission to see that shit! Now, we'll just have to see if it cured asshole of lunch pilfering.

angel345 said:

Shyra said:

I don't understand how a person could be prosecuted for adding "extras" to his or her own lunch. What if I happened to like dog shit on my sandwich but it didn't affect me and I could eat it like peanut butter? I take care and wrap it up carefully so it doesn't smell up the office. It's in a paper bag clearly imprinted with my name. It's on my desk, in my cubicle. Asshole steals the bag and eats my dogshit sandwich and gets sick. You mean to tell me I can be prosecuted? It's not like I made the sandwich for the theif and offered it to him knowing he would eat it. It's not like I deliberately put dog shit in his own food. I didn't even put the bag in the public fridge.

OK, another scenario. Mufuggah breaks in your house and decides to raid the fridge while he's there. You have a gallon of piss in there to take to your doctor for your 24 hour fasting blood sugar. Thief drinks it thinking it's lemonade or something. He gets caught but wants to sue you cause he drank your piss? Give me a fuggin break!

[Edited 11/25/10 13:38pm]

The key word is intent.

Okay. So I could say it was MY intent to eat my own damn dog shit sammich! Hell, I could be Devine reincarnated, y'all!

Shyra said:

angel345 said:

The key word is intent.

Okay. So I could say it was MY intent to eat my own damn dog shit sammich! Hell, I could be Devine reincarnated, y'all!

With my old job situation, it was their intention to cause this man to have the runs. It was notorious and reported that someone was taking people's lunches befor it happened. It was revenge and spite when he was set up. Ex-Lax, for an example is an over the counter drug. As I saide before, it is like putting a mickey (Spanish Fly) in someone's drink. Though this man is grimey, he could have gotten a serious reaction to it, aside from the runs. Also, remember the Dominos incident when three employees got arrested for food tampering? Allow me to show you a piece of the NYC Penal Code 120 on Assault, paragraph 5:

S 120.05 Assault in the second degree.
A person is guilty of assault in the second degree when:
1. With intent to cause serious physical injury to another person, he
causes such injury to such person or to a third person; or
2. With intent to cause physical injury to another person, he causes
such injury to such person or to a third person by means of a deadly
weapon or a dangerous instrument; or
3. With intent to prevent a peace officer, police officer, a fireman,
including a fireman acting as a paramedic or emergency medical
technician administering first aid in the course of performance of duty
as such fireman, an emergency medical service paramedic or emergency
medical service technician, or medical or related personnel in a
hospital emergency department, from performing a lawful duty, by means
including releasing or failing to control an animal under circumstances
evincing the actor`s intent that the animal obstruct the lawful activity
of such peace officer, police officer, fireman, paramedic or technician,
he causes physical injury to such peace officer, police officer,
fireman, paramedic, technician or medical or related personnel in a
hospital emergency department; or
4. He recklessly causes serious physical injury to another person by
means of a deadly weapon or a dangerous instrument; or
5. For a purpose other than lawful medical or therapeutic treatment,
he intentionally causes stupor, unconsciousness or other physical
impairment or injury to another person by administering to him, without
his consent, a drug, substance or preparation capable of producing the
same;

I understand the wording of the law, but there seems to be a gray area here. Damn, maybe I should have been an attorney!

OK. How about this? I fix a tuna fish sandwich made with plenty of mayonaise. I leave it out of the fridge on PURPOSE knowing asshole likes my tuna. It's a HOT summer day and the air conditioning is on the fritz. Let's say around 2:00 PM I take a break to eat my lunch. My bag of tuna fish sandwiches has been in my desk drawer fermenting in the heat since 7:00 AM. I take out the bag, put it on my desk and walk out to go wash my hands. I come back and my bag is gone. Next day we hear asshole had been transported to the hospital overnight because of severe food poisoning. He admitted to eating my spoiled tuna fish sandwich and that was the cause of his illness.

How could it be proven that I intended to make him sick? I could say that I forgot to put the bag in the fridge, but I hadn't even opened the bag to check if the food was still fresh because it was stolen before I could do that. Could I still be prosecuted?

angel345 said:

Shyra said:

Okay. So I could say it was MY intent to eat my own damn dog shit sammich! Hell, I could be Devine reincarnated, y'all!

With my old job situation, it was their intention to cause this man to have the runs. It was notorious and reported that someone was taking people's lunches befor it happened. It was revenge and spite when he was set up. Ex-Lax, for an example is an over the counter drug. As I saide before, it is like putting a mickey (Spanish Fly) in someone's drink. Though this man is grimey, he could have gotten a serious reaction to it, aside from the runs. Also, remember the Dominos incident when three employees got arrested for food tampering? Allow me to show you a piece of the NYC Penal Code 120 on Assault, paragraph 5:

S 120.05 Assault in the second degree.
A person is guilty of assault in the second degree when:
1. With intent to cause serious physical injury to another person, he
causes such injury to such person or to a third person; or
2. With intent to cause physical injury to another person, he causes
such injury to such person or to a third person by means of a deadly
weapon or a dangerous instrument; or
3. With intent to prevent a peace officer, police officer, a fireman,
including a fireman acting as a paramedic or emergency medical
technician administering first aid in the course of performance of duty
as such fireman, an emergency medical service paramedic or emergency
medical service technician, or medical or related personnel in a
hospital emergency department, from performing a lawful duty, by means
including releasing or failing to control an animal under circumstances
evincing the actor`s intent that the animal obstruct the lawful activity
of such peace officer, police officer, fireman, paramedic or technician,
he causes physical injury to such peace officer, police officer,
fireman, paramedic, technician or medical or related personnel in a
hospital emergency department; or
4. He recklessly causes serious physical injury to another person by
means of a deadly weapon or a dangerous instrument; or
5. For a purpose other than lawful medical or therapeutic treatment,
he intentionally causes stupor, unconsciousness or other physical
impairment or injury to another person by administering to him, without
his consent, a drug, substance or preparation capable of producing the
same;

getting the runs does not equal to any of the things stated there

[Edited 11/26/10 22:02pm]

Dewrede said:

getting the runs does not equal to any of the things stated there

[Edited 11/26/10 22:02pm]

That's what I thought, but I guess it could be argued as "physical harm."

^

nah merely 'discomfort' i'd say

Shyra said:

I understand the wording of the law, but there seems to be a gray area here. Damn, maybe I should have been an attorney!

OK. How about this? I fix a tuna fish sandwich made with plenty of mayonaise. I leave it out of the fridge on PURPOSE knowing asshole likes my tuna. It's a HOT summer day and the air conditioning is on the fritz. Let's say around 2:00 PM I take a break to eat my lunch. My bag of tuna fish sandwiches has been in my desk drawer fermenting in the heat since 7:00 AM. I take out the bag, put it on my desk and walk out to go wash my hands. I come back and my bag is gone. Next day we hear asshole had been transported to the hospital overnight because of severe food poisoning. He admitted to eating my spoiled tuna fish sandwich and that was the cause of his illness.

How could it be proven that I intended to make him sick? I could say that I forgot to put the bag in the fridge, but I hadn't even opened the bag to check if the food was still fresh because it was stolen before I could do that. Could I still be prosecuted?

The person would have to prove intent or neglect on your part, considering he/she didn't get sick before when they ate your sandwich, making you suspect. I suggest if you do not want to be put in a situation whereas you are investigated, toss the sandwich away. I am not a practicing attorney. I used to work in law enforcement, and also process court papers.

Dewrede said:

angel345 said:

With my old job situation, it was their intention to cause this man to have the runs. It was notorious and reported that someone was taking people's lunches befor it happened. It was revenge and spite when he was set up. Ex-Lax, for an example is an over the counter drug. As I saide before, it is like putting a mickey (Spanish Fly) in someone's drink. Though this man is grimey, he could have gotten a serious reaction to it, aside from the runs. Also, remember the Dominos incident when three employees got arrested for food tampering? Allow me to show you a piece of the NYC Penal Code 120 on Assault, paragraph 5:

S 120.05 Assault in the second degree.
A person is guilty of assault in the second degree when:
1. With intent to cause serious physical injury to another person, he
causes such injury to such person or to a third person; or
2. With intent to cause physical injury to another person, he causes
such injury to such person or to a third person by means of a deadly
weapon or a dangerous instrument; or
3. With intent to prevent a peace officer, police officer, a fireman,
including a fireman acting as a paramedic or emergency medical
technician administering first aid in the course of performance of duty
as such fireman, an emergency medical service paramedic or emergency
medical service technician, or medical or related personnel in a
hospital emergency department, from performing a lawful duty, by means
including releasing or failing to control an animal under circumstances
evincing the actor`s intent that the animal obstruct the lawful activity
of such peace officer, police officer, fireman, paramedic or technician,
he causes physical injury to such peace officer, police officer,
fireman, paramedic, technician or medical or related personnel in a
hospital emergency department; or
4. He recklessly causes serious physical injury to another person by
means of a deadly weapon or a dangerous instrument; or
5. For a purpose other than lawful medical or therapeutic treatment,
he intentionally causes stupor, unconsciousness or other physical
impairment or injury to another person by administering to him, without
his consent, a drug, substance or preparation capable of producing the
same;

getting the runs does not equal to any of the things stated there

[Edited 11/26/10 22:02pm]

You're still taking a risk because many laxatives have drugs in it.

angel345 said:

Shyra said:

I understand the wording of the law, but there seems to be a gray area here. Damn, maybe I should have been an attorney!

OK. How about this? I fix a tuna fish sandwich made with plenty of mayonaise. I leave it out of the fridge on PURPOSE knowing asshole likes my tuna. It's a HOT summer day and the air conditioning is on the fritz. Let's say around 2:00 PM I take a break to eat my lunch. My bag of tuna fish sandwiches has been in my desk drawer fermenting in the heat since 7:00 AM. I take out the bag, put it on my desk and walk out to go wash my hands. I come back and my bag is gone. Next day we hear asshole had been transported to the hospital overnight because of severe food poisoning. He admitted to eating my spoiled tuna fish sandwich and that was the cause of his illness.

How could it be proven that I intended to make him sick? I could say that I forgot to put the bag in the fridge, but I hadn't even opened the bag to check if the food was still fresh because it was stolen before I could do that. Could I still be prosecuted?

The person would have to prove intent or neglect on your part, considering he/she didn't get sick before when they ate your sandwich, making you suspect. I suggest if you do not want to be put in a situation whereas you are investigated, toss the sandwich away. I am not a practicing attorney. I used to work in law enforcement, and also process court papers.

To add, if this information is not sufficient, speak to a police officer or attorney in your area, and ask them.

Of course, all of these are hypotheticals I posted. I haven't had the problem of lunch theft. I'm just surprised that the law seems to be in favor of the thief here. I was discussing this with my brother and he was telling me that if someone boobytraps his own house to capture a thief and the theif gets injured in the process of breaking into the house, the homeowner could be prosecuted. Such bullshit!

Shyra said:

Oh, snap! I would pay admission to see that shit! Now, we'll just have to see if it cured asshole of lunch pilfering.

Asshole of lunch pilfering

CURED

Plastic cockroaches r awesome

Dewrede said:

^

nah merely 'discomfort' i'd say

actually, no. some guy was recently charged for tampering with the office coffee. if i recall, he peed in it

Cerebus said:

Without asking he eats your food? If so, you don't need to be safe about anything. Tell him to stop or you'll fire him, because that's stealing.

Yes...but we are a small company and everyone gets on so well, and i don't want to spoil that

plus he is good at his job

so i just scared him a little...and it was so funny...and everone had a good laugh about it, even him

and yes he has learnt his lesson...well so he says

eleven said:

Cerebus said:

Without asking he eats your food? If so, you don't need to be safe about anything. Tell him to stop or you'll fire him, because that's stealing.

Yes...but we are a small company and everyone gets on so well, and i don't want to spoil that

plus he is good at his job

so i just scared him a little...and it was so funny...and everone had a good laugh about it, even him

and yes he has learnt his lesson...well so he says

Bet! I betcha he'll go back to his old ways when he thinks things have died down, and he figures you won't get pissed at him again.

eleven said:

I don't mind sharing

and at work we are family

BUT

there is this one guy who is eating every ones food

today when i was sorting out his mess he went into my office and ate my lunch

Tomorrow i am going to have a hot chili sandwich

What's wrong with people.....they have no shame

Someone at my job got fired for that. Our company went through the trouble of installing a camera in the breakroom to catch her. She ate one too many lunches that didn't belong to her and the next day security was at her desk escorting her out of the building. It was the most melodramatic thing I've seen in quite some time.

purpledoveuk said:

Trouble is even if you mess with your own food and he steals it....you;; probbaly be open to prosecution if he shits his pants or burns his mouth

I think you could only be prosecuted if you offered it.

That could be seen as malicious.

IF he eats it of his own volition, that a risk he is assuming by eating someone else's lunch.

angel345 said:

NDRU said:

for putting laxatives in your own food?

They've planned it. Some people with health and heart problems cannot take certain laxatives. Also, it's like someone putting a mickey in your drink. That's assault, too. The situation should have been dealt with another way, even though it's nerve wrecking to have someone eat your food.

[Edited 11/24/10 16:17pm]

But if you are eating food without knowing what is in it, that the risk you are assuming.

Someone's lunch in a fridge is not the same as a public eating establishment.

Without enticement or inducement (and if there are other lunches in the fridge, it's neither) then that's on you.

It's like an armed bank robber suing a cop for shooting him.

Shyra said:

I don't understand how a person could be prosecuted for adding "extras" to his or her own lunch. What if I happened to like dog shit on my sandwich but it didn't affect me and I could eat it like peanut butter? I take care and wrap it up carefully so it doesn't smell up the office. It's in a paper bag clearly imprinted with my name. It's on my desk, in my cubicle. Asshole steals the bag and eats my dogshit sandwich and gets sick. You mean to tell me I can be prosecuted? It's not like I made the sandwich for the theif and offered it to him knowing he would eat it. It's not like I deliberately put dog shit in his own food. I didn't even put the bag in the public fridge.

OK, another scenario. Mufuggah breaks in your house and decides to raid the fridge while he's there. You have a gallon of piss in there to take to your doctor for your 24 hour fasting blood sugar. Thief drinks it thinking it's lemonade or something. He gets caught but wants to sue you cause he drank your piss? Give me a fuggin break!

[Edited 11/25/10 13:38pm]

Co-sign

angel345 said:

Shyra said:

I understand the wording of the law, but there seems to be a gray area here. Damn, maybe I should have been an attorney!

OK. How about this? I fix a tuna fish sandwich made with plenty of mayonaise. I leave it out of the fridge on PURPOSE knowing asshole likes my tuna. It's a HOT summer day and the air conditioning is on the fritz. Let's say around 2:00 PM I take a break to eat my lunch. My bag of tuna fish sandwiches has been in my desk drawer fermenting in the heat since 7:00 AM. I take out the bag, put it on my desk and walk out to go wash my hands. I come back and my bag is gone. Next day we hear asshole had been transported to the hospital overnight because of severe food poisoning. He admitted to eating my spoiled tuna fish sandwich and that was the cause of his illness.

How could it be proven that I intended to make him sick? I could say that I forgot to put the bag in the fridge, but I hadn't even opened the bag to check if the food was still fresh because it was stolen before I could do that. Could I still be prosecuted?

The person would have to prove intent or neglect on your part, considering he/she didn't get sick before when they ate your sandwich, making you suspect. I suggest if you do not want to be put in a situation whereas you are investigated, toss the sandwich away. I am not a practicing attorney. I used to work in law enforcement, and also process court papers.

Which they cannot do.

My lunch, nor by custom or habit is anyone's lunch held out to be acceptable to any and all who may come across and choose to indulge.

I do not have to consider if someone is or isn't allergic to a food when preparing my lunch (although having advance knowledge may obligate precautions.)

There is no duty or obligation to make my lunch edible for any and all who may choose to steal it.

IF you steal it, you've assumed a level of risk. Enjoy.

SUPRMAN said:

angel345 said:

The person would have to prove intent or neglect on your part, considering he/she didn't get sick before when they ate your sandwich, making you suspect. I suggest if you do not want to be put in a situation whereas you are investigated, toss the sandwich away. I am not a practicing attorney. I used to work in law enforcement, and also process court papers.

Which they cannot do.

My lunch, nor by custom or habit is anyone's lunch held out to be acceptable to any and all who may come across and choose to indulge.

I do not have to consider if someone is or isn't allergic to a food when preparing my lunch (although having advance knowledge may obligate precautions.)

There is no duty or obligation to make my lunch edible for any and all who may choose to steal it.

IF you steal it, you've assumed a level of risk. Enjoy.

As I explained, they've planned it, and the company took it seriously. They company told everyone the consequences if someone tried it again. Explain why? Therefore, you are taking a risk for being so spiteful.

angel345 said:

SUPRMAN said:

Which they cannot do.

My lunch, nor by custom or habit is anyone's lunch held out to be acceptable to any and all who may come across and choose to indulge.

I do not have to consider if someone is or isn't allergic to a food when preparing my lunch (although having advance knowledge may obligate precautions.)

There is no duty or obligation to make my lunch edible for any and all who may choose to steal it.

IF you steal it, you've assumed a level of risk. Enjoy.

As I explained, they've planned it, and the company took it seriously. They company told everyone the consequences if someone tried it again. Explain why? Therefore, you are taking a risk for being so spiteful.

Oh, law enforcement brass took it seriously, it's not a company.

SUPRMAN said:

angel345 said:

The person would have to prove intent or neglect on your part, considering he/she didn't get sick before when they ate your sandwich, making you suspect. I suggest if you do not want to be put in a situation whereas you are investigated, toss the sandwich away. I am not a practicing attorney. I used to work in law enforcement, and also process court papers.

Which they cannot do.

My lunch, nor by custom or habit is anyone's lunch held out to be acceptable to any and all who may come across and choose to indulge.

I do not have to consider if someone is or isn't allergic to a food when preparing my lunch (although having advance knowledge may obligate precautions.)

There is no duty or obligation to make my lunch edible for any and all who may choose to steal it.

IF you steal it, you've assumed a level of risk. Enjoy.

And that's what investigations are for.

angel345 said:

SUPRMAN said:

Which they cannot do.

My lunch, nor by custom or habit is anyone's lunch held out to be acceptable to any and all who may come across and choose to indulge.

I do not have to consider if someone is or isn't allergic to a food when preparing my lunch (although having advance knowledge may obligate precautions.)

There is no duty or obligation to make my lunch edible for any and all who may choose to steal it.

IF you steal it, you've assumed a level of risk. Enjoy.

As I explained, they've planned it, and the company took it seriously. They company told everyone the consequences if someone tried it again. Explain why? Therefore, you are taking a risk for being so spiteful.

[Edited 11/30/10 13:09pm]

SUPR, we're here! I guess unless the company takes steps to catch the theif, everyone will just have to tolerate it in fear of being arrested for spitefulness.

Before I came to work in my present office, my manager told me about a girl who used to work in the office who was a theif. The manager would bring in about a dozen of those frozen dinners to have on hand for quick lunches when going out was not an option. She noticed that they were disappearing as quickly as she put them in the freezer. One day she noticed the girl leaving the buildiing with a big envelpe. She stopped her and demanded to see what was in the envelope. The girl refused and went back into the building but to another office. Security was called and they searched the office where she had run to and found the frozen dinners hidden in a drawer! It was later found out that the girl was a heroin addict and her boyfriend was telling her to steal all she could so they could sell the stuff! Of course the girl was fired.

[Edited 11/30/10 13:21pm]

Shyra said:

SUPR, we're here! I guess unless the company takes steps to catch the theif, everyone will just have to tolerate it in fear of being arrested for spitefulness.

Before I came to work in my present office, my manager told me about a girl who used to work in the office who was a theif. The manager would bring in about a dozen of those frozen dinners to have on hand for quick lunches when going out was not an option. She noticed that they were disappearing as quickly as she put them in the freezer. One day she noticed the girl leaving the buildiing with a big envelpe. She stopped her and demanded to see what was in the envelope. The girl refused and went back into the building but to another office. Security was called and they searched the office where she had run to and found the frozen dinners hidden in a drawer! It was later found out that the girl was a heroin addict and her boyfriend was telling her to steal all she could so they could sell the stuff! Of course the girl was fired.

[Edited 11/30/10 13:21pm]

You don't have to sit and tolerate it. Tell, your overheads and let them deal with it. Get a lock. You take precautions. Heck, buy them lunch as some here suggested. Be spiteful by putting drugs and foreign things in the food, and see where it gets you. I'm done, and thank you.

[Edited 12/1/10 10:56am]

Shyra said:

SUPR, we're here! I guess unless the company takes steps to catch the theif, everyone will just have to tolerate it in fear of being arrested for spitefulness.

Before I came to work in my present office, my manager told me about a girl who used to work in the office who was a theif. The manager would bring in about a dozen of those frozen dinners to have on hand for quick lunches when going out was not an option. She noticed that they were disappearing as quickly as she put them in the freezer. One day she noticed the girl leaving the buildiing with a big envelpe. She stopped her and demanded to see what was in the envelope. The girl refused and went back into the building but to another office. Security was called and they searched the office where she had run to and found the frozen dinners hidden in a drawer! It was later found out that the girl was a heroin addict and her boyfriend was telling her to steal all she could so they could sell the stuff! Of course the girl was fired.

[Edited 11/30/10 13:21pm]

So if you act, nothing will happen to the thieves, but you'll be arrested for being spiteful. Amazing.

The terrorists have won.